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107 The Bee: Control room uncertainty

According to a later piece by the Bee it has been refused!

What is Plan B?

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:( Don't think there is a plan B,unless it can be incorperated with in the new stand,or like it says build a new one.But its down to the same thing money or lack of :(

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Move it to the other corner of the Coppice End where the old bogs are?

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Who has denied it? What's the authority in charge?

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Hyndburn Council

107 The Bee: Councillors deny they have it in for Stanley

If this leads to the club being chucked out of the league, I hope the council feel proud of themselves. :mad:

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There's no sense in this. :(

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On the Bee it said

If the club is in breach of the agreement what did they expect?

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Whats wrong with this bloody hyndburn council,don't they want a football league club in accrington.If accy got thrown out of the league or god forbid ceased to exist what would we do for our football fix.Go down the road to watch the scum rovers,perish the thought,sorry for being pessimistic it's my over active imagination working overtime lol.


ACCY TILL I DIE...:bingobang:signbeer::drink::wave8:

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The last time this was discussed on here 18 months ago, the article in the local press said
If the council continue to allow the club to get away with it then others will complain about favouritism

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Everyone knows the club have no money. They already have to install 1000 extra seats which are completely unnecessary, thanks to the stupidity of the football league. Now the council have hit the club when they're down with this latest piece of idiocy. I assume that, despite all the fulsome praise from Britcliffe and co, when Stanley gained their historic promotion, the council don't actually want a football league club in the town?

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They should be proud to have a football league club in Accrington but no it always seems Hyndburn Council always have a grudge against us. They should be helping a hell lot more then they do!

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What would it cost to build???? just bin doing my own calulations,materials alone at least 3500pounds min.then lab on top, 10k job done,there must be Brickys leckeys and roofers and joiners on the forum who would offer there services at a knock down rate:) just a thought;)

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Is the planning permission for the permanent one to be built in the same place ? Is it the structure itself they object to or it's position ?

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What would be wrong with a mobile control centre..only used on matchdays?....they do it if somebody gets topped, no planning needed.
Or is that too complicated?

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I beleive the club have to supply a fixed control room, it's not a police function. I think it's the responsiility of the H&S officer to maintain control inside the ground to adhere to the safety certificate. From what I've seen police on duty at a Stanley match are few and far between

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May I be the first to offer any Joinery services..... FAO Eric, Rob & the board!!!:) Free in my spare time BTW

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:)good on ya WM :)

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From the Lanc/Telegraph.Click on the link..Accrington Stanley row could lead to loss of League place

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I'll offer labour (free) and whatever tools and materials I can (best discounts available)


but I don't blame HBC at all as we have had two years with which to get this sorted. Last year there was a kerfuffle because we wanted a years extension and they almost didn't get it - so the warning was there.

I blame the residents

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Can you actually see the control room that well from Livingstone Rd ? It's set back quite a way. Presumably councillor pritchard will also be going on a one man crusade for the next 200 years to rid the town of it's other eyesores ?

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When the club ignore planning requirements maybe the question should be - Do the club want to stay in the league?

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:) Neil shouldn't the question be does Hyndburn want a football league team?.more bum's on seats or more fans in the standing area would help :)

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the residents knew when they moved into them houses that thier is a football pitch behind them so what were they expecting, they proberly dont want it becuase it blocks thier view of the pitch the freeloaders, you see them on the estate behind the cowshed watching from thier houses, thats why they refused the cow shed planning in the past

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I was actually being sarcastic blaming the residents, sorry.

but if all that was required was to paint the damn thing and screen it off then Neil's question whether we want to be a league team is perfectly fair. If that ends up costing us anything at all then questions need to be asked.

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No it should not. The question should be did the club think it could ignore the planning conditions put upon it and they would disappear?

Thank you, that's the point I was trying to make. If a lick of paint would have kept the planning officers happy then was it not worth it?

We must remember that planning officers have to follow national rules and regulation's and not just Hyndburn ones. I read that it was a close call last year. That should have been a strong message to the club.

I would not want to see anything bad happen to the club personally but you can't blame the Council for enforcing planning requirements.

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I didn't realise the houses were built that recently ?

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People are getting a bit confused.. not helped when the telegraph show a picture of the TV gantry over the cow shed as the control room.

