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Haggis316 29-11-2008 15:11
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caretaker 29-11-2008 16:25
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I thought we deserved a point today,but missed chances in the first half proved costly.
Mr. Colman will will no doubt have had a good view from the stands again

SamF 29-11-2008 17:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 655894)
I thought we deserved a point today,but missed chances in the first half proved costly.
Mr. Colman will will no doubt have had a good view from the stands again
Are you seriously suggesting it was right he was sent to the stands ?

The linesman and referee were the worst I have ever EVER seen. Their first goal was offside by a country mile. They're keeper came flying out of his area, elbowed the striker and absolutely nothing happened - apart from the referee turning around and sending coley to the stands for being rightfully enraged by the decision. Keeper should been have sent off for the elbow or for the foul on the last man, the ball was nowhere near he simply took out the striker AND NOTHING HAPPENED. Then, when Sodje was the last man, took down player in the area he only got a yellow ? What rule book does this ref follow ?

Bury were not that dirty a side to be honest but they had to fouls on the last man and that is 2 red cards plain and simple.

Stanley gave a bloody good account of themselves against 13 men today.

cashman 29-11-2008 17:47
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i too thought stanley gave a good account of themselves today, nevertheless if ya don't take yer chances ya pay the price. the first penalty was a definate red that never came, the second could not see fer the bloody fog, seems strange to me 2 games were abandonded today through fog, yet these clowns allowed this match to continue, when good long vision was badly impaired.:mad: who said all the "CLOWNS" are in the circus.:rolleyes:

lancsdave 29-11-2008 17:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SamF (Post 655910)
What rule book does this ref follow ?

Steve Coppell was complaining yesterday that Premiership referees should stay in their own league because they hadn't a clue what to do when they are faced with 'proper' football. Have to say the worst refs on the Turf this season have been the premiership ones.

cashman 29-11-2008 17:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 655919)
Steve Coppell was complaining yesterday that Premiership referees should stay in their own league because they hadn't a clue what to do when they are faced with 'proper' football. Have to say the worst refs on the Turf this season have been the premiership ones.
on that basis probably the best thing would be non-league refs fer premierships n other leagues, gotta be n improvement on some of the crap ive seen.:rolleyes: today being a definate.

Tin Monkey 29-11-2008 18:46
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When the fog was at its worst today and you couldn't see much on the Clayton End, two of my mates went and stood on the side. When it cleared a bit they came back and said that that the view was fine from pitch level. I don't think that game was ever in danger of being called off.

I'm just surprised that nobody has mentioned the new seating arrangements yet.

MCR ADIM 29-11-2008 19:03
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didnt buy a programme so dont know about it, what are the arrangements going to be! we should of scored first when he hit it high and wide over but that wasnt his fault hean hasnt really played most game this season! we should of score that penalty! trust bury to go 4 games without socreing beofre comeing to us! jimmy deserved to get mom thought he played very well! wounder why liam got taken off at half-time! coley should not of got sent to the stands, but then again he shouldnt of ran down the line and whacked the ball no doubt he will get a touch line ban for that! well played to lads today we shold of got at least of point out of it we need gornell back we did miss him upfront today clarke should of started imo

Wynonie Harris 29-11-2008 21:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 655943)
I'm just surprised that nobody has mentioned the new seating arrangements yet.
Well, I for one, am not happy about the plans for the new seats. 300 along the Whinney Hill side in the existing stand and 600 in the lower section of the Clayton End. So now we'll all be squashed like sardines in the upper section with rows of empty seats below us. I reckon it'll spoil the atmosphere on the Clayton End. Why couldn't they put them in the Coppice End and have an open, seated away section like Stockport? :mad:

MCR ADIM 29-11-2008 22:06
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600 in the lower section of the clayton end! thats rubbsih will spoil the atmosphere of the clayton end as it will look stupid people sitting than us standing behind them! why couldnt they all be put on the coppice end or the cow shed end! how will it work with the gate fee on the clayton end will you have to pay more if you want to sit down but what if you pay to stand up than sit down for the game!

lancsdave 29-11-2008 22:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 656006)
Why couldn't they put them in the Coppice End and have an open, seated away section like Stockport? :mad:
Presumably because it would have reduced the capacity in that end ?

