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OK, let's start it but not the best time as we've just conceded a goal from what BBC Shropshire say was a 'needless' penalty.

Can't get onto 2BR but Tretts is assisting with the BBC Shropshire commentary.

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First minute of second half:
Shrews' goalie beaten but ball cleared off the line.

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Oh dear. Another Shrewsbury goal - header from a corner.

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Rather quiet on here today. What seems to be the problem on the pitch now? We seemed to make such a positive start to the season.

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Andy Tretton reckons we'll see Paul Mullin on in the next 10 minutes.

BBC Shropshire also mentioned that Luton are looking at Paul.

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1-2, Symes from 15 yards 'against the run of play'. 'Superb footwork'.

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Still time for another. Come on, Stanley.

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Stanley playing well now. Bobby Grant just hit post with goalie beaten.

BBC: 'Accrington look the more likely to score'.

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1-3, Dave Hibbert with 8 mins to go.

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That hurts. Puts us second from bottom on goal differential. I know it's still early but it's still worrying.

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Gutted. What's happening, this was supposed to be the best squad we've played. Early days I know but I am really disappointed at this stage.

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The Referees decision to award a penalty was the worst I have witnessed for a long time.
Its the same old story though, we keep leaking goals. We must start picking up points or its the blue square. I know its early days but it was a dissapionting result

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the ref n penalty a complete joke. nevertheless should be taking 3 pts at home to the shrewsburys of this division, gonna be long hard winter.:(

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Starting line up:

Ryan and Grant struggled while we played the 3-5-2 as they simply can't defend. This left gaping holes as Edwards and Winnard covered the areas that the wing backs should have had sorted. Surely Richardson & King should start if we're going to play wing backs. McConville isn't ready for starting every game and Symes can't distribute the ball with any effect. Good finish for the goal though. Terrible ref. Crap day!

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Dan and Ben had the penalty as a definite and they called it as teh ref blew. Winnard was blatantly pulling the guys shirt. It was probably not visible to the Clayton End but it was visible to the ref unfortunately.

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Got to disagree with ya on one point there shaker I thought Symes was the best man in a red shirt today - always challenging for the arial balls and unlike mullin he was directing them to a red shirt - it's just a shame that red shirt was McConville. McConville is a good player but he's still young and he's not a striker so why he got the start up front instead of Mullin, Kee and King god only knows. Proccy was utterly useless today once again Coley changed the whole formation of the team and played men out of position just to accomodate him. We should be playing a 4-4-2
Martin
Richardson/King, Edwards, Kempson, Winnard
Turner/Grant, Ryan, Joyce, Miles
Symes, Kee/Mullin

As for the penalty decision I think fair enough it was a foul, a soft one but a foul none the less - the thing is if your going to give penalties for fouls like that you have to be consistant and not 5 minutes after their penalty Proccy was given the exact same treatment and nothing was given - same again 10 minutes later. As for the shrews second goal the ref and linesman once again awful - foul on Martin all the way whistle should have gone the second the ball was kicked.

On the upside that's 2 in 2 for Symes - it looks like we have a striker who can score goals

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Not completely knocking Symes as he did have quite a good game. As I said in the first post I thought he took his goal well. His distribution was terrible though; hardly any of the balls he won were successfully passed on to bring in the creative midfield. Obviously the midfield were all at sixes and sevens today so it'd be silly to write him off. I just hope Coley can help Michael with that part of his game.

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Have to say I was on the Clayton end and to me and many around me it was a stone wall penalty... winnard was practically climbing up back of him for a piggy back!!!

Although thought we had a good shout for a penalty in second half but not so clear cut... ref was very inconsistent for the whole match

Not the best of performances today but not too disheartening despite the final score...

but same question asked again.... what does Chris Turner have to do to get a game?????

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Totally astonished Turner hasn't had a start yet this season. He's come on twice as sub for 10 mins each time. He was fantastic back end of last season. Showed lots of good touches and is a great crosser of the ball. Is he injured?

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Yes it defo was a penalty, Worse I've seen Stanley play. Why Coleman will not give C Turner a start I'll never know.proctor should never be Captain either, he is taking up a midfield position where others could be better utilised. If we get beaten next Sat I fear for the rest of the season. If this is his strongest squad I hope they soon start to show it, or I have a sinking feeling that with no money and inability to bring in players we could be in for a rough ride.

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The Referees decision to award a penalty was the worst I have witnessed for a long time.
Its the same old story though, we keep leaking goals. We must start picking up points or its the blue square. I know its early days but it was a dissapionting result


the ref n penalty a complete joke. nevertheless should be taking 3 pts at home to the shrewsburys of this division, gonna be long hard winter.



