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I think you will find that they are on the Committee

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Thats because we are on the commitee Baggy! I most certainly have no experience at 'directorship' level, but cant speak for Loweiy or Macca.

:D

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I knew that but I hoped one of you would step up, we are talking about Stanley not Microsoft and there are other directors, I just hope peoples talents and ideas wil be used.

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same as the Cowboy on this - I have no experience (no would I like any) of bored (sic) room yawning. My feelings were that those who have experience of things should be put towards that. Whether or not our elected Chairman was the right man there and then for the job was unimportant - he has lots of experience of chairing various committee's so was therefore the popular choice, and so on.

Let the penpushers do the yawning and groaning and leave the fundraising and fun stuff to those that appreciate it!

things are on the up and The Don et al have been invited to our next meeting at which point we should have a clearer indication of what the future holds.

Hopefully we will have good news in a fortnight or so.

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Sounds good to me Rob.

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things must be going the right way, even cashy is optimistic.:)

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Is Peter Shaw the ex-car-salesman ?

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And you've got every right to be Cashy !!....
IMHO....The corner has at last been turned...my prediction in March that for our Great Club that 'Spring has Sprung' ( although it was predicted with some trepidation !)....appears to be coming true (Well almost!).
As for Peter Shaw...the position of Chairman could not be in better hands. This wise and experienced man , whose integrity and loyalty to Accrington Stanley can not be questioned in any way whatsoever will help the Club to achieve all that is required at this time!.....TRUST ME !!.

Indisposition has denied me the opportunity to become involved in those developments which]I would dearly have liked to have added my thoughts to...but I pass my regard and admiration for all those on our Forum who have demonstrated their true support for 'the Reds'..efforts which have...and will provide the club with a viable and exciting future !..

'ON STANLEY....ON !!!!'

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but I pass my regard and admiration for all those on our Forum who have demonstrated their true support for 'the Reds'..efforts which have...and will provide the club with a viable and exciting future !..

'ON STANLEY....ON !!!!

Thanks for the kind words Yonmon :) And nice to see a post from your goodself :):):)

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good to see ya back online mate, ya been missed.;)

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no link on their site yet but todays Telegraph has Rob Heys talking about the bid

snippets are:

Accrington Stanley hope to negotiate a new deal with the Supporters' Fund after indicating that they are unlikely to accept a proposal for a share issue.... Rob revealed the club plan to publish their accounts on a monthly basis ... they have outlined six or seven things in their proposal in terms of transparency, being honest and open, that we have no issue with at all ... we are happy to offer Peter Shaw (ASSF chairman) a place on the board ... they've invited us to a meeting next wednesday which we've taken them up on .....

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no harm at all in meeting, though i do wonder the "Reason" the club say they are unlikely to accept the share issue thing?:confused: if they are gonna be as transparent as they claim, then tell us whats a no-no about it.?

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Evening Telegraph article now on line.

Accrington Stanley cautious over share issue (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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cheers fer the link wynonie, explains a bit more. would love to hear both parties thoughts on the statement.

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If the Fund is serious about helping the club and not intent on watering down the current share allocation, then it shouldn't be a stumbling block.

It'll be interesting to see what happens next.

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it probably won't be a stumbling block to be honest. Only my opinion mind you.

The problem is if we/Ilyas puts in £250,000 and they blow the money then that is it. We have nothing to show for it etc etc. The point of a share allocation is that we (you and I and everyone who wants to get involved with the FF as and when that side gets up and running) gets full involvement for the money. The FF is/will be owned and run by the fans, we get full say in what happens with the money.

The best example is that I reckon we need 5 full time top paid sales professionals on board at £50k per year each, but Coley reckons we need 5 top class strikers on board at £50k each. The first lot would enable us to have the second lot next year and paid for, but if we got the second lot first then if we did not achieve promotion straight away we wouldn't be able to have them next year and we wouldn't have the sales staff neither.

Eric has always gone for the second lot (short term fix) and ignored the first lot (long term fix) and that is what has got us where we are now - football league but with no money and no visible means of kicking on from here.

We don't yet know what The Don has in mind so its difficult to say what the future has in store, but the FF is there for if and when the **** hits the fan (kinda already has?) so the monies need to be carefully looked after.

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To achieve what ?

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5 full time sales pros @ 50k, don't compute at all to me macca, with the potential fan base etc etc, i dont mean they do not need a sales pro, but 5 @ 50k is a bit rich to me.:confused:

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hmm, actually what I meant to say (but was rushing cos shudda been working) was that was just an example - I didn't literally mean that we should pay 5 guys 50k.

