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I definately agree with you revived red.
Esp on the share issue.
Mlissing off your list (but mentioned elsewhere in the forum) is organising the club shop better.

PS Sorry about grammer and spelling but it's only a forum :o

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errm :confused:

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one of the biggest areas of concern to me is the Sports bar.

With nobody 'officially' running it, the place has gone really downhill. Matchday revenue is pressurised enough as it is without losing hundreds of pounds (thousands?) extra because the place is substandard. Somebody really needs to get their head around this place because it should be a goldmine

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I also agree, RR, but to achieve the first and most important of your aims requires an end to the influence of the cardboard millionaire who, according to the Evening Telegraph, remains the majority shareholder.
Q&A: The state of play at Accrington Stanley (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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Doh !!! Sorry, reading and posting via my mobile

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Spot on RR, plus Macca has valid point about bar....:)

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By law there has to be a named person with a personal licence,premisis licence and entertainment licence(different licences for different types of entertainment)

During all bar opening times a personal licence holder has to be present this can be a staff member who has a personal licence or the licencee(you have to have a personal licence to become a licencee)

The licencee is responsible for the over all running of the bar health and hygiene,health and safety and public liability

Does anyone know who the named licencee is?

And does any of the other bar staff members hold a personal licence?

It is normal for at least one member of staff to hold a personal licence

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The licensee should have their name over the door should they not if that's the case?

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was too slow to edit

A easy way to see overall cashflow over the bar is to install a more up to date till system ie no amounts entered just a pad with named drinks and food items,no under/over charging,it also gives a clear account of stock needing to be ordered,shows which drinks are selling the most etc.....each member of staff has a personal till number they enter before using the till

I notcied another accyweb member saying about the beer abit off could this be down to the pipe cleaning not be carried out to health and hygiene standards?A cleaning record should be kept,does the bar have one?

I could go on about the running and up keep of a bar but the list does go on and on,the easy bit is standing behind the bar and smiling:)

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it may be that the sports bar is classed as a private club,like a working mens club but if that is the case there would be

a committee,with chairperson,vice chair etc.....
members list,with a membership fee payable yearly,members may take guests but they have to sign in

there are may other laws for private clubs but as far as i am aware licenced premisis laws apply weather its a puplic/private bar/pub/club

I have only had dealings with public bars/clubs but you have me wondering now :)

can anyone confirm if it classed as a private club before i go looking at the laws

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Good post RR:)

Foresight, Planning & Action should be the watch words:cool:

Tick them three and you won't go far wrong

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i'm not interested in laws surrounding the bar as they will be current and adhered to, I just think that someone on hand specifically for the bar for 40 hours a week would ensure it is clean and tidy, maintained adequately, pumps clean and tasty and above all promoted around town. None of this is currently done to anything above bare minimum. and it shows.

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Could even branch out into making food during the week and calling it "Pitch Side":D

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Hardly - I don't think there is a kitchen!

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Thank goodness Iylas and Peter are involved in the club.

Could you see any of these situations being dealt before next year if the yes man and the plastic millionaire where left in sole charge. worrying.

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There must be a named person specifically for the bar even if its only on the paper work needed to run a bar

but its easy to see it is very poorly run

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a lot of very constructive ideas here. Your posts DO get read, and will be taken up. You will be pleased to hear that David, Rob and Peter have already got a short and medium term action plan in hand. Please be a little patient - but not too much. We need your prompting and your comments to keep us all grounded and focused.

I am thinking of asking someone at the club (rob ?) to help me organise an evening to try and chat through some of the points raised above. that will help us to prioritise.

Ilyas

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I nearly bit on that one, but thought I would keep it to myself for the time being.

Still watching and trying not to come out with any negative vibes.

:dummy2:

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A easy way to see overall cashflow over the bar is to install a more up to date till system ie no amounts entered just a pad with named drinks and food items,no under/over charging,it also gives a clear account of stock needing to be ordered,shows which drinks are selling the most etc.....each member of staff has a personal till number they enter before using the till


was being nosey and having a read - can i just point out that (despite probably needing a new one) the clubroom already has an itemised till where each person has their own number to enter before using it. just thought id mention it :)

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i have run a pub and other business combined and it does not take much to keep a good bar if you have the proceedures in place to do so you need someone who has the sense to run a clean well stckoed bar full of product that is popular tothe public and also knows about cellar services ie cleaning lines etc keeping a good pint will encourage people to dink in the bar before during and after games i have been reading this thread with interest i have a personal licence and at the moment dont use my skills in this trade but have successfully run a local pub for local people with good food and great beers served in a clean and tidy pub although the sports bar is maybe not up to date it costs nothing to get it clean and tidy with good bar stock. you need a stck taker to visit monthly to do the stock for the bar and he will give a fully detailed report as to the bars profitability and he will price all the product to the profit you need to make over the bar to cover costs and make a profit. negotiations with brewerys and getting best prices for the club need to be done also . to be honest it needs someone to do the job properly and make the sportsbar a place to come. if the club need advise or help where this is concerned i would gladley offer my services to make things better in the sports bar its all about standards and if stanley want to progress those standards need to improve in all aspects of the club

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that may be the case but i have seen myself a drink be ordered then told oh give us a couple of quid that be about right!

That is the reason why it needs a overhaul in areas of the clubhouse

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cellar service know how is covered by BIIC as is all skills needed to run a bar

a stock taker is only used by a brewery tied pub,as far as i am aware the clubhouse is a freehouse,ie not tied to a brewery,its not rocket science to do a stock take anyhow

it does need someone with the right skills and training to run the bar

but i beileve the clubhouse has much more use than just a drