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Well what can I say, I was warmly greeted and Rob made me a coffee and I offered to share my biscuits (half of which I'd ate by the time I got there) whilst we waited for Mr O'Neill. Had a chat with Rob whilst waiting and he was saying how hard it is today to say anything without it being twisted or taken out of context, like the supposed trip that day of Mr O'Neill to see Mr Khan in London.

Whilst waiting I saw some old familiar faces like Mark Turner (you still look the same :D) and Liam Smith with his Man Utd top on :eek: and later Buzzer and it made me realise again just what a community club it really is. Everyone was cheerful and going about the place with a smile you wouldn't think they were all close to maybe losing their jobs in the future.

Anyway when Mr O'Neill then came out of his office we chatted by the touchline for well over an hour, Rob was there nearly the entire time too. We just chatted in general about the club and he seemed genuinely optimistic about the club and the future. I asked the questions I wanted to ask and they both gave frank and honest answers and I felt they both cared for the club a great deal and it wasn't just a job to them. How good it must be to have a job you feel real passion for I thought.

I'm finding it hard to explain anything in great detail without saying things which were both personal to both Mr O'Neill and Rob and I felt they didn't really need to mention to me and I ought not to really repeat on here. Needless to say I think the club is in safe hands with them and if they can work with Mr Khan all the better, but I get the impression the share issue is a last resort but who can blame him I suppose he's in charge and he wants to stay there.

They did say the Vice Chairman (Peter Marsden) was going to be seeing Mr Khan but I notice he says no one has been in touch with him on the forum so I don't know what to say about that. I got the impression they are open to talking to Mr Khan but in the long term they want the club to stand on its own feet and live within its means.

They thought the fund might have been further on but they mentioned the Rovers game and a few other events they had planned and they made it seem any shortfall would be made up by the Directors one way or the other.

I made a point of saying I just wanted him to stand up for himself and explain his side of the story in the press and radio etc. His view was that it would make things worse perhaps and divert attention from raising the money which I thought made sense really. I said his absence to me made it seem like he didn't really care but all I can say after meeting him is that he does a great deal.

I would just like to thank Rob for inviting me down to the club today and to Mr O'Neill for taking time out to talk to a fan. I suggest if anyone wants to ask either of these two people anything they get in touch with them they both seemed open and honest in all their answers. These people don't want the club to cease just as much as any fan out there doesn't want the club to die, its not just a job to them its really their day to day life.

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Unfortunately Shurm nothing you have said gives me any confidence in Mr O'Neil, because you actually haven't told us anything we didn' know before ! If he has told you something that gives you confidence in him "All well and good", but all the fans need to be in the know! So once again he needs to be transparent with all of us not just you! Surely you and Mr O'Neil can understand that!

Please MrO'Neil speak to all your fans so can understand like Shurm!!!

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Hi Shurm, I too felt like you did when I first chatted with both Rob and David O'Neil, but over time i have seen that it is only words and nothing else.

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I understand what your saying I just thought I'd better give an account of what went on really, it wasn't a meeting or a question and answer session it was just three blokes chatting about the club and the problems it has.

These people are trying their best I feel, if its not enough to save the club only time will tell but they have more to lose than the average fan to be honest if they don't sort this out.

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Shurm, you know I respect you and have known you for a very long time, if you really really feel that the club is in safe hands then tell us so. If not, we need to be getting a fire going under this and sharpish.

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Cheers Lindsay, I really don't know what to think I've probably in hindsight been a bit harsh on Mr O'Neill like I said to him today I just wanted him to come out and tell us all how it is instead of Rob doing all the talking.

I just wish he would go in the paper and explain it all, a lot of what I've read on here he explained differently to me. My thinking now is we should all back the fundraising and plough on if he is in no position to pay the money I'm sure they will ask Mr Khan for his help.