Wynonie Harris 29-11-2008 22:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 656014)
Presumably because it would have reduced the capacity in that end ?
Probably, but they're just going to be reducing the capacity in the Clayton End instead. Also, according to the programme, "the addition of seating and crowd crush barriers in the Whinney Hill terrace will actually increase the area's capacity." So it seems to me, it's as broad as it's as long.

pud 29-11-2008 23:00
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I have to say as a Bury fan i am not sure you can say that the ref was biased as you got two pens today! the first on was a definite pen and futcher was last man not sodje! therefore correct decision yellow card as for the second i don't know still now why it was given and i was behind the goal watching the whole thing. Bury should have had a goal before we actually scored but the linesman! sorry assistant flagged wrongly for offside! the first goal couldn't have been offside as bishop played the ball back from the line therefore you can't be offside.

Stanley came in to it in the second half but we went defensive to kill the game and we did what we had too

You cant really complain if a ref gives you two pens and you still dont get anything out of the game.

i like stanley and i live in accy i have watched stanley on many occasions an i wish you well for the rest of the season but how many times has coleman been sent to the stands and is he going for a record?

cashman 29-11-2008 23:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pud (Post 656042)
I have to say as a Bury fan i am not sure you can say that the ref was biased as you got two pens today! the first on was a definite pen and futcher was last man not sodje! therefore correct decision yellow card as for the second i don't know still now why it was given and i was behind the goal watching the whole thing. Bury should have had a goal before we actually scored but the linesman! sorry assistant flagged wrongly for offside! the first goal couldn't have been offside as bishop played the ball back from the line therefore you can't be offside.

Stanley came in to it in the second half but we went defensive to kill the game and we did what we had too

You cant really complain if a ref gives you two pens and you still dont get anything out of the game.

i like stanley and i live in accy i have watched stanley on many occasions an i wish you well for the rest of the season but how many times has coleman been sent to the stands and is he going for a record?
i never said he was biased pud, i said he was crap, and you seem to bear that out with your comments.:tongueout

Kiwi John 30-11-2008 06:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pud (Post 656042)
I have to say as a Bury fan i am not sure you can say that the ref was biased as you got two pens today! the first on was a definite pen and futcher was last man not sodje! therefore correct decision yellow card as for the second i don't know still now why it was given and i was behind the goal watching the whole thing. Bury should have had a goal before we actually scored but the linesman! sorry assistant flagged wrongly for offside! the first goal couldn't have been offside as bishop played the ball back from the line therefore you can't be offside.

Stanley came in to it in the second half but we went defensive to kill the game and we did what we had too

You cant really complain if a ref gives you two pens and you still dont get anything out of the game.

i like stanley and i live in accy i have watched stanley on many occasions an i wish you well for the rest of the season but how many times has coleman been sent to the stands and is he going for a record?
How the *** can you judge an offside correctly when,in your words, " I was behind the goal watching the whole thing..."?:(:(

Oggy 30-11-2008 07:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 656006)
Why couldn't they put them in the Coppice End and have an open, seated away section like Stockport? :mad:
Think we have to have a minimum of 2,000 covered seats, Sockport already have that for the home fans.

Seem to remember Eric getting upset with this messageboard for starting the rumour that seats will be going under the new roof a while back. Was that because this was the plan all along? ;)

If anybody has time to explain plans I'd be much obliged, couldn't afford £13 and a programme. (I'm wondering is it all Whinney Hill, or just the away end?)

Finally, maybe the away kit would have been better yesterday, looked like our lads couldn't see each other when they passed. :rolleyes:

Wynonie Harris 30-11-2008 08:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oggy (Post 656089)
Think we have to have a minimum of 2,000 covered seats, Sockport already have that for the home fans.

Seem to remember Eric getting upset with this messageboard for starting the rumour that seats will be going under the new roof a while back. Was that because this was the plan all along? ;)
In that case, I suppose we'll just have to like it or lump it. As you say, though, it is a bit rich after the club were so indignant when supporters dared to suggest that there was a plan afoot to install seats on the Clayton End. I also thought that the club might have sought the views of fans a bit more instead of just presenting the whole thing as a fait accompli. :(

Tin Monkey 30-11-2008 09:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 656102)
I also thought that the club might have sought the views of fans a bit more instead of just presenting the whole thing as a fait accompli. :(
You did?? Really?? Consult the fans before making a decision?? :eek: ;)

lancsdave 30-11-2008 09:05
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It certainly sounds unique. I'm not sure there is another ground where the seats are in front of the standing support, it's usually the other way round.

