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The interview I did with Ilyas Khan after he had spoken to the crowd at the ground is now available here: 2br -

Dan

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Nice one Dan the man

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Nice 1 mate, the futures bright... hopefully

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thank you dan that gives folk that are in the dark a chance to decide WHO the good guy is.

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Good interview Dan....Says it all really :)

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Thank you Dan for putting that up. Great interview.

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Thanks Dan

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Superb, i was actually there listening to it at the time outside the ground.

Im afraid Mr Heys also, your time is up.

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Thanks Dan & 2br :D:D

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I think Rob Heys is coming under a lot of unfair criticism. He is in a very difficult situation, drawn between his alliegance to his employers and the fans.
He can do nothing more than say what he is told to say, and if that means saying very little then so be it.

He is Stanley through and through, and he has had more to lose in all this trouble than any fan - mainly his livelyhood. As a member of staff, you can not be seen to be siding one way or the other, and I applaude him, and all the other staff members, for the way they have conducted themselves throughout this troubled period. To lose Rob would be like ripping the soul out of the club.

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How can those two lie through their teeth? Especially when they knew the truth would come out in the next ten mins. Thankyou Dan, and abig big thankyou to Ilyas. These two cannot be allowed to run this Club any longer.

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I actually agree with you Bob.

Cheer’s Dan.

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Sorry owd bob, theres a big differance between only saying what yer told n not telling the truth.:(

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To suggest that losing heys would be like ripping the soul out of the club is over the top.
He is not being judged on how nice he is, his pleasant personality,or how smart his suits are. Is he up to the job, has he been a stranger to the truth, has he been honest and open with his dealings with the fans? The soul wasnt ripped out when Whalley went into hiding. The soul of the club is more than Heys ,Whalley Oneil.

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here here caretaker.

As we know Rob is just a yes man, but after all, as Ilyas has said he has LIED to his face about financial matters.

that in my opinion means he is not fit for the role.

A revolution is what is required, which is hopefully what Ilyas will bring.

HEADS NEED TO ROLL

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Wasn't aware that the role of the Chief executive was to 'say what he is told to say'.
I thought that the chief executive's role was to advise the Chairman and the board.

Found this.
The role of the Chief Executive..

1. Board Administration and Support
Supports operations and administration of Board by advising and informing Board members, interfacing between Board and staff, and supporting Board's evaluation of chief executive
2. Program, Product and Service Delivery
Oversees design, marketing, promotion, delivery and quality of programs, products and services
3. Financial, Tax, Risk and Facilities Management
Recommends yearly budget for Board approval and prudently manages organization's resources within those budget guidelines according to current laws and regulations
4. Human Resource Management
Effectively manages the human resources of the organization according to authorized personnel policies and procedures that fully conform to current laws and regulations
5. Community and Public Relations
Assures the organization and its mission, programs, products and services are consistently presented in strong, positive image to relevant stakeholders
6. Fundraising (nonprofit-specific)
Oversees fundraising planning and implementation, including identifying resource requirements, researching funding sources, establishing strategies to approach funders, submitting proposals and administrating fundraising records and documentation

Some things he does well, some things he doesn't.
Maybe the job (or the title) is too big!
So let's not blame.

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Guys. Ilyas here. Just a very quick request. As i said last night, i think the time for laying blame will come, but for now, I dont believe we achieve much by trying to focus on individuals. We are all aware of the deception and the lying. In fact the public record is clear on some important aspects from yesterday. I also think accountability in office is something that is impossible to avoid. it catches up with us all. in this day and age, we all have to be accountable for what we do and say.

I also think - finally - that the actual untruths and lies that were committed or said have had a lot of airing. Rob in particular is the obvious culprit. I have always taken care to ensure that if he is caught, then he knows. I assume however that we MUST look forwards, not backwards. The club is bigger than all of us. Long after we have gone, the club will survive.

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Agreed; a revolution does need to happen. If I read what was in the media is correct and it is to be believed then Rob Hays remortgaged is home (Is this Correct). How many of us have done this for Stanley? He’s allowed himself to be a puppet and a dick, but that’s not a hanging offence.

I have looked to Mr Khan for leadership and he declined saying he was interested in helping the club financially and had no interest in a take over or management. Mr. O’Neil should resign and sell his holding in the club as soon as possible; everyone else should move on and get behind the team who at this moment are showing all of the direction we need to go.