But saying that.. arn't you all getting a bit ahead of yourselves.. do you really think the club wont sort a poxy little thing like this out in time.. do you really think they would let us be kicked out of the league... have faith they will sort it... deep down you know they will :)

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A good post, Neil. I agree with what you've said.

I'm no football fan but I wouldn't wish anything bad to happen to the club either.

However, the planning dept cannot go around making exceptions willy nilly or where would it all end?

They have to be seen to be being fair and abiding by the rules for all.

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find which polticial party the councillors in question represent.
Go to their nearest opposition and put out a petition.
As soon as they fear they could lose office and their 10 grand a year tax free spare time job, they will soon change their mind.

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they have more to worry about than a thousand or so Stanley fans. If they backed down (again) on this then surely that gives the residents of Hyndburn a license to build whatever they want regardless of planning law?

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It has nothing to do with Councillors. The planning officers are employed by the Council to do their job. If the Councillors over ruled them, which they do, and upset resident could appeal and if there appeal was right then the club would loose.

Councillors often over rule the planners only to loose out on appeal.

There is a good program on the TV about planners and what powers they have on the TV at the moment. It showed a case where Councillors went againts the advice of the planning committee - they Councillors lost at appeal.

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If the Council had upheld the application no one would/could have appealed.

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Agree with you completly more concerned about there own well-beings:confused:

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Your correct on the Police point, this is because most of Accy's match's are low key affairs as regards Policing. The only time there is a bigger police presence is when there is a team who are known to have a bunch of idiots that support them (we know who they are, don't we!) Certain teams even bring their local force with them as spotters to advise local officers who the numpties are. The only point about the control room is that it must have 360 degree views of the ground plus certain cameras looking around the outsid. This we have now, but if it has to be moved, it is not just the building of it, but also the moving of all the optical cabling and tannoy and phone cabling, not a big job for someone in the know. Hopefully, the club will have this sorted for next season or otherwise we could have bigger problems, because I am sure you need this for Blue Square Conference or Football League, wherever we end up next season.

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:eek:[Quote] Hopefully, the club will have this sorted for next season or otherwise we could have bigger problems, because I am sure you need this for Blue Square Conference or Football League, wherever we end up next season.[unquote] :( thats cheered me up Outback Ozzy no end :rolleyes::):D

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We will be in the football league of course, i'm quite happy to offer my help with a paintbrush or whatever,i'm always glad to help the stanley out if needed!

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Dont forget the stand we have to have! Lots of things to be done at the FES!

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To be fair, it's subject to tax and National Insurance Contributions, just like any other job. And, apart from the leader and a few of the committee chairmen, I think you'll find the allowance is significantly less than £10,000; probably less than half.

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Mike - that is simply not ture.

There is no tax on it as it is seen as 'expenses'.
The lowest 'paid' councillors in the country are on 9 grand

a vice chairmen or full chairman of a council is looking at 14-16k

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Now that's the real spirit of Stanley...a lad from Cleethorpes offering to come over and help out. What a pity some who live a great deal nearer the club don't have just a little bit of that spirit.

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And what is wrong with that? Many are very hard working.

Not everyone has that sort of time on there hands. As you know going to away matches can be a day of a thing. For many that leaves just one day to be with their families.

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Quite right, Neil. As a family man with children (and grandchildren!), nobody knows that better than me. However, I was just contrasting the attitude of Kev, who is willing to travel over a hundred miles to help out the club he loves, with some locals who seem to want to obstruct the club at every turn.

I could also go on at length about locals who seem to have plenty of time on their hands to sit in pubs watching Premier League TV on a Saturday afternoon, instead of getting themselves up to FES, but that is a well-ploughed furrow, so I'll just mention it in passing.

By the way, Neil, if the call does go out for painters, I'll be expecting you to turn up, brush in hand (and never mind about all this "I'm not interested in football" stuff!). ;)

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Sorry mate I would love to help but I have 7000 daff and about 2000 crocus bulbs to plant in the park :eek::D

What are you like at bulb planting, I have a couple of excellent tools for the job.

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I've corrected the size of the if for you Mr H :)

Doesn't a call go out every close season for help, I seem to recall Macca asking last close season, how come this job wasn't on the list given it's importance ?

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Sorry, Dave, but I'm familiar with the legislation on this. For obvious reasons, the rules are very strict. Take a look at Tax treatment of Local Government Councillors and civic dignitaries: allowances Councillors may receive for the tax position.

