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Good evening everyone - and a very special evening since its the first time in ages that i am able to enjoy two nights on the trot in Accy. Sheer bliss !
I have been following the comments about Rob, and feel compelled to make this statement. I know this will not be something many of you agree upon - and that is the great thing about open and transparent debate that we can disagree but maintain a courteous dignity and an open mind - but here goes. I have known Rob for many years. In fact I have known and worked with Rob in good times and in bad. It is my view that the worst that Rob can be accused of is being exceedingly naive, and commercially quite silly. I would also say that Rob is probably just as much a victim as the rest of us. Possibly more so than most. I would encourage and urge you all to please take into account the difficult circumstances he has to face. His statements have indeed at times been proven to be incorrect, but even when he has "lied" i believe he was simply working off information he was given. I would also say that it is my honest opinion that on Friday night, Rob believed that the club was going to make good on its obligations. Its not his fault that he was let down by people who did lie and who have actively misled us all. I would close by saying I happen to know (ie i have incontrovertible proof) that Rob has tried all he can to mortgage his house. He also contributed thousands to the HMRC payment - again in stark and amazing contrast to ALL OTHER DIRECTORS. I respectfully would ask you all to bear this in mind. Even if you believe that Rob is guilty of acts and statements that are horrible (I can think of at least two statements that were plainly stupid), I would ask that you think of his circumstances. He is often the last man standing, and the only person who actually gets on with the job. I guess this will open the floodgates, and i am prepared to hear awful things, but I for one do not want to see this personal animosity grow. He is a true fan, "stanley till i die" is branded on his heart. Like many of the rest of us. He is a brother who has erred. Lets forgive him, and lets look forward. good evening, Ilyas |
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One of the best posts in a long while!
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Wow ok amazed he had risked his own home for stanley. It makes me more angry at don and Ew imho allowing rob to risk a lot and no doubt doesn't have much plus a young family to consider grr sorry feel quite annoyed. Glad u have enjoyed time at home ilyas :)
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I personally think if we had a club where transparency was used, Rob would be a quality asset.
I feel under EW and the DON, Rob has had to go along with whatever they say, The fact that he has gone as far as he has to mortgage hes house when he has a young family to support, shows hes passion and hes commitment cannot be questioned IMHO! I hope he will still be at the club in the long term. If Rob didn't work for the club, He would be in the "Sophia Khan stand" every week with a Stanley scarf! FACT! |
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When I went to see Mr O'Neil and Rob a few weeks ago Rob said he was remortgaging his house to raise funds for the club and he said other Directors were going to put money in, at that point I asked Rob if he was now a Director and he replied no but he was still intending to remortgage his home.
I didn't feel it was right at the time to mention this as he asked me not to and this is one of the reasons I truly believed with people like him there the club would be saved. I think personally he has been very naive and should probably have resigned if he felt that the club was not being run properly however it must be an awful decision to make when you love the job you do and you have a young family to support as well. I'm sure there is a position for Rob at the club in some capacity whether it be CEO or otherwise. |
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Thankyou for the insight Ilyas. Only met Rob once or twice during Unibond/Conference days so obviously not able to judge his character for myself. Had suspected from radio interviews that maybe he was being used as a puppet.
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It is extremely disappointing, to say the least, the way some people are being treated!.......There is just no need for some of the things to have been said!.......a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing..:(
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Thank you Mr. Khan. I’m not sure I would want my friends (if I had any) to be that candid in their appraisal of me. However; I am both pleased and relieved at your post and I hope that this mans actions that have gone unpublished until today go some way to softening some hearts on this site towards this gentlemen.