The point is that most people would agree (The Don included) that it is the backroom where the weaknesses lie and it is this area where any investment should be made but it has to be done wisely.

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Damn.... does anybody know how to fish a job application out of a postbox ? :D

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seems were singing from the same hymn sheet, now ya cleared that up.;)

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I fully agree that there're places where the money should be spent in order to see a return on it. I also agree that throwing money into a black hole is pointless and that the club should be made more accountable fpr investment than it has in the past. Having a representative on the Board will go a long way towards doing that, but the issuing of more shares isn't necessary to achieve that goal.

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What use is it having a representative on the Board when DON has 51% of the votes. Whatever DON decides is passed so the representative on the Board gets no input in any decisions.

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give the guy some slack mate, ok majority of shares as is in many companies, but at least this guy seems to listen. on that basis i reserve judgement.:)

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If people wanted to break the 51% dominance they should have stumped up the cash when they had the chance. O'Neil has stepped up and deserves a shot at turning the club around. At least with a 'fans' seat on the board the club has to be more transparent.

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i can go with that.

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I am not slagging DON off, I am just stating a fact, a representative on the board will not have a telling vote and therefore will just be at board meetings to observe.

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board meetings are run on a one person one vote principle, but can be overturned by a major shareholder calling an EGM for shareholders. Petty and would make the major shareholder look like a sore loser, but thats how it is.

Apparently Eric was overruled several times in this manner.

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100% correct

All board members are equal, all voices and ideas are listened too!!

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Did the meeting between the club and the Fighting Fund take place last Wednesday...and if so, how did it go?

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Yes it did take place WH :) Think things went OK on the whole and believe that there will be an update on events fairly soon :):)

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:) Was wondering that myself WH :)

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:) Cheers Valairian :)

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Cheers for that, Val, will be interesting to see the update. :)

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There is an article in todays Observer club and fans play happy families

in a nutshell we have followed the lead given by Professor Glasson and done the same deal (cheque will be presented at the Burnley game)

we have offered our unconditional support to the commercial department to aid their efforts particularly in selling draw tickets. We will also further liase with the club to ensure that any fundraising efforts are not duplicated.

We will be holding a public meeting in the second week of August (date to rubberstamped with the club) at the clubhouse. At this meeting you can all ask any questions as to how we propose to move forward from this point on. We will also invite all members of the public to get involved with us at this point. We need your ideas as to how we can fundraise, and we need your help to do this. This is the point that we would ideally have been at a few weeks ago but the eventual takeover and its subsequent questions delayed this meeting. But this is the point where the fighting fund becomes more than 10/11 people sat in a room and should become an army of Stanley fans all willing to make more effort to stablise our club. We now need the man on the street to be seen on the street. Footsoldiers if you will (not cannon fodder though :rolleyes:).

The share issue is not going to happen any time soon, so likewise Ilyas Khans money is not going to happen any time soon. The money pledged by Mr Khan is explicitly for use in a share issue and The Don (and fellow majority shareholders) have indicated that they are unwilling to travel this route.

If I'm honest this has split the committee somewhat (but peace has broken out) as some think that is our only purpose whilst others think that the FF should become other things. From becoming other things what do we do with any monies raised? do we a) feed it directly to the club to do with what they will? or do we b) save the money and do with it what we will? This point does still need to be ratified by the committee because there are valid points on both sides and there are members of the public who will not contribute to the fund whichever route we take.

All in I will agree with Rob Heys in the Observer when he says that both parties have indicated their willingness to work with each other because we all cheer for the same side. Anything that the FF is unable or unwilling to proceed with will be taken to the next OSC meeting for us to see if we can do it via that avenue.

The Don and his team (six were present) talked about various things at the meeting. They hinted at projects that were ongoing and plans that they have. I can't say anymore as any facts given (very few, mostly conjecture) were given in good faith that they wouldn't leave the room) but the upshot of it all was that the club are taking great strides towards professionalising the structure of the club. The feeling was that this season will continue to be a struggle because of everything that is going on, but providing we are safe come May we should be in a far better position for the following season. I very much doubt that the misery and disappointment that we have all felt this close season will be remembered by this time next year.

and we have beaten Morecambe to a signature they wanted after also shafting them over Jimmy Ryan :D

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Macca, not going to quote the full post, but I am glad you did it because I could not have done it the justice you have, cheers mate :thumbsup: :) Great news all round I feel and as we all know, we must pull together for the next 12mths and then see the rewards...:)

ON STANLEY ON

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Just to clarify things for my simple mind...

The FF (or its new name) is going to lend the club some money, interest free, which matches that lent by the Prof? Where has this money come from, if Ilyas is only prepared to use his money for a share issue?