Sorry, but from where I was standing in the Clayton End (And from somebody sitting in the main stand) it was nailed on :( Winnard had both hands on him, almost round his neck, no need for it, but no complaints. We got what we deserved today and that is worrying :(

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With you all the way on that Harwood, Chris Turner ?? Looks like he will not get a start until 3 or 4 of the midfielders are injured......:rolleyes:

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Really not at all sure what to think about today. Starting with 3-5-2 seems a bit odd, but then moving Joyce back to full back takes some of the spark out of midfield. As someone else rightly says, why keep on playing people out of position.... to accommodate Proccy? Let's face it, if he's not good enough, he shouldn't be in the team. The penalty? Yes, I thought it was definitely a foul, but Winnard was fouled first and the ref ignored that!

I thought the Symes-Kee partnership looked promising in the second half, but we've been advocating giving that pairing a go on here since the start of the season. McConville will improve, though I'm not sure that Grant will! Surely Turner is worth a try.

Finally - and here is my likely controversial bit..... I remain unconvinced that Martin is the answer to our goalkeeping problems. He makes some super saves but, like my friend Dunsavin, he does not show positive command of his area and therefore does not inspire his defence with confidence.

Maybe time will tell .. I only hope we don't get dragged into the relegation mire before the season has even got off the ground!

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Oh dear,,,this is not great news,,, like many others I thought we had the makings of a team to be in the top half of the table.
I shall have to cease investing money at our TAB on them, that should help.

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Martin is still young though so in time he will inprove with a goalkeeping coach etc.
Same with Grant only young and he works hard, puts the effort in would start every game for me, I'd like Turner to start, but Coley knows his talent and waiting for the right moment to unlish his talent on the pitch, than he will set league 2 on fire. Symes did well again glad he got the start took his goal well. Thats a positive a striker got a goal. Smae mistakes really once we iron them out, will have a good team, i beilive we have the makings of a great team just got to wait till they gel together and will move up that table with ease.

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Defensively I have noticed a vulnerability on the flanks and a tendency to be a bit jittery when under pressure in front of our goal from what I have seen pre season and this season.

There has also been a tendency not to convert good chances.

I fear this is similar to other seasons I have known in football with my other league club where a few flaws become apparent early on and cause an optimistic beginning to become a not always successful season long fight against relegation. Its the "not always successful" bit that particularly worries me.

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Totally agree, Winnard was fouled first, should have been a free kick to Stanley

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Didn't happen to say when he'll be back in training did he? Two weeks last I heard :D

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this will P. a few off but fer me whilst i admire the signings coleman makes n how he gets em given resources is beyond me, the guy is "Tactically Bankrupt" players should be in there best positions, timing of substitutions overall are pathetic.:(

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It WAS a penalty Macca..and, as everyone noted, the Stanley Defenders didn't make much of a complaint to Jon Moss about his decision !.
Much more worrying was the amount of time the ball spent soaring through the air from 'Red' Boots....and in no particular direction at that !...and of course once 'the Shrews'...or should it read 'the Shrewds'...realised this fact and played the game at ground level, it was clear that there was only one team going to win the match !!.
Still the chances were there, Michael Symes took his goal well..the Goalpost kept Bobby Grant's shot out... so am I still wearing my Red-tinted glasses when I suggest that there is more to be hopeful about than to be over-concerned about ?.

'What me Worry?'.....Not just yet !!...'ON STANLEY !..ON !.

p.s I noted 'Oldgobbin' furtively leaving the ground three minutes before the final whistle !!.....A FIRST ???.

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You have to remember its not a sprint, come mid april 2010 we will be safe from the drop maybe play-offs, looking back at another really good season with some really good wins, goals, more of jimmy ryans magic free-kicks, grant's volley's and cups games like QPR anyone who went there was quality. Coley and jimmy will have worked there magic again, the crown ground will be getting revamped, sponsers be coming left, right and centre, Symes would of smashed 20 goals in. Turner scored his first league goal, more of phil edwards nonsense defending. Martin on loan for the full season and pulling of some quality saves. We will al be even more proud of being a stanley fan.

In Coley we trust!

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I'm with you Cashy, until the players learn how to play on the deck then we will carry on getting beaten badly home and away. Sorry to say but I heard quite a few mutterings of time to go Mr C. Proccy was truly awful and certainly not captain material, for me better to have someone like Luke Joyce or Phil Edwards as captain. Yesterday hurt. After all the rave reviews of QPR, we were utterly rubbish apart from Symes, who I think was the best player on the park along with Joyce. As for distribution, he is a better threat with Billy Kee. I like McConville as a player, but as others have said, he is young and too lightweight, he needs to strengthen up and he will be more than a useful player. Change the system back to 4-4-2 please with players in their rightful positions not the 3-5-2 rubbish that obviously does not work. Why only one sub yesterday? Why not throw 2 more on with 8 minutes to go and 3-1 down, we had lost the match but could have salvaged some more pride.New regime in the boardroom, time for a new regime at the team helm.