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Here, Here, a True Gentleman that I am Proud to stand next to and call my Friend! |
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I was referring to Rob! |
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Whatever, someone has to keep doing the day-to-day stuff to keep the show on the road while the dust settles. Hanging the guy who is probably the only one who knows what is needed won't help. Blessed are the peacemakers .......:) |
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Well said, makes you look at it all in a different way and how much more wrong DON was makin him follow all his instructions and telling him what to say like a little puppet
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[B]that Rob has tried all he can to mortgage his house. He also contributed thousands to the HMRC payment -
how many people would risk their home for their place of work?how many would risk going back to the better half and saying sorry love we might lose the home oh and i ve no job now,he could of very well risked his family and still could if the club does not do as well money wise in the coming months/years again in stark and amazing contrast to ALL OTHER DIRECTORS.[/B]ASFC are not a rich club as well we know!this is not a time to single out directors for how much/little they gave many will not have £1000"s sat in the bank or the means to raise £1000"s,also remember along with fans many directors have given alot of time,day to day help and money over the years to ASFC Even if you believe that Rob is guilty of acts and statements that are horrible everyone makes mistakes,ok rob has messed up bigtime!but when you are told something enough times you do begin to believe it,especially when a offer is refused by a gentleman like Ilyas to rid of club of its debts,you would believe DON has the funds do it himself He is a true fan, "stanley till i die" is branded on his heart. i dont think anyone can say this untrue i also believe this is ture of most of the boardroom,note i said MOST a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing we really havent got a clue whats gone on and most likely wont have for along to come,the saying jury still out springs to mind untill we have all the full facts of the last 8weeks |
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I may be :o but I'm proud to be Stanley and proud to be able to look over both walls ;)......anyway, Kisser said I was a good looking bloke......:D:D N.B. Bookends.......:D:D:) |
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Arent we missing the point. He has failed as a chief exec for years. He has told lies, just before court he told Iylas we had no other debt. Fan or not, he has no future as a chief exec. Get rid/new start/more capable person required.
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im not the best in spelling so here we go . three things thats all im going to say. 1 lets just put all bend us . 2 turn in one gruop all fans and get bend jc and jb they are work very hard at keeping us in the league and cups . 3 if we can do that with no more crap going on we could make the play off s . pus its my brith day and we still have a club counld not live with no stanley up the reds
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I've read (on here and elsewhere) that Ilyas Khan was prepared to bail out the club with no preconditions. While that's very worthy and no doubt many supporters would be grateful, it strikes me as barking.
Unless Mr Khan takes a shareholding for his cash injection - which he could in time pass on to the nascent supporters trust - there would seem to be little point as the club will, most likely, slip into the same debt problems again within not too long a period. However, I don't think Mr Khan is barking, so no doubt there'll be discussions between Mr Khan and the current board as to what happens between now and next Wednesday. My only hope is that there are some more director resignations, Rob Heys is given a job he's possibly more suited to, and Mr Khan can assert some influence on deciding who will take the club forward. |
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Thouroughly nice bloke, but lacking ability, we need and deserve better in that role. Keep him at the club but make him someone's assistant, train him to become an asset.
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Totally agree with you Mr Khan.
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He is STILL in denial. Dany asks him in today's Observer if the club would have been wound up without Ilyas and Peter's intervention and he replies, for the public record, - "It's impossible to say"! Also some guff about the club having made a profit in the last quarter.
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My opinion - for what it is worth, RH I believe is a good chap, if there are wholesale changes at Stanley, it cannot be a good thing. Team, Coley & Co. Apart, review all staff/positions, but not just an enmass change. Let's give some/all people the chance to prove us wrong. :confused: :)
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I for one do not think any of us can question Rob Heys love and passion for the club,he is a fan first and foremost,and for this reason i think he should be given time to redeem himself,but i think he along with everyone else would agreed not as CE.
But what next? We as fans have our own opinions,and should do,how boring would it be if we all agreeded? As much as its the fans club it is a business. But are we fans business qualified to say who should be the next CE? Do we not now need someone who is not a fan,someone who will not allow their passion for club to cloud their business judgement? Someone who will make business like decisions for the good of the business,who will not be afraid to make ruthless business decisions,who will not be afraid to turn down ideas for the good of the business,who will take fully calculated business risks(there is risks in business big or small,it can not be avoided)who will work within the business buget,who will deliver bad news to fans but have full reasons for why they are taking such actions,you again can not avoid bad news in business. We as fans have thrown good money after bad,i dread to think of the times i ve delayed paying bills etc so i could make the next game,only last weekend we cancelled a week away to make the walk and game,we do not what a CE who will make decisions like this,oh sod it i wont pay that bill ill use the money for something else,not a way to run a successful business. Yes who ever takes on this role should listen to us fans but they should not do something just to please us,they should only do things for the good of the business,if a player has to be sold for the good of business so be it,no matter how much we wish to keep a player they are asset to business and should be viewed as such.They should be able to explain why spending is happening in this dept of business and not others,why cut backs are be made,why they may have reduce out goings,even if it means job loses.This may not sit very well with some fans but it is how the business world works,In comings high out goings low! I for one will want to able view the next CE profile in the business world before placing my faith in them,but faith we will have place in whoever takes on the CE post because like it or not they will be in charge of club and business. |
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You can recruit the best people in the world, unless they are allowed to do the job they are paid for then it's a waste of time.
