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Posted via Mobile Device. Illyas, If the osc can be of any help or wish to connect more please do contact us, or let us know on here (accyweb) or on the supporters club website.

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Posted via Mobile Device. The one thing that i dont understand is .. Ilyas is are u offering to buy eric out at a good price why all this debarkle in the press from eric, should be a done deal, or is he holding out for david o'neils consortium to bid up? I dont get the whole sharade eric is doing? Its all very confusing, especially for fans & club being tightlipped.

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he hasnt offered to buy eric out has he... he even states he is not interest6ed in erics shares..

Posted via Mobile Device oh gawd im even more confused.com now lol, run by me in laymens whats the issue please lol

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Bless :)

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Amen.

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Mr Khan, thankyou for your quick reply to the questions that have been posed on this thread.

I,for one, did not expect such open and honest answers, simply because we are not used to it!!

To me,it beggars belief, that as a major shareholder of ASFC, that you have not been kept informed about the clubs financial situation. I was under the impression that it was a legal requirement to hold annual shareholders meetings where such things could be discussed/debated and that the results be published. If I am wrong in this belief then please accept my apologies.

Surely, Eric and the board have got to reconsider sitting down with yourself and other shareholders, if as Eric says, He really does want the best for ASFC, then to my mind ALL possible avenues have to be explored. That said,I am no business man..............maybe thats not the way things work?

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but maybe its the way "Dictators" work.?

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thanks for the prompt and honest answers Mr K.

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Firstly sorry for the delay on contributing to this thread but I have only just logged on.

Secondly thank you Ilyas for your concise and transparent posting, it saves having to read between the lines and shows a true honesty and passion for our little/big club.:)

As Chair of the Osc I would be more than happy to meet up with you either at a OSC meeting or a time and place that would suit yourself to discuss ideas of how we the supporters club can help in any way. We may be relatively small in active numbers but not in passion and love for the club and only want to see the club grow in strength and become more financially sound.

As for the juke box... hmmm I can feel an addition to the next agenda :D

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By the way, is Hong Kong flush with red & white flag making material outlets (Hint Cough Hint)

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Sparkie, and I vote yes by proxy!!!

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A fact to remember is that it was all well known that Eric would step down once he reached the football league. Fair enough he never did untill the price of the club reached fulled maturity. The deal being done is fair to unknown and the club should release some details, because at the moment they are leaving us in the dark about everything. Who is to say it actually is D'ON, who is buying and not some other under-rated businessman. Illyas, thanks for contributing on her. Its good to have some from of Google Page Ranking from the club as we have received more from you then we have from the fishy site.

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Surely Eric would have got the best offers for the club on promotion from the Conference, not three seasons down the line for a relegation dogfighting team with £200k's worth of debt?

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The last accounts submitted to Companies House are for the year ended 31st May 2007. The accounts for the year ended 31st May 2008 should have been submitted by 31st March 2009 but are now marked as 'overdue' The Club could be fined for submitting late.

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As explained the debts are thought to be more 'personal' rather than financial credit. Thus meaning that the club has now a full football league status. However the club fail to own any major assets, with both stadium and training facillitys owned by the council.

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Forgive me Nickelson, but where exactly does anyone say the debts are thought to be more 'personal' rather than financial credit? I may have missed something, but I cant find a statement along those lines in any post on this thread.

We,as fans,have been lied to with regards to the financial situation at Stanley.Continually being told, by those high up, that the club 'owes nothing/no one'. We all know now that this is blatantly untrue. I for one do not like being lied to :mad:

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It was hardly a secret that the club owed money. I don't take much notice of rumours and stories, but I heard all kinds of things about unpaid bills.

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i suspect the debts are more suppliers than 'borrowings'. I just hope that things like the VAT and whatever are paid up as they are the dodgy ones

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So who would we trust, the quick to respond, transparent Mr Khan or the constantly changing pack of lies and misinformation that we are used to getting, and still getting from our Club?:rolleyes:

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the biggest point of a Supporters Trust is that has a better legal standing than an ISA (Independant Supporters Association) or OSC. It has better facility for owning shares and the suchlike and provides better legal standing for its members (max suing for a £1 etc) providing they work within the rules. Beyond that it would function no differently to the existing OSC - and I personally see no reason to change.