Wynonie Harris 30-11-2008 09:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 656103)
You did?? Really?? Consult the fans before making a decision?? :eek: ;)
Yes, I did. Never learn, do I? Anyway, I'm really cheesed off about it. I waited over 40 years for something like the Clayton End at Stanley and I love it. Once these seats are installed, I reckon it just won't "feel" right anymore. Does anybody else feel the same...or am I making a mountain out of a molehill?

southernred 30-11-2008 10:03
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Wyonnie and all; please please take the time to read the new thread I have just put on re the seats.

Thank you, if you need further info please PM me and I'll try to explain things further.

SamF 30-11-2008 11:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pud (Post 656042)
I have to say as a Bury fan i am not sure you can say that the ref was biased as you got two pens today! the first on was a definite pen and futcher was last man not sodje! therefore correct decision yellow card as for the second i don't know still now why it was given and i was behind the goal watching the whole thing. Bury should have had a goal before we actually scored but the linesman! sorry assistant flagged wrongly for offside! the first goal couldn't have been offside as bishop played the ball back from the line therefore you can't be offside.

Stanley came in to it in the second half but we went defensive to kill the game and we did what we had too

You cant really complain if a ref gives you two pens and you still dont get anything out of the game.

i like stanley and i live in accy i have watched stanley on many occasions an i wish you well for the rest of the season but how many times has coleman been sent to the stands and is he going for a record?
Looked at the video now and yes sodje was not the last man. However what of your keeper flying out and elbowing our striker ?

And the offside of the first goal was a few minutes before the goal at the start of the attack, the ball played to the winger was offside in the build up. Him and another of your lads kept getting caught off.

knillyssexytrackies 30-11-2008 11:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi John (Post 656087)
How the *** can you judge an offside correctly when,in your words, " I was behind the goal watching the whole thing..."?:(:(

Its just like saying kiwi john "how can you turn up to a local derby match with 700 fans?"

Outback Ozzy 30-11-2008 16:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pud (Post 656042)
I have to say as a Bury fan i am not sure you can say that the ref was biased as you got two pens today! the first on was a definite pen and futcher was last man not sodje! therefore correct decision yellow card as for the second i don't know still now why it was given and i was behind the goal watching the whole thing. Bury should have had a goal before we actually scored but the linesman! sorry assistant flagged wrongly for offside! the first goal couldn't have been offside as bishop played the ball back from the line therefore you can't be offside.

Stanley came in to it in the second half but we went defensive to kill the game and we did what we had too

You cant really complain if a ref gives you two pens and you still dont get anything out of the game.

i like stanley and i live in accy i have watched stanley on many occasions an i wish you well for the rest of the season but how many times has coleman been sent to the stands and is he going for a record?
Sorry mate, but you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you thought that goal should have been allowed, your forward was 3 yards offside when the ball was played and it doesn't matter if the ball is played back or forwards, if the player is in front of the last defender and only the keeper to beat he is deemed offside and I was level with the assistant ref when he gave that. Plus your first goal scored was a blatant handball at the edge of the area that the assistant missed. So what goes around comes around, you are correct on one point though, if we cannot score from a penalty then we deserved what we got - nowt. I also have to agree with you on the other point about the yellow for Sodje, even the TV replays show Futcher further back but not 'in play' so to speak. Can't say about the elbow by your goalie coz I couldn't see it. But I have to agree with others on this thread, Premiership refs should stick to the Premiership, because yesterdays ref was clueless as were his assistants.

Outback Ozzy 30-11-2008 16:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 655953)
didnt buy a programme so dont know about it, what are the arrangements going to be! we should of scored first when he hit it high and wide over but that wasnt his fault hean hasnt really played most game this season! we should of score that penalty! trust bury to go 4 games without socreing beofre comeing to us! jimmy deserved to get mom thought he played very well! wounder why liam got taken off at half-time! coley should not of got sent to the stands, but then again he shouldnt of ran down the line and whacked the ball no doubt he will get a touch line ban for that! well played to lads today we shold of got at least of point out of it we need gornell back we did miss him upfront today clarke should of started imo
Bury won 4-0 against Grimsby last week as I remember.

:confused:

lancsdave 30-11-2008 16:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Outback Ozzy (Post 656215)
it doesn't matter if the ball is played back or forwards, if the player is in front of the last defender and only the keeper to beat he is deemed offside and I was level with the assistant ref when he gave that.

