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Bradshaw Boy 08-11-2009 13:07

Johnny Coleman - Football Genius
 
Clarke One Nil : Football writing through a hardened glare, opinion and discussion of the game from the perspective of an old school supporter

maccawozzagod 08-11-2009 13:15

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Coleman for Rangers job?

Willie Miller 08-11-2009 13:31

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http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._2466979_n.jpg

cashman 08-11-2009 13:48

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ta fer the link which proves this "Clarke" is a complete numpty! .. its took him 10 years to realise this.:D

MCR ADIM 02-12-2009 21:39

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Sky Sports | Football News | League 2 | Accrington Stanley | Coleman set for new deal

cashman 02-12-2009 21:55

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read it earlier MCR, fer my money it should be a longer deal offered.

shakermaker 02-12-2009 22:33

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Give 'em as long as they want. I still can't get my head around how they got the performances/results that they did amidst the darkest times in the post-'62 history of the club. And there is no sense whatsoever that the fight is over; optimism and ambition to 'push on' remain in abundance. Here types one who has been a foolish and fickle mong, uttering things like 'gone as far as they can'. Wiser ones knew that even though some performances at times were less than inspiring, John & Jimmy were doing a great job building an established Football League team. With the increase in quality of football and player we've seen in the past couple of seasons, we know that the skills are there to back up the ambition. Jobs for life.

Willie Miller 03-12-2009 00:05

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At least you admit it Andy.....loads of the "Coleman Out" brigade don't

nige b 03-12-2009 00:18

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willie
obviously living a distance away and not being up on the day to day gossip........is there really a Coley out mob still out there, surely this is the best side/squad that we have ever had and built on a shoestring...Coley and Jimmy should be given the freedom of the town and honoury degrees from Accy Uni (if it existed)

cashman 03-12-2009 01:17

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Originally Posted by nige b (Post 767023)
willie
obviously living a distance away and not being up on the day to day gossip........is there really a Coley out mob still out there, surely this is the best side/squad that we have ever had and built on a shoestring...Coley and Jimmy should be given the freedom of the town and honoury degrees from Accy Uni (if it existed)

if there still about nige, its under big rocks they are.:D

maccawozzagod 03-12-2009 10:12

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the management duo have their frailties (as do we all) but if any doubt lingered at the start of the season then the past two months should have dispelled it all.

Almost all other clubs fans dislike Coley for his outspoken views of the matches, but he is our Brian Clough. Make em both directors and hope that their uncanny ability to turn things around can rub off on the club as well as the team!

smudgie 03-12-2009 11:34

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Must admit, especially towards the end of last season with Robbie and Cav etc STILL floating about the pitch i wasnt there biggest fan.

But ill eat my words this season, we have been transformed :)

JEFF 03-12-2009 13:09

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Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 767126)
Must admit, especially towards the end of last season with Robbie and Cav etc STILL floating about the pitch i wasnt there biggest fan.

But ill eat my words this season, we have been transformed :)

The transformation is because we have finally got rid of the Unibonders - Cav, Rocky and Mully. They should have gone when we got into the Football League.

DAV007 03-12-2009 14:22

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Jeff

diagree mate.

Mullin was essential in keeping us up in our first year back in the league.
Cav, despite the gambling issues was always exciting going forward and held his own in the football league.

Age finally caught Mullin out (although he is still a great target man when teams are under pressure and need a release to hold the ball up) and injurys/circumstance caught up with Cavanagh.

smudgie 03-12-2009 14:51

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No question Mullers was a fantastic servant to the club, but i agree that age did finally catch up with him.

Symes looks a revalation op front now as we all know.

I was a big Cav fan but agreed he was way to injury prone, and thankfully we have Leeds, Kempson etc etc so we wont ever need to go back to that era

JEFF 03-12-2009 14:51

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Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 767154)
Jeff

diagree mate.

Mullin was essential in keeping us up in our first year back in the league.
Cav, despite the gambling issues was always exciting going forward and held his own in the football league.

Age finally caught Mullin out (although he is still a great target man when teams are under pressure and need a release to hold the ball up) and injurys/circumstance caught up with Cavanagh.

You haven't mentioned Rocky

smudgie 03-12-2009 14:53

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I think we ALL know Rocky was NEVER good enough for the Football League.

That was clear to me, and alot of other people for years.

VALAIRIAN 03-12-2009 17:21

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Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 767154)
Jeff

diagree mate.

Mullin was essential in keeping us up in our first year back in the league.
Cav, despite the gambling issues was always exciting going forward and held his own in the football league.

Age finally caught Mullin out (although he is still a great target man when teams are under pressure and need a release to hold the ball up) and injurys/circumstance caught up with Cavanagh.

Agree DAV007, Mullers appears to be doing a fine job where he is, most likely because he is doing what he is paid for and not doing other peoples jobs......

Agree also that Cav was not too far out of his depth, but he did not play enough games..

Talking of Conference side we still have Proccy and Leam.. Or are they also not good enough???

smudgie 03-12-2009 17:23

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as for Leam, i think hes good enough without a doubt, IF he plays, hes injury record has been shocking for the last 2 seasons.

Cant really see the club offering him a new deal to be honest.

Proccy doenst have bags of natural ability, but he does make up for it with his work effort!

MCR ADIM 03-12-2009 17:24

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and the mighty phil edwards.

VALAIRIAN 03-12-2009 17:30

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Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 767194)
and the mighty phil edwards.

