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Stanleymad 26-01-2009 11:15

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What happened to the grant?? i know a fair bit went on the lovely control room [thats the most positive bit of the club - other than shultzy of course:D] but thought the rest was for the stand?

Revived Red 26-01-2009 11:45

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Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 672454)
we have a good footballing side! Have some really good players jimmy ryan, ewards, charnock, p mullin, turner! Were playing better football this season!

I wonder if you could let us have your thoughts on (1) why we didn't beat Barnet, and (2) why there were only 1056 people at the FES on a day when there was no counter-attraction at Blackburn or Burnley.

Grimps 26-01-2009 12:00

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sick off wasting money watching non league at fes so i and 3 others when to bradford park av to watch non league eastwood town

MCR ADIM 26-01-2009 12:28

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Originally Posted by Grimps (Post 672544)
sick off wasting money watching non league at fes so i and 3 others when to bradford park av to watch non league eastwood town

you see this is a prime example of "diehards" not getting their own way as they would if we were non-league so they dont go! stop chucking your toys out of the pram just becuase the club arnt doing things the way you want them e.g seats we dont want them in the clayton end but the club dont listen so we aint going! non league football at the fes would that be the same non league team that drew against one of the top 3 sides in the league (yes it was away from home but so what) if your a diehard than you go every game despite what you think of eric and the backroom staff

afrikaaner 26-01-2009 13:43

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I always thought that the aim of a forum was for fans to air their thoughts on how their team are doing or not doing as the case may be.wether it's praising the teams performance or saying what they think about a poor one the majority of accy fans who use this forum do so because they care about the direction it's heading.It's now the third season of the same standard of inconsistent form where we rely on other teams results,a select few seem to enjoy slagging off anyone who dares to criticise the management etc!.I don't have to name names,they know who they are,i know monies tight and it's hard to attract new players but at the end of the day these performances reflect on management,tactics etc.Coleman should think himself lucky that eric holds him in such esteem because other managers have been sacked for just one season of bad results let alone what we've had to put up with for nearly 3 seasons.Constructive critisism is good for a football club e.g ACCY, but when the club cuts off it's own fans forum from its' main website it makes the fans think they couldn't give a toss what the fans who pay their hard earned money to watch Accy think.Until things improve nothing will change and the criticisms will go on,it's the few who think the management right upto the chairman can do no wrong who spoil this forum because they can't stand anyone else having a point of view if it doesn't coinside with theirs.I rest my case

ACCY TILL I DIE.:alright::signbeer::drink::wave8:

Grimps 26-01-2009 14:50

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long ago my toys went out of the pram, i have followed accy for decades and for some little **** like you on here, you need your head checking out (mcr adim ). sticks and stones never broke anyones bones but grimps used to, hope i never bump into you. Up the acc.


*Edited for swearing*

MCR ADIM 26-01-2009 15:04

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Posted via Mobile Device is that a threat? Have i ever made a threat towards you? No so why the need for violence? I thought this was an forum where everyone had a freedom of speach! i suppose i guessed wrong!

Grimps 26-01-2009 15:08

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you are just taking the **** out of two many pepole on here

lancsdave 26-01-2009 15:22

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Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 672587)
I thought this was an forum where everyone had a freedom of speach!!

Thats what people have been saying all along and you disagreed :confused:

afrikaaner 26-01-2009 15:25

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Seems to me MCR ADIM that the freedom of speech on this forum is only right if everyone agrees with you.So grow up and realise that not all Accy supporters are happy with the way the way things are going,and yes i will support Accy in whatever league they play in but i don't want to see them back in the conference DO YOU.Perhaps if you put something constructive on the board then it could be discussed without any problems,and as to your comment that we are playing well ?,if thats the case why are we still in the bottom 6.By my reckoning if the other 3 teams hadn't been deducted a large number of points we'd be in the s--t right now.


ACCY TILL I DIE.:alright::D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

ZOMBIE 26-01-2009 15:34

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Can we all calm it down please?

This is an open forum and people are free to express their views, even if they don't always please people at the club. Don't make this personal, as we're all fans after all.

MCR ADIM 26-01-2009 16:00

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Posted via Mobile Device no i think its because i dont agree with you more like! Because i have different views than 95% of memebers on here that if someone has a different view of the club/players than they dont like it! I posted what i think and i got called stupid! Etc etc and why because my post was different! No-where on this post will you find me calling other members or threating them! I have an opinion i voiced it just like you all have! But the threats etc is abit far!

Grimps 26-01-2009 16:29

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i hav my views on my things i never call pepole out but you call me out with highlighting my name well thats all i hav to say on this if you would like to pm me you can :alright:

Revived Red 26-01-2009 16:54

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Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 672454)
we have a good footballing side! Have some really good players jimmy ryan, ewards, charnock, p mullin, turner! Were playing better football this season!

MCR ADIM - I asked you this earlier but you have not replied. Let's try again.

I wonder if you could let us have your thoughts on (1) why we didn't beat Barnet, and (2) why there were only 1056 people at the FES on a day when there was no counter-attraction at Blackburn or Burnley.

MCR ADIM 26-01-2009 17:06

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Originally Posted by Revived Red (Post 672660)
MCR ADIM - I asked you this earlier but you have not replied. Let's try again.

I wonder if you could let us have your thoughts on (1) why we didn't beat Barnet, and (2) why there were only 1056 people at the FES on a day when there was no counter-attraction at Blackburn or Burnley.

