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In view of the conflicting messages emanating from the co-chairpersons this week it is surely fast approaching the time for us fans to stop pussy-footing about and organise something to present the board with something more physical than pleas via the media, which are falling on deaf ears.
How about a protest march with the theme "Show us the money or ship out" or something similar?
What does everyone think, especially the Ultras?

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i reckon that this weekend may well shed some further light on proceedings as we enter the final fortnight. The game against Bournemouth a week on saturday would be the time to do anything along these lines. If nothing has been forthcoming by the tueday/wednesday of that week then REAL direct action will be required.

The Bournemouth game would potentially be our last home league match and there would be just hours over a week remaining til D-Day.

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Yeah Ultras are in contact with the club today & ASSF tomorrow

Lets hope we all feel better in 7 days!

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Rob, can I assume then, that this weekend's events are outside Ms. Lazarus's influence or knowledge, otherwise she would not have made the worrying statement?

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AND keeping everyone so Happy and Focussed that Stanley's salvation is a foregone conclusion !!


Where will it all end ????

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24th Oct. Is the last Saturday before the court date, which is I believe 28th. I think that they picked 24th to give them the couple of days breathing space, counting time Etc. So we are down to less than 2 weeks to save the club...... :eek: I believe strongly that there will be a/some Stanley Saviour/s out there ;) :)

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There was...he's gone now. Sadly, saviours don't come along that often, so don't expect another one. :(

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WH, in the words of our FANtastic manager:- KEEP THE FAITH :)

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I think the don will pull it off.

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Wait and see.

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Please give us some sort of clue as to why you have this optimism we all would like to share.

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Roughly how LONG ??????????????

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I know you all will be waiting with baited breath to hear why am optimistic that Mr. David Oneil will pull it off. I now intend to give a statement regarding my reasons.
First and foremost is his own statement that he will not let Stanley fold.
Secondly even though some of you think that it is bad policy to be in debt, in the real world business is run on managed debt(anyone got a mortgage) . The Mancs and Liverpool owe Millions. The crucial debt at the moment is £308,000, about the same price as a detached house in Whalley. DON ownes houses,he lets some players stay in them for nothing, If he sells one of his houses, the debts gone. Dont look too far ahead, next season will pay the next crucial tax bill. Bobby Grant is worth a Million(imho) so lets all chill out,get behind the team and the manager, and chairman. If it does turn pearshape you can all say I TOLD YOU SO, meanwhile I will continue to remain possitive and await your howls of derision

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Does next season start in 2 weeks :confused:

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Not very convincing, Caretaker, though I sincerely hope your optimism is justified. I know plenty of people who own houses, but all are bought on a mortgage, so I wouldn't bank on that. Anyway, how long do you think it takes to sell a house these days?

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Its true Redraine, but you may be able to raise collateral against them

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Mortgages are given on the premise that the borrower has the capacity to pay the sum borrowed within the required timescale...fail to satisfy those conditions and it's repo time....

A.S.F.C. has been given an 8 week deadline to pay a debt, which in the eyes of many and in my opinion....is non negotiable... no deals or comprimises... I may be wrong...Maybe if the club pay the majority of the debt (and by that I mean at least 75/85 %+) H.M.R.C may give the club a little more time....

I hope the club aren't gambling on this being the case....and more to the point.... the nearer the deadline looms, as fans we're all still in the dark and hoping that we can meet or satisfy the terms of the deadline...

I'd re-itterate the views of a few that I spoke to at Yesterday's game against Cheltenham.... The people I spoke to are of the opinion that the club MUST have plans in place in order to satisfy the conditions of the impending deadline........maybe the views I heard were in hope or be it by faith....

At this point, I'd put myself into the faith and hope category, especially after turning away a man with the necessary capital to solve the immediate problem.


It's a pity the Club can't share the solution to the impending problem (IF they have it) with people who matter.. i.e the fans .....It would certainly put a lot of minds at some sort of comparitive rest.....maybe the club will share this information nearer to the time....once the matter is hopefully resolved...to the satisfaction of all concerned....

Either way....D- day looms large......28th October.

Like many I hope that we can look forward after that date and onwards and upwards......

Only time will tell.........

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Even more borrowing to add to the current debts? Barmy, if that's the plan after turning away megabucks.

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Are you trying to say we are going to borrow money on the strength of possible future earnings to pay one debt but taking on another debt? You cannot compare Stanley with Liverpool or Man Utd.

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I was asked to give my reasons why I was optimistic that the DON would get us out of the mess left behind by Whalley. I mentioned some of his options,how he does it is up to him. I think he will pull it off, and am confident I will use all my season tickets.

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Some of his options? All I think you mentioned was to sell one of "his" houses! When? Only 2 weeks to go.
Am I dreaming all this nonsense?

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Bump

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Message to the board, if it's not already too late - we're in the last chance saloon now.

YouTube - Wreckless Eric & Amy Rigby : Take The Cash

I only hope the mysterious "local businessman" is Ilyas, with a bail out for the taxman with conditions attached, otherwise it appears we're done for.
Ilyas was online on here yesterday.