The FF is predominantly a fundraising project (as it seems to stand at the moment), so how is this different to the Supporters Club?

I'm just trying to understand. :)

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Ilyas. the £250k he was not prepared to put in but this is a much smaller amount. In fairness it is only a loan. If the club pay it back, regularly and on time etc then it may open the way for more (imho) but the main thing was that it helps the club out at a time when cash flow is limited

in essence it isn't. The two groups can more than happily work side by side though. The FF contains people who have lots of links to various bodies that can help the FC. For instance one positive of wednesday night was that our secretary, Shabir Siddique, is Chairman of Hyndburn Leisure Trust (or something like it) and offered to propose a motion at the following nights board meeting that ASFC can have gratis (or at the very least) heavily discounted use of the boroughs Sports Facilities. Etc Etc
The OSC tends to be about the average fan who has limited or no knowledge of board room stuff but just wants to get involved. It may mean that in the coming months we try to shift the focus of OSC meetings - but that will depend on the bodies that come.

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Thanks for clarifying that Rob.

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http://www.newsnow.co.uk/FGB.gifAccrington Stanley get extra time from the taxman Lancashire Telegraph - Accrington Stanley

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thanks mab, saw this article this morning and was gonna post it but there was no link available. Pretty much what I posted earlier in the week but good to see it out in the press.

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I am very much for the share issue route but its good to see ASFCFF and the Club working together for the good of the Club.

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me also, can understand the shareholders as is though, but honestly think theres a bigger picture fer em to consider.

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At the moment we have to accept that the share holders - mainly The DON - Would not want to dilute their share's with a share issue! The only way that I can see the ASSF/FF aquiring some share's would be if an existing share holder deceided to sell their share's to the ASSF/FF!! :):) Here's hoping :)

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But that would not benefit the club only the shareholder who was selling, IMHO wasted money that would be better spent elsewhere within the club.
With a new share issue the money would be available for the club.

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That would mean ASFCFF money going to existing shareholders when it is the club that needs new money which should be in return for new shares to give ASFCFF a greater say and a real stake in the town's Football Club.

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But new shares would mean diluting O'Neil's newly bought percentage, which would be totally unfair.

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You're quite correct Shaker. As I've said before, if 'people' wanted to have a controlling interest in the club, they should have stumped up the cash when they had the opportunity to do so.

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It depends on whether the club should be put first, I agree give O'Neill some time but in the long run the club comes first.

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I just think that everyone should be getting behind David O'Neill now. The opportunity for issuing new shares has gone along with Eric Whalley.

Any serious amounts of money should now (in my humble) be put into the club via the many available avenues of sponsorship.

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have yet to speak to anyone who is against the "DON" shaker,:confused: reading the link the issue yer on about has not gone, just put in abeyance fer future. the future of the "Club" after what happened back in 62 is fair disussion. IMHO.

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The Articles of Association of most smaller companies give existing shareholders first dibs when it comes to subscribing to new share issues so they can maintain their majorities if they have the cash and the inclination to fully take up their allocation. That's all the "fairness" existing shareholders are entitled to.

The club needs the cash to build and maintain a team more people want to come and watch (in the face of two Premiership Clubs) and to service debts eg HMRC and Professor Glasson.

Prudent housekeeping can only go so far. That cash will have to come soon and fairly consistently if not all through trading activities then in part through a share issue.

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ASSF wouldn't buy anybodies shares though Valairian, because of the reasons that Bagpuss mentions.

The only way it would happen would be if somebody was to 'buy' the Dons shares for way more than they are 'worth' in order for him to buy back at the newly inflated price. As majority shareholder, and with Ilyas and one or two other more minor shareholders to back it, the idea could be pushed through (IMHO) but it would take a ridiculous amount of money wasted in order to do that.

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All I am talking about at the moment - as things will have to move slowly - is for some of the shares to be mopped up, as it appears that most of the other shareholders do not seem to be bothered/interested! (I am talking about people with 10%,15% Etc.) Surely if the ASSF/FF could over the years aquire shares and therefore have a greater input into the club, that in the long run must be a good thing for the club! I understand fully that unless there is a new share offer then the club will not get any monies directly... :):)

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Ilyas is already the second highest shareholder, so I don't see what difference owning shares would make. Shareholders have very little authority anyway, so it's nothing to do with being bothered or interested.

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until there is a nominal fee attached to the shares who is to say what they are worth?

eg, what did you pay for yours TM? and what whould it take for you to part with it?

it would be of no use to the average Joe (no pun intended Joe) but would of some use to a larger shareholder. And how many of those lesser shareholders would be willing to part with something that has more sentimental value than financial?