1. i cant answer the question only the management and players can answer that question i can only assume we werent playing to the ability we have seen them play this season

2. becuase credit crunch, people have fallen out with the club as posted ealier in the section 3 people would of came but went to watch another game! poor away support from barnet

why do you think there was only 1056 people at the game on saturday

Revived Red 26-01-2009 17:32

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Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 672662)
1. i cant answer the question only the management and players can answer that question i can only assume we werent playing to the ability we have seen them play this season

"the ability we have seen them play this season". Which few games are those? Why are we struggling in our current position?

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2. becuase credit crunch, people have fallen out with the club as posted ealier in the section 3 people would of came but went to watch another game! poor away support from barnet

why do you think there was only 1056 people at the game on saturday

I think you are partly correct when you say "credit crunch" - we are all much more careful with our money. But we want to watch football, and we want to feel valued as fans. What is the club doing do show its appreciation of its fans? Please don't accuse everyone of being negative for no reason. There are good reasons for any negativity. We ALL want to be positive. The sad reality is that the club has made promises to some fans which it has not fulfilled. How can they possibly be positive?

People are not negative because of some silly whim. They are negative because they feel the club is letting them down. And they are correct. As many others have said, the club seems intent on alienating its loyal fans. And these loyal fans, now disillusioned, are quite justified in expressing their disappointment at the behaviour of a club that many (including me) have supported since the 1950s.

Not only has the club failed to build on what it achieved three years ago, but it is in danger of destroying it.

afrikaaner 26-01-2009 17:57

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Three other people would hve made it 1059,not earth shattering is it,what i want to know is,when we were in our last season in the conference and winning promotion we were averageing 2300 + gates and over.We stood on the Clayton end getting ****ed wet through whenever the weather took a turn for the worse.Then after 44 years in the wilderness we regain our league status and over a season or so our gates have dropped by nearly half,could it be they are disilutioned by what they've been watching?.I'd like to know what your answer is to that MCR,even with a new roof on it's not made any difference,if you know what the answer is please would you enlighten us because i'd sure like to know.

maccawozzagod 26-01-2009 21:46

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Originally Posted by Stanleymad (Post 672526)
What happened to the grant??

as far as I know grant money is paid towards structures required to fulfill ground grading requirements. Only a percentage of the final figure is payable (40%?), therefore we would only get paid for the 'new stand' when work is underway/completed

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Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 672553)
if your a diehard than you go every game despite what you think of eric and the backroom staff

quite true. The club is bigger than one man - if your problem is Eric then realise that the club will still be there when Eric is gone. Who he is replaced by is a different matter entirely but what happens if you don't like the new bloke/bloke-ess? Eric is not a greedy chairman out to line his own pocket, we don't make enough money for that! So please carry on paying your admission fee's. It is for Accrington Stanley.

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Originally Posted by afrikaaner (Post 672568)
it's the few who think the management right upto the chairman can do no wrong who spoil this forum

Every football club forum in the country is full of negativety. Morecambe are in their 2nd season in the football league, have had excellent cup runs on the back of a play off trip to Wembley. They have a new £6m stadium due for completion by the end of next season - what have they got to be down about? But they are, they find problems with every facet of their club because they are football fans and want better from their club. Probably only the big two in this country have reason not to be negative - but they still will be. The Ultras have their views, the cowshedders have theirs and Accy Web have theirs. We need to respect that everyone differs on opinion and rather than singing where you can shove your accy web you should be posting the good stuff that is apparently lacking. I have read that Accy Web isn't the same anymore without posters of old - well where are they? If they all came back and started posting again then some of the 'drivel' would be diluted by newer, wittier, upbeat posts, n'est pas?

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Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 672662)
why do you think there was only 1056 people at the game on saturday

many reasons can be attributed but the credit crunch would only be jumping on a hyped up media bandwagon. The truth is that at the beginning of the season we still only had a similar number of Accrington on the ground and this was before the recession was anywhere near biting. When we were in the Conference we attracted many more Burnley and Blackburn fans. These 'floaters' could have a proper pint at half time and watch the scores come through on the TV in the bar. You can't do that now so many of these people spend free saturdays doing something else. We aren't winning. Winning sides will always attract higher crowds. Kipax always eulogises that a winning side is the only thing that will bring the crowds flocking - I disagree. It will bring the numbers but lots of other things could also do that. When we did have a winning side the crowds weren't that much higher but it was still an improvement. The problem was that no money has ever been spent purely on 'this one's for the fans'. We increased the capacity because we had to. We put the roof on because we had to, we are putting seats in because we had to, we put extra toilets in because we had to. It is always the same and probably will be for some time. It is done at the last possible moment and as cheaply as possible. People are sick of it. Delaying the roof must have cost us hundreds of fans that got fed up of paying good money to get wet. Not being able to get a decent drink at half time will have cost us fans, not being able to sit down in the stand without a leaking roof dripping on you will have cost us fans. Many little things do add up and each one might only cost us 10, 25 or 50 fans but when you tally them together it might equal 500 (it also might not) but that is over five grand a game or over a hundred grand a season. IT'S MONEY WE NEED - its also more money than it would have cost to have done the work in the first place. It would only have cost a few hundred pounds to have put proper bitumen paint on the roof of the main stand and may need doing every 7-10 years, but it stops people getting wet! If 10 people get wet and don't come again then you have lost that expense within 2-3 games. That is false economy. If 5 people don't have a drink at half time because they don't want to have to carry two half pint plastic cups to hold their £2 can of lager the you have lost the expense it would have cost to have got proper plastic bottles (rectified this season I believe but two years later than necessary) it's false economy. They don't go to the bar next time. They might not come to the game because they can't or won't have a beer at half time. If people think they can't have a smoke at half time they might not come. Can they smoke? Let folk know.