How on earth I forgot that is beyond me :dork: :idunno: :dork: And of course Mr. Consistant, Mr. Reliable, Mr. Ever present, Mr. Penalty taker, Mr. Fake tan...... Phil Edwards :o :)

Cheers MCR

DAV007 03-12-2009 18:41

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Williams showed glimpses of ability in league 2, but if we are honest he was not upto football league standard.
A shame, and a shameful way he bowed out but the playing squad have improved as the management have learnt lessons from experience.
Im sure if Coley and Jimmy where to go back in time to our first season in the league, there would be less emphasis on loyalty and an investment in players with potential and/or football league experience.

AccyAggro 03-12-2009 18:42

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Leam richardson as said is good enough when fit, just dont happen often. Proccy aint the best natural player but effort and passion for the club is second to none and has come on a long way technically since the conference. Phil edwards doesnt need to show anybody he is good enough cause he has been all along and will be an effort i think to keep hold of him next summer...

cashman 03-12-2009 18:55

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its as simple as this to me, when a team comes up, from any division, the players that have got ya there, deserve a chance to make the higher grade, Always some will,some won't, those that don't should be cut loose,if ya wanna progress, sentiment fer those who got the club up can be a costly factor, it aint nice but its life.

Chimer 03-12-2009 21:35

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 767224)
its as simple as this to me, when a team comes up, from any division, the players that have got ya there, deserve a chance to make the higher grade, Always some will,some won't, those that don't should be cut loose,if ya wanna progress, sentiment fer those who got the club up can be a costly factor, it aint nice but its life.

As a (hockey) captain of mine once said in the team talk before a game in a promotion battle "C'mon boys, we owe it to the club to get promoted so we can attract some good players next season...." - he didn't actually say "... and you lot can go back to the seconds" but we all knew what he meant!

We lost, of course ... :D

cashman 03-12-2009 21:56

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Originally Posted by Chimer (Post 767271)
As a (hockey) captain of mine once said in the team talk before a game in a promotion battle "C'mon boys, we owe it to the club to get promoted so we can attract some good players next season...." - he didn't actually say "... and you lot can go back to the seconds" but we all knew what he meant!

We lost, of course ... :D

yeh ya would do, bit of a numpty i reckon yer captain.:D;)

VALAIRIAN 08-12-2009 20:53

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3 on the bounce, with a small, tired squad, he really is the "Football Genius" :worthy: :)

cashman 08-12-2009 21:33

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Originally Posted by VALAIRIAN (Post 768569)
3 on the bounce, with a small, tired squad, he really is the "Football Genius" :worthy: :)

Smallest Squad, but Biggest Hearts.:);)

carpon 08-12-2009 23:48

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These two guys continue to get the best out of probably the smallest squad in the Football League !! Coley's always said that he reckons there's another promotion waiting to happen !! Let's all hope tonight's result can help him achieve that feat ( with the extra money tonight's win raised) and we can get past the Gills and get another £60k and a proper draw in the fourth round!!!:D

Just to add my two penneth to the arguement about a couple of the players mentioned on this thread....:eek:

Williams...not bad at non-league level, but never really cut it once we stepped up to the league. As for his part in the betting scam, I'd be suprised if he gets another job in football as high as football league level.......it probably wouldn't be anything to do with the betting scam...quite simply that he was never good enough for League football.

Richardson...the lad has undoubted talent, however has been plagued by injuries. If we get a fully fit Richardson back playing at his best, then, like the old cliche, it'll be like having made a new signing again in some respects!!!:D

Paul Mullin...The accolades are many...the man whose goals fired Stanley to the League..."Mr. Consistency"...whatever else is said about his age / advancing years, the guy can still cut it at league two level..His goals for the Shrimps continue to prove that. I hope and pray that he and Mr. Craney don't rub salt in on Boxing Day. And I'd stand by what was already said on another thread, I hope Mullers gets a testiminial game. It would be nice to see Mullers in the Red Shirt we all loved him in one last time..:o

Cavanagh... Always liked his work ethic, always gave his all. The guy made a mistake, there are those that will say it's just the same betting £5 against your own team as it would be betting £1K. If he's fit when his ban expires then it'll be interesting to see if Coley & Bell give the lad another chance......My own opinion but I would.

LongLostSon 09-12-2009 02:38

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Was it Bill Shanlky that was famously credited with saying summat about football being more important than life or death ? Well, what I have always thought about our John'nJimmy is that you can easily imagine that they regard Stanley in the same vein.

Wynonie Harris 09-12-2009 07:29

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"His irrepressible positivity has driven Accrington forward. They are the only team in the country to have improved their previous League position for the past 10 years straight."

- FourFourTwo talking about Coley, January 2010.

SamF 09-12-2009 11:01

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 768640)
"His irrepressible positivity has driven Accrington forward. They are the only team in the country to have improved their previous League position for the past 10 years straight."

- FourFourTwo talking about Coley, January 2010.

You a psychic or something ? :p

Wynonie Harris 09-12-2009 12:23

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Originally Posted by SamF (Post 768679)
You a psychic or something ? :p

Stanley 1, Gills 0, you heard it first here. ;)

ukcowboy 09-12-2009 14:42

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 768697)
Stanley 1, Gills 0, you heard it first here. ;)


Your first post match pint is on Me if you're right Wyn!!.....................And I dont doubt you are!!:)

Wynonie Harris 09-12-2009 14:44

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Originally Posted by ukcowboy (Post 768713)
Your first post match pint is on Me if you're right Wyn!!.....................And I dont doubt you are!!:)

Cheers, mate! :)

Bradshaw Boy 10-12-2009 08:25

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Interview on PFA website:

Every week’s a battle royal for John Coleman and Accrington Stanley | Give Me Football

MikeA 11-12-2009 18:08

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More; this time from Johnstone's Paints:
No straight jacket required for Coleman | Johnstone's Paint Trophy


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