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Haggis316 12-04-2009 07:49

Chester "3 Figure Crowd Feared"!
 
Today's Independent:

"Accrington fans go off
Accrington Stanley, best known for the 1980s "who are they?" milk advert, fear a new claim to fame tomorrow: a crowd numbered in three figures. The attendance against fellow strugglers Chester is expected to be the Football League's lowest since 849 saw Wimbledon play Rotherham in 2002."

Outside the Box: Fabio's world to cave in as TV shakes up Champions' League - News & Comment, Football - The Independent

mab 12-04-2009 07:59

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I'd be surprised if we did drop below 1000 for this game even with whats gone on over the last week,after yesterdays giant effort by the team,with d2 footie next season assured

maccawozzagod 12-04-2009 08:02

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and the expected hundreds coming from Wales?

Tin Monkey 12-04-2009 08:04

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If it's 'expected' to be a very low crowd, why have the police moved the kick-off time? ;)

I'd be very surprised if it was under 1000 tomorrow. I reckon these so-called 'stay away fans' are in a minority and their absence will hardly be noticed.

Outback Ozzy 12-04-2009 08:48

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From what I have heard, there will be at least 400 from Chester, maybe more, and at the very least, Stanley will have the diehard 900 their. IMHO I think there may be more than 2,000 on tomorrow, Chester need the win, but the world will be watching in case we field a weakened team. I feel the club have boxed themselves into a corner here and will need to field the strongest possible team so that others cannot accuse us of fielding a weaker side to give Chester an advantage. Also, after reading some of the Grimsby match threads, Wiilliams and Cav were 2 of our best players yesterday, so what the hell, give them the benefit of the doubt - their time will come on the 23rd of this month.

Haggis316 12-04-2009 09:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Outback Ozzy (Post 703596)
Also, after reading some of the Grimsby match threads, Wiilliams and Cav were 2 of our best players yesterday, so what the hell, give them the benefit of the doubt - their time will come on the 23rd of this month.

Cav had a heart stopping moment where a clearance was sliced but Kenny was alert to catch it, and, at times, Akpro was a bit more dangerous on their right wing than I would have liked but apart from that they both had excellent games.

The whole back 4 played very well indeed.

One Grimsby fan was wishing they had signed Colin Murdock in the summer when he was available.

K-P 12-04-2009 09:37

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as tm says.. how can you expect a big crowd and move the KO time then expect a record breaking low crowd.... someones having a laff :( personally i think we have had the wool pulled over our eyes re the KO time.... Chester have no record for trouble at any game H/A this season... so I wonder whats going on?

jaysay 12-04-2009 09:52

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So this story was in the Independent, never looked on this paper as a hot bed for football journalism myself, or for anything else for that matter :D

theresonlyoneaccy 12-04-2009 15:47

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Probably stopping Cav and Rocky going to the bookies before hand!

cashman 12-04-2009 15:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 703588)
If it's 'expected' to be a very low crowd, why have the police moved the kick-off time? ;)

I'd be very surprised if it was under 1000 tomorrow. I reckon these so-called 'stay away fans' are in a minority and their absence will hardly be noticed.

i agree with tin monkey n i am one who will stay away. but agree there are very few folk with principals.:D;)

MCR ADIM 12-04-2009 16:04

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The stay away fans will be gutted come 4.45 after we have played chester with the sun shineing over the F.E.S! Getting 3pts and playing some of the best football yet! I am looking foward to tomorrows game after saturdays result.

rishton 12-04-2009 16:09

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Weather true or not I have heard the the gate has dropped below a thounsand this season but they have added extra on the gate to stop us making history with a 3 figure gate.

cashman 12-04-2009 16:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 703700)
The stay away fans will be gutted come 4.45 after we have played chester with the sun shineing over the F.E.S! Getting 3pts and playing some of the best football yet! I am looking foward to tomorrows game after saturdays result.

Wrong MCR i will not be gutted, of course i want stanley to stuff Chester, but i can happily live with meself by refusing to pay good money to watch people who should be suspended IMHO.:)

Tin Monkey 12-04-2009 16:32

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It's nothing to do with principals. It's all to do with being a Stanley fan. I support Stanley and have done for over 30 years. Individuals come and go, but the club rolls on.

I'll be there tomorrow and so will the vast majority of true fans, because we support the club and the team. I can see no sense with staying away from games just because you don't agree with something the club has decided is in its best interests and in the light of some careful consideration. It's more like throwing your toys out of the pram because you don't get your own way.

cashman 12-04-2009 16:55

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disagree T.M. but then most people would not know a principal if it smacked em in the chops.:rolleyes: P.S. happy birthday.

