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maccawozzagod 05-10-2009 15:22
Dave O'Neil statement
 
I'm led to believe that The Don is to make a statement this afternoon but I dont know the source and can't find any reference to it. Does anybody else know about this - radio maybe?

K.S.H 05-10-2009 15:29
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Yeah, I've been told he's making one but didn't say where it would be, I presumed fishy site but nothing on there yet

Whalley Red 05-10-2009 15:48
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Now on fishy site:

David O'Neill
Monday 5th Oct 2009
http://www.accringtonstanley.co.uk/gfx/news/ball.gifhttp://www.accringtonstanley.co.uk/gfx/news/line.gif
Statement
I have been accused of being quiet over the last few weeks which to some extent is true, as it seemed the more that I spoke in the press the more the attention was diverted away from raising money and saving Accrington Stanley Football Club. Over the last few weeks the fundraising has undoubtedly suffered as a result of the ongoing saga in the press, and I do feel that I have been made out to be something of a villain. Some of the criticisms may be justified, however I feel that a lot are not.

Just over twelve months ago when the club was struggling I put £100,000 of my own money in to keep the club going, and have put over half as much again since that time. On top of that I have provided cars for players and coaching staff, accommodated players without charge in my properties, and worked full time for the last two years or so without taking a penny out of the club in either wages or expenses. This isn’t about me talking myself up and I am not looking for accolades as there are many here, both staff, supporters and other volunteers, who keep this club going and make Accrington Stanley what it is. I would just like to restore a little balance in the opinions that have been formed of me.

The supporters fund offer that was tabled at the start of our fundraising campaign was not in my opinion the best way forward for our club. In many ways it would have been the easy option for me, however sometimes the easy option is not the best solution. I believe that the current team that we have here at the club are best suited to run the club, and when they have their time freed up from fighting the fires of recent weeks they will show this to be the case. As a club we were not intending to rely on the money from the supporters fund and so the withdrawal of the offer isn’t the nail in the coffin that it is perhaps being seen as.

There is a lot of work to do over the coming 23 days, and I would urge all who hold Stanley dear to work with the club and to support the fundraising events that are taking place. I will continue our discussions with HMRC and keep all informed as to our progress. In closing I am very aware of the responsibility I have to the club and to the town, and I assure you that I will not let Accrington Stanley fold again.

caretaker 05-10-2009 15:53
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Well done dave I am pleased with this news

expatriate 05-10-2009 15:53
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Hello Everyone. I dont know about Mr O Neil, but I spoke with BBC lancs, and the link is below. My interview was prior to Mr O Neil's statement. You will note my comments as they relate to the directors and mr o neil. Hopefully this will now help address some questions.

BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | A | Accrington | Khan ends offer to help Stanley

Revived Red 05-10-2009 16:05
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[quote from DON's statement=Whalley Red;750762,]Over the last few weeks the fundraising has undoubtedly suffered as a result of the ongoing saga in the press[/quote]

Wrong. The fundraising has suffered because of lack of leadership and initiative from the club.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Whalley Red (Post 750762)
The supporters fund offer that was tabled at the start of our fundraising campaign was not in my opinion the best way forward for our club.
So what was/is the best way forward? We STILL don't know.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Whalley Red (Post 750762)
I believe that the current team that we have here at the club are best suited to run the club
:confused::confused::confused: Who do we include in that team?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Whalley Red (Post 750762)
There is a lot of work to do over the coming 23 days, and I would urge all who hold Stanley dear to work with the club and to support the fundraising events that are taking place. I will continue our discussions with HMRC and keep all informed as to our progress.
What is meant by "work with the club"? Doing what exactly? "Keep all informed as to progress":confused::confused::confused:. Now that would be a novelty.

I note no thanks to Peter Marsden for what he has done for the club.

simon 05-10-2009 16:10
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Nothing NEW or of any help in this Statement. Just what was said at the fans forum ????

ukcowboy 05-10-2009 16:13
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Fully agree with the last 2 posters..............O Neil, you have said NOTHING NEW, go now and take the rest of the Board with you.............oh and dont slam the door on your way out...................bloody angry :((

maccawozzagod 05-10-2009 16:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 750764)
Well done dave I am pleased with this news
which news Caretaker? nothing has been said. basically we just carry on and hope that we raise the required amount?

23 days left fellow Stanleyites - get working

JEFF 05-10-2009 16:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Whalley Red (Post 750762)
Now on fishy site:

David O'Neill
Monday 5th Oct 2009
http://www.accringtonstanley.co.uk/gfx/news/ball.gifhttp://www.accringtonstanley.co.uk/gfx/news/line.gif

In closing I am very aware of the responsibility I have to the club and to the town, and I assure you that I will not let Accrington Stanley fold again.
Question for Mr. O'Neill - Will Accrington Stanley still be a League Two club with no points deduction in December 2009 ?

shillelagh 05-10-2009 16:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by expatriate (Post 750765)
Hello Everyone. I dont know about Mr O Neil, but I spoke with BBC lancs, and the link is below. My interview was prior to Mr O Neil's statement. You will note my comments as they relate to the directors and mr o neil. Hopefully this will now help address some questions.

BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | A | Accrington | Khan ends offer to help Stanley

Have put radio lancs on and theyre going to be talking about the latest news from accy stanley from 6pm ..

Wynonie Harris 05-10-2009 16:19
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Fine words, but short on substance.