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the reason Mr Khan does not wish to take oer is as he said himself, he does not feel competant to run a football club, which to me shows great credibility, pity those in control don't live by the same mantra.:rolleyes:

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the direction n what happens is a difficult one Doug to me, NO one is going to make any money running a football club, all i ask is whoever runs stanley is Transparent, Honest, n Competant.

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here here, tho i think we all agree EW, Don and RH DO NOT meet this criteria!

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as well as ML, the dynamic Commercial Dept........

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I've had to follow events from some distance (thanks to this web site) and the last few weeks have been like a soap opera, written by someone who likes to torture the audience before killing off the entire cast.
Those who rallied around the cause yesterday, in London and Accie, are heroes. Those who claim they 'own' the club but hid (or fled in the night to Chester) are beyond redemption.

Two issues now facing the heroes is

1. how to wrest control of the club from those who actually own it (and I still suspect the deadhand of the cardboard millionaire), and
2. how to get a Supporters' Trust up and running and legally constituted so it has a chance of taking over whilst there is still a league club to save.

The rules that have been dreamt up by the FA League and Govt mean that football business interests come before any other creditor, including Her Madge's Taxman, and it seems evident that any more money put directly into Stanley whilst the current lot control it is likely simply to prolong the agony. There is no guarantee it will go where it is needed.

How can those who want to save the club and bring it under the control of the real fans help best in the next week or so?

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Shame u didn't attend doug ilyas was asking after u lol

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Thats not what he said is it ? He said properties were being remortgaged, didn't actually say it was his own. Pretty sure somebody has said in the past few weeks that David O'Neill had various properties, including some used by the players.

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Yeah right Mel :rolleyes: He know's were to get me if he wanted a chat :). I wish I could have been there, I had planned to skip over after lunch if people where getting together, but I only have a 3 hour gap and an hour of that would be travelling.....

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I don't think that Rob Heys nor David O'Neill nor any of the other Directors have put any money into the SOS. If they had we would have been able to pay the taxman. SOS Fund = £116K, money from PFA = £100K, money from mortgaged property = £100K

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If staff were paid on the same basis on players it wouldn't be the most reliable source of income would it :rolleyes:

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Can I take it then Doug that you are actually defending a Management Team who, by defying all those principles by , and through which, any organisation or business achieves success, have led Accrington Stanley to the brink of ruin and destruction ?? .

Irrespective of the double-speak, prevarication and lying practised by the Co-Chairperson and CEO which well-informed contributors to our Forum are quite rightly laying at their respective doors, their incompetent ignoring of these Principles of Good Management cannot be overlooked or forgiven.

It seems logical then to conclude that if these two obviously unskilled and
ill-prepared individuals are allowed to continue practising their random Management fumblings on the future corporate life at the FES, then the downward spiral towards oblivion towards which they have already made a sizeable contribution, is the only option in view!.

They have FAILED MISERABLY in every respect, and any self-respecting Manager in their shoes would by now have acknowledged their own weaknesses and failings, fallen on their sword, and disappeared into that darkness which only a true 'Failure' can comprehend...OR been shown the door which opens into that world of 'those who are not up to it !!.'

My opinions do not emanate from a 'Hang 'en High' standpoint...for as Ilyas Khan rightly advised last night, to vilify those of an Obdurate Nature will only
make them dig their heels in defiance!...

My opinions are based on a logical assessment of many obvious Management and Operational weaknesses demonstrated by those directing events at Accrington Stanley over a protracted period of time, and to which I have made numerous allusions over and over again.

This weak, inefficient, ineffective, and dishonest Management Structure now existing at the FES is just NOT GOOD ENOUGH to guide our club towards any success, and should make way for one which will devote itself to the instillation of Positive, Effective and Honest Management and Business practice based upon Sound, and accepted Management Theory and Principles, and a desire to do WHAT IS RIGHT !

'ON STANLEY !!!...ON!!!...TO GREATER THINGS !!'

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Ever since our meeting with Ilyas Khan last night, and assessing the many utterings, predictions, prevarications, and ,as many have reported... LIES given and told to Fans, The Media, and probably to each other!!..One thing has becoming more and more clear in my mind and this is quite simply... Can I listen to, or read any Declarations or Statements made by David o'Neil and Rob Heys without disbelieving every word which they happen to be uttering at the time ??.

The answer is I am afraid an emphatic 'NO'...and thus I conclude that they have lost something that I see as being of paramount importance to my thinking in every facet of my life...and that is my Trust!.