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Funnily enough, I found the share certificate last week when I was clearing out my loft. When I bought the shares in 1993 I paid well over the odds for them, as they were worth probably less than they are now. I remember my father saying that I was throwing the money away, but I knew that anyway. I bought the shares at a time when the club were in serious need of investment (sound familiar?), but I never intended it to any kind of investment and as the shares are still practically worthless, there's no incentive to sell them.

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so as a trading card so to speak it has no real monetary value, but if you were offered, say, a hundred quid for a 'worthless' piece of paper, would you accept it? (i'm not buying by the way)

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I'm not in any rush to sell them. :)

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Think I bought about the same time.Used to get invited to AGM's,but can't remember the last time.Possibly now we might get a vote !!

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all that hav them just give them to the the top a man ak

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what purpose would that serve grimps?:confused:

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we need to get all in the right hand and give all we can as fans to mr k then we may get more say at the club . if i had any % in the club i would give it . but we all do hav a% in the club as paying fans and my ponit is fans = club no fans no club

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certainly is if you're into identity theft

about 1500 shares held by the smallholders - more than Mr Khan

how much is a share? only EW and Do'N will ever know that I suppose

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Fortunately the files are too small to make out names and addresses.

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I can get thire names and addresses from the Telephone Book :rolleyes:

So, how many of you would like to sell?

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hmm

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Click on the file

Click on the open file

Click 'View' - 'Zoom' - 400%

Now you should be able to see it all

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Have you tried clicking on them a couple of times? :rolleyes:

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Forgot to mention, next time you go on the internet you may have to click on view - zoom - 100%

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Can I ask you where you got these from Jeff? Are they in the public domain? Did you consult with the people involved before posting their personal details on an internet forum, even if they are out of date?

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The full Company report including the list of shareholders is public. It is available to anybody from Companies House for £1.00. This list of shareholders is the latest one and was only lodged at Companies House in May of this year. I am not posting anybody's personal details on an internet forum I am posting a list of shareholders which is available to anybody and everybody. It is not a private and confidentail list.

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What list, has some over zealous mod removed a post?:(

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Jeff posted an interesting shareholder's list which has spookily vanished - luckily I had a sneaky look at work at dinner time and, if I remember right, worked out that the "small shareholders" only hold around 12% in total with the biggest individual (face value) holding around £1000. And I think it was just four others (Eric (now the Don), Ilyas, a garage and another individual I misremember) holding the rest?

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A quick check as to who's been online and it all becomes clear, not bad for someone who doesn't want to post on accyweb and calls us to hell on another site, twofaced springs to mind.:mad:

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and, as Jeff pointed out, it isn't confidential information

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Some people have trouble distinguishing between accyweb and real life Rob.;)

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Sorry guys the forum rules state you can't divulge personal information, I would reckon that covers names and addresses. And before you start throwing pans it wasn't me but I would have done the same, you really wouldn't want that kind of info on here if it was yours would you? Given that we have some total basketcases on here, I wouldn't!:eek:
As has been stated if you want the info it's in the public domain, but you can't put it on here.

Just a thought, that info could be linked to the official Stanley site with no problem I would think........

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fur doos then!

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I posted the public list of Stanley shareholders but Rule 8 states
So, fair enough, the list was removed. If anybody wants to look at the list come and see me at the Burnley game.

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I asked the Mods if I could just post the list of shareholder names and number of shares and was told

So please do not mention any personal names on this forum.

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So, if I say "Eric Whalley", I am, technically speaking, breaking the forum rules? Seems a rum do to me!

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You have just broken the forum rules so your post will probably be deleted.

Please remember in future

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How does that apply to Accyweb user names Jeff ?????

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Ask the Mods, all I was told was

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There's a wider issue here. The Data Protection Act requires those holding personal data to be registered (for an appropriate fee) with the Information Commissioner. I doubt that Roy/Accy Web are registered for holding the details of Accrington Stanley shareholders so they have taken the sensible decision that that, and similar information, isn't held on this site. So, even if the information is in the public domain and accessible elsewhere, there are very valid reasons for not publishing it on here.

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So, what does the panel think of the latest news (also on t'fishy site)?

Lazarus appointed joint-chairperson at Accrington Stanley (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Must admit, I'd never heard of her until a few weeks ago when she joined us on the promotional side. Now, she's joint chairwoman. Who is she? Does anyone know her? Just curious. :)

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Strange one this but I like the look of her friend on facebook. ;):D

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Not too sure what this is about really?????

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Just an update on the F.F. / A.S.S.F. There is an "Open Meeting" at Stanley in the club house, Friday night 14th August 7.00 P.M. Please be there if you can. :):)