It does matter, you can't be offside if you are behind the ball. :)

fc:stanley 30-11-2008 17:15
Re: Bury
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 656118)
Yes, I did. Never learn, do I? Anyway, I'm really cheesed off about it. I waited over 40 years for something like the Clayton End at Stanley and I love it. Once these seats are installed, I reckon it just won't "feel" right anymore. Does anybody else feel the same...or am I making a mountain out of a molehill?
I feel the same. It will look wrong and wont feel the same tbh. Keep the terrace as it is and get building a new stand to provide a bigger income and a bigger and brighter future for stanley!

cashman 30-11-2008 17:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 655953)
trust bury to go 4 games without socreing beofre comeing to us!
you wouldn't score in a brothel with info like that, try 22/10/08 they scored 4 against gillingham.:rofl38::rofl38:

lancsdave 30-11-2008 18:36
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The correct stat was that they hadn't scored a goal in their last 4 away games :)

Redraine 30-11-2008 18:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 656118)
Yes, I did. Never learn, do I? Anyway, I'm really cheesed off about it. I waited over 40 years for something like the Clayton End at Stanley and I love it. Once these seats are installed, I reckon it just won't "feel" right anymore. Does anybody else feel the same...or am I making a mountain out of a molehill?
I'm with you 100% mate. Thought it must be April 1st when I heard about the plan. "Lower part of the Clayton end"? - it ain't deep enough to have a lower part! Just how many rows of standing would be left behind the bloody seats? If there is no other way apart from the proper solution of the Whinney Hill side being redeveloped ( and I am also at a loss about the budget along with KP), then why not just have the the necessary seats at each end ot the Clayton end? The behind the goal area could still then be for standng only.Without the standing block of Utras and their older brethren the whole matchday experience will be destroyed for ever.

shakers08 30-11-2008 18:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 656252)
The correct stat was that they hadn't scored a goal in their last 4 away games :)
in our last 5 away games we have scored 6 goals:tongueout

Dagenham away ( W 3-1)
Bradford away (L 0-1)
Notts county away (W 1-0)
Darlington away ( L 0-1 JPT)
Accy away ( W 2-1)

lancsdave 30-11-2008 19:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Redraine (Post 656255)
Without the standing block of Utras and their older brethren the whole matchday experience will be destroyed for ever.

Two promotions and you haven't got an option if you were to stay up there.

VALAIRIAN 30-11-2008 19:21
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Nice one Redraine! Like the idea(prefer the idea) of seats at either side and the rest of us in the middle. May cost a few quid more to install them at either end but a much much much better idea, get on to Dave and Eric before its to late, I would vote for that and I am sure so would most of the Clayton Enders!!!!!!!!!!!!

Redraine 30-11-2008 19:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 656264)
Two promotions and you haven't got an option if you were to stay up there.
Hollow laughter:D

lancsdave 30-11-2008 19:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Redraine (Post 656269)
Hollow laughter:D

Football is a funny old game ;)

Willie Miller 30-11-2008 19:33
Re: Bury
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 656264)
Two promotions and you haven't got an option if you were to stay up there.
Then all the new "glory boys" can sit in silence in the seats, I'll be off watching Padiham or Clitheroe:)

Stanleymad 30-11-2008 19:59
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Ahhhh like the loyal to the core fan:rolleyes:

Willie Miller 30-11-2008 22:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanleymad (Post 656278)
Ahhhh like the loyal to the core fan:rolleyes:
Its nothing to do with stanley thicko, its about the Premier****, money, greed, corporates, suits, advertising revenue, £10k a week salaries, £6 hot dogs, seat numbers, boring "new" fans with no soul but a season ticket, hospitality packages, champions league "branding", player friggin "image rights", BADGE KISSING, football agents, replica shirt sales, diving & rolling around like you've been shot, over zealous stewarding to the nth degree, balance sheets, directorships, foreign owners, football franchising, the "Big 4" (WTF!), £4 for a Coke, Football supermarkets with branded e v e r y t h i n g, £30 a ticket to watch Rory De-friggin-Lap chuck a football at your keeper, £5 for a programme full of adverts, pre match 3 course meals, banning orders for standing up, profit & loss, Kick off times so that Mr Ho Chin Wah in China can watch the game in between stuffing donuts in his gob & an episode of the simpsons, Sky & Setanta bleedin every football fan for £40 a month, WAG'S!!!!!!, Paul friggin Ince, commercial departments, sponsorship....................