WHY is the supporters fund offer not the best way forward?

HOW are we going to raise £200K+ in 23 days?

Bagpuss 05-10-2009 16:28
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I said it in another thread simply O'Neill feck off now.

Whalley Red 05-10-2009 16:32
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Interesting six-minute radio interview with Ilyas in the link that he provided:

He wouldn't rule out putting money into the club in the future, only that he couldn't foresee any circumstance in which the current Board would ask him for money.


Marcelle Lazarus is on the radio tonight ... see fishy site for details.

Revived Red 05-10-2009 16:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Whalley Red (Post 750778)
Marcelle Lazarus is on the radio tonight ... see fishy site for details.
Aha! So this is where she plans to announce how much she has raised for the SOS Fund. We can't wait, can we?:confused:

yonmon 05-10-2009 16:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 750775)
Fine words, but short on substance.

WHY is the supporters fund offer not the best way forward?

HOW are we going to raise £200K+ in 23 days?
Not even Fine words in my opinion Wyn !......a collection of ill-chosen platitudes which persuade me to think that there is a very good reason why our Co-Chairman is seldom if ever the one chosen to be the 'mouthpiece' for the Club...and what is more I don't feel in any way uplifted or enthused by what he has said....just a little more disheartened and dismayed by this sad effort to placate his detractors!!.


WHERE WILL IT ALL END ???

yonmon 05-10-2009 17:01
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[QUOTE=Revived Red;750780]Aha! So this is where she plans to announce how much she has raised for the SOS Fund. We can't wait, can we?:confused:[/QUOTE


I'm not holding my breath Red !...The odds are stacked against any earth-shattering news regarding our Club being unveiled by this elusive and some would say uncommunicative lady!!...

Hope that someone records it though !....

'
You're on Ms.Lazarus!!'

Willie Miller 05-10-2009 17:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 750777)
I said it in another thread simply O'Neill feck off now.
You got a plan for who takes over?

John Batchelor? An Arab businessman? That bird off Corrie? Jim Bowen?
Winstanley the mascot?

:D

Doug 05-10-2009 17:13
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In closing I am very aware of the responsibility I have to the club and to the town, and I assure you that I will not let Accrington Stanley fold again.

You will be held at your word and it won’t just be history that will judge you Mr. O’Neil. For Christ sake open up and stop acting like a wounded Jessie.

Be open with us; tell us where you are and what you are doing to address this situation. Talking to the tax man won’t end the speculation or the criticism you need to be a proactive owner, prove that you care as the supporters do; start building bridges, start gaining trust of those who come through the gates and those that put their hands in their pockets even those that don’t even support the club.

Start by explaining why you feel that Mr. Khan’s offer wasn’t what the club needs then people might understand you more. What the hell will Marcella specking on Jewish Radio do for us at this end and at this juncture; is she hoping to attract financial support from the Jewish community, just what are people thinking over there…David; there are many good and hard working people at the club as you say, get a crisis support team together, put a community focused Director at the head of it and start communicating, start leading from the front and you maybe surprised.

shillelagh 05-10-2009 17:16
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According to radio lancs they've got david o'neil replying to ilyias khans statement

Doug 05-10-2009 17:22
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Mr. Khan stated in his interview that it would take a devoted Accrington Stanley supporter to give to the fund unconditionally and he has given £ 25k as a direct result of his withdrawal. With hindsight should the approach to the issue of the clubs debts been better dealt with by a simple substantial donation first. I am ungrateful to Mr. Khan or his efforts, but the net result is confusion and regret across all of Stanlydom.

Mr Khan irrespective of the current outcome Accrington Stanley still needs your support whether the club agrees or not. My understanding is that the ASSF approach was a great part of the issue surrounding the rejection as was the requirement to give up ownership on Mr. O’Neil’s part. Is there no other way you feel you could work with the current board?

Doug 05-10-2009 17:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 750792)
According to radio lancs they've got david o'neil replying to ilyias khans statement

When?

shillelagh 05-10-2009 17:24
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hes on now

shillelagh 05-10-2009 17:26
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with any luck it will be on their website later ..

maccawozzagod 05-10-2009 17:26
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******, just caught the very end of this.

the £25k written off by Ilyas is a big help and we now all need to get back to where we were four weeks ago before all this kicked off

Doug 05-10-2009 17:27
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****....

Stanleymad 05-10-2009 17:29
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darn missed it :(

Redraine 05-10-2009 17:29
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After listening to D'ON we are screwed. Not one concrete idea emerged as to how he intends to avoid the winding up. Just drivel and hot air. Reminded me of Eric Whalley. We need a revolution to wrest power from the current regime.

Revived Red 05-10-2009 17:38
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Presumably the interviewer did not press him on this. What's wrong with these media people? We needed a Paxman or a Humphrys to really have a go at him.

BERNADETTE 05-10-2009 17:44
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My heart really goes out to all you lads and lasses who have clung onto the hope that the club was on the way to being rescued. All your support is to be applauded and it is to be hoped that a solution is found before D-Day for the club. Your despair can be felt just reading the posts and must say that I got just a small taste of the love Stanley generates the other week when I was travelling down Whalley Road and saw all the fans and supporters who had come to watch a Friday night match. The excitement was palpable and not only does the club benefit but local bussinesses were doing a roaring trade. Really hoping a solution is found and fast!!!!

shakermaker 05-10-2009 17:54
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O'Neill needs to put his money where his mouth is. Still no donation from directors into the fund; only one less director.