I asked what other debts the club had and he said nothing major apart from day to day bills. I asked how the debt could be so large for so long and he tried to explain they approximate paye payments each month and its not till the end of year that the taxman says hey hang on we want some more cash. He said Eric had nothing to do with the club anymore and referred to him as the immovable object :D but said he and his family were always welcome at the club and they had a room for matchdays set aside for them.

Rob said he was not a director but was willing to put money into the final pot. He explained about a £1m injection to transform the coppice end and control room and changing rooms in the form of a grant but they had to put money in as well to get this. He explained how things were better with the council nowadays he really made it sound like a fresh start now Eric has gone.

I can't remember everything its my age but him and Mr Khan both come across as good people I just wish they can get their heads together for the greater benefit of the club.

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Unfortunately we only have your feeling on the matter not facts from the horses mouth! You have done a quick turn around since last night which only tells me they have done a charm act on you! Since you can't tell us anything pointless you saying anything really (no offence)!

As you felt last night nothing has changed!

Why does Mr O'Neil keep coming out as not being very truthfull ,apparentally he was supposed to be having a meeting with Mr Khan ,but Mr Khan says that no meeting has ever been arranged!

We can only judge a book by its cover and up to now thats all we've seen, and so far its not worth reading!

Please tell us more of what has convinced you he is the man for the job and why we can trust him please!

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Crikey, Shurm, didn't you ask him the question on everyone's lips?...what is the delectable Marcelle doing for the SOS? :)

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Who ? :D

Look make your own minds up I had a go at him and they invited me to the club they didn't need to do that did they. I'm not trying to influence anybody all I can say is yes yesterday I was calling him I'll hold my hand up to that and today I really don't know whats best. They certainly didn't say go back and say this and this will you and to be fair I've not said much to sway anyone.

I've just said how it was I'm not trying to be an information service I spoke my mind on here and now I've had a chat with them and I thought I would tell you all how it went rather than put nothing and you all be wondering.

Sorry I can't provide you all with the answers you need.

I know its our Town Team we all care for but its his club like it or not, why would he want it to go bust ?

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I imagine that a few of us are reading back our posts in light of Shurm’s meeting today; I know I am and I feel a little sheepish when I look back at the catalyst for some of my outbursts. I don’t know Shurm personally although we have had discussions in the past and from those I have a healthy respect for the lad.

I think it rather unfair for people to apply pressure to Shurm i.e. accybabs posts. This Lad challenged Mr. O’Neil to a face to face meeting and he responded to that request, Shurm as give us his personal feelings on the meeting which appears to have had a reassuring effect on him. I would suggest rather than bleed off the positive aspects of his post we look for positives ourselves and if we have any more searching question we perhaps put them to the club directly.

It’s been said time and time again; the best outlook can only be achieved by the two sides working together without demands. Sort the problem first and then discuss an appropriate level of representation by the ASSF on the Board.

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So I'll take that as a no, then? ;)

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Perhaps he could trade "M" in for a good P.A.; he needs to get himself an organiser, a good communicator who can look over his drafts and advise him as to the potential pit falls of engaging is gob in matters of delicacy….

I don’t mean that disrespectfully and with due respect to the other guys and girls at the club the last few weeks have been dire in terms of clarity and communication. Get in an advisor or select internally someone impartial that won’t leave you and Rob sitting targets…

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This obsession with Ms.Lazarus and her perambulations on behalf of 'The Reds' is taking on somewhat unhealthy proportions Wyn!!...

I have, with the aid of my Psychiatrist, been able to erase her winsome image from the forefront of my mind...yet the pressing question relating to her real function in the scenario of 'Saving our Stanley' keeps constantly returning to haunt my waking moments!!

Perhaps , like her Co-Chairman, she is somewhat diffident when it comes to expressing herself in the media and elsewhere....a trait which I must admit I find rather charming where most females are concerned !..But under present 'emergency' conditions this reticence in Ms Lazarus' case, seems extremely strange to me!!...

An early joint statement from the both of them would not only be appreciated..But just might convince us that they really are decent individuals who seek only to do what is right by Accrington Stanley and it's confused and in some cases depressed, Fans !.