Willie Miller 12-04-2009 16:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 703707)
It's nothing to do with principals. It's all to do with being a Stanley fan. I support Stanley and have done for over 30 years. Individuals come and go, but the club rolls on.

I'll be there tomorrow and so will the vast majority of true fans, because we support the club and the team. I can see no sense with staying away from games just because you don't agree with something the club has decided is in its best interests and in the light of some careful consideration. It's more like throwing your toys out of the pram because you don't get your own way.

I agree, but also think in Cashy's case it is a matter of prinicipal. Thats up to him. However, the 1,000 or so who have "gone AWOL"...... their excuses never cease to amaze me.......

Just admit you liked the fact we were winning all the time in the Conf. No big deal.

Stanley till I die!

Tin Monkey 12-04-2009 17:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 703717)
disagree T.M. but then most people would not know a principal if it smacked em in the chops.:rolleyes: P.S. happy birthday.

I do not agree that this is a matter of principle either, but I've already said what I wanted to on the subject.

Thanks for the birthday wishes. ;)

lancsdave 12-04-2009 17:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 703700)
The stay away fans will be gutted come 4.45 after we have played chester with the sun shineing over the F.E.S! Getting 3pts and playing some of the best football yet! I am looking foward to tomorrows game after saturdays result.

For those who don't go there are various ways of finding out the score at 2.45, no need to wait a couple of hours longer :D

Chester fan 12-04-2009 17:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K-P (Post 703611)
as tm says.. how can you expect a big crowd and move the KO time then expect a record breaking low crowd.... someones having a laff :( personally i think we have had the wool pulled over our eyes re the KO time.... Chester have no record for trouble at any game H/A this season... so I wonder whats going on?

There has been a bit of trouble at 3 recent away games to be honest. Barnet where the Chester fans ran through segregation when we scored, Bury there was trouble after the game and Notts County last week where Chester fans got into a scuffle with stewards and police. Today's Chester Chronicle front page - Deva Chat - Chester City Fans Forum

Mr Matthew 12-04-2009 17:43

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If more fans stuck to their principles like cashy, then maybe the club would have to take note and listen. But not enough people are cut from the same cloth (shame).

What happened to the good ole fashioned british grit and determination.

But due to the fact that less than 5% (estimated) of fans will stay away, nothing will be acheived.

A mass exodus is what's needed.

I for one applaud you cashy.

cashman 12-04-2009 17:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 703717)
disagree T.M. but then most people would not know a principal if it smacked em in the chops.:rolleyes: P.S. happy birthday.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 703720)
I do not agree that this is a matter of principle either, but I've already said what I wanted to on the subject.

Thanks for the birthday wishes. ;)

i rest my case.:D

lancsdave 12-04-2009 18:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Matthew (Post 703733)
If more fans stuck to their principles like cashy, then maybe the club would have to take note and listen.

This is where football clubs have fans by the short and curly's. Most clubs know they can do as they please and there will still be fans turning up.

Stanleymad 12-04-2009 18:21

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Posted via Mobile Device. Im not stayin away i already paid with season ticket! So on that basis is another principle, tho one has to make the most of her season ticket as not got one for next year.

Willie Miller 12-04-2009 18:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Matthew (Post 703733)
A mass exodus is what's needed.

Sat in your armchair won't help ASFC. Make a stand in the ground, speak to John & Jimmy & Eric after the game, they are almost always in the Crown after. Turn your back, jeer, moan....

Decision's been made, players (the accused) played for the shirt in Grimsby & got us 3 points.

I, like TM, just think your mini protest at home will be pointless. Castigating folk for going is silly

Doug 12-04-2009 19:22

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Bloody marvellous, the only game this season that I can make and they change the bloody time….I don’t finish work until 1.30 and it will take me 40 minutes to get there…..****

Doug 12-04-2009 19:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Willie Miller (Post 703745)
Sat in your armchair won't help ASFC. Make a stand in the ground, speak to John & Jimmy & Eric after the game, they are almost always in the Crown after. Turn your back, jeer, moan....

Decision's been made, players (the accused) played for the shirt in Grimsby & got us 3 points.

I, like TM, just think your mini protest at home will be pointless. Castigating folk for going is silly

Agreed......

I think some form of disapproval should be metered at the “William Hill Two” and I still hold with the suspension option for misconduct; if one of them had put a hand on some girls arse in the office they would be. However, Once the whistle sounds for the off every single Stanley Fan should be behind the lads on the pitch until the final whistle. Slight change of opinion I know, but it’s a team effort and if the rest of the players back them on the pitch, so should we.