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Less than a week to go.
Is there anything we can do as fans to find out the clubs future ?
Direct or not ?

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Fill out a holiday report? :rolleyes:

The whole affair is absolute garbage! Maybe a clean sweep and restart is the only way forward?

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I agree we the fans have been silent too long, pussy footing around, questions need to be answered.:mad:

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"Our initial target is to submit 10,000 reports, therefore £10,000"

Come on,Seriously as if :(

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Questions about how the whole business has been handled really must be asked and answered, whether or not the tax bill is paid. It seems to me that the longer it goes on without any meaningful announcement being made, the more doubtful it becomes that the bill can indeed be paid.

I feel that the fans have been very badly let down. They have put a huge amount of effort into the SOS Appeal, but the communication from the club has been too little, too generalised and too contradictory.

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Tell ya, its all down to "do I put my finger tips in my pocket or go right up to my elbows"

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If Mr.O'Neil is indeed on the walk to Rochdale as reported, then he'd better have some convincing answers ready.
Mussolini's fate at the end of WW2 will seem like a cake-walk by comparison if it all eventually goes t**s up.

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I consider you a friend; but to me talk like that, joking or not can only be detrimental; if David O’Neil or any managers, directors or phone sales girls attend the walk they should be welcomed and accommodated. They will have bigger sponsors and above that their presence should be seen as a gesture of solidarity.

Rob as asked for a fans forum; that should be the only place for venting spleens and wiping your ropes out.

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I appreciate your point of view, Doug, but surely the time has passed for patiently waiting for our fate? If there is not a big problem why have the club not allayed our fears? We all appear to be sleep-walking to disaster, although I hope with all my heart I am wrong. If the powers that be are in attendance on the walk I will welcome the opportunity to politely ask what the plan is, but if there are no satisfactory answers at this late stage, surely you would agree that we are doomed?

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We’re not doomed; they have too much to lose personally and like you say if they did **** us over they would have nowhere to hide.

Over the last few months seven or eight of us have criticized, pilloried, slagged and whinged our way out of their hearts, they owe us nothing. The vast majority of supporters have said little if anything and have trusted that all will be ok; and it will be ok in the end.

It’s the future we need to focus on; how can we help them move forward and by doing that we will assure ourselves of a future and reward what the lads are doing on the pitch.

If we keep on moaning and criticizing they will just shut the door even firmer.

That said a lot of good stuff has come out of discussion on this site, it wouldn’t hurt Mr. O’Neil or the club to take note and learn to work with us, and visa versa.

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i was asked today why are you dragging a 9yr old child baby in buggy and child in wheelchair all the way to rochdale for a club who still wont confirm the tax bill will be settled?

i didnt even to think about my answer

because that club means the world to my 9 yr old child,that child believes in her club,that child has not had her£2 sweet money a week since the SOS appeal started

all the blaming name calling etc.....will not pay the taxman!

If and it is HUGE IF the taxman is not paid then the name calling blame etc....is needed but the club is still here!

take yourself back to the start of the appeal remember the passion you had to save our stanley and take that with you every step you take on sat morning

i ve sat with a little girl sobbing her heart out so much so school have rang me she was not sick she was not be bullied she was not in trouble she was so scared she wouldnt have a stanley

the club could of handled this so so much better but they havent we cant change that but we can put our hands on our hearts and say we did everything we could

i may of not put this all down very well but im sat here watching my daughter making a banner to take on her walk on sat and all she does is turn and say

"mum look look its great im doing it really neat,ill b taking it to my games in november,wont i"

I ve got to have faith for her sake if a 9yr old believes stanley be here in november cant we grow ups?

is it not time no matter what your views of people in the club were put to one side and the passion for stanley was at the fore most of this appeal?

ill stop now because im just waffling

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Please feel free to pass on anything you might know as you did indicate you heard things last week.:confused:

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i wont repeat anything bagpuss(nice try:) )

but i wouldnt be dragging my kids all that way unless i had faith it will be paid

im just hoping i ve not be conned

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Pop in chat to Rob & David, its the only way. Scribbling on here won't help, D'On doesn't read it. Said if he did he wouldn't get anything done but replying to fans threads........

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When will people realize, these 'Self Serving Pigs', have no interest whatsoever in what any off us fans think.:mad:.
Perhaps if our co-chairman is on the walk on saturday, he will tell us, (if anyone one asks that is), if he has started signing the cheques yet !!.:eek:

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WM, your attitude to this is to be applauded...............genuinley, however, with all the 'untruths' that have come from our Chair and CEO in the past few weeks Im afraid that I,for one, cant bring myself to believe a word that they say anymore.

We have been assured that the Directors would be putting in £100,000 between them, yet even at this late stage it appears that this is yet another 'untruth'................unless it has escaped their notice, the money HAS to be CLEARED in HMRC's accounts BEFORE the court date.:eek:

As for 'popping in for a chat', I doubt very much that I would get straight and HONEST answers to any questions I would like to ask!

I remain VERY worried for the future of ASFC....................That said I would be ecstatic to be proved wrong, honestly :)

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Rob Heys is a fan, first & foremost. He was a regular home & away stanley fan before I started going home & away. He will be at Accy Stanley long after he is Cheif Exec

The man was smiling this morning when I spoke to him! That'll do for me....