Then my dear friend....we could both, with some sincerity, rejoice in our paean of praise for this apparent pillar of Feminine Integrity !. and dare I say it....burgeoning pulchritude??

' QUO VADIS MARCELLE ???'

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Thanks Doug, I really got the impression today that there are two sides to this story and for one reason or another Mr O'Neill refuses to go to press with his. I tried to get him to come out of hiding and he invited me to the club. I told him today why don't you give your side of the story to the press because I said if it was me I certainly would but he thinks it will only make things worse.

He mentioned his notes in the programme and he seems to stand by them and believes he was correct in what he was saying. The blokes a normal guy, his family think he's mad for sticking it out whilst the easy option would have been not to have got involved in the first place but he made it sound like he has wanted to take over from Eric for a long while and change things at the club.

I'm not saying he is the man for the job but I've certainly changed my view from last night which was more through frustration of his silence than anything, I challenged him and he said come down you can't say fairer than that.

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Sorry, Shurm, but I wish you could be more specific. Why did he not explain it differently in his programme notes instead of the personal attack on Mr Khan?

Is that normal business practice? It's certainly not something that I am familiar with.

Anyway, the conclusion we seem to draw from what you were told is that the debt to HMRC is only for the current year, any debts from previous years having been cleared at the end of that year. Is that correct?

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Doug I think you are being very unfair on me, all I ask is to have my point of view as you do on a subject very close to my heart !I spend my hard earned on all home and away games unlike some! I think I have a right to do so as I and my family and the others that attend games regular help to keep this club afloat! So doug don't call me for that again! Shurm has every right to feel as he does ,since he has been privey to information that most of us haven't! So once again Mr O'Neil please put us in the know!

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hear!hear! Yonmon

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Eh? This is nonsense. When it comes to HMRC, Accy Stanley is like any other business - or at least it should be. That means It pays it's staff wages which will be inclusive of basic and bonuses less tax and employees NI deducted at source; that sum should then be placed on the balance sheet, togeather with the employers NI contribution as being due for payment, and then paid to HMRC by the 19th of the following calender month. That is calculated to the penny, and it is a very simple calculation to do. At The end of any financial year, the only amounts the taxman should be requesting are tax and any NI settlements pertaining to benefits in kind for employees.

No wonder that Stanley find themselves in the mess they are in; but it is even worse, that Mr O'Neill seems to refer to this as in the present tense. Is the club still guessing at it's ongoing and future liabilities?

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Shurm, thanks for your efforts today, you have got YOUR answers sort of..

My only problem here is..

Ilyas has come out in public, put his head above the parapit(?) and said his bit, for all too see and shoot at. (the actions of an honest man, imho)
Dave O has not (could be read as not so honest ???)

I have meet Dave O and he seems a NICE man, Leagues above the first impressions eric gives, BUT my only reservations are, SILENCE is safer. (hope these doubts are unfounded)

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Like I said previously, I have known Shurm for years , since high school, and I trust his opinion and his judgement, he is a clever bloke and was a very good footballer, I am sure what we all want to know is how far along are we into actually saving our club? Obviously Shurm has come away with no firm answers, and that is about what we have come to expect. yep they asked him down, yep they met up, are we any wiser ? Sadly no.

I am still of the opinion that the management down there need to wake up and smell the coffee. No offence to Rob as he is the only one there willing to take the flack. I know Ilyas and know he won't sell us down the river, I cannot say the same for the current management.

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It's really to sides of a coin isn't it, we are all concerned and we all want what’s best for the club, but we all see and read things differently, to my eyes what you where saying in your post seemed unfair on Shurm, the lad had a personal meeting with the man and found some personal reassurance, that doesn’t make him a spokes person for the club. Your question is valid and I would ask you to seek a meeting with Mr. O’Neil and then you could come back and give us the answer that you are seeking and share that with us.