Maybe JC should take lessons of John Still, he gets good non-league bargains and puts them top of the league!!!

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I too heard some bloke shouting abuse at Coleman with absolutely no chance of being heard, but I just assumed he was on a day release.

There was also some bloke behind me who shouted, at the top of his stentorian voice, instructions and the blatantly obvious all afternoon, which basically spoiled the game for me. Why do people think that their opinions are so important that everyone has to hear every inner thought? Obviously the players can't hear them and I'm sure that nobody in the crowd wanted to hear that kind of *****!

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But then there's always ONE TM !...and he ( or She!) would never think of
expressing their particular views face to face with JC ...or anybody !!.

One thing is for sure, that NO Football League Manager could create and maintain anything any better than what we witnessed yesterday on the Budget which has been allocated to JC...Probably the one whom you found
so offensive has no real comprehension of our Club and it's on-going administration ...a real case of 'Ignorance breeding discontent producing more ignorance'!.

'Ah Well'...What me Worry?'...in cases like this, Just a little bit !

'ON STANLEY !...ON !!!'

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never heard anyone shouting abuse at coleman around us, was plenty of discusssion about things,maybe thats off limits to some?:rolleyes:

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Would you define shouting "Time to go you fat prick" at the top of your voice as 'discussion' Cashy?

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With tactics you often learn things the hard way and yesterday was one of those occasions. Before the game I was advocating along with a few others the application of a 3-5-2 formation with Grant/Ryan on either side. This failed miserably, so we'll have to try something else. There are a lot of new faces in this season and we were all a little naive to think that it'd gel within the month of August. I can't stretch to the fantastic optimism of MCR ADIM but I've got faith in Coley to sort it out.

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no i would not T.M. ya obviously stand near some *******.:D unless the guy was refering to the ref.;)

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i would sure hope yer correct shaker, meself i aint so sure, "Turner" was playing very well last season IMHO. n aint had a start so far. he certainly don't need time to gel.:confused:

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Got to agree with the Martin point, he will be a very good keeper in time I think but he simply hasn't the experience or presence to be 1st choice for a League 2 Club. I hope I'm wrong, and there is no doubting his reflexes and promise, but I said at the beginning of the season that Russell from Rochdale would be abetter bet because of his presence alongside his reasonable ability, really hope that I'm proved wrong but I can't see it, think its probably a year too early for Martin at this level.

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As a observer at the shrewsbury game yesterday i couldn't help wondering where the team cohesion was,i'm not sure that the manager was sure what was happening.I know there are limited resources at stanley but where has the fire gone that i normally associate with accrington stanley,from my observers point of view the performance wouldn't have done anything to give the fans any optimism.Also there is no cussion now of 20 and 30 points deducted from other teams to rely on,unless the team start playing to there potential pretty quick then the trapdoor will beckon.I know it's early days yet but time moves rather quickly these days and mid season will be upon us before we know it,no dteriment intended but one of your forum members (mcr adim) seems to think accy will be around the play off places come the end of the season,either he knows something the other accy fans don't or he's looking through rose tinted glasses.Having also observed the northampton game as well i sadly don't share his optimism,at the end of the day a manager is responsible for team performances and mr coleman sadly seems to be using players out of position and use of the substitute system has me baffled,things need to change rapidly if he's to save himself from the chop.In the words of that scots geyser at old trafford (squeaky bum time) comes round damn quick,it would be a shame to see stanley slip back into non league football but if things don't improve then that may become a stark reality.I for one hope you turn things around and progress up the table,good luck for the rest of the season,i think you may need it.

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fair comment regarding the substitutions and out of position players. Coley gets the plaudits when we are playing well and will take the flak when things aren't going so well.

I still think we have the makings of a reasonably good team here but when you have three or four (out of ten) outfield players in positions they are unaccustomed to then you are going to suffer mistakes. As good as Dean Winnard may or may not be, I'd prefer to have him on the bench breathing down the necks of Edwards and Kempson. Darren seems to have struggled a little in the last game or two and it would be good to have someone putting the pressure on him.

Similarly, we were 2-1 down yesterday with ten minutes to go. We had three attacking options on the bench and could have used two of them. We were already applying the pressure to their backline and two extra pairs of fresh legs could have helped to stretch them, alternatively sub two of the defenders so that we can go gung ho and hope to outrun the inevitable break from Shrewsbury. Substitutions have always been Coleys weak point.

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Yes fair constructive comment,but if your managers weak point is his use of strategic substitutions then other teams will have noted these weaknesses and will exploit them.I travel around the country to many grounds in what context i won't say,but comments from the fans should be taken notice off by the management.I heard quite a few very negative comments by accy fans about about mr colemans tactics and not many of them were favourable,fans do get fed up with the same old excuses week in week out,and then vote with their feet.I also notice that gates are the poorest in the league,it's hard to attract old and new fans through the turnstiles with so many premier teams a short drive away.But it doesn't help when the manager appears to be unable to decide which formation is best against individual teams and when to use his subs.perhaps mr coleman should listen to what the paying customers have to say,constructive critism never hurt anyone.