I said earlier on that the club has never done anything that they don't have to for the fans. They could, very quickly, easily and more importantly, cheaply, build some kind of smoking shelter, a wind break of some description for around the beer shed (or just put it on the railing side?). These might not sound like major things, they wouldn't put much, if anything on the gate - but they would make the smokers and drinkers feel a little more welcomed and appreciated. It fosters a slightly better spirit amongst those people and helps them go home maybe a little warmer and a little more willing to come again next week. And they'd be paying again.

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Originally Posted by Revived Red (Post 672673)
The sad reality is that the club has made promises to some fans which it has not fulfilled. They (the fans) are negative because they feel the club is letting them down. .


this is aimed more at the hardcore loyal fans rather than the general crowd I would imagine. THe hardcore have been battered from pillar to post over the years with the begging bowl. We carry on trying to put a little more into the begging bowl every time but you can't carry on doing this and then seeing nothing coming back from the club. We know that the club is strapped all the time but this is for many reasons and we shouldn't be the ones who seem to suffer for it. ASFC promised Junior Eagles membership would carry various perks for want of a better word. They never materialised. Stanley Legends (see other thread) were told that they would receive various perks. They never materialised. Half time draw, gold bond draw etc - we pay into them so make us feel more involved, draw them on the pitch at half time, get somebody form the crowd to draw it. If the 50-50 draw isn't claimed straight away then re-draw it. If the guy after you won it you would be annoyed that you didn't buy two and next time you might just do so. If you pay to have your newspapers delivered but they didn't come, would you carry on paying for them? Stop the gimmicks and concentrate on one thing at a time. Get it right then do something additional ;)

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Originally Posted by Revived Red (Post 672673)
Not only has the club failed to build on what it achieved three years ago, but it is in danger of destroying it.

This is the most damning post of the thread so far. Not so much the last part as relegation is part and parcel of football and if it ever comes then we deal with it and move on. I am more worried about the first part. Three years after the single biggest acheivement of any of the Accrington town teams and we don't seem to have improved much. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE TEAM BUT THE CLUB. We have developed an academy and we have developed a much needed Football in the Cummunity department. These are not paid for directly by the club and are set up and funded largely by external agencies. The club can direct them thoguh and make them into whatever they want according to how much effrot they put into it. Beyond those two there is little to differentiate ASFC 2009 to ASFC 2006. We actually seem to have gone backwards in some respects if you use the number of sponsored matches as your yardstick. This can be attributed to the credit crunch or it can be attributed to chopping and changing in the commercial department or it can be attributed to local businesses have had enough of us. Whatever it is can only be judged by those at the helm and in the know. Stuff like that is not really any of our business as we don't know enough about it, but we do have an interest in things like club merchandise and whether it gets to us when we order it, we do have an interest in whether the club tells that a game has been switched to another date, or whether we read it elsewhere two days earlier. ETC ETC.

The club will pretty much continue to operate in this manner for the foreseeable future. It has to because we don't believe in speculating money. But if we never get the fabled cup run, if Bobby Grant isn't the first £500k player through the revolving red and white door, then we will never have the money to build the stand and facilities that will attract another 500 people in, or to build the facilities that we need in order to attract money to the FES on the other six days of the week.

One really worrying thing that has crossed mty mind this week is the FES name. From what I can remember of the limited published details it was a three year deal to name the ground and was for a substantial sum rumoured to be approx £1/4m per year (somebody might find a link to the Telegraph or Observer of the time). This season would be the last of those three years, are they going to renew? Bearing in mind that they pulled out of the shirt sponsorship earlier than we thought they would then I would be inclined to think so. Couple that thought with the knowledge that the leftover Ian Craney transfer money had to go towards balancing the books, and that crowds have continued to dwindle, and the recession is continuing to affect all our local business who will surely be cutting back on sponsorship and you start to see why I would be seriously worried about our future finances.

To all those still reading - sorry

Wynonie Harris 26-01-2009 22:12

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 672263)
A prime example is Macca...he's forever posting on here with a multitude of fresh ideas about how to improve things. The club could have sat down with him, talked his ideas through and maybe some good things would have come out of it.

See?...I TOLD you so!! :D

mab 26-01-2009 22:29

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:) macca spot on with this great post of yours :)

Oldgobbin 26-01-2009 22:47

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Macca, you're a star! Superb post which hits the nail on the head in so many different areas. If only others on this forum could take some of your points on board and try to react positively instead of the ongoing negativity which has, I am sure, driven so many posters away. Yes, there are many things wrong, but we won't put them right by turning our backs on the club. Many thanks for this "breath of fresh air"

Wynonie Harris 27-01-2009 07:26

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Originally Posted by Oldgobbin (Post 672769)
Macca, you're a star! Superb post which hits the nail on the head in so many different areas. If only others on this forum could take some of your points on board

How about the club taking some of his points on board...or is that too much to hope for?

Grimps 27-01-2009 07:29

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macca some one should put you on as a new non diretro at the club to look at new way to help.

JEFF 27-01-2009 13:01

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 672759)
So please carry on paying your admission fee's. It is for Accrington Stanley.

How many times have you paid your admision fees this season ? Were you one of the 1056 last Saturday and if not then you could probably help to explain why we only had 1056 by giving us your reason for not being there.

ukcowboy 27-01-2009 13:52

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Originally Posted by JEFF (Post 672852)
How many times have you paid your admision fees this season ? Were you one of the 1056 last Saturday and if not then you could probably help to explain why we only had 1056 by giving us your reason for not being there.