Of the people appointed by O'Neill, who has done what exactly? Marcelle has done nothing for the club except have a night out at the dogs and appear in a couple of specialist media outlets. Granville, as far as we know, got lost somewhere.

Ilyas Khan could've wiped the club's debts clean and recapitalised the club. That was deemed as 'too conditional' and 'not in the best interests of Accrington Stanley Football Club'. ON WHAT ****ING PLANET is that not in the best interests of ASFC? O'Neill would've lost a holding majority in a debt-ridden, North West Counties bound wasted club and gained a position within a debt-free club with potential to prosper. He would've made his money back in a few seasons if he so wished. But no. He didn't even have the courtesy to meet with Mr Khan and discuss the offer.

David 'don't blame me, it's not my problem' O'Neill is only looking out for number one. He knew well before the winding-up order that HMRC were on the hunt and that football clubs were being targeted primarily. He knew that he did not have the funds to wipe the debt clean and move the club forward. He knows that he can't support a football league club financially. David O'Neill can't cope and is too stubborn to see that.

Despite what anyone says, Accrington deserves a football league team. Of course we will all watch Stanley whoever we play in whatever league, but that feeling of hammering goals past ex-Premier League big boys pretending to be massive and actually competing in the league is what it's all about. Constantly proving people wrong. It'll be tragic to see this club resign and fall.

What we face now is a question of the lesser of two evils. Do we let this club fall unfairly into the pits of non-league football or do we fight to clear this immediate debt, putting up with the total idiot that currently owns the club? I'd rather not raise money to keep O'Neill in his ignorant bliss, but now Mr Khan has been told to **** off for the last time there's no way to save the club without backing O'Neill. As has been said elsewhere (think it was WM) and should perhaps be used as a new slogan for fans; we can't let Coley & the boys down. They deserve this club to be in the football league just as much as the faithful do, if not moreso.

Redraine 05-10-2009 17:54
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Pathetic from the interviewer:-
"Did you expect all this when you took over?"
"Has it been a stressful time for you?"
"How confident are you that the debt will be cleared?"
"Thank you for coming on - I know you don't like interviews"
W.T.F.?
Complete absence of probing of O'Neil's wishy-washy platitudes, like " Lets all get together and get this thing sorted out".
Words fail me.

Bagpuss 05-10-2009 17:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Willie Miller (Post 750787)
You got a plan for who takes over?

John Batchelor? An Arab businessman? That bird off Corrie? Jim Bowen?
Winstanley the mascot?

:D
PMSL :D nice one.

At the moment I believe any of those would do a better job than DON, my personal favourite from that list would be Mr Bowen, smashing.:)

yonmon 05-10-2009 17:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Revived Red (Post 750805)
Presumably the interviewer did not press him on this. What's wrong with these media people? We needed a Paxman or a Humphrys to really have a go at him.


"And I assure you that I will not let Accrington Stanley fold again".

He was pressed on this statement Red...and honesty he sounded more Hopeful than Assured !!...However.as he admitted the man finds it difficult to find what to say when interviewed..so perhaps he was a little bit 'lost'...or did he just sound that way!!.

Still, there's Ms Lazarus' declarations to come ...so who knows??

'ON MARCELLE....ON!!!'

Revived Red 05-10-2009 18:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Redraine (Post 750815)
Pathetic from the interviewer:-
"Did you expect all this when you took over?"
"Has it been a stressful time for you?"
"How confident are you that the debt will be cleared?"
"Thank you for coming on - I know you don't like interviews"
W.T.F.?
Complete absence of probing of O'Neil's wishy-washy platitudes, like " Lets all get together and get this thing sorted out".
Words fail me.
Just as I thought.:( Are there no real budding investigative reporters out there?:confused::confused:

Stanleymad 05-10-2009 18:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 750817)
PMSL :D nice one.

At the moment I believe any of those would do a better job than DON, my personal favourite from that list would be Mr Bowen, smashing.:)
I was banking on winstanley with those puppy dog eyes money will roll in. That bird out of corrie always finds solutions to problems ours a piece of cake to her. As for wishful thinking - well thats me :)

Redraine 05-10-2009 18:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by yonmon (Post 750818)

"And I assure you that I will not let Accrington Stanley fold again".

He was pressed on this statement Red...and honesty he sounded more Hopeful than Assured !!...However.as he admitted the man finds it difficult to find what to say when interviewed..so perhaps he was a little bit 'lost'...or did he just sound that way!!.

Still, there's Ms Lazarus' declarations to come ...so who knows??

'ON MARCELLE....ON!!!'
Stop kidding yourself, Yonmon! O'Neill had a golden opportunity to allay our fears and came up with jack s**t. No way can this lot keep us in the football league.

Revived Red 05-10-2009 18:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by yonmon (Post 750818)

"And I assure you that I will not let Accrington Stanley fold again".

He was pressed on this statement Red...and honesty he sounded more Hopeful than Assured !!...However.as he admitted the man finds it difficult to find what to say when interviewed..so perhaps he was a little bit 'lost'...or did he just sound that way!!.

Still, there's Ms Lazarus' declarations to come ...so who knows??

'ON MARCELLE....ON!!!'