There isn't enough funds in the bank to purchase a significant amount of shares (if they were available) and there aren't enough people out there who are willing to help the cause.

Part of the Supporters Trust mandate is to attract and pool the professional talent available to them via the terraces - having joiners, plumbers etc to help around the ground, graphics designers and techies for help with the website, people in sales who can help with attracting this and that. All these things have been asked for via this site and the OSC site and have met with a wall of silence, the offers just aren't there.

Let's say Mr Khan presented the OSC with his £200k offer next month and said 'do with it what you want' How many people would turn up for the following meeting with offers on how to spend it?

Until people are willing to back the OSC and pull their weight then I see no reason to put up a big effort of changing it to an ST. For my part I see that the legal ramifications and responsibilties of running a Supporters Trust would be far more than that of the OSC -and that was tying enough!

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I understand what your saying Rob and of course you are right. It’s frustrating enough not getting to the games let alone anything else, all I can do is offer a few quid now and again and my gratitude for what the OSC does on our (the members) behalf. But if the OSC could raise funds to purchase shares I’ll contribute on the basis that they remain the property of the supporters.

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What's the obsession with owning shares? The OSC could never own enough to influence anything and being a relatively minor shareholder doesn't entitle you to any say in anything anyway.

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with a ST you can nominate your shares to the Trust by proxy. You can retain ownership but the ST gains the power of many.

Eric owns 56%
Ilyas owns 15%

who owns the rest?

but even then, Eric as majority shareholder had the power to veto shareholders, whether he did or not I dont know or care, but he could.

Hopefully any new owner would appreciate the efforts that the other 44% could offer.

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Rob Heys ;)

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Nevertheless TM, as an individual I’d love to own shares in my club just for the shake of it, and you never know, in 44 years time we might even be in the prawn butty and champers league, then they’d be worth a bob or two….

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Its wonderful that the OSC is being highly considered & least recognised for its part we play for the club but just as importantly regardless of the share issue, we need the actual support of the members too in a pro-active way of coming together & coming up with various ways we can help & promote the club with fundraising as we've always done, via memberships via attending meetings & volunteering to help with events & promotions possible - the more voices the more possible so we as a collective fan base get heard & get things in motion. As it stands so far we can only do & raise things with what we have & numbers we have month in month out, at the end of the day its not just about a badge & a card, as many of u saw osc in action - at the exhibition @ the library - at the asda - at the turnstilles for nominations for player[s] of the season. Things get done to the best of our ability & would happily discuss the issue.

Money is 1 thing people power is much another but both equally powerful :D

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Thats a big subject on its own though, less relevant to the Illyas thing IMHO

The OSC could be a 20 page debate Mel .... easy

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Relevant Jase?? Well seems that u brought it up hehee, good enough to do the bidding but not good enough for support in its own right:confused::confused:. As for relevance to Mr Khan - very relevant for his information, for the fans information & what the osc is really about, plus familiarity to the current osc as when he last took opportunity to meet & help the osc was some number of years ago, as has been stated by KP that he was very much key back then & may wish to now, taking opportunity to engage with fans & lets see what Mr khan, Mr O'Neil or any new investor for the club sees as relevant or not.

Tho quite rightly its not a debate about the OSC, but the osc was brought up & mearely putting an osc point across:D

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Its not relevant because no matter how much money Illyas has the OSC needs support Illyas cannot help this. He can bring horses, buckets, water......

However, he cannae make em drink!;)

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I know, but what makes u think that the osc can buy shares then?:rolleyes:

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The conversation about the OSC is very interesting.

A few points that I hope are constructive.

Firstly, I could not agree more that a supporters club is ultimately more important and has more longevity than anything else (apart from the club itself, of course).

Secondly - and here I really have to say that my agreement is just stating the obvious - any SUpporters Club needs to be very actively managed and organised, and that requires people, support and commitment. Could someone send me the articles or manifesto of the existing OSC ?

Thirdly, from my point of view, a supporters club that could make a significant investment in Accy Stanley, is very appealing. To that end, I am very willing to back the OSC with cash if it could get the green light from the club. This is a very serious topic, and probably needs to be followed up by a meeting (not just chit chat), so anyone who can help organise a meeting (you have my email address), would be doing us all a favour. I will wait for a suggestion of times that might work for us.