I haven’t been to a game home or away for over two seasons but my last week as been consumed by Accrington Stanley, I am very worried about what’s happing over there; I respect Mr. Khan for his offer, and I think he should give Stanley some cash, but as a business owner I can understand Mr. O’Neil’s aversion to what amount to taking a substantial personal financial loss just because the ASSF demands it.

On a final note; you have expressed your opinion on another persons post and I express my opinion on yours; it the way it is, if I believe your post is unfair I will say so and stand by it, then and only then if I see a different point of view as Shurm has today, I’ll perhaps change my point of view of your post.

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Sorry RR I don't know I think he is very frustrated with Mr Khan and wants to work something out with him but he said he wants the club to stand on its own without lump sums coming in here and there to buy players and ruin the pay structure.

The tax thing, I think the tax people give you guidelines on how much to pay each month and he basically said they had been been under paying it effectively and it eventualy catches up with you. He said the accounting side of things has now been improved and he said to me anyone was welcome to see the books :eek:.

Accybabs I've not been privy to anything confidential its just personal things about the people and their families and what there willing to do to keep the club going. I like to think even though I gob off every now and then I do have some compassion for people and what there going through and I felt it today.

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I agree mate

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First of all, Shurm, thanks for going to the meeting today and for describing the situation as you see it as a result of that meeting.


..... but the club CAN'T stand on its own!

• the attendances are not good enough;
• no meaningful alternative revenue streams have been developed;
• there is no current major sponsorship, and seemingly none on the horizon;
• the weaknesses in managing the SOS Appeal are indicative of lack of leadership skills at senior levels.

If the club is to stand on its own, where does he imagine that the money will come from?

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Doug what you reading ??

I only see pressure aimed at Mr O'neil, Not Shurm ???

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Shurm:I understand what you are saying and I would probably feel the same if I had been told some personal things! but still doesn't change the fact the rest of don't know all these facts! So till I know the facts that you know I will feel the same as you, last night before your meeting today! Questions have been asked to MrO'Neil but he does not answer!

Doug I expressed my opinion to Shurm not you ! And I was not having a go at him! So when you support Stanley with your presence Doug maybe then you can have your go at me for no reason as you have now!

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This is the bit that worries me. If the books are open for scrutinisation, why have the ASSF and Mr Khan not been allowed to inspect them?

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No. A business such as Stanley should know exactly how much to pay each month - the source is the tax and NI tables provided by HMRC. Now, things can get a little more complicated when it comes to the bigger clubs and things such as testimonials, but even there -if it does apply to Stanley -then any possible liabilities should be accrued for. One of our major accountancy partnerships have published a paper on this and I have had a look through it but I cannot see where anything may apply to Stanley to allow for them to have under-provided in their Tax/NI liabilities. Have a look for yourself, if you fancy something to read to go to sleep by:

FAU PAYE and NIC

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If the books are open for scutinisation ,thats's a first ,maybe this is because they have only just been completed ! Maybe an annoucement by the club will be forth coming to that fact instead of through one man who has had a cheat with Mr O'Neil!

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Accybabs give them a call and go down, if you go to all the games home and away I'm sure they will want to talk to you. I had to hold my hand up yesterday and say I've not been for ages apart from the last two Fridays and he still talked to me for an hour and a half.

Ask your questions and see if he puts your mind at rest, you won't get your answers on here nor in the press I'm sorry to say but go and see him I know you shouldn't have to but he will talk to you.

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Have a look for yourself, if you fancy something to read to go to sleep by:

FAU PAYE and NIC[/quote]

Wow, my head is spinning after just a quick look at all of that. Can see why we have got into such a mess with our scratch admin setup. No excuse, though, as Eric should have had it covered as a successful businessman?:(

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That sounds like utter bull and maybe even a complete lie.
Most companies use accounts packages that calculate how much is owed to the taxman on a weekly/monthly basis. It sounds to me like they just did not bother to send the cheques.