A good interviewer should make it easy for him to know what to say.
  • "Will you personally be putting any more more money into the SOS Fund, Mr O'Neill?" (To help him, the answer would be YES or NO)
  • "Will any of your fellow board members be putting more more into the SOS Fund, Mr O'Neill?" (Again YES or NO)
......and now for a really difficult one because it requires a full sentence :
  • "What fund raising plans do you have, Mr O'Neill?"
But the real reason for his reticence could well be that he did not want to steal Marcelle's thunder when she reveals all (about fundraising, of course) on her radio programme.

Redraine 05-10-2009 18:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 750814)
O'Neill needs to put his money where his mouth is. Still no donation from directors into the fund; only one less director.

Of the people appointed by O'Neill, who has done what exactly? Marcelle has done nothing for the club except have a night out at the dogs and appear in a couple of specialist media outlets. Granville, as far as we know, got lost somewhere.

Ilyas Khan could've wiped the club's debts clean and recapitalised the club. That was deemed as 'too conditional' and 'not in the best interests of Accrington Stanley Football Club'. ON WHAT ****ING PLANET is that not in the best interests of ASFC? O'Neill would've lost a holding majority in a debt-ridden, North West Counties bound wasted club and gained a position within a debt-free club with potential to prosper. He would've made his money back in a few seasons if he so wished. But no. He didn't even have the courtesy to meet with Mr Khan and discuss the offer.

David 'don't blame me, it's not my problem' O'Neill is only looking out for number one. He knew well before the winding-up order that HMRC were on the hunt and that football clubs were being targeted primarily. He knew that he did not have the funds to wipe the debt clean and move the club forward. He knows that he can't support a football league club financially. David O'Neill can't cope and is too stubborn to see that.

Despite what anyone says, Accrington deserves a football league team. Of course we will all watch Stanley whoever we play in whatever league, but that feeling of hammering goals past ex-Premier League big boys pretending to be massive and actually competing in the league is what it's all about. Constantly proving people wrong. It'll be tragic to see this club resign and fall.

What we face now is a question of the lesser of two evils. Do we let this club fall unfairly into the pits of non-league football or do we fight to clear this immediate debt, putting up with the total idiot that currently owns the club? I'd rather not raise money to keep O'Neill in his ignorant bliss, but now Mr Khan has been told to **** off for the last time there's no way to save the club without backing O'Neill. As has been said elsewhere (think it was WM) and should perhaps be used as a new slogan for fans; we can't let Coley & the boys down. They deserve this club to be in the football league just as much as the faithful do, if not moreso.
Great post, Shaker, but;-
"there's no way to save the club without backing O'Neill" seems to be a non-starter unless he grovels at Ilyas's door, and as Ilyas says, that's not going to happen. O'Neill will go down with his ship like the captain of the Titanic.

Bagpuss 05-10-2009 18:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Redraine (Post 750828)
O'Neill will go down with his ship like the captain of the Titanic.
It's not his ship it's ours, he's just a stowaway.:(

Redraine 05-10-2009 18:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 750832)
It's not his ship it's ours, he's just a stowaway.:(
Untrue, sadly. If it was our ship Ilyas would be on board it.

caretaker 05-10-2009 19:12
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I am starting to get the impression that even if David Oniel was to pay off Whalleys tax bill, pay the players wages out of his own pocket, put a new roof on the away stand, and give away free pie and peas to the home fans,he still would not be liked(can this be true)?

Fatso 05-10-2009 19:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 750865)
I am starting to get the impression that even if David Oniel was to pay off Whalleys tax bill, pay the players wages out of his own pocket, put a new roof on the away stand, and give away free pie and peas to the home fans,he still would not be liked(can this be true)?
I'd like anyone that bought me a pie... :)

Revived Red 05-10-2009 19:24
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I rather think so. But if he were to give free pie and peas to the away fans (beef sarnies for Hereford, jellied eels for Barnet), he may win a modicum of popularity.

Willie Miller 05-10-2009 19:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 750865)
I am starting to get the impression that even if David Oniel was to pay off Whalleys tax bill, pay the players wages out of his own pocket, put a new roof on the away stand, and give away free pie and peas to the home fans,he still would not be liked(can this be true)?
If he gets us out of this mess he will have my unconditional support, forever.

Doug 05-10-2009 19:28
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If or When he pulls this off....many of us will look complete T***s.

yonmon 05-10-2009 19:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Redraine (Post 750824)
Stop kidding yourself, Yonmon! O'Neill had a golden opportunity to allay our fears and came up with jack s**t. No way can this lot keep us in the football league.


That's exactly what I was trying to say in my own Archaic manner Red!....and I think that you know that I have little or no confidence in the abilities of 'THIS LOT as my post on 'HIS' written statement outlined !.

' WHERE TO NOW STANLEY ????'

Wynonie Harris 05-10-2009 19:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug (Post 750873)
If or When he pulls this off....many of us will look complete T***s.
If he pulls this one off, I will be more than happy to look a complete t**. Wouldn't be the first time, anyway. ;)

Doug 05-10-2009 19:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Willie Miller (Post 750870)
If he gets us out of this mess he will have my unconditional support, forever.
And many will follow.....just like they followed Eric Whalley not so very long a go; he was a God to many...

I feel that Mr. O’Neil is trying to emulate Mr. Whalley in some ways or he’s been mentored in some way, but if he does gown a pair of is own and takes advice from others close too, we may well find ourselves signing “Going up with David & John” and meaning every word.