Jeff, Macca made it quite plain last season, that due to family commitments, He would not be 'on' very much this season, therefore He has no obligaion to explain His absence to You or anyone else!!

None the less, does that make His post any less valid, I would say not, infact it is the best post in this thread (IMHO) and has thrown a different light on a lot of the moans .........mine included........karma on its way Macca!!

Just to let you know Jeff, I was one of the missing fans and will continue to stay away for the forseable future as I am totaly dissolutioned with the whole Stanley set up and can see no hope of it changing in the near future, ergo I will save my £26 a game and stay at home..........but I will still support the team as my 'hometown' team.........as long as thats ok with yourself of course!!

Stanleymad 27-01-2009 14:52

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OOpppss i will spoil a good post, as macca knows very well......

IDEAS are well & good but without a good support, dedication & direction those IDEAS cannot be put in fruition - that we know cos many a time have tried thro OSC which the new breed of supporters tried in vain to change & get the club to consider - frankly if it doesn't contain £ signs gained then Eric dont want to know we saw that for ourselves with exibition. To add even then - when offered on a plate they fluff that up bigtime as well - shirt launch big media co-incided with exibition & real positive interest & possible return of fans - failed bigtime & was too late.

Think last summer proved that the interest was there from the townsfolk & people whom travelled miles - even airmiles!!! But stanley chairmain let them down as far as the current history is concerned. People wont return if they are constantly let down, irgnored & regarded unimportant to the club once parted with their hard earned cash!! Mud sticks!

Ok for those that pay on the gate more often than not or have a current season ticket - they are the ones whom have that little more gripe, they are the ones contributing this season - they are the ones that are not happy & voicing that - so cold comfort to be told by those that go a few times - awww shutup its supporting accy stanley - DONT We KNOW IT, club want something for their money but so do the fans by least performance IMHO! Which prompts me like a few others have done this season which is sod that for a barrel of laughs season ticket wont be purchased next season & will go when i can or when the club wants their fans, thro effort & perfomances on & off field!

yerself 27-01-2009 14:56

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I don't know what's more entertaining, going to watch Stanley or coming on this forum.:D

Stanleymad 27-01-2009 14:58

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 672887)
I don't know what's more entertaining, going to watch Stanley or coming on this forum.:D

Urrmmmm easy coming on this forum :rofl38:

maccawozzagod 27-01-2009 15:09

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Originally Posted by JEFF (Post 672852)
How many times have you paid your admision fees this season ? Were you one of the 1056 last Saturday and if not then you could probably help to explain why we only had 1056 by giving us your reason for not being there.

manager of a shop that has to open saturdays for a start
3rd child born hours before the start of the new season which has time and money implications
father in law in hospital having neurosurgery
wife suffering from looking after three kids 24/7

thats four reasons for a start jeff

tonight will be my fourth game of the season - i get there when i can. But knowing this season that I can't support the club as I would like to, I have made more effort with putting money into the club through the club shop than I would normally do. Home and away shirt bought, 15 badges bought (10 of the new 40th anniversary and 5 of the crested one), two scarves (one is the new 40th anniversary that hasn't been 'launched'), a jumper for my dads birthday, a hoodie for christmas, a wallet for my eldest child, last seasons (reduced in price) home and away strip for the two oldest kids). I also subscribe to th Gold bond and Stanley legends and if and when I get chance to grab a few pints during the week I tend to drink at Mo's tavern aka The Crown.

Not counting the alcohol I make that well over two hundred quid spent on merchandise plus the four games at £52. How much was your season ticket Jeff?

I think I am still entitled to have an opinion despite not being a 'regular'

Stanleymad 27-01-2009 15:11

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aye u do keep the stanley bar busy macca pmsl

JEFF 27-01-2009 15:37

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Originally Posted by ukcowboy (Post 672867)
Jeff, Macca made it quite plain last season, that due to family commitments, He would not be 'on' very much this season, therefore He has no obligaion to explain His absence to You or anyone else!!

None the less, does that make His post any less valid, I would say not, infact it is the best post in this thread (IMHO) and has thrown a different light on a lot of the moans .........mine included........karma on its way Macca!!

Just to let you know Jeff, I was one of the missing fans and will continue to stay away for the forseable future as I am totaly dissolutioned with the whole Stanley set up and can see no hope of it changing in the near future, ergo I will save my £26 a game and stay at home..........but I will still support the team as my 'hometown' team.........as long as thats ok with yourself of course!!

I think you took my post the wrong way. The post was asking for reasons why we only had 1056 on. Macca's reasons could have been the reasons relating to a lot of people who do not watch Stanley, therefore Macca could part answer the question of reasons why some people do not go to Stanley.

As for you staying away, that is up to you. But please don't say that you will still support the team. If you do not go to the games you do not SUPPORT the team you are a fan of the team. Or if you consider yourself supporting the team please explain how you are supporting them if you stay away. The Stanley set up will have less hope of changing if you and others stay away thus depriving the club of income.

As for Macca's suggestions of what should be done. A couple of years ago we had long winded posts from Macca regarding the Supporters Club about what should have been done and what was going to be done now that Macca was in charge. What happened to all that when it was put into practice, how did all his suggestions and ideas change the Supporters Club. Well I am told that there were four people at the last meeting, that's how much it changed it.

JEFF 27-01-2009 15:46

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 672894)
manager of a shop that has to open saturdays for a start
3rd child born hours before the start of the new season which has time and money implications
father in law in hospital having neurosurgery
wife suffering from looking after three kids 24/7

thats four reasons for a start jeff

Well that's four reasons that could apply to other people who do not come to Stanley. Four answers to the question why we only had 1056 at the game.