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Sounds to me like it's tried to be explained in simple terms... badly. Don't know what has gone on in the past but I would be 99.99% certain that Granville is not running the accounts that way now.He is more switched on than most up there.

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It’s a difference of opinion on a discussion board, I have no intentions of apologising for it; it saddens me to think that anyone is considered less a supporter because that don’t attend games or are unable to do so for what ever reason. I envy the fact that you go to every game; I would love to but I work seven days a week and even now I never get the hear the second half of a game because I’m out attending my clients needs. In my world there is no difference between a guy who gives 250k to the club and a guy who throws £2.50 in a bucket, nor between you are me. If the passion and care is there you’re a supporter….

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At the Fans Forum we were told categorically that this project would not cost the club a penny. Was this more lies?

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What a load of rubbish. When anybody receives their wage slip they will see how much has been deducted from their gross wages for PAYE (Income tax) and National Insurance Contributions. This amount is kept by the company to pay to the Revenue & Customs by the 19th of the following month. If any company has not been keeping proper records or paying people without giving them proper wage slips (cash in hand) then when the Revenue & Customs come for an inspection there will be nothing to inspect. The Revenue will then assess the company and charge them for unpaid tax and national insurance, whilst this assessment is being made they may tell the company to pay a certain amount each month to avoid a large payment when the assessment is made.

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Posted by Macca on 6 September :

And just as an afterthought, I wonder if the plans were submitted by the end of September.

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I'm glad you think you got the answers you wanted Shurm, but afraid it doesn't change my mind about David O'Neil, I think you've said somewhere that he is sticking by comments he made in last weeks programme and for me personally and others in the ASSF who have worked our socks off during the fund raising those words were needlessly insulting.
He may be right in saying that if he speaks to the press he'll make things worse,
because he certainly has a knack of doing that.

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No difference at all, if the 250k hits the bottom of the bucket!! were as a lot of donations have,from people who possibly can't afford and haven't made a big song and dance about it.Just looked through the list of those who have donated on the SOS website quickly,couldn't see a certain name making a donation? There might be a bigger picture,but at the moment every £ matters for those who love the club.

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If you're talking about Ilyas, he has already pledged to match any money given to the fund by the Stanley directors - indeed he then upped his offer and said he would double anything they put in - as yet they haven't come forward so neither has he although I know he is a man of his word and will keep to his offer.
This would be on top of the 250,000 he has offered in exchange for a share issue.

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Spot on RR. They should be snatching off Ilyas's hand and, far from keeping him at arms length, should be working out with him a programme for ongoing investment which is desperately needed. All this "wanting to work things out for themselves" is clearly pie in the sky. I hope I am wrong, but they are almost certainly going to fall short of the required funds for the taxman by their own efforts. They are going to have to come to an accommodation with Ilyas at some stage. Why are they slating him off to the extent where someone else in his position, of a less forgiving disposition, would justfiably walk away?
The way forward is so painfully obvious it hurts.

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Just thought he would have made a donation to the SOS fund as a supporter,as others have.

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I cannot see the names of any of the current Directors of Stanley on the roll of honour.

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From the Accrington Observer 18th Sept 2009

The Stanley Supporters Trust,funded by millionaire shareholders Ilyas Khan,has offered to mactch any amount paid by the rest of the board-that could wipe clear the clubs debt at the stroke of a pen.
Mr Heys said"certainly very shorly the directors will sit down.I think thats only fair.
When you have got a little girl emptying her piggy bank the question has to be answered-what are you doing"
"There is a contribution to be made from the management and directors of the club"
But talks have not moved forward since last week and Mr Oneill appears to remain committed to raesing money through outside donations.

This went to print 13days ago!

Mr Heys said"certainly very shorly the directors will sit down.I think thats only fair.
When you have got a little girl emptying her piggy bank the question has to be answered-what are you doing"

How soon is shortly?are they aware there is a deadline?

So what is it ASFC board are doing?