Fourthly, I think that it would be a bad thing if the supporter's club were simply seen or viewed as "ilyas' organisation". I therefore wish to confirm that I would be hoping to donate cash to the supporter's club, which in turn could be a major investor in the club, but I would play no role in the OSC.

Finally, this (the conversation about the OSC) has nothing to do with my ongoing debate with the club. I have no idea what the club has decided to do about my approach for a meeting, although it does appear that Mr O Neil and Mr Whalley continue to want to complete a transaction. As I have said before, that is upto them, but if the club's status and standing is affected, then all shareholder's will have a say.

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Thanks very much Illyas for your input regarding the osc & echoing the sentiments, our website address is Accrington Stanley - Official Supporters Club for further information about the current osc. Im sure our chairperson will be in touch direct to arrange & discuss further interest & possibilites in due course. Our aims as the osc will maintain its objectives as always & value any input offered:D

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Thanks again for your input Ilyas ... I did post previously (post 110) that I would be happy to meet up and discuss options of where the OSC can help if at all.... but as you rightly point out, the osc is only as good as it's active members and the time they can contribute to the cause.

We have our AGM on the Monday 11th May but would be happy to meet up before then.

Lesley, Chair OSC

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Great reply MCR....

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Harwood, when you say "we" have the AGM on May 11th, are you referring to OSC or Accrington Stanley the club ? I will try to get up for the AGM (whichever one it is !), but at this point I cant commit to that date.

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It will be the Supporters Club Ilyas.

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as Lindsay pointed out it is the OSC's AGM on 11th May

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ya got mail :D

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How is the "Buy Out" - "Take over" thing going at the moment ?? Things seem to have gone quiet.....

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its no good asking Ilyas Valairian, they won't talk to him.:D

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True but untill the take-over happens Coley can not offer contracts meaning more time for other clubs to come in and pick up our best players for £0

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agree but since when did doing owt right come into play.:confused:

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Anybody who is out of contract has a value of £0 anyway ;)

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Good Afternoon everyone.

I am afraid that there has been no formal response to my letter or my follow ups. I am not surprised at this (and neither should anyone else), but I am, of course, saddened by the way things appear to be heading. The only facts that are certain are that Mr Whalley, despite all the obvious credit that must accrue to him for the positive contribution he has made, seems increasingly keen to sell, whilst at the same time Mr O Neil has not been able to complete the acquisition.

I will send another follow up letter today, and I promise to maintain transparency of action and intent via this bulletin board.

Ilyas

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Thankyou for the update Ilyas, it is very much appreciated.

I,for one, still cannot understand why our 'esteemed' Chairman will not open discusions with You and other shareholders,and to not even aknowledge your correspondance and subsequant followups,is in my opinion,insulting to say the least.

If Mr O'Neil is struggling to get the finance in place ( pure guess on my part ), then He should step aside and allow the 'other',as yet un-named 'interested party' to come to the table.............only my opinion I hasten to add!

Lets go into the closed season knowing where the club stands and with a clear idea of what the future holds.................Please!

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I for one can not believe what is going on ???? :confused: I was happy (For the club, thinking that new monies would help us to go forwards :)) When I heard that Eric was about to move on (After doing what some may say was the impossible) and we were going to have new blood, more cash and fresh ideas :) But now, weeks down the line we are no further down the line, closed season upon us and not knowing which direction we are heading!!! Come on Stanley get it sorted out before its too late and the horse has bolted. We need this wrapping up so Coley and his Team can move forwards with the signing of players and contracts..... Come on Eric, PLEASE :eek::eek:

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Ilyas, I know the answer is probably NO :rolleyes: But is there anything we the fans can do to help (O.S.C. - Fans - Accyweb - Ultras - Shareholders - People who just care about Stanley!) Anything at all. If there is please please let us know .....:) And as stated previously...

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Currently - Eric own the club
If plan A goes ahead - David owns the club

If a reissue of shares is made as per Ilyas idea (and he buys 200k without buying ownership or the majority).. He says he doesnt want to own the club and happy for david to run it... But that means Eric still owns the club and he no longer wishes that to be the case.

1) Eric wants to sell so doesnt want to own the club

2) Ilyas has stated quite clearly that he doesn't want to own or run the club

3) David seems to be the only one who wants to own it (Although I would ahve it if they are giving it away)


So what exactly does everyuone want to happen that can keep everyone happy?