I wasn't getting at you for not going to the games just asking for your reasons which could apply to others.

In answer to your question of how much my season ticket cost. When Stanley were in the Unibond League and short of money I paid £799 to be a life member, I am now entitled to a season ticket for life. I hope that my £799 went some way to helping Stanley get back into the league.

Kiwi John 27-01-2009 16:02

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Originally Posted by JEFF (Post 672898)
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As for you staying away, that is up to you. But please don't say that you will still support the team. If you do not go to the games you do not SUPPORT the team you are a fan of the team. Or if you consider yourself supporting the team please explain how you are supporting them if you stay away. The Stanley set up will have less hope of changing if you and others stay away thus depriving the club of income.

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I do not attend matches-its abit far away:D-but I take exception to your comment suggesting if I don't attend games I am NOT supporting the team.etc.. I have spent around 130 pounds with the club this season.Is that not supporting them ???:confused:

Kiwi John 27-01-2009 16:09

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... and ERIC and co; How on earth can you let a bloke of MACCAs ability not take a position on your board ??? .. You really should give it consideration.The mans influence and respect from his peers alone would add greatly to the gate- and thats the bonus as his marketing ability and unbridled enthusiasm would be of immense value to ASFC.

lancsdave 27-01-2009 16:09

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Originally Posted by Kiwi John (Post 672906)
I do not attend matches-its abit far away

Poor excuse :p

Reamer 27-01-2009 16:51

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Originally Posted by Kiwi John (Post 672907)
... and ERIC and co; How on earth can you let a bloke of MACCAs ability not take a position on your board ??? .. You really should give it consideration.The mans influence and respect from his peers alone would add greatly to the gate- and thats the bonus as his marketing ability and unbridled enthusiasm would be of immense value to ASFC.

Seems to me that Macca has already said that his priorities are with his family at the moment (and rightly so).

maccawozzagod 27-01-2009 16:56

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Originally Posted by JEFF (Post 672898)
As for Macca's suggestions of what should be done. A couple of years ago we had long winded posts from Macca regarding the Supporters Club about what should have been done and what was going to be done now that Macca was in charge. What happened to all that when it was put into practice, how did all his suggestions and ideas change the Supporters Club. Well I am told that there were four people at the last meeting, that's how much it changed it.

touche Jeff, touche.

what did happen during the 18 months that I was Chairman of the Supporters Club? well we had the largest ever organised away travel (that the club pulled its face at), we organised an open day of great magnitude (that was only pulled weeks before the date due to LCC sticking their noses in on a subject that had been cleared by HBC and Hyndburn Police), as part of the Open Day we had organised the resurrection of the Primary school knockout 7 a-side and had secured sponsors for that event - it was eventually held elsewhere, we broke into our own brand of merchandise (and love it or hate it it roughly broke even on takings and left us with over £2k of stock despite the club not allowing us to sell it through official avenues), we organised The Exhibition that had over 3000 visitors from various corners of the globe (despite the lack of involvement from the club), we represented the club at events that it never been to such as the Mela and Barrowford show, we upgraded membership cards from paper to hard wearing plastic, we secured our own sponsorships for the first time ever and had the membership cards, website and events sponsored by various people. We made marginally more money year on year than in previous years, despite larger outgoings due to things like merchandise, and despite the fact that we did not do a single sponsored event in that time.

My aim when I took over was to increase the profile of the club (ASFC as well as OSC) through various different approaches. This was done with regular radio interviews on 2BR, 107 the Bee, Radio Lancs and Rock FM, articles in 4-4-2 magazine, News of the World, Independant and Guardian newspapers, numerous 'college' type interviews for media studies courses and of course as frequently as possible in the local papers.

The exposure was all well and good and should be maintained as all positive (and it was) publicity is good publicity and helps to dilute any bad publicity (such as the turnign down of Freedom of the Borough and the various tussles with planning over the control room) BUT it doesn't put pound notes in the till and is, cynically, the reason why Mr Whalley doesn't put any emphasis on doing such things. But at the end of the day the club didn't really put any effort into the things we attempted, and this coupled with public apathy, ensured that things never really changed for the better. Before I took over there were numerous people sayin gthe OSC was that that or t'other and only Ossyclogger defending it. Many people said they would come to the meetings if things changed. The meeting where I was voted in saw 18 newcomers attend, looking back it was the largest meeting held for some time. But once that was done some of these people dropped away and many of the people who were attending prior to my appointment stopped going. This might have been because of me or it might have been because they saw the opportunity to get away quick while the going was good. Make no mistake it is a thankless task but one that I worked bloody at trying to do.

MORE PEOPLE REALLY NEED TO GET INVOLVED IN THE OSC FOR IT TO BE THE SUCCESS THAT IT DESERVES TO BE.

If people didn't like my brand of doing things then they can do their own - it's not a problem. I always said that if somebody was willing to do something then it shouldn't be backburned - crack on with it. Sponsored events always brought the money in but meant a lot of effort for few people and the same people being asked by 10 folk for sponsor money! I wasn't willing to do that and tried to give the Supporters Club the means to be self sufficient eg the merchandise range. But if you and a few others thought it a good idea then fine, do it. If you think it's a good idea to do lapdances on the coach to a game then fine, do it. The OSC could and should support 'branches'

As for there being only four members at the last meeting or what is going on with the Supporters Club now then you'll have to ask Harwood Red. For similar reasons to why I haven't been to the games, I also have had no involvement with the OSC since the Exhibition ended.