"There is a contribution to be made from the management and directors of the club"

By contribution does he mean the board will put in money to the SOS fund out of their own pockets?but only once they have got as much as possible out of fans and others pockets?

But talks have not moved forward since last week and Mr Oneill appears to remain committed to raesing money through outside donations.

So if i have done my maths right talks opened on the 11th Sept 2009 but still on the 1st Oct 2009 with 23days to the deadline they have not reopened talks?

Im in way having at a pop at anyone just trying to work out how many times i can use the line "fingers crossed "to my daughter when she asks are stanley saved yet mum?

May be i should send hannah along with a list of questions,if Mr Oneill can make a 9 yr old understand whats happening may be we fans stand a chance!

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Thanks for that Shurm, you like many others on this board opened up and expressed your feelings on here the other night and more power to your elbow mate.at the end of the day you are concerned about something we all care about and sometimes it,s (as they say) good to talk
Yesterday you feel you got your answers in a general chit chat with the man in charge and that appears to have at least for the time being put aside some of your fears for the club,whether Mr O,Neill told you things in confidence or not is not for us to question and as frustrating as it is for the rest of us I do not feel it is YOUR place to come on here and divulge any privaliged information you have (if any at all).
Obviously from the underlying tone of your posts the other night you have a great concern for the club and you got of your backside and did something about it good on ya.

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Of course you're right Katei....and you are only the echoing the thoughts of so many Fans who like you are stunned, confused, and disappointed by the almost total lack of activity aimed at finding a lasting solution to what is now an Emergency situation !!..On the other hand, there just might be something happening...BUT for one reason or another no-one wants to tell those that do matter.... some reports do inform me that the Board of Directors see WE the Hoi-Polloi as being unimportant, and a nuisance for having the temerity to question their behaviour!....perhaps this motivates their desire to demonstrate an almost total silence on the matter??..

SO....No one is saying anything of substance...The Fund-ometer is stuck at £81,000+..... another day has slipped by!!... and a predicament ,which on the surface of it, looks as if it could be answered by total cooperation from all those who say that they Love the Club !...that want to see it survive!..
that they are skilled, committed and sincere individuals....Is, instead the victim of galloping intransigence !!.

I'm glad that your generous-hearted and bright little-one is still showing her commitment to the cause !....but don't take her to see Mr O'Neil please !...
She, just might, like another recent visitor to 'the Crown', be seduced (if that's the right expression!)..by a generalised statement of loyalty and well-meaning !...but I doubt if she would come away any the wiser in relation to the True Picture of the Status Quo therein!!....If t DON knows what that is...he certainly does not want to share it with anyone !....Not even the one person who could Save our Stanley tomorrow!!.

I'm going on again!........'QUO VADIS STANLEY ????'

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thanks for that, I wish I could give eveyone the answers they need, teach me to mouth off and get invited down. They said so much but I didn't take a pen and paper with me I suppose I'll never make an investigative journalist :rolleyes: and with my bad memory by the time I'd got home I'd forgotten half of it:(

It's down to the club to tell everyone what's going on I still dont understand why they dont communicate better.

Cheers again for the post sorry if I've let people down.

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Shurm !... You've more than fulfilled what you set out to do!!.....entered the Holy of Holies !....met the Gurus !....reported faithfully on what they had to say in relation to 'the Emergency'!....If this wasn't accurate, or comprehensive, then this was no fault of yours!!.....and I'm afraid we will all share in the fate of hearing these platitudes and vague utterances which at times just don't add-up, or worse still don't quite make sense

Still you got the Tea and Biscuits...Earl Grey and Bourbon I hope!!!.

Karma on the way!!....'QUO VADIS STANLEY???'....do tell us!!

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Thanks. :o

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On the S.O.S. Website, there is a seperate column - private donations, that is any donation by anybody! Not saying that any director has, but we cannot say that they have not!! :confused: :)

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If you had no emotions you would have to support Chelsea ;)

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I don't agree, everyone who does anything for ASFC is a supporter, but the lads & lassies who go home & away are obviously giving away more time to the club.