You'll also find that it is the leader, rather than the chairman, who generally attracts the largest allowance. Hyndburn's scheme is at http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...sScheme_1_.pdf, where you'll see that the basic allowance for a councillor is £4338. Expenses are paid but are only tax free if they represent specific expenditure on council business.

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You wouldn't want me anywhere near your bulbs, Neil. I am to plants what Herod was to babies.

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Gotta agree with neil here the club have had plenty of time to rectify this and yet again haven't bothered.

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Nice one KP

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Good point, Dave, but I'm a bit confused by all this...have the club got to completely re-build the control room, or will a coat of paint and a covered walkway make it "permanent"? :confused:

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Unfortunatley the story so far is one sided and media reported. Maybe the club might make a statement ?

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They appear to be very poor at doing that, if they did we would not have these threads.

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not a good idea, if eric does it.:rolleyes:

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A bit cryptic !, but I couldn't agree more Cowboy !.
Maybe there is a time when it's best say nowt !.

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Actually the most sensible post of the thread by UK Cowboy :)

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Maybe this is a pic of the secret invisible control room that we won't need planning permission for :rolleyes:

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Whilst I'd agree that all this is probably the media blowing this all out of proportion,as we're now into November and there's been nothing offered by the club as to an explanation of just HOW and WHEN the club is going to sort out the issues ( i.e Control room and the additional Football League requirements as in the extra seating / Whinney Hill terrace ) Maybe it would put a few minds at rest if the club DID ACTUALLY issue a statement as to HOW and WHEN the club will resolve these issues??

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eric whalley says in LT today
we've got the stand on the far side of the ground going up by the end of may, although we've been refused dispensation from the league on that. we've got to put in 1,000 seats even though we've no bums to sit them on it's ludicrous..

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It may be ludicrous, but we knew what had to be done when we entered the Football League. We have known what we have to do for the last two years so why don't we stop moaning about it.

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if its not in by may we are out and some lucky team will come back up and thats all:egged:just waiting to see if we beat the drop maybe

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According to Rob Heys

Theres more about the control room... I wonder how many people in this thread are feeling pretty stupid right now?

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:)from fishy site:)http://www.accringtonstanley.co.uk/gfx/news/line.gif
Extra seating and control room
http://www.accringtonstanley.co.uk/g...%20picture.jpgAccrington Stanley would like to reassure supporters that planning is well underway to ensure that the Fraser Eagle Stadium will meet the requirements of the Football League for next season.

Chief Executive Robert Heys explained "Firstly we need to install a further 882 seats to make sure that we satisfy the Football League's criteria of 2,000 covered seats by 1st May, 2009. It is a little frustrating that we have to spend a considerable sum of money to do this while we have spare capacity in our existing seating areas, however we accept that we knew the rules when we joined the league two years ago and we will ensure that we comply with the regulations.

"The cost of the project is expected to run into six figures, and although we believe the money that could be better spent elsewhere improving the supporter experience at the stadium there are still some positives, most notably it will enable us to generate more money from sales of tickets to visiting supporters next season.

"With regards to the stadium control room we will shortly begin working with the Hyndburn Borough Council to find a solution acceptable to all concerned. We currently have a great relationship with the local authority, one which promises to bring rewards for both ourselves and the council over the coming months and years, and although some of the media and even the odd councillor disappointingly seemed to want to turn it into a club versus council issue this couldn't be further from the truth.

"The council told us in advance that the planning application would be refused, and we appreciate that they have allowed us until the end of the season to find a solution to the issue. We don't expect any special treatment and we will comply with planning regulations just as any other business in the borough has to.

"Looking ahead this is a very exciting time for Accrington Stanley as we develop our relationship with Hyndburn Borough Council. We have a number of very interesting projects in development that will see us working closely together for the benefit of the club, the council and the people of Hyndburn."

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Guilty as charged. I broke my golden rule about never believing anything the press says. How as Rob says, a couple of councillors could have been somewhat more helpful.

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A professional statement from the club. Good news.

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Just goes to show how times have changed,pity the residents didn't complain years ago when Acrington Nori was there,perhaps they could have had the chimneys pulled down!!!! or perhaps they weren't an eyesore.

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Is the press wrong or is the club covering its backside?

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At Tinsley in Sheffield they campaigned to keep the Chimneys up.

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Maybe they just didn't want a free sample delivered through the window :D

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Yes its good news in one respect, but how long have they kept us waiting?