Hope this answers your questions Jeff. (and sorry for being long winded again!) :sleep8:

JEFF 28-01-2009 09:06

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[quote=maccawozzagod;672947]and this coupled with public apathy/quote]

That is probably the main reason that we only got 1056 against Barnet

JEFF 28-01-2009 11:50

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Originally Posted by Kiwi John (Post 672906)
I do not attend matches-its abit far away:D-but I take exception to your comment suggesting if I don't attend games I am NOT supporting the team.etc.. I have spent around 130 pounds with the club this season.Is that not supporting them ???:confused:

Why not read my whole comments I went on to say Or if you consider yourself supporting the team please explain how you are supporting them if you stay away.

As for giving Macca a place on the Board Kiwi John. How much would you expect him to invest in the Club to become a Director ?

John_Timmins 28-01-2009 14:21

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 672331)
Something I have noticed since the post about seats is fans like Willie Miller and Timmins haven't made their views known, not on here or the Ultras site, are you the Ultras spokesman, if so I would be interested to know one or two more views from our more noisier supporters.

sorry but we prefer to chat about it in the pub than sat at the pc :)

fingers get tired ;)


just stick it back in please lee
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it will end all the problems...honest :rolleyes:

Kiwi John 28-01-2009 16:55

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Originally Posted by JEFF (Post 673235)
Why not read my whole comments I went on to say Or if you consider yourself supporting the team please explain how you are supporting them if you stay away.

As for giving Macca a place on the Board Kiwi John. How much would you expect him to invest in the Club to become a Director ?

Jeff, you can actually be invited to join the Board of Directors of a company without having to be a shareholder or chucking in some money.

MCR ADIM 28-01-2009 17:29

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another positive to take from last night......

we are unbeaten at the FES fortress this year :D

Grimps 28-01-2009 17:41

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most off games called off thats why aswell:tongueout

southernred 28-01-2009 18:47

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Originally Posted by Kiwi John (Post 673321)
Jeff, you can actually be invited to join the Board of Directors of a company without having to be a shareholder or chucking in some money.

John & others,

To my knowledge to be a director of a private company you need to be a shareholder.

EW has made it no secret that if there are generous rich individuals out there, they can join the board as an associate director. Everybody's case is different so if you want to come on board feel free to get in touch and I'm sure the Chairman will outline whats required!!:rolleyes:

VALAIRIAN 28-01-2009 18:51

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Originally Posted by southernred (Post 673358)
John & others,

To my knowledge to be a director of a private company you need to be a shareholder.

EW has made it no secret that if there are generous rich individuals out there, they can join the board as an associate director. Everybody's case is different so if you want to come on board feel free to get in touch and I'm sure the Chairman will outline whats required!!:rolleyes:

Southern - Could a few of us put some cash in and get involved? or does he just want our cash and not our opinions!!

MCR ADIM 28-01-2009 20:32

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proberly the latter option! :eek:

afrikaaner 28-01-2009 22:01

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When we lived in tenerife during the last 2 seasons accy were in non-league football i travelled over 5 times for home matches.Breakdown is 1/flights average 300 euros = 1500 euros,2/fuel from Devon to accy on those occations approximately £300 3/admission fees to accy £60,4/accomodation in accy overnight £125,total=approximately £1500.Does that classify me as a supporter or fan?God knows what it would cost kiwi john to do that,he may not be able to get to see us play but he still has Accy in his heart,keep the faith kiwi your still a supporter in my eyes mate.


ACCY TILL I DIE.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

mab 28-01-2009 23:10

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:)Found this while i was surfing the net though it right to share it:) A few years after Stanley's resignation, Alan Benson, then the Mayor of Accrington, was interviewed in the Football League Review, and his comments are tinged with a bitter regret: "People do not realise just how important a League club is to a town's status and prestige until it is too late. Accrington was known nationally by reason of its soccer team. When you travelled to another part of the country and mentioned where you were from, people immediately linked Accrington to its football club. Now they say, 'Ah, the town which couldn't keep its football team'. Accrington Stanley could have survived with the proper backing."
Forty years down the line, the matter is irrelevant. But you can learn from mistakes. Today, another Accrington Stanley carries the town's standard in the football world. It isn't the same team that competed in the Football League, but that shouldn't matter. It is still our town's team. Forty years after Accrington lost her Football League status, I can't think of a better commemoration than for all of us - the town together - to make our way to the Crown Ground and take responsibility for the Accrington Stanley we are fortunate to have today.

cashman 28-01-2009 23:18

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a lot in what alan benson said, still have bitter regrets meself, n its a lifetime ago, ta fer that mab.;)

Kiwi John 29-01-2009 07:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by southernred (Post 673358)
John & others,

To my knowledge to be a director of a private company you need to be a shareholder.

EW has made it no secret that if there are generous rich individuals out there, they can join the board as an associate director. Everybody's case is different so if you want to come on board feel free to get in touch and I'm sure the Chairman will outline whats required!!:rolleyes:

Don't know about your laws, but over here and,I believe, in Aus, you most certainly can be a director of a private company WITHOUT holding shares.
( ..someone could always sell Macca 1:D )

Wynonie Harris 29-01-2009 09:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mab (Post 673442)
:)Found this while i was surfing the net though it right to share it:) A few years after Stanley's resignation, Alan Benson, then the Mayor of Accrington, was interviewed in the Football League Review, and his comments are tinged with a bitter regret: "People do not realise just how important a League club is to a town's status and prestige until it is too late. Accrington was known nationally by reason of its soccer team. When you travelled to another part of the country and mentioned where you were from, people immediately linked Accrington to its football club. Now they say, 'Ah, the town which couldn't keep its football team'. Accrington Stanley could have survived with the proper backing."
Forty years down the line, the matter is irrelevant. But you can learn from mistakes. Today, another Accrington Stanley carries the town's standard in the football world. It isn't the same team that competed in the Football League, but that shouldn't matter. It is still our town's team. Forty years after Accrington lost her Football League status, I can't think of a better commemoration than for all of us - the town together - to make our way to the Crown Ground and take responsibility for the Accrington Stanley we are fortunate to have today.