Not long ago TM shot me down for saying I wasn't convinced about the new regime; that turned out to be true…I’m not sure that Mr. O’Neil will stay at the Crown; but I do think we will come out of this not too badly off.

Doug 05-10-2009 19:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 750878)
If he pulls this one off, I will be more than happy to look a complete t**. Wouldn't be the first time, anyway. ;)

Oh I know how that feels Mr. Harris, but like you i'll be a happy T***

Wynonie Harris 05-10-2009 19:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug (Post 750881)
Oh I know how that feels Mr. Harris, but like you i'll be a happy T***
Well in that case, we'll make a right pair, won't we? ;)

Jesus_was_A_red_ 05-10-2009 19:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 750865)
I am starting to get the impression that even if David Oniel was to pay off Whalleys tax bill, pay the players wages out of his own pocket, put a new roof on the away stand, and give away free pie and peas to the home fans,he still would not be liked(can this be true)?
Very unlikely outcome if we are to be realists. Stanley wouldnt be in the position we are in if he had money to do these things. Why did he take on EWS tax bill with no way of paying it off other than making people go begging on behalf of a debt he has purchased?

Ive nothing against the guy personally other than he his obviously not the right man to run a football club. The way he has conducted himself is disgraceful. He has made a wrong financial decision in taking over Stanley with no financial clout, the clubs mounting debts and all the other things that are likely to be exposed he is out of his depth and beggers the question why the hell has he put himself in this position ? I think he is unlikely to get business deal of the year award anyway.
Does anyone know how much he paid for the club or was it a case of buying the debt as it outweighs the value. Ilyas Khans fears have proved he was right before the don took over so I am 99.9% sure he is right now also. Its public knowledge now that an offer has been on the table yet the directors want the people of lancashire to pay it off rather than having shares diluted. The sympathy is already non-existent outside. You cant fool everyone well not me anyway. I wish for a rosey outcome but all i can see it at the very best is debts to pay off debts to buy a little more time.

Tealeaf 05-10-2009 19:44
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It's just a shame the club is not a bank, because by now we would be in state ownership.

lancsdave 05-10-2009 20:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Willie Miller (Post 750870)
If he gets us out of this mess he will have my unconditional support, forever.

I'm curious about this one. What is considered "getting us out of this mess" ?

If the money is raised by the fans, is it considered that the board have got the club out of the mess ?

kenny254 05-10-2009 21:55
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If people put as much effort into getting behind Mr O'neill and the hard working people at Accrington Stanley, instead of making silly little insignificant comments then the possibility of the club being saved may become more of a reality..... Have you ever thought that Mr Khan might be a glory hunter, who is enjoying the discontent at the club.........

Doug 05-10-2009 21:57
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[quote=kenny254;750967]If people put as much effort into getting behind Mr O'neill and the hard working people at Accrington Stanley, instead of making silly little insignificant comments then the possibility of the club being saved may become more of a reality..... Have you ever thought that Mr Khan might be a glory hunter, who is enjoying the discontent at the club.........[/quote]


No..........

lancsdave 05-10-2009 22:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny254 (Post 750967)
If people put as much effort into getting behind Mr O'neill and the hard working people at Accrington Stanley, instead of making silly little insignificant comments then the possibility of the club being saved may become more of a reality.....
You're right, it's so blatantly obvious nobody on here has lifted a finger to help :rolleyes:

Willie Miller 05-10-2009 22:03
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I did though think he was in it for the long haul, yet he has bailed with 23 days till D-Day. But there ain't no right or wrong, just a mess!

Nickelson 05-10-2009 22:04
Re: Dave O'Neil statement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny254 (Post 750967)
Have you ever thought that Mr Khan might be a glory hunter, who is enjoying the discontent at the club.........
He has invested so much into a club with gaping holes. So i think not.

kenny254 05-10-2009 22:04
On stanley on>>>>>
 
How can the present situation at Accrington Stanley be the fault of Dave O'Neill, he hasen't got the club into this financial mess, but people are determind to blame him and make him out to be the bad guy that we should be in favour of flogging... There are a lot of hard working people at Accrington Stanley, who work long hard hours for a very basic wage, people are to quick to judge. I for one are getting behind the local club who deserves backing and support from the people of Accrington.

Wynonie Harris 05-10-2009 22:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny254 (Post 750967)
Have you ever thought that Mr Khan might be a glory hunter, who is enjoying the discontent at the club.........
Yeah, that's right, never heard of him up to a few weeks ago. Who the hell is he, anyway? Soddin' bandwagon jumper! :rolleyes:

Nickelson 05-10-2009 22:05
Re: On stanley on>>>>>
 
Why start a new thread ?

Redskin 05-10-2009 22:09
Re: On stanley on>>>>>
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny254 (Post 750978)
How can the present situation at Accrington Stanley be the fault of Dave O'Neill, he hasen't got the club into this financial mess, but people are determind to blame him and make him out to be the bad guy that we should be in favour of flogging... There are a lot of hard working people at Accrington Stanley, who work long hard hours for a very basic wage, people are to quick to judge. I for one are getting behind the local club who deserves backing and support from the people of Accrington.

Here, Here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kenny254 05-10-2009 22:09
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Why not...

katei77 05-10-2009 22:14
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dont think ppl are blaming him for the mess but are blaming him for no straight forward answers

Revived Red 05-10-2009 22:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by katei77 (Post 750989)
dont think ppl are blaming him for the mess but are blaming him for no straight forward answers
and for lack of leadership, and lack of initiative, and inability to communicate, and unwarranted personal attack on another individual, and failure to compromise, and losing the support of his vice-chairman ........