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can agree with every word of that, i think the potential is there to at least reach the top end of the division, but only if coley learns n learns quickly.

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Scout, are you trying to cause a bit of discontentment amongst the fans.
This will be our fourth season in the league, playing players out of position, mainly to accommodate favourites, poor use of substitutes and lack of tactics ( coley thinks they are mint favoured and come in little plastic dispensers) has been normal practice since the non league days, but like I said this will be our fourth season in the league.

You made your initial post, implying you were an official observer, in doing so, you implied that you may know more about this than others, so demanding respect. If you are an official observer then you should be impartial. If of course, you are just an observer in the literal sense, so were the 1400 others at that game on Saturday. You say you saw the Northampton game last week too, that's two games out of seven this season. We have played 7 games so far, 5 league and 2 league cup games. Stanley played excellently in 4 of those games, won 2 and narrowly lost 2.

We have the potential in our squad to be top half of the table, I have no reason to doubt that will happen at the moment. This season was always going to be hard, with all the things that are going on in the background, we as fans have accepted that. We all expect us to still be a league team next season, by then, the problems in the background will be sorted out, then we can move on.

Clubs cannot get rid of managers, after 3 bad games, this early into the season. This is no time to panic. So Scout, please stop trying to cause discontent, and be positive.

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My posts were not intended to cause discontent among the fans of accrington stanley they are purely my obverservations alone,i visit many grounds during the course of a season and you would be surprised how many fans of different clubs voice their opinions during lean spells as well as good ones.I visit grounds throughout England,scotland and Wales and often listen to what fans have to say about their respective teams,your team was not chosen for critisism,my opinions are posted as i see it.It in no way critisises the marvellous fans of accrington who seem to have had to put up with quite a lot of stressful times over the last three seasons,it merely states the obvious that your manager needs to look at what he is doing wrong and rectify it sooner than later.Mr Coleman is not the only manager who must be feeling the pressure so early in the season e.g.John barnes at Tranmere to name but one,it is good to see that your fans have the faith so to speak and i really hope you turn it round soon.From what i heard at the game some of your fans are already becoming discontented,hopefully a couple of good wins will alay their fears,i sincerely hope so.

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Yes they can, Bryn Gunn at Norwich and the ex manager of Barnsley to name 2, so Coley has no divine right to think he is safe as has no other football league manager.

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Any suggestions for an AFFORDABLE replacement OO ??...( Not that I want JC to go you understand!).

'ON STANLEY !...ON!!!'

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Don't see Scouts comments as trying to cause discontent Redash, personally i see them as summat that needed saying, better to have construtive critism, i have heard quite a few folk voice the same concerns, as i'm sure you have yerself, fer me better to have em out in the open than bitching behind coleys back, everyone knows he is stanley through n through, n i would hope he reflects on peoples opinions, least i hope.:)

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I think your username rather gives it away matey :rolleyes:

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Thankyou Cashman,it truly never was a post to cause discontent,it was purely observation and just that,you can't please all of the people all of the time.As another member of your forum said,no manager has the divine right to assume his job is safe,he mentioned Bryn Gunn who is a personal friend of mine as are a few league managers,Bryn was gobsmacked to lose his job so soon and it came out of the blue.All fans want their team to do well and managers live or die by their decisions and mr coleman has been at the helm for quite a while,if the results don't improve then the grim reaper rides in swiftly with a P45 as others managers can testify.Hopefully he will listen to the fans comments and take some of the critisism on board.

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The day Coleman leaves, the closer we'll be to the Unibond League. OK, so sometimes he gets things wrong or doesn't do the things we expect, but I honestly don't know of anyone else who could do what he does on next-to-nothing.

I'm certainly not a Coleman fanboy, but I know what makes sense.

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there certainly would not be a very large queue of "League Managers" after his job IMHO. totally agree T.M.

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After watchin the game, i cant recall any sustained periods of pressure that shrewsbury had! .Indeed at 2-1 it was all acci.
The only area that needs attention is not to conceed early as acci s style of football will ensure chances.
Regarding the penalty,only "old gobbin" seem to have picked up on the fact the cf elbowed winnard in the face prior to the wrestling match beginning (resulted in stitches to the chin !) Great pic of this in gallery.
The ref missed it fair enough,but the second goal (proctor lost his man) symes shirt was clearly being pulled to blocked him!
The word consistancy springs to mind !
The third goal was all down to the cf s first touch although Kempson should have dealt with it.
In summary ,considering a lot of new / younger players have been blooded,with experience,the results will come ( as long as they dont play 3-5-2 ! )