Not 100% sure without looking, but I'm pretty sure that's from Phil Whalley's book. The problem is that the people of Accrington AREN'T making their way to the Crown Ground/FES. Average gates are down again this season (1,577 from 1,634 last season). My personal opinion is that Eric should be looking round for someone to buy the club and invest the sort of money that would make it a more attractive Saturday afternoon option to local football fans. If he's not going to do that, then he should at least be listening to fresh ideas from the likes of Macca. Sitting in the boardroom, asking people to make large-scale investments in order to become "associate directors", and alternately blaming the townspeople for their apathy is NOT going to work!

Bagpuss 29-01-2009 15:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by John_Timmins (Post 673262)
sorry but we prefer to chat about it in the pub than sat at the pc :)

fingers get tired ;)


just stick it back in please lee
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it will end all the problems...honest :rolleyes:

If that's all you have to offer Mr Timmins then carry on chatting in the pub.:rolleyes::cool:

John_Timmins 29-01-2009 17:19

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will do chief!!!

mab 29-01-2009 20:07

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 673494)
Not 100% sure without looking, but I'm pretty sure that's from Phil Whalley's book. The problem is that the people of Accrington AREN'T making their way to the Crown Ground/FES.

:)Just for you Wynonie:) Club hurtles to disaster – Cash-strapped Stanley forced to sell top players - News - Accrington Observer

Wynonie Harris 29-01-2009 21:19

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Sorry, Mab, I KNEW I'd seen it somewhere before. I blame the Alzheimer's...where am I?

Redash 29-01-2009 21:47

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Reading that article, it's just as relevant today as it was in the late fifties/early sixties. The Parallels are uncanny.

mab 29-01-2009 21:58

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Originally Posted by Redash (Post 673692)
Reading that article, it's just as relevant today as it was in the late fifties/early sixties. The Parallels are uncanny.

:confused:Spooky:eek:

VALAIRIAN 31-01-2009 17:00

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Just had a thought (and I could be wrong) I have not seen this 'Event' advertised on the Accy Website!! Wonder how else they are marketing this:confused::confused:

Maybe, just maybe it is a good job that us losers spend our time on this site!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...................:rolleyes:

maccawozzagod 31-01-2009 17:22

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what 'event'?

VALAIRIAN 31-01-2009 17:26

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 674334)
what 'event'?

Sorry I forgot to put this bit in!!


Sportsman's Dinner

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Gents (sorry ladies)

The Directors of ASFC are in the process of organising a Sportsman's Dinner in the Buy the House Lounge (Sportsbar) on Friday 20th of February.

This is an open invite to all fans of the club, with a particular empahise on the exiles to join us on a evening of merriment. ( we were critised on the message board at the last dinner for not offering an open invite)

We have booked Martin Dobson ( ex Burnley, Everton & England) as the guest speaker and Mike Kelly (TV Comic) as the speakers, with a top class 4 course meal.

The idea of a Friday before on home game (v D&R) is that long distance supporters could do the dinner and the match in one weekend. Discounts for the dinner + basic hospitality for the match have been arranged.

The dinner is selling now at £30 per ticket.

PM me on here or leave your details as the FES and we'll be in touch

PS Can this be "stickied" for a while???


Sorry.

maccawozzagod 31-01-2009 17:43

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get signed up Valairian!

VALAIRIAN 31-01-2009 17:47

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 674357)
get signed up Valairian!

Just looking at it at the moment! Got to sort accomodation and it is also half term for the kids......

Bagpuss 31-01-2009 17:50

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 674357)
get signed up Valairian!

When our Junior Eagles Welcome Pack arrives and my badge from YOU!!!:):):)

lancsdave 18-02-2009 09:44

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 672759)
One really worrying thing that has crossed mty mind this week is the FES name. From what I can remember of the limited published details it was a three year deal to name the ground and was for a substantial sum rumoured to be approx £1/4m per year (somebody might find a link to the Telegraph or Observer of the time). This season would be the last of those three years, are they going to renew? Bearing in mind that they pulled out of the shirt sponsorship earlier than we thought they would then I would be inclined to think so.

I would think the renewal is looking quite ominous given the news posted elsehwere on Accyweb about Fraser Eagle

Stanleymad 18-02-2009 09:57

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I would definately think the answer is no - indictions last yr pulling out of the shirts sponsorships & now frazer eagle in trouble financially themselves. It dont rain it pours on the Crown ground unless another sponsor comes forward - which locally i think will be a needle in the haystack job.

K.S.H 18-02-2009 10:43

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want to try and get PEEL holdings and clayton PARK to do a joint sponsorship :)
Posted via Mobile Device

VALAIRIAN 27-03-2009 19:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by afrikaaner (Post 669528)
Does anyone know why the message board has been taken off the main accy website ?




ACCY TILL I DIE.:alright::D:D:D:D:D:D

Thought I would bring this one back, I am hoping that the new peeps (If and when) will deceide to bring this Messageboard back........:)

mab 27-03-2009 19:48

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:( Nop.....Asked the same question today!!:(

Wynonie Harris 27-03-2009 19:59

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Originally Posted by mab (Post 697523)
:( Nop.....Asked the same question today!!:(

How do you know, if we don't know who's taking over?

mab 27-03-2009 20:24

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 697535)
How do you know, if we don't know who's taking over?