Redskin 05-10-2009 22:19
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Some people use the media, some people don't!......and that's not a criticism!

Stanleymad 05-10-2009 22:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny254 (Post 750985)
Why not...
Erm can we keep discussions on topics already threaded rather than starting new ones basically with same topic, or otherwise be unindated with new threads sayin same thing, so hence move to more appropiate place where this discussion is in existance, thank you please:D

Redskin 05-10-2009 22:22
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Thank God for British Justice!!!!!!!!

Revived Red 05-10-2009 22:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Redskin (Post 750993)
Some people use the media, some people don't!......and that's not a criticism!
He was quite happy to use the medium of the club programme to launch an attack on another individual. But he failed to use that medium to put forward a positive alternative plan.

yonmon 05-10-2009 22:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Revived Red (Post 750996)
He was quite happy to use the medium of the club programme to launch an attack on another individual. But he failed to use that medium to put forward a positive alternative plan.
But has he got a positive alternative to put forward Red ?...If he has he didn't say anything in depth about it !.......Wish he would !!.......but..

I Bet that he doesn't do any more Radio interviews!

'Where to next ??????

katei77 05-10-2009 22:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Revived Red (Post 750992)
and for lack of leadership, and lack of initiative, and inability to communicate, and unwarranted personal attack on another individual, and failure to compromise, and losing the support of his vice-chairman ........
that may be very ture but he didnt cause the mess iin the 1st place but have to agreed he could of handle things alot better when the mess came to light when he 1st came to stanley,he must of known of the mess when he took over

i still believe he should give straight forward answers but a oneill witch hunt will not pay the taxman

kenny254 05-10-2009 22:46
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Like what? His time? No I think not, he is quick to judge and more than a little upset that he was not given first option to buy...sour grapes me thinks.
And he's clever enough to get people to belive his ever word, if he was as keen on saving the club as he says then why pull out? is it because people won't roll over and play dead to his demands? He wants it all and has thrown his dummy out when he was told no....

Willie Miller 05-10-2009 22:51
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[quote=kenny254;751004]if he was as keen on saving the club as he says then why pull out?quote]

He has a point!

Revived Red 05-10-2009 22:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny254 (Post 750978)
people are to quick to judge
Actually, you are quite wrong there. You should read the posts that were being written a couple of months ago. David O'Neill was trusted; people believed that he was the person to lead us out of the mess. There was some concern that he failed to act on the fundraising issue even before the last court hearing. Then after that court hearing, we waited ... and waited ... and waited. But no initiatives were forthcoming - except from the hardworking fans. Only now are the judgements being made, and he has brought that upon himself by those programme notes and by his failure to say exactly how he plans to pay off the debt. Of course, we may be wrong - he may have an ace up his sleeve. But now there is a huge cynicism within the fan base - and beyond it. No-one else is to blame for that.

Doug 05-10-2009 22:56
Re: Dave O'Neil statement
 
Mr. O’Neil is a very inapt communicator, which is blatantly obvious. However, there are those around him that are maybe less than helpful to his position otherwise he would have never had made the error he did with the programme. But without the financial assistance of Mr. Khan or Mr. Marsden, he’s all we’ve got….He Owns the Club, for now there’s nothing we can do but to continue to support Accrington Stanley and pray we come out of this **** smelling of roses.

Please; there are more than enough posts on the subject, please lets not make it any more difficult

kenny254 05-10-2009 23:11
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I am just in hope that he has a very big ace up his sleave and can manage to shut everyone up.... he'll be the best person for the job if he pulls this one off, the bloke can't win, this is not down to him and the backlash is very wrongly being aimed at him and his team, ...They asked for support the day after the court hearing? How do we know that initiatives and ideas were not being put forward behind closed doors...

Revived Red 05-10-2009 23:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug (Post 751009)
Please; there are more than enough posts on the subject, please lets not make it any more difficult
More difficult?:confused: Than what?:confused:

I for one am not happy to allow people to make claims that are untrue. And it was untrue to say that people were quick to judge the DON - they weren't.

Yes, at the moment he seems to be all we've got and we have to hope that he can get us out of the mess.

And we all support Accrington Stanley. Let's not confuse the club with any individuals.

Doug 05-10-2009 23:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Revived Red (Post 751013)
More difficult?:confused: Than what?:confused:

I for one am not happy to allow people to make claims that are untrue. And it was untrue to say that people were quick to judge the DON - they weren't.

Yes, at the moment he seems to be all we've got and we have to hope that he can get us out of the mess.

And we all support Accrington Stanley. Let's not confuse the club with any individuals.
I don't think we are really, and when I said about making it any more difficult, I meant by the number of posts we have to keep going back and forth over to discuss the same issue.

kenny254 05-10-2009 23:23
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I dont belive this is an untrue statement, I feel people have been quick to judge, a couple of months ago, noone really knew the extent of the problems, people wanted shut of Mr Whalley and were quite happy for DON to take the helm, it was only after he took over that the real financial problems came to light.

maccawozzagod 05-10-2009 23:46
Re: Dave O'Neil statement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny254 (Post 751018)
I feel people have been quick to judge,.
not true. he was given ample time, which now we dont have. For weeks we have been lied to, and for weeks we have been deceived. Allied to this is the fact that people like me and Loweiy (and others, just picking on the better known) are apparently not 'true fans'. He was given a chance to rescind this statement but 'stands by everything he has said'.