I could go on, but even you must now get the point!:o

Willie Miller 30-11-2008 23:00
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& its more loyal following Stanley when 300 went on than any fairytale trip to the "Kingdom of Greed!"

cashman 30-11-2008 23:09
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well willie i too have great dislike fer much of what you say, like sky,etc etc, but to not want the club you profess to love, reach great heights makes you a serious THICKO in my book.:rolleyes: things have moved forward since the "Deadwood Stage" like it or not thats the way it is.

lancsdave 01-12-2008 06:15
Re: Bury
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Willie Miller (Post 656341)
Its nothing to do with stanley thicko, its about the Premier****, money, greed, corporates, suits, advertising revenue, £10k a week salaries, £6 hot dogs, seat numbers, boring "new" fans with no soul but a season ticket, hospitality packages, champions league "branding", player friggin "image rights", BADGE KISSING, football agents, replica shirt sales, diving & rolling around like you've been shot, over zealous stewarding to the nth degree, balance sheets, directorships, foreign owners, football franchising, the "Big 4" (WTF!), £4 for a Coke, Football supermarkets with branded e v e r y t h i n g, £30 a ticket to watch Rory De-friggin-Lap chuck a football at your keeper, £5 for a programme full of adverts, pre match 3 course meals, banning orders for standing up, profit & loss, Kick off times so that Mr Ho Chin Wah in China can watch the game in between stuffing donuts in his gob & an episode of the simpsons, Sky & Setanta bleedin every football fan for £40 a month, WAG'S!!!!!!, Paul friggin Ince, commercial departments, sponsorship....................

I could go on, but even you must now get the point!:o
Good rant and one which I'm sure 99% of football fans would agree with but would still carry on supporting their club, as I'm sure you will ;)

Also a bit of a wasted rant because two promotions would only take you in to the Championship not the Premiership and the price of a coffee and a replica shirt is still the same as it is at Stanley :)

Stanleymad 01-12-2008 08:08
Re: Bury
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Willie Miller (Post 656341)
Its nothing to do with stanley thicko, its about the Premier****, money, greed, corporates, suits, advertising revenue, £10k a week salaries, £6 hot dogs, seat numbers, boring "new" fans with no soul but a season ticket, hospitality packages, champions league "branding", player friggin "image rights", BADGE KISSING, football agents, replica shirt sales, diving & rolling around like you've been shot, over zealous stewarding to the nth degree, balance sheets, directorships, foreign owners, football franchising, the "Big 4" (WTF!), £4 for a Coke, Football supermarkets with branded e v e r y t h i n g, £30 a ticket to watch Rory De-friggin-Lap chuck a football at your keeper, £5 for a programme full of adverts, pre match 3 course meals, banning orders for standing up, profit & loss, Kick off times so that Mr Ho Chin Wah in China can watch the game in between stuffing donuts in his gob & an episode of the simpsons, Sky & Setanta bleedin every football fan for £40 a month, WAG'S!!!!!!, Paul friggin Ince, commercial departments, sponsorship....................

I could go on, but even you must now get the point!:o
Ahh i made my point so no issues with my grey matter:tongueout

Think i get the gist its more about the added expense to the pee up :cheers:

JEFF 01-12-2008 11:26
Re: Bury
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Willie Miller (Post 656341)
Its nothing to do with stanley thicko, its about the Premier****, money, greed, corporates, suits, advertising revenue, £10k a week salaries, £6 hot dogs, seat numbers, boring "new" fans with no soul but a season ticket, hospitality packages, champions league "branding", player friggin "image rights", BADGE KISSING, football agents, replica shirt sales, diving & rolling around like you've been shot, over zealous stewarding to the nth degree, balance sheets, directorships, foreign owners, football franchising, the "Big 4" (WTF!), £4 for a Coke, Football supermarkets with branded e v e r y t h i n g, £30 a ticket to watch Rory De-friggin-Lap chuck a football at your keeper, £5 for a programme full of adverts, pre match 3 course meals, banning orders for standing up, profit & loss, Kick off times so that Mr Ho Chin Wah in China can watch the game in between stuffing donuts in his gob & an episode of the simpsons, Sky & Setanta bleedin every football fan for £40 a month, WAG'S!!!!!!, Paul friggin Ince, commercial departments, sponsorship....................

I could go on, but even you must now get the point!:o
Have you been watching Aberdeen again Willie, or have you stopped supporting them because you have to sit down, and have had to sit down for about the last twenty years.


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