:) sent a PM to you:)

Tin Monkey 27-03-2009 20:56

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There is absolutely no need for the club to officially recognise this messageboard. I always believed it was best to keep the two mutually exclusive.

cashman 27-03-2009 21:25

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 697577)
There is absolutely no need for the club to officially recognise this messageboard. I always believed it was best to keep the two mutually exclusive.

that would be all well n dandy,if they kept the official site up to date.:rolleyes: thats one thing they are useless at, good P.R.

Tin Monkey 28-03-2009 07:58

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Sorry Cashy, but I don't understand your point at all. The official site is what it is, as is this forum. There's no need for them to be inter-related at all.

Bagpuss 28-03-2009 08:02

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Originally Posted by mab (Post 697553)
:) sent a PM to you:)

Oooh secrets, I heard Eric had little to do with the link being removed and that it was Rob Heys and Lee who wanted us banished:(

mab 28-03-2009 09:35

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 697666)
Oooh secrets, I heard Eric had little to do with the link being removed and that it was Rob Heys and Lee who wanted us banished:(

:eek:OooooooooooooooooOOPS the secrets out now:(:rolleyes:try and keep it under your hat Bagpuss ;):D:)

maccawozzagod 28-03-2009 09:50

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the link was removed because of a thread on here that contained potentially libellous material. Fair do's if you ask me, although the pop up that declared it is an unofficial message board was sufficient to deflect any legal proceedings.

Put it to bed now - it's gone

Give us the old gree 28-03-2009 10:18

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 697715)
the link was removed because of a thread on here that contained potentially libellous material. Fair do's if you ask me, although the pop up that declared it is an unofficial message board was sufficient to deflect any legal proceedings.

Put it to bed now - it's gone

Well said that man....

cashman 28-03-2009 10:44

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 697663)
Sorry Cashy, but I don't understand your point at all. The official site is what it is, as is this forum. There's no need for them to be inter-related at all.

my point is T.M. that whilst the official site is not updated promptly, fer whatever reason, i think it was a dumb decision to exorcise this site, cos i reckon when ya find out things on here first, some get annoyed n that promotes negative comments I.M.H.O. would have been much better to have the official site brought into the 21st century first. then it would be better all round to have em separate i think.

Stanleymad 28-03-2009 10:54

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 697666)
Oooh secrets, I heard Eric had little to do with the link being removed and that it was Rob Heys and Lee who wanted us banished:(

Thing is that aint true either because i actually received a nice accyweb pm off Rob this week, proves that he is still interested in what goes here or otherwise the response would of been by email or facebook & not here.

Thing with recent developments with sale of club means they have had to distance themselves in view of potential investors, but then im mearely suggesting poss reasons. Once things are signed sealed & delivered may they reconnect with the major fanbase here.

cashman 28-03-2009 11:35

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Originally Posted by Stanleymad (Post 697742)
Thing is that aint true either because i actually received a nice accyweb pm off Rob this week, proves that he is still interested in what goes here or otherwise the response would of been by email or facebook & not here.

Thing with recent developments with sale of club means they have had to distance themselves in view of potential investors, but then im mearely suggesting poss reasons. Once things are signed sealed & delivered may they reconnect with the major fanbase here.

i agree with T.M. to a point, reckon separate is probably fer the best.:)

Tin Monkey 28-03-2009 18:58

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 697762)
i agree with T.M. to a point, reckon separate is probably fer the best.:)

There's a first time for everything. ;)

VALAIRIAN 07-09-2009 18:47

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I knew it would not take long for this to come back....


Link:-

Accrington Stanley :)

maccawozzagod 07-09-2009 18:49

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eh?

VALAIRIAN 07-09-2009 18:51

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Check the link Macca ;) :)

lancsdave 07-09-2009 18:53

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Originally Posted by VALAIRIAN (Post 743125)
I knew it would not take long for this to come back....


Link:-

Accrington Stanley :)


Common sense prevails, and a new brush sweeps clean :)

VALAIRIAN 07-09-2009 18:54

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 743132)
Common sense prevails, and a new brush sweeps clean :)

My thoughts exactly LD :D :D :D

cashman 07-09-2009 19:06

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were is it i cant find it?:confused:

VALAIRIAN 07-09-2009 19:08

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 743142)
were is it i cant find it?:confused:

Along top Cashy :)

lancsdave 07-09-2009 19:08

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 743142)
were is it i cant find it?:confused:


Look at the end button above the word 'here' on the donate banner :)

cashman 07-09-2009 19:16

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Originally Posted by VALAIRIAN (Post 743143)
Along top Cashy :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 743144)
Look at the end button above the word 'here' on the donate banner :)

cheers lads got me bins on now found it.:D

maccawozzagod 07-09-2009 19:23

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ha-ha found it!

yay, we is part of the family again! now no bad mouthing please folks.

lancsdave 07-09-2009 19:37

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 743152)
ha-ha found it!

yay, we is part of the family again! now no bad mouthing please folks.


Cashy's problem was down to old age. what was yours ? :D

Stanleymad 07-09-2009 20:08

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Posted via Mobile Device. See yee of little faith :) nice move in right direction.

cashman 07-09-2009 23:45

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 743161)
Cashy's problem was down to old age. what was yours ? :D

Fair do's Dave Not just owd age, Stupidity as well!:D


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