Tin Monkey 12-04-2009 19:43

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Across the country there will be loads of footballers placing bets on games and anyone who believes otherwise are deluded. Just because these few have been caught doesn't mean that they're the only ones.

I think many people are confused between betting and match-fixing. Loads of fans like to have a bet on games and will often bet against their own teams if they believe that there's a chance they'll win a few quid. It doesn't mean that they want their teams to lose, just edging their bets. There'll be bets being placed by footballers from the Premiership downwards, every week of every season. We just aren't aware of it.

If there hadn't been a load of 'outside' money placed on this game, then there'd never have been an investigation and we'd never have been any wiser.

cashman 12-04-2009 21:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 703755)
Across the country there will be loads of footballers placing bets on games and anyone who believes otherwise are deluded. Just because these few have been caught doesn't mean that they're the only ones.

I think many people are confused between betting and match-fixing. Loads of fans like to have a bet on games and will often bet against their own teams if they believe that there's a chance they'll win a few quid. It doesn't mean that they want their teams to lose, just edging their bets. There'll be bets being placed by footballers from the Premiership downwards, every week of every season. We just aren't aware of it.

If there hadn't been a load of 'outside' money placed on this game, then there'd never have been an investigation and we'd never have been any wiser.

that is perfectly true as far as i know, but the whole point to me T.M. is simple, if someone places a bet against their own side, only a fool would believe they will give 100% fer the cause, more so if theres a couple of grand involved, players playing crap,i can live with, but that accusation is summat else.

Tin Monkey 12-04-2009 22:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 703808)
that is perfectly true as far as i know, but the whole point to me T.M. is simple, if someone places a bet against their own side, only a fool would believe they will give 100% fer the cause, more so if theres a couple of grand involved, players playing crap,i can live with, but that accusation is summat else.

But a £5 bet as part of an accumulator? Come on!!! It wouldn't surprise me if it transpired that Cav's bet was a regular thing. Something that happened every week. I have no idea of course, but I know someone (just a normal bloke, nothing to do with the club) who has a regular bet that involves Stanley losing as part of an accumulator. It is meaningless.

Betting a few thousands does sound more serious, but it's all relative. If you can afford it, then 1, 2 or 4 thousand pounds may not be a lot of money, especially if the bet is virtually a 'sure thing'.

I'm going to bow out now, as we're getting nowhere with all this. If people want to come, they will. I just think that a small minority are massively over-reacting to this situation. It's not the massive deal that some people seem to think it is.

cashman 12-04-2009 22:22

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well if its over-reacting n meaningless then why is it against the rules n they have been charged?:confused: ya got me beat with that!

Tin Monkey 12-04-2009 22:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 703815)
well if its over-reacting n meaningless then why is it against the rules n they have been charged?:confused: ya got me beat with that!

I think you've misunderstood me. The meaningless comment was related to the bloke's weekly bet. It wasn't a comment about this situation. The point I was making was that to this bloke I know, he has a regular bet that involves Stanley losing. He doesn't wish the club any harm. It's just something he does.

As for the over-reaction comment, well I believe that the tiny minority on here (and a couple of other places) are over-reacting to the situation. The players involved will be punished by the FA and that will have a knock-on effect for the rest of their careers (and possibly lives). We're not talking about fixing matches. We're talking about a bet, something that loads of other players will do on a regular basis. I don't feel cheated and I don't feel let down. They will be punished by the proper authorities and I don't really see the point in demanding that they be publicly flogged too.

Hope that clears things up. :)

Stanleymad 12-04-2009 22:35

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Posted via Mobile Device. The amount is irrelevant whether a fiver or 5 million, a bets a bet & was still wrong to do it.

shakermaker 12-04-2009 22:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 703814)
But a £5 bet as part of an accumulator? Come on!!! It wouldn't surprise me if it transpired that Cav's bet was a regular thing. Something that happened every week. I have no idea of course, but I know someone (just a normal bloke, nothing to do with the club) who has a regular bet that involves Stanley losing as part of an accumulator. It is meaningless.

Betting a few thousands does sound more serious, but it's all relative. If you can afford it, then 1, 2 or 4 thousand pounds may not be a lot of money, especially if the bet is virtually a 'sure thing'.

I'm going to bow out now, as we're getting nowhere with all this. If people want to come, they will. I just think that a small minority are massively over-reacting to this situation. It's not the massive deal that some people seem to think it is.