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[quote=K-P;706276]Currently - Eric own the club
If plan A goes ahead - David owns the club

If a reissue of shares is made as per Ilyas idea (and he buys 200k without buying ownership or the majority).. He says he doesnt want to own the club and happy for david to run it... But that means Eric still owns the club and he no longer wishes that to be the case.

1) Eric wants to sell so doesnt want to own the club

2) Ilyas has stated quite clearly that he doesn't want to own or run the club

3) David seems to be the only one who wants to own it (Although I would ahve it if they are giving it away)


So what exactly does everyuone want to happen that can keep everyone happy?[/quote]


Just over a fortnight ago, Eric was quoted in the local press saying that another un named bidder had come forward with an offer, I for one would welcome finding out who that may be(however I somehow doubt we will!), or at the very least an update on progress,if any,made.

As I stated in my post, it would be good to go into the closed season knowing where the club stands,re ownership, and a rough idea of what the future holds.

These two points would make me happy!

KP, I know that you have nothing but the best intentions re ASFC because I know you personaly,however you dont half set the cat amongst the pidgeons at times on here (which you clearly enjoy btw!), but surely even an old cinic like yourself (sic) would like to know whats going on?

Peace and love as always!!:theband:

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messageboard wouldnt be any fun at all for me if i didnt... every post I make is designed to get a reaction :)

I dont care too much about the behind the scenes stuff as all the possibilities dont amount to millions in the bank for players... personally i would prefer Ilyas to own the club.. he has been around a long time (not calling him old.. you know what i mean) and has proved IMHO what he says about his money and the club.. his interest is the club.. not making money.. just making the club what it should be.. but i cant effect that so...

To be perfectly honest i have the same worry about the club as I have had for the last few months... why no seats in the clayton end yet? 8 working days left then we are out of the league if not finished :(

Also if you where thinking of investing in the club wouldnt you wait until the seats are in and we have the all clear for next season before you commited?

BTW Pete you amde the question a nice bright colour.. but didnt answer it :)

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Just incase you missed it first time!!!:D


As for the rest of your post, you and I are definatley singing from the same hymn book, I too would love for Ilyas to step in, however thats not going to happen for the reasons stated by the Man himself, and all credit to Him for being so open about it.............but we can dream cant we!!?

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I thought that the second person was Ilyas ???? If it isn't then????? :confused:

K-P, over to you..:):D

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But Ilyas says he doesnt want to buy the club.. so it cant be him..

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Is the statement "I do not want to own the club" not just to not put people's noses out of place i.e. The D ON ? Could it not mean - at the end of the day I (I K) want what is best for the club, that said if it means D ON incharge and me behind the scenes. Surlely he would not mind owning the club if that was the best thing for Stanley... :) Just a thought.........

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I meant what could ahppen to keep the three main parties happy.. Eric, David and Ilyas... Not you! :)

PS ..Not that your happiness doesnt mean a lot to me of course.... oh hum :)

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Ask him ........he doesnt bite :)

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The statement as I remember it from E W on the tv was :- Just had a text from somebody saying "Do not do anything until you have spoken to me" does not mean they wanted to buy! But, maybe just wanted to invest in the club in some way.....:):)

Apologies in advance if i've got it wrong, but thought that what he said.....:)

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You might want to mention that when asking the questions.. you presume I watched that.. I didnt.. I am guessing others didnt and others did..

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Why did I not think of that????? :dork::);)

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Two things am worried about

1. Longer this take-over takes to complete - More time other clubs have a chance to come in and offer contracts to the likes of Edwards/Kenny/Jimmy/Procter/Turner. I for one would be unhappy if this happened as we would get no cash for them and we have got a good team to build on this year.

2. How it seems the club are ignoring someone who wants to invest money into the club and has openly said he will put £200k in! Surely £200k is better than nothing, They could atleast reply to his letters even by email, only takes a few seconds.

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i'm with you on this, but not worried, DISGUSTED.:(

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It's my understanding that as long as we offer the players new contracts, we are owed compensation if they decide to join another club.

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I thought that Ilyas had said that although he didn't particularly want to own the club, he would step in if The Do'ns bid failed?