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I'm well aware of Rob's commitment to the club and I take on-board everything that has been said. However, he is very much a part of the recent regimes that have done nothing to adhere themselves to the hearts of the fans or the town.
While it's highly commendable that he was prepared to re-mortgage his home, it does nothing to remove the fact that he was complicit in the lies and deception which riddle the club at this point in time. The defense of "he was only following orders" doesn't stand and sentiment should not cloud people's judgments. Far be it from me to call for someone to lose their job and their livelihood, but as long as the old regime remain in place, can anyone really see people trusting the club with investment ever again? |
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It strikes me that if Mr Heys were to make any public comments about the handling of the situation that were of a negative nature, this would probably not go down very well with those who pay his wages. In the role he is in he has to be tactful in what he says, otherwise there is the distinct possibility of losing his job.
We do not know what restrictions he has been given on what he is and is not allowed to say, nor how many of his comments are those he has been instructed to say. The first post in this thread makes great sense. |
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My other concern is that unless New Management skills are introduced at the earliest opportunity, then the downward spiral towards Corporate oblivion will persist !.... If RH , plus a skilled team of Strategist's can achieve a reversal of this, then nothing would please me more than to see this pleasant and amenable young man receiving the acclaim which will be his due!.....BUT ?????? |
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This may well be my last post.............
Your all dreaming….Accrington Stanley Football Club by rights should have been dead years ago, it’s been punching above its weight since its conception and the only reason it’s ever managed to survive is thought the effort and pockets of the people who have funded it too date…..this includes past and present owners, directors, shareholders and those walking through the gates on a Saturday and purchasing merchandise and those who have sponsored the club over the years. It was the loss of sponsorship that thrust us into this crisis; yes poor judgement and inaptitude played a major role in bring us to this point, but it’s the lack of funding that is the root cause. If you clear out the existing team you will have to find someone to replace them, someone who will be willing to tip in out of their own pockets (like Rob Hays who remortgaging his Home) like O’Neil who has put money and resources in; yes they are poor judges and their objectives where out of reach but they put time in for little, if any return. Replace them with what; ASSF/ST a bunch of ultra dedicated supporters without two stones to rub together, holding down day jobs, giving what time they can spare between family and Bed? It will never work……I have tremendous respect for those of you I know and for those I don’t who put in a lot of time to support Stanley beyond the call; but realistically, are you going to have the time needed over and above what you are doing now to run a Football Club, where are you going to get the money to pay for these Football/Business savvy replacements (who will want to go home at 5.30 and have two days off and a big salary to boot. Will Mr. Khan want to put his business objective on hold and rush to your aid every time you have a financial crisis…..because even he will have limits to be input? Like or not we are a poor run down east Lancashire town football club with no money and few real friends in the world of business, if we weren’t we wouldn’t be in this ****. Accrington Stanley was built on the backs of people who grafted and put their hands in their own pockets. Mr. O’Neil took a big chance and fell down, He Promised he would not let Accrington Stanley Fold. Well he nearly did and must recognise that time is running out and he should act with honour and find a buyer. The rest should get on with there jobs and carry on moving this club forward until such time as it can finance itself…….. In three years time the ASSF/ST can possibly take control and we can all play our part. Unless you want to put your money where your mouths are and remortgage your homes to buy the club. |
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Rob Heys might have been PREPARED to re-mortgage his home BUT DID HE ???