"Bubs" has been going home & away since the early '90's;he's certainly a better supporter than me!

Some fans have been going since Peel Park.... again far better suporters than me.

Yes, obviously, sometimes things get in the way. But the fans who can prioritise & commit to home & away should be applauded......:)

Just my opinion :theband:

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Well done Shurm ...

I thought you were being a bit too unthinkingly critical before yesterday, but now you've managed something nobody else seems to have been able to do, and I can't believe people are whinging because you didn't come back with the answers to their own favourite questions - actually that's not true, I can believe it given the way this messageboard goes, but think it's ridiculously unfair.

As (squared) is the suggestion that you were "seduced".

More power to your elbow, mate.

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These two paragraphs epitomise the predicament we face. :(

A young girl empties her piggy bank in the hope that the contents will go some way to help.

The second paragraph sums it all up... MY OWN OPINION, but I feel the fans are being kept in the dark. Just as any parent would protect a child from the awful truths about the many awful things that happen in life.

Supposedly pointed statements from the club stating directors are going to put money in the pot.....More fundraising ideas in the pipeline.....:confused:

Over half way towards the deadline and not even 1/3rd of the money raised....:(

Nothing on the official website to alleviate the many concerned and worried fans...:mad:

If the present regime are SERIOUS, HONEST and COMITTED, ...In MY OPINION and moreover echoed by the sentiments of many...it's time they showed their hand, so to speak. Put the cards on the table and let's all see....:confused:

What sort of contributions are O'Neill and the directors going to make and when???? What is the true extent of the financial problems we as a club face??? What is the present regime's strategy to clear such debts ?? (Other than the tax bill,some of which we may not even know about), What IS the long term strategy???:confused:

All I seem to see in the media, seems to be point scoring between the club and ASSF. Each think they possess the best strategy to take our beloved club away from this extinction threatening predicament and on towards hopefully better things.....and still the clock ticks relentlessly towards the deadline

I wasn't around in '62, but have read (and this may be right or wrong ) that the day after the resignation was tended and accepted , somebody turned up with the money to try and clear THAT debt, in order to try and save that side, but it was too late??? ...Please correct me if i'm wrong.:o

There's just over three weeks to go before the deadline that threatens to let lightening strike twice...

Hyde and their fans are looking forward to making plans to play in the F.A. Cup this season and continuing in the league, after they managed to sort THEIR situation out.

Can we look forward to Grimsby away the following Friday night after the tax deadline?? Can we keep our fingers crossed for a good draw in the first round proper of the F.A. Cup and hope to see our beloved club progress, hopefully on towards a money spinning draw in the next round or beyond???:confused:

It was mentioned in a statement I ( and many others have probably)read recently, that it was felt by some that " the board was playing poker with the clubs future" and that the present board are .... "fighting a forrest fire with a water pistol"...

Well, MY OWN OPINION, I'd like the present regime to show what sort of hand they're playing this situation with ....and what "firefighting measures" they plan to use....

Preferably sooner rather than later. And hopefully not too late.:(

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I agree. Well done, Shurm, and thanks for reporting back to us. :)

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If you make reference to my mention of one being seducedby the joint Charms of The Chairman and The CEO... this actually referred to another of my confidantes and not to Shurm Chimer!...who I am sure would have the mettle to ignore such moves made in his direction !!

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I should be so lucky, Mr Y! ;)

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Apologies yonmon, I must have hit a rock lurking below the surface of your stream of consciousness ...... I've got the babel fish properly connected again now.

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"and in a puff of his own logic God disappeared"

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Succinctly wonderful Macca!!..the quality of our postings improves daily!....hopefully just like the fortunes of 'The Reds ?''

(Alfred.E. is also impressed by Chimer's interjection,,, and your perspicacity!!but feels that a pithy comment from Cashy...who is as we know is otherwise detained!...would have completed the set!!)

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detained ?? you mean deported :D