IMHO the best bet would be for The Do'n to carry on and then for Ilyas to buy up everything else and become 2nd majority shareholder. At that point they should both sit down and thrash out a five year plan as to what they both want from the club and how best to acheive that. Once that is finalised then it's time for an open and honest (start as you mean to go on?) public forum as to how best to move forward. Involve the various Supporters Groups and we can all work together towards specific goals.

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Khan would be prepared to purchase Whalley’s shares if a satisfactory deal fails to occur, saying: “If David has not got the money, or has lost the bottle – then I will step up.”

Lancashire Telegraph interview, link on page 1 of this thread.

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Good post Macca :), common sense prevailing... ;):)

Surely that can't be right because what if the players do not agree with it i would of thought they would have to sign before we get compensation

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What would the players disagree with?

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Terms and conditions, i.e. wages for one. Plus Rob Heys has said there will be a new pay structure in place next season, less wage but bigger bonuses, but how big if we do not know how much money???? But I do think it strange that we only have to offer a contract, but stranger things do happen :):)

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It doesn't matter if the players reject the contract.
As long as we offer the players new contracts, the club is due compensation if the players decide to join another club.

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Theres already agents etc sniffing round a player! (Hes told me himself and their agents front high clubs!).
We need to get are best players singed up, immediately! Its as simple as that!

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If the Club doesn't hurry up and lodge their accounts and Annual Return there will not be a Company to sell. The Accounts were due to be lodged at Companies House on 31st March and are now marked 'overdue' and the Annual Return was due to be lodged on 14th December 2008 and is now marked 'overdue'. The Company is now marked as 'Proposal to strike off'
WebCHeck - Select and Access Company Information

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I have received a fair number of private emails in addition to the questions and queries being pondered in this forum. Since some of the private questions are not only similar to each other (as well as being similar to questions posed on teh forum), but also from people in this forum, I thought it would save time (as well continuing the practice of transparency) if I replied in this manner.

1. I do not know who Mr Whalley was referring to when he said there was another buyer of his shares. On the basis of everything that I am aware of, I do not think there is another buyer. I have no factual evidence to explain why Mr Whalley made those claims.

2. I do not know the status of Mr O'Neil's offer to buy Mr Whalley's shares.

3. I remain prepared and willing (and able) to invest £200,000 into the club. I stress, here, that I am not interested in buying anyone's shares, but in putting money into the club where it is needed.

4. Yesterday evening (by which I mean Monday April 20th) I sent a follow up letter to the club and all the directors. I reminded them that I had not yet recieved any reply to my earlier correspondence. I also repeated my offer to invest cash into the club. In addition, I have asked the club to clarify its financial position with respect to its major creditors. Specifically I have asked, as a shareholder, for information on exactly how much money is also needed by the club to pay for essential capital expenditure (for example the seating).

5. I am very much aware of the delay in the filing of the accounts. This is a serious matter, and symptomatic of the various issues that the board of directors seem to be facing. I have no real sense of the reasons for the delay, nor of the remedial action that has to be taken in order to ensure that the club does not face any problems.

6. I wish I had the expertise to "own and run" the club. But I dont. I am painfully aware that in clubs such as ASFC, the Chairman needs to be very much a hands on executive. However, whilst I have no ability or ambition to run the club, I do understand and accept that if the situation demands, then I may need to take up a more significant equity position but work with someone else who could be the equivalent of Mr. Whalley (assuming he is no longer involved). The problem with this line of thought is that it becomes entirely speculative, with too many "ifs" and "buts" to have any sensible bearing. I therefore hope you will all understand if I cant say more. Its not that I dont want to say more, its just that the questions become so hypothetical that they can easily be misunderstood - which is not in anyone's interests.

I close with two points. Firstly that Mr Whalley is still the Chairman and majority shareholder. All decisions at the club have been his, and remain his until we hear otherwise. Related to this point, I wish Mr O Neil the best of luck in buying Mr Whalley's shares, and have no interest or opinion on that transaction.

Secondly, my interests are focused on the club, and exclusively so. I share the disquiet that many of you feel about the events of the past few months.

As always, any opinions expressed here are only mine, and mine alone. If I am wrong, or have offended someone, please accept my apology. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you wish to clarify any point or take issue with anything I say.