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Well said!.........I feel the same way!..I've seen too much, heard too much and know too much, but obviously not enough! Best Regards to all and here's hoping that "Peace" can be found quickly! Signing -off! Gary |
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for gods sake leave rob heys alone,he was only doing what he was told to do by the previous owner,who was apain in the arse to work for and who,s word was LAW,rob has been with asfc since the bad old days like going to horwich rmi, marine or even knowsley fc on a cold and wet wednesday night, yes he has made mistakes but it goes even further than that up to the very top of asfc,what about all these quotes from mr EW that the club is solvent and we owe nowt to the taxman, rob was employed on a need to know basis,and the former chairman is at fault for all this debt,fact the inland revenue bills were not paid when mr EW was in charge as the amount that asfc now owe to the IR now shows,Rob Heyes has done a hell of a lot for this club under a lot of pressure from the last owners to keep quiet,so give the lad abreak,would any of you lot have wanted the pressure and the job that he had,
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I broadly think along the same lines as Doug, though this won't be my last post and I hope the one above won't be his. I don't read that post as suggesting for a moment he will stop supporting Stanley, just that he is brassed off with trying to argue a moderate line in the face of all the (understandable) emotion that flies around this message board and getting howled down all the time.
Doug knows we need to work with reality - one reality, as I understand it, being that whoever (EW or DO'N) owns that 51% of the shares could call a shareholders' meeting tomorrow and carry a vote to shut down ASFC 1968 on the spot. Although we owed the taxman money in 1962, no external body wound us up then - it was the directors who chose to resign from the League. The current directors could do the same thing. In that event, even peace-loving me might be on the side of the lynch mob. But for now, we need to sort out a sensible way ahead and if to do so requires us to leave DO'N with some shred of self-respect and Rob with a job, so be it. Bye-bye karma. |
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Hold the queue if ew did that spiteful thing grr chester wouldn't be far enough away for him!
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Just one question. If Rob Heys has put thousands into HM Tax. how come they only paid off £96,000. Thats looking even worse for the S.O.S fund.
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Mel; you are absolutely right to carry on with the passion you feel. What I’m saying is we have to recognise that we may well be stuck with what we’ve got and will for those very reasons you have highlighted; work with them.
Jeff; Khan said he has. If he hasn’t yet done it I wouldn’t blaming. If I had put my home and my family’s life on the line to save Accrington Stanley only to be met by the negativity on here I’d say **** um and walk away…He hasn’t and that means something, it’s got to do. My understanding is that O’Neil as done the same. Dave: you know what you’re talking about, in two or three years time with proper financial support anything is possible, but in my opinion not at this time, and yes there will always be volunteers ( and I know what you allude too) my point is we would need volunteers with money in there pockets. Chimer’s point is a good one and one I have alluded to in the past, if they wanted to be nasty they could shut the doors this afternoon and be ******. But they won’t and I don’t think they ever will. The people in place now have and are putting money in other wise the lights wouldn’t come on and staff wouldn’t get paid. Very big mistakes have been made and there are no short quick fixes, we all know that yet some of us seem to be under the illusion that we can get shut of every one at the crown and live happily ever after on the back of Mr. Khan; actually his money. When I wrote to Mr. Khan to thank him for what he did on Friday I said that every eye of every supporter would be on him for Direction and Leadership, now I have no idea what his agenda is but I am grateful for what he’s done… he knows better than the rest of us that little can change at the crown without massive financial investment. The Board currently including Mr. O’Neil and Ms. Lazarus know the only way forward is to work with people like Mr. Khan and Mr. Marsden and the supporters of Accrington Stanley, while we are screaming for blood they aren’t going to be to receptive. They have made a massive balls up and they have to make it right. Healing begins with all of us working together to make sure they don’t do it again. |
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The board have got to go simple as that with exceptions maybe to MR T poss Rob in another role but Eric, Don & co must do the club one last favour & speak to all interested parties as to leave the club & let it be with people who can. Not many would work with them after this fiasco & would seriously harm the club further more than the tax issue imho.