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and people wonder why the donations have slowed down????

anyone reading this forum at the min wont be thinking my god the fans believe ill stick a few quid in

no matter what our views are we can not lose the faith in stanley

without the faith of the fans where will stanley be?

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Furthermore....

The fans have done all they can.... if the unimaginable does happen, our loyal, proud fan base never let the club down!

Stanley fans have joined together in solidarity
The players & management have responded
And I think in the long run, the administration will have learned a lot from mistakes made in during the SOS campaign

Stanley Forever!!!!!!!!

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I dont disagree, however He IS the Chief Exec, and as such is answerable Im afraid, regardless of His 'fanship'.............Sorry WM but your statement really doesnt hold much water atm.................:confused:

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It ain't a statement, just an opinion :)

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"in the long run, the administration will have learned a lot from mistakes made in during the SOS campaign".

As much as I would like to believe this, I really dont think it will make one bit of difference in the future\ Nor do I think they care.

"We are hoping to make an announcement in the next 48 hours. People deserve to be reassured that everything is going to be okay."
(A prevarication (also called a lie), is a type of deception in the form of an untruthful statement, especially with the intention to deceive others ...!!!!:mad:).

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If Willie Miller, shurm and Katei77 can be told why don't they make a statement, I really can't believe how the last few weeks have gone regarding the top men (ignoring the top woman who appears invisible) and the way they appear to be handling the Google Page Ranking. I would love to pop in for a chat but I have to work although I don't see why I should have to when we have a website and the local media, no matter what the final outcome they have won no friends over this.

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Sorry, WM, but I don't understand this at all. Are you suggesting that information can be given to individuals on a one-to-one basis but not to all other fans? Surely such information should be made generally known - or not divulged at all to anyone. For any organisation, it would be a bizarre way to manage information and the communication of information if it was given to a few individuals who happened to call into the office.

Someone surely relates to him the sense of genuine despair and disillusionment amongst the fans (possibly other than the chosen few). If they do not pass on this information, they certainly should do.

What it comes down to is abysmal management.

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Don't see what's so bloody difficult about this Google Page Ranking lark. All the main players sit down together - The Don, Rob, Coley, Marcelle, if she's not too busy, then you thrash out what you're going to say to the press and, ultimately, the fans. Then one spokesman puts out a clear and simple statement.

What you do NOT do is have one club representative talking about buying the ground one day, then another club representative talking about having to sell players the next day. And what you NEVER EVER do is put out rash statements about making an announcement in the next 48 hours because "people deserve to be reassured." Then follow that up with six days of total silence with no explanation whatsoever, finally concluding with the club chairman refusing to comment.

The club need to sort this...and fast.

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http://hem.passagen.se/accringtonsta...veyPacking.jpg

The setting and circumstance of the above image shall be repeated. The situation as I see it is beyond repair.

The massive debt that this club faces originates from Eric Whalley's ridiculous valuation on the club and therefore his failure to sell. Eric should've reacted to the team's success in the Conference and prepared to sell. He said on many occasions that he couldn't run a club in the Football League. He also said that the club had no debt. 2009 rolls around and Eric gets ready to jump ship as the authorities loom. Poor old David O'Neill gets lumbered with a club in masses of debt. Dave is clearly out of his depth and makes one truly terrible decision; he turns down the one chance to save the club. The offer he turned down was to pay off all debts that the club has and recapitalise it. He turned it down. Seriously. Now, even if he scrapes enough loans together to pay the tax man (which I'm sure he won't), he clearly can't run Accrington Stanley. The club will run at a loss due to its low attendances and lack of revenue aside from match days. The club needs constant injections of funds to keep its head above water. There aren't any sponsors knocking at the door and Dave hasn't got any more cash to put into the club. The fundraising ideas from the club have been few and far between; totally uninspiring for future income. I can't believe that there are some remnants of the 'Dave will sort it' attitude left around this place. It's actually sickening now.

If anybody can tell me that Accrington Stanley 1968 Ltd will still be playing football in Coca Cola League 2 after 24th October 2009, it'd be much appreciated. Stick some sort of logical reason to it and I'll be jumping for joy.

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So why tell us you know something then?

YOU'VE BEEN CONNED:(

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posted on the 10/10/09


Today we,myself fella and Hannah were guests of ASFC

We heard many convos between board and staff members

Please do not ask me to repeat any of these as i will not!

But i do believe 99.99% that ASFC will still be playing in NOV 09

I do believe that Hannah will be a stanley santa

We the fans may have to wait to the 11th hour but please believe

Please support as much as you can all SOS events

I ask you as a fan and a parent of a child who would be heart broken to lose ASFC

PLEASE BELIEVE IN ASFC!

If i am wrong you may shoot me on sight!


and i stll stand by this

i didnt say oh i know something

i said i believed we would come through this

and on wed it will tell if i ve be conned

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Make your mind up, do you know something or not???

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yes convos where i formed the view that the club would come through this and i still believe this

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This is worse than taggart!

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MaGGOT, TaGGART ......