Ilyas

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:) Well put Ilyas and thank you for your imput,welcome as always :)

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agreed n i regard that simple fact the club has not responded to ilyas as n insult to a shareholder also to the ordinary fan.:( as i said before, talking costs nowt.:mad:

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Makes for an interesting read MCR, but I find myself questioning,rightly or wrongly, the 'truth' behind this. I would rather hear it from the Man Himself as we all know that transparency is not a strong point at ASFC atm!

I still dont understand why Eric WONT meet with the Guy, surely there has to be some common ground which can bring them together for the good of the club?

Untill this unseemly mess is sorted then how can the club sort out contracts for the players etc...........I cant see how they can, which leaves us in a position whereby those out of contract can just move on.........slightly worrying dont you think?

Of course I could be completely wrong and things are'nt as bad as they seem...............Oh how I hope so!!

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Yes I agree U.K. Rob Heys does say in todays L.E.T. that he has spoken to Iiyas several times in the past three weeks. I hope that Ilyas backs up or refutes the story, as there is a lack of transparency in the club.

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Agreed, I'd really like to hear Ilyas's take on this...Really hope he does get involved, though!

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Hello there chaps. My attention was drawn to the comments made in the past hour or so, and having read the posts (thank you again for all the comments), I think its easier to respond so that you can all see the same message at the same time.

So, first of all, here is a run down of communication:

Its now been a week since I sent my second letter. I have not had a reply from the club to either my first or my second letter.

You should be aware that Mr O Neil sent me an email on April 3rd, but that did not cover any ground that is relevant to my offer to invest in the club. He asked and implied that the contents of his message remain private, so I will respect that request, but I can assure you that the email did not shed any light on things that actually matter - ie the financing of the club's day to day activities or its position with creditors. I replied to Mr O'Neil, who said he would "get back to me", but that has not yet happened.

Separate to that I have spoken to Rob (he is correct in this regard), on two occasions on the phone, but these conversations have all been about my confirming that I have written to the club, and asking for a formal reply. Rob has, on two separate occasions, confirmed that "they" will "get back to me", but as we all know, Rob is not a decision maker, and can only follow orders. So it is true that Rob has spoken to me, but I must be very honest and say that it (the conversation) was entirely administrative in the first occasion, and somewhat repetitive on the second occasion.

If the Club refuses to reply, then I do have the option of asking for a shareholder's meeting. This alternative, which is quite formal and legalistic, is a last resort. At this point I have assumed that Mr Whalley will, at some point, complete the sale of his shares to Mr O'Neil, and that might be the trigger for a more meaningful development.

I am very conscious that in sending this reply I am answering the questions rather mechanically, and probably not addressing the real issue of "what is going on ?"

If I knew, for sure, and could confirm or corroborate facts, then I would post a longer detailed reply that might address that question. At this point I have quite a few opinions, some of them probably close to the truth, but if I were to post them or comment on them, I would be doing you all a dis-service by being speculative.

If I have missed anything in this post, then please say so, either on the forum, or by contacting me directly.

Ilyas
(currently in London)

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Certainly, some food for thought there...thanks for keeping us in the picture as much as possible, Ilyas.

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ta fer the update Ilyas, interesting it confirms (to me anyway) the reason i think Whalley will not meet or talk with ya.:rolleyes:

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Mr Khan, thank you again for being so forthright and quick with your reply, it seems that my suspicions were somewhat correct,such a shame.

I,and Im sure many others, await further developments in this sorry affair.

Again thank you.

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Whilst I'm in no position to judge anyone, I do think that we need to be aware that we're only getting one side of a multi-sided story here.

I'm not casting assertions, but none of us are in full possession of the whole story and I think we need to be aware of that.

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What (If it is possible to say :confused:) does it confirm to you Cashy ?? :):)

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I agree with you TM , that we are presented with only one set of facts, but since we are getting little or no info from the Club it doesn't exactly cast them in a good light. I would repeat my assertion that Mr Khan is a good and trustworthy man who would be a fantastic benefactor to the club, it's a tragedy that the powers that be can't bring themselves to at least sit down and talk to the man!

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think its best left valairian. but i know fer fact i am not alone in my thoughts.;)

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Fair enough Cashy :):D I respect your thoughts.....;):)

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I think FA rules regarding the movement of any player under the age of 24 says that should a player be offered a new contract with his club at the end of a previous contract, then any club wishing to sign that player will then be eligable to pay compensation to his former club.

so say one of our first year pros (chris, bobby etc.) gets offered a contract by another team, that team will have to pay us compensation providing we have offered that player a contract.