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so now mr EW has jumped ship and gone to Chester City FC will he now relinquish all ties with asfc as chester city seem to be going down the pan as well,Mr EW was one of the most stubborn,ignorant,bullying and self righteous person i ever had the misfortune to work with,in every company he has owned his word was law,even in the clubhouse before and after the match the whalley factor was there,doors being slammed people being frozen out,you cant put all the blame on rob heyes who was at the end of the day just employed by Mr EW,possibly a yes man but then again when confronted with Mr EW who was,nt.As long as the past and current people are dipping their fingers into the coffers at asfc this club will continue to founder,My thanks go to jase and all the people behind the scenes who have worked their b**llocks of to raise funds for the club but at the end of the day they are all p**sing into the wind unless there is a substantial change of management at the highest level,so give Illyas Khan a chance,i have personally known him for over 25 years and at the end of the day we cant do any worse at the present time,
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Doug, much of what you have said is to the point, but there are always two side to every story.... I think it is time that you made your way to The Crown over the coming weeks and had a little chat with some of us.... :) :) :)
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I had Mr Khan's post in mind when reading the Accrington Observer today. Reading with a different perspective you get the feeling that in quotes such as "Mr Khan's presence certainly offered weight to our argument in the courtroom" (which as first made me red in the face), Rob is reluctantly speaking on behalf of the company and therefore his boss; a boss in 'damage limitation to image and power' mode. David needs Rob, Rob needs Accrington Stanley. I don't know whether Rob would make a good chief executive as he's never really had that role (it's always been the owner of the majority of shares making the decisions) but as was said a few weeks ago, we all know he'll be around for better or worse in years to come, busting a gut for the club.
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I'm saddened to see so many 'supporters' turning on Rob Heys at the time when he needs our friendship and understanding. Rob has recently made some significant errors of judgement, largely I believe due to a misplaced sense of loyalty to his employers. However, these failings pale into insignificance compared to the numerous positives which he has achieved for Accrington Stanley during the last decade. Some people believe that "it's not how you start, it's how you finish". Well, I'm not one of them. I believe that it's how you've lived for your friends, your family and your football club over these many years. On that basis alone Rob Heys deserves far more respect than he is being given by some of the ignorant loudmouths on this forum . . . most of whom have never, and will never, contribute even a fraction of what Robert Heys has contributed to Accrington Stanley. Criticise the Directors by all means. They're there to take the flak. But don't crucify Rob, a hard-working and decent man who must at this moment be bewildered by the bile, venom and sheer nastiness which is being directed at him. |
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If Rob Heys really is "a hard-working and decent man who must at this moment be bewildered by the bile, venom and sheer nastiness which is being directed at him", then he must be as deluded as the chairman (if that's what O' Neil actually is).
When you insist on lying day after day and even now persist with those same lies, I think anyone would accept that they were going to be severely criticised by those you have offended. This plea of 'Rob Heys is an innocent and didn't know what he was doing' is wearing very thin and is really annoying me!!! As I said earlier in the thread, I don't want to see anyone lose their livelihood, but at least be honest about what people have done; stand up and be accountable. Blindly defending these people because they're 'friends' or whatever, is tantamount to the same blurring of the truths that the fans have been victims of for far too long. We all know that total transparency is the only way forward at this point and that goes right down to the roots of the problems. To continue the gardening analogy, you don't get rid of weeds by pruning the tops... you have to kill the roots!! |
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Jack Barrett is a stalwart supporter and respected bridge builder and under appreciated bulwark of this club. His name should never have been brought into this. I’ll skip the bull and go to the point. I am very grateful to Mr. Khan and Mr. Marsden, we may well have lost the club but for them, However; combined they would have held around 22% of the club of which neither are a Director. Mr. O’Neil holds an alleged 51% with the rest of the Board making up the bulk of the holding. Net result: CONTROL. Scream, shout, threaten, protest, withhold your money, stay away, make all the allegations people can dream up; but unless the current ownership wills or allows it any ambition for change or a supporters trust is going no where without their say so. What I am trying to say is voice our opinion “loud and clear” and then accept the situation because I see little or no change at Accrington Stanley this or next season without us working with them. What I think Jack Barrett would agree with is that all this “From both sides” continues to undermine confidence of the people we need most. New Blood (supporters) and Inward Investment (sponsors). |
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Doug Percentages are a game, 51% of nothing=nothing
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What i find difficult to come to terms with, is those who "Defend,the Indefensible":confused:
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O neil on paper @ the companies house we still have to believe till otherwise that Eric has the shares albeit resigned as director! Dont sit on the fence will ya Doug.
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Robert Heys is part of the problem. OUT!
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I am still ENRAGED that Heys and Oneill went to court with no more than a plea. If it was left to those 2 we would not have a football club today.
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