This being the case, although I will continue to support John Coleman and our Great Team as well as I am able!... I will never support either one of these two 'Stanley-Slayers' again !.

Am I, in my dotage, being the over-sensitive Yonmon again ?.....
Is 'TRUST' just an old-fashioned notion for old men to pontificate upon?...
Or does it matter where Accrington Stanley are concerned...?

Some advice on my thoughts and feelings would be appreciated !!.

'ON STANLEY !!...YOU'RE SAFE !!'

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Yonmon, imho, all relationships are built on trust of some degree or another...............when that trust is lost or abused then it goes without saying that the relationship is doomed to failure.

Just my 2penneth worth!

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No; I am not defending anyone. One slight issue at the moment is that Mr. O’Neil owns the club and won’t go easy unless it’s worth his while as for the rest; they will have to be replaced by more capable individuals before they jump/pushed and the non persona Directors/Share Holders will have to be bought out by some degree…….

Mr. Khan asked that individuals aren’t targeted at this moment (that’s how I understand it) and I’m sure as a skilled person/man manager Mr. Khan won’t want anyone jumping ship until a capable team is identified/in situ and waiting to take control.

I do agree that people will have to fall on swords, but whom and when isn’t going to be that easy, every one of the board played a part, every departmental manager (if there is any) played a part you just can’t ask for there heads and not have anyone to replace them; there is no reason why some shouldn’t continue in some form or is that you just want to cap anyone who disagrees with the current trend?

I would like to see Mr. O’Neil resign and leave as soon as; I would like Rob Heys to explain his role and his expectation of accountancy for his actions that may have damaged the club or himself. I would like to hear both side of the story in respect of the two Directors who are alleged to have offended Mr. Khan and to what degree (be very carful how you respond to that) and to have the rest of the Board explain why they didn’t act in the best interest of the club if they believed that the Khan/ASSF was or wasn’t in the best interest of the club.

I think I want the same as you do; but I don’t want to hang them before all of the facts are out in the open.

The Fact Remains; Mr. O’Neil and others own the Club until they decide their next course of action we are stuck with them.

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"Trust" is a dirty word that comes only from a liar.

But "respect" is something to be earned

I have respect to Mr Khan

:rolleyes:

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Dito....

However; sometimes you have to walk over fields of **** to reach the fence.

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Legally Mr. O'Neill does not own one share in Accrington Stanley, EW still owns 51%

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I know exactly where you are coming from and although I want to agree with you,I can't help feeling that Rob Heyes is only the messenger .At the end of the day he is an employee and I assume ( maybe wrongly) that he is only delivering the messages that he has been told to deliver. As for D On , I really, really did give him the benefit of the doubt , I thought he had not been given the chances he needed. How gullible I was, I will trust that man no more, never. How he could look folk in the eyes and suggest the sleepless nights be left to him, well I hope he has lots of them . He needs to go NOW.

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and Ilyas has passed his shares over,hasn't he?

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if I was able to forget the lies that I have been fed for the last two months we could move on.

However, for the very simple act of going to London without the money I cannot forget, or forgive. Even the night before they went Rob failed to answer the phone to Ilyas. He shouldn't have even needed to answer the phone because he should have been ringing Ilyas.

There is however a very good point that somebody needs to be the continuity at the club. To lose one of two figureheads shouldn't be a problem, to lose them both could be.
O'Neil has to go, that is irrefutable, but there is an argument both ways over Rob.

The bigger question though is whether the general publi will ever regain any semblance of trust or faith in the club without the 'new brush sweeps clean' syndrome being played out. I dont think they will.

My vision of a football club is one that is the hub of its community, where all its constituents play a part in the well being of the club without necessarily having to be a supporter. With only the 1000 hardcore to prop us up we absolutely need that wider support network. Would a non-supportive local company be prepared to pay £1000 a match to sponsor it? no. We are in for some lean times anyway, but they will be a lot leaner if any of the current management are allowed to remain in place.

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Yonmon got to totally agree with you, but today I would have EXPECTED a statement from the board as to the true goings on yesterday (glad I did,nt hold my breath) in a way wiping the slate clean, but as usual even with the goings on of the last two evenings they decide to keep quiet.
I at this moment in time feel totally washed up with them, do they care about our football club? do they care about the LOYAL band of supporters ? quite simply IMHO not a dam jot.
It is time for the truth or ship out and let someone who is stanley though and through take the helm. It saddens me to think that if Ilyas and Peter had.nt stepped up to the plate yesterday ASFC would be no more after next Wednesday as there was no way the funds would have been in place then. Im sorry but I wouldnt trust this lot with me grannies pension.