Or at least thats my understanding of the situation!!!!:D

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Have a read, it's all on the FA website.

(j) Agreements Between Club & Players3
(i) Clubs must enter into a written contract of employment with their Players on the
relevant form approved by The Association, known as a “Form of Agreement”
(Rule C1), with or without an option. Such contracts must clearly indicate all the
terms and conditions of employment, be of stated duration and signed at the
same time as a relevant registration Form “G” (in such form as shall be published
by The Association from time to time). A copy of the contract of employment
must be handed to the Player at the time of signing both documents. Contracts of
employment signed by Players who are under the age of 18 at the time of signing
must also be signed by a parent or guardian.
(ii) There shall be no right to a compensation or transfer fee by the previous Club of
a Player who has attained the age of 24 years on or before 30th June and whose
contract with that Club has expired. If a Club wishes to offer re-engagement to a
Player or exercise an option contained in the agreement the following practice
shall prevail.
(iii) Within 7 days of the first Saturday in May, or the date of the last competitive
Match of the Club’s first team, whichever is the later, the Club must give notice in
writing to the Player indicating that either the Club offers a re-engagement or, if
appropriate, exercises any option contained in the agreement.
(iv) If the notice offers re-engagement it must specify the period which the Club is
prepared to agree and the terms and conditions to apply, which must be the same
or not less favourable overall than those which applied during the initial period of
employment – or the option period (if applicable).
(v) The Player must notify in writing the Club holding the registration within 28 days
of receipt of the said notice whether or not the offer of re-engagement is
accepted.
(vi) If the offer is rejected the Player is immediately free to negotiate with another
Club.
(vii) If the Player does not reply in writing to the offer of re-engagement then at the
expiry of a period of 28 days, the Player is free to negotiate with another Club.
(viii) In either of the instances as set out in Rules C1(j)(vi) and (vii) above, the Club
holding the Player’s registration has the right to receive compensation. The
Player’s registration for the new Club will not be accepted until such time as the
Club has confirmed in writing to The Association that it will negotiate a
compensation fee with the former Club failing which it will abide by any decision
taken by an appeal committee comprising those persons pursuant to Rule
C1(j)(xii) (a “League Appeals Committee”).
(ix) An existing agreement shall continue and have full force and effect between the
parties on the terms and conditions as those pertaining prior to the expiration of
the initial period of employment, or the option period if appropriate, and the
Player will continue to train and play as instructed by the Club until 31st August,
or the date on which the Player registers for another Club, whichever is the
sooner.
(x) In the event of the Player continuing to play for the Club after the 31st August, a
week-to-week agreement must be completed and submitted to The Association
under which the Player will continue to be paid in accordance with the terms of
the existing agreement.

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:confused: yep that about somes it up for me:rolleyes::)

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Sometimes, saying nothing is the right thing. Sometimes it's better to say nothing, rather than splashing it all over the internet and the (local) media.

Just my opinion of course :)

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i agree it is, many fans are concerned about the clubs position at the moment, and to disregard a guy with dosh, i fail to see how "Silence Is Golden" in this instance T.M.:)

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Bump, I feel this thread shouldnt be allowed to slip off the front page :)

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Just bumping this back up and will continue to do so until the club gives a sensible answer as to why they are ignoring a well-intentioned, lifelong fan who wants to put money in.

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You do right, Wynonie, but I think the clue is in the word, fan.

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Must say, this apparent ignoring of Mr Khan by ACCRINGTON STANLEY FOOTBALL CLUB Ltd. flies in the face of common sense,business savy and good old fashioned courtesy.
Love to know the reason....

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It was in the paper that the club are in conversation with him, once the takeover is sorted then they will sit down properly & discuss....

Rob Heys comes to Ultrasfootball training on a Thursday night if you want it straight from the horses mouth. 9pm....

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Not much of a "conversation", but hopefully, David O'Neill will be in a more meaningful conversation with him, when the takeover's completed!

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I wish they would sort the sale asap, obviously to the right man or contigents for the clubs heart, least important matter of the clubs running & future be sorted.