Must say I completely agree.

cashman 12-04-2009 22:37

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sorry fer mis understanding yer meaning, i feel cheated, i cannot reconcile that someone with a few grand on is giving 100%, to me no matter how ya dress a monkey up, its a monkey, same with a cheat.

Stanleymad 12-04-2009 22:42

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Posted via Mobile Device. Now know why cav always had a paper to read. Sorry i shall agree with the findings from the case by the fa & take it from there but still believe they shouldnt be playing, as par with employment law of the rest of the working world. Thats the point people have issue with.

Tin Monkey 12-04-2009 22:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stanleymad (Post 703819)
Posted via Mobile Device. The amount is irrelevant whether a fiver or 5 million, a bets a bet & was still wrong to do it.

I don't think anyone is saying that it wasn't wrong, but I'll let the FA make the decision on the situation and not 'demand' that the club suspends them or else!!

I think the most pathetic comment I've read on the matter was the one about asking for a refund on a season ticket. That kind of thinking simply astounds me. Some people really need to get a grip.

cashman 12-04-2009 22:57

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i shall certainly not be asking fer a refund. i fail to see why the footballing profession should be different to any other, thats my beef pure n simple. they are not gods just workers in a profession most fans would love to have been good enough.

Bagpuss 13-04-2009 10:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 703818)
We're not talking about fixing matches. We're talking about a bet

No, we are talking about 5 or 6 players betting on the same game, not just a guy having a weekly punt. Some of these players had a big influence on what the score was so you can't help thinking they could have fixed it. As they haven't been charged with fixing the match we can only speculate but what would you say if some of these bets where on the correct score?

JEFF 13-04-2009 10:42

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I too think that they should not play, but would that be fair on Grimsby and Bournemouth for Stanley to play a weakened team? I think we would create a few more enemies by not playing them. Let the FA punish them and then Stanley can hand out their own punishment, hopefully by not renewing their contracts.

harwood red 13-04-2009 10:51

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regardless of whats going on re: betting scandal. I don't believe we will drop down into 3 figures attendance... Bank hol, travelling chester fans and a sunny day... nah I reckon more like 1500

Revived Red 13-04-2009 11:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 703874)
As they haven't been charged with fixing the match we can only speculate but what would you say if some of these bets where on the correct score?

I may be wrong but I seem to recall that it was said at the time that some of the bets were indeed on the correct score.

Tommy McQueen 14-04-2009 11:25

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Anyone know why the official attendance on teletext and ceefax is given as 1100, whilst on the fishy site fixtures given as 1348, strange or what?

yerself 14-04-2009 11:31

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[QUOTETommy McQueen]Anyone know why the official attendance on teletext and ceefax is given as 1100, whilst on the fishy site fixtures given as 1348, strange or what?[/QUOTE]

I'm sure Bagpuss will enlighten us.:D:D

MCR ADIM 14-04-2009 11:44

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In the telegraph today it says 1348.

cashman 14-04-2009 11:59

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also in telegraph today is a picture of the banner displayed, well done to whoever designed it. cos its spot on. shame those who run the club, don't share those sentiments.:(

Bagpuss 14-04-2009 14:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yerself (Post 704172)
[QUOTETommy McQueen]Anyone know why the official attendance on teletext and ceefax is given as 1100, whilst on the fishy site fixtures given as 1348, strange or what?

I'm sure Bagpuss will enlighten us.:D:D[/quote]
Of course I will, the person who put the attendance figure on the fishy site was too quick and forgot to take off the Eric Factor, Real Attendance - Eric Factor = Official Attendance (RA-EF=OA) , simple.:)

VALAIRIAN 14-04-2009 14:37

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I thought the Accy site put the crowd at 1328???? The B.B.C. Website puts it at 1100, not seen the L.E.T. :confused:

Willie Miller 14-04-2009 18:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 704175)
also in telegraph today is a picture of the banner displayed, well done to whoever designed it. cos its spot on. shame those who run the club, don't share those sentiments.:(

http://img1.putpic.com/images/main/4/10320393715.jpg

It was a Stanley Ultras banner

K-P 14-04-2009 18:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Willie Miller (Post 704372)

so who was singing robbie williams songs? the original that used to be sung to him ? seemed to come from the ultras.

VALAIRIAN 14-04-2009 19:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K-P (Post 704383)
so who was singing robbie williams songs? the original that used to be sung to him ? seemed to come from the ultras.

Yes thought that strange myself K-P :confused: It was when Rocky crossed/shot from the left and it almost ended up dipping under the bar, then they/the crowd started singing, then I suppose somebody reminded them ;)


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