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Yes Ilyas has confirmed he is no longer a shareholder at the club as shares had been passed onto the assf.

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Agreed macca.

I think the ONLY thing that alot of people would accept is that O Neill and RH go.

we need to sweep this away from our thought.

New Board, New regime, NEW STANLEY!

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Tis as I suspected, and therein lies the problem.

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Trust in my book is always earned, they sure aint earned it. simple as.

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Don go now. Rob is stanley in his heart, but would you go with your boss to the almost certain death of the club of your heart ?

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My thoughts exactly.Rob is an employee of the DONs. I wouldn't be in a hurry to hang him. I'm picking every statement and action he did publicly was to a 'script' prepared by MARCELLE and the DON.

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Not legally. The transfer has not been registered at Companies House yet so leaglly Ilyas still owns the shares.

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Just a reminder that inappropiate language, provocation & insults will not be tollerated at accyweb, please refer to forum rules or face post deletion, infractions & possible bans! I understand emotions are very high atm but its not an excuse. Any problems with posts please report them or pm me - thanks. Sensible discussion & debate are perfectly fine but should not resort to bad language nor personal insults, this also be a consideration for people whom are not on the forum, you can be unhappy with the running or management of the club but please think carefully about how you express that point, just a side note in fairness.

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I disagree

Rob Heys has lied to the fans.
Rob Heys has deceived the fans
Rob Heys has a track record if incompetence in his job.

Im sorry, but he is not chief exec material.

It doesn't matter how much you support or love a club, if your not up to the job and you have a poor track record you must stand down.
The role and responsibilities are beyond him.

Being a fan is not an excuse for inability.

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Couldent agree more!!!:mosher::mosher::mosher::mosher:

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Do you not think that poor performance sometimes comes down to poor leadership? With the right leadership and mentoring even the poorest of individuals can become key assets.

Lets not forget the mantra at Accrington Stanley has for so long been too beg, borrow or steal…many of these lads and lasses have put countless hours in for the club and us for very little pay, again, if Mr. Khan is going to bankroll the club for seasons to come then maybe you can afford people who know it all and perform on demand, until then we have to be sensible and accommodating because without many of these people and I include many supporters, we wouldn’t have a club.

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Doug mate "Wake Up n Smell The Coffee"

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Just like Eric Whalley still owns his shares.

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I have Cashy; I’m being realistic; Mr Khan and Mr. Marsden aren’t local and certainly won’t be bankrolling the club long term; Mr. Khan makes clear he doesn’t want to own/run the club, so who’s going to be doing it if you clear out the board.

Accrington Stanley as been virtually bankrupt throughout its history and the coming months won’t be any different, a supporters trust will take a couple of seasons to be effective, even then the “then owner” will have to agree to float/sell.

Mr Khan as done a wonderful deed for the club and the supporters but I doubt much will really change in the short term, I think the best we can hope for is Mr. O’Neil agrees to sell sooner rather than later.

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I don't wholly disagree Revived Red.......What I'm trying to get at is when these people have been chased from the crown who’s picking up the mantle?

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At this moment in time, i dont care if its a monk from outer mongolia, id rather have him run it, than those fools currently at the helm!


They have almost destroyed our club and should hang their heads in shame.

However we are THE CLUB WOULDENT DIE!!!

Hopefully change is in the air.

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not much of a hope mate alledgedly he don't fully own em, so if thats so,how can he sell.:confused:

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I'm puzzled why if EW has sold his shares to O'Neill, it still has not been registered with Companies House. If I've missed something please tell me, otherwise I'm in the belief that O'Neill is not and never has been the legal owner of the club.

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check out company house, they aint registered in O'Neils name, that aint speculation.;)

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I know......:)

When I get an up dated report I'll let you have a copy.

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This is the crux of the 'Rob Heys' issue (other than the lies that came out of his mouth) ... how can such a devout Stanley fan tell Ilyas Khan outside the court that no more money was owed and then walk into the courtroom knowing that the Club was almost certain to be wound out?

If there was ever a time to save the Club rather than his/O'Neill's own interests, it was in London yesterday morning.