He has failed to lead, he has failed to inspire, and above all else he has failed to lead by example. At his point (22 days to go) we do not now have time to purely trust him. We need to take decisive action and make the individuals realise that they are without a shadow of a doubt taking the club down.


Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny254 (Post 751018)
a couple of months ago, no-one really knew the extent of the problems, it was only after he took over that the real financial problems came to light.
first part is true, second part is not. We owe significantly more than £308k but yet we are assured by the club that we only owe month-to-month trading. Absolutley, postively not true.

More lies

Fourth official 06-10-2009 08:10
Re: On stanley on>>>>>
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny254 (Post 750978)
How can the present situation at Accrington Stanley be the fault of Dave O'Neill, he hasen't got the club into this financial mess, but people are determind to blame him and make him out to be the bad guy that we should be in favour of flogging... There are a lot of hard working people at Accrington Stanley, who work long hard hours for a very basic wage, people are to quick to judge. I for one are getting behind the local club who deserves backing and support from the people of Accrington.
Very well said.If Dave O'Neill hadn't been 'in the wrong place at the wrong time' what situation would we be in now,if a certain Eric Whalley was still in charge.Obviously he hadn't the money to pay off these debts,how much further in debt would the club be?,perhaps that's why they turned to gambling to pay the debt off!!

kenny254 06-10-2009 13:09
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[quote=maccawozzagod;751028
first part is true, second part is not. We owe significantly more than £308k but yet we are assured by the club that we only owe month-to-month trading. Absolutley, postively not true.

More lies[/quote]

How can you be so sure that significantly more money is owed? Do you work in the day to day running of the club?.... Because the people who do work behind the scenes and who are under real threat of having no job after the end of the month are trying their very best and are the only people who truley understand what is going on, for gods sake give um a break.......

yonmon 06-10-2009 13:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny254 (Post 751162)
How can you be so sure that significantly more money is owed? Do you work in the day to day running of the club?.... Because the people who do work behind the scenes and who are under real threat of having no job after the end of the month are trying their very best and are the only people who truley understand what is going on, for gods sake give um a break.......


Kenny!!..Whilst I laud your compassionate leanings towards the Club's employees..Can I remind you that, due to the existing emergency, there just isn't time for anyone at 'The Crown Ground' be it The Co-Chairmen..The Directors...The CEO and all his Staff...to be given, or to take a break!!..

I would have thought ...with all the news, views, and opinions posted here ,there and every where on the Forum that you might have guessed that it's not only those previously mentioned who have some insight into the Fiscal and other matters making up the Debacle unfolding before our eyes..but also many other informed and intelligent persons who are privy to the details existing within these elements of concern !!.

I am also certain that, like me, you would hope that an urgent and more industrious resolution of the situation that is tearing the insides out of our proud Club...will lead to it's early salvation from it's throes !!




'ON STANLEY!!!!...ON!!!!'

kenny254 06-10-2009 14:38
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I never said take a break and do not belive they are...... I said give um a break, they are under stress at the thought of loosing their jobs and can well do without the many negative views.

Bagpuss 06-10-2009 14:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny254 (Post 750967)
If people put as much effort into getting behind Mr O'neill and the hard working people at Accrington Stanley, instead of making silly little insignificant comments then the possibility of the club being saved may become more of a reality..... Have you ever thought that Mr Khan might be a glory hunter, who is enjoying the discontent at the club.........
What a load of bull, now get back to doing what you're paid to do.:mad:

ukcowboy 06-10-2009 23:08
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I know this is a serious subject, but after reading the Don's statement I couldnt resist this little gem................the last couple of lines sum it up for me!!

YouTube - Carry on Cleo - Infamy

simon 06-10-2009 23:10
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Top bannana.............

DevonStanley 06-10-2009 23:42
Re: Dave O'Neil statement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny254 (Post 751018)
.... I feel people have been quick to judge, a couple of months ago, noone really knew the extent of the problems, people wanted shut of Mr Whalley and were quite happy for DON to take the helm, it was only after he took over that the real financial problems came to light.
What happened to "due diligence". Didn't DON go through the books to ascertain what the true picture was before he took over? Or is this too simplistic a question?

Anyway, what's done's done. We are where we are and it's only the supporters together with any benefactors who can be found who'll save us from administration or worse.

For the life of me, I can't see what's wrong with bringing Ilyas Khan on board, he does seem to have an impressive business track record and is clearly an intelligent man of some financial worth.

Long term, however, it's difficult to see how a club of our size can seriously compete in the Football League when attendances are so low.

Clearly there are sections of the Accrington public who support the club - many with soft words rather than hard cash through the turnstiles - but, in all honesty, I think there are too few of them to sustain the club at this level.

Any outside party - by that I mean anyone other than the current directors - interested in investing in or owning the club will need either deep pockets or be able to come up with something radical to keep a club with average gates barely above 1,000 solvent.

yonmon 07-10-2009 06:55
Re: Dave O'Neil statement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ukcowboy (Post 751387)
I know this is a serious subject, but after reading the Don's statement I couldnt resist this little gem................the last couple of lines sum it up for me!!

YouTube - Carry on Cleo - Infamy
...

As you might have guessed Cowboy, this pleases me immensely !...and now that 'The Ides of October' are upon US!...can I add this little reminder to our 'I'm no Villain' Co-Chairperson :-

It is now the 7th of October...the clock ticks a little louder than it did yesterday!...so just as my little effort for today...an Aide-Memoire !....

Your Pledge to everyone concerned is!:-

"I assure you that I will not let Accrington Stanley fold again.".


'LEST WE FORGET !!!'

Kiwi John 07-10-2009 08:07
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A SIMPLISTIC VIEW;
As the DON is such a successful businessman , like I and DEVON STANLEY above (and others ) have mentioned, he would've discovered the debt(s) when conducting due diligence prior to purchase. Therefore, it is safe to assume that he would have worked out how to repay it (them) to keep alive his investment BEFORE he concluded the deal with ERIC. Therefore,there is no need for any concearn for the future of ASFC.

If MR O'NEILL honestly didn't know of the debt(s) , then he is a total incompedent and isn't fit to hold a broom let alone own a football club.

glosterred 07-10-2009 08:54
Re: Dave O'Neil statement
 
Kiwi John you have it in a nutshell! none of this can have come as a surprise to the DON, if it did then some one should hide the broom:)

yonmon 07-10-2009 09:24
Re: Dave O'Neil statement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by glosterred (Post 751416)
Kiwi John you have it in a nutshell! none of this can have come as a surprise to the DON, if it did then some one should hide the broom:)
Alfred.E. writes.....Of course it's above me to comment thus.. but I can predict with some certainty that some of the more cynical postees on our Forum will be thinking..' And where would you suggest might be the best place to hide it then ??...'



"I assure you that I will not let Accrington Stanley fold again.".

'LEST WE FORGET !!!'

Fatso 07-10-2009 09:46
Re: Dave O'Neil statement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi John (Post 751412)
A SIMPLISTIC VIEW;
As the DON is such a successful businessman , like I and DEVON STANLEY above (and others ) have mentioned, he would've discovered the debt(s) when conducting due diligence prior to purchase. Therefore, it is safe to assume that he would have worked out how to repay it (them) to keep alive his investment BEFORE he concluded the deal with ERIC. Therefore,there is no need for any concearn for the future of ASFC.
However, bear in mind that at the time of the takeover the October 28th deadline had not been given; was there the assumption, at this time, that there was more time to pay off the taxman, with any such payment plan being centred around this assumption?

Revived Red 07-10-2009 10:03
Re: Dave O'Neil statement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatso (Post 751420)
However, bear in mind that at the time of the takeover the October 28th deadline had not been given; was there the assumption, at this time, that there was more time to pay off the taxman, with any such payment plan being centred around this assumption?
Surely any businessman would know that you don't make assumptions with HMRC. You deal in factual knowledge.

Let's not forget that the powers-that-be "assumed" that the Fraser Eagle shirt sponsorship lasted for five years when it was in fact only three. And that was before Fraser Eagle found itself in financial difficulties.

glosterred 07-10-2009 10:13
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Yonmon.... the question of where to hide the broom will open a whole other can of worms..... but my very sensible suggestion would be to place it in a cupbboard to be on the safe side:D

Fatso 07-10-2009 10:50
Re: Dave O'Neil statement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Revived Red (Post 751421)
Surely any businessman would know that you don't make assumptions with HMRC. You deal in factual knowledge.

Let's not forget that the powers-that-be "assumed" that the Fraser Eagle shirt sponsorship lasted for five years when it was in fact only three. And that was before Fraser Eagle found itself in financial difficulties.
You would think so, yes... but from looking at announcements at the Fishy site;

Quote:
The club have put forward proposals to clear the debt over the next twelve months, and HMRC are satisfied that the club are serious about clearing the debt and will continue to work with the club to that end.
Quote:
Just over twelve weeks ago HMRC agreed not to oppose an initial request for an adjournment after the football club submitted details proposals to repay the petition debt of £300,000 over a twelve month period. However in recent weeks it became clear that HMRC were going to seek a much shorter period of repayment ahead of the second hearing scheduled for today, and although negotiations continued until late last night it was not possible to avoid having to travel down to the court this morning.
and

Quote:
With our original twelve month plan we had sought to repay the money owed from the club’s annual turnover, by significantly reducing costs in some areas and increasing revenue streams in others. Because of this it would not have been necessary to go out and fundraise specifically for this cause.
It's not an unreasonable assumption that any initial plans were based on a 12th month repayment plan.

But, yes, when it comes to owing money to HMRC as any fule kno; you make sure you get the facts from them before doing anything.

Revived Red 07-10-2009 11:05
Re: Dave O'Neil statement
 
All those comments from the fishy site were based on an assumption, not an agreement. Look at David O'Neill's statement at the bottom of the SOS website home page.

yonmon 08-10-2009 07:09
Re: Dave O'Neil statement
 
OCTOBER 8th 2009 (Another 24 Hours 'crucial to the fate of Accrington Stanley ??')

AND MY CRUSADE CONTINUES !..(Because time is getting so Short!)..

Can I remind our Non-Villainous Joint Chair-person ??...Like Nelson Mandela's Chiropodist once said 'Defeat is just unthinkable !!'...and of his..(Do'N's not the Podiatrist!) pledge made to us all....

"I assure you that I will not let Accrington Stanley fold again.".

'LEST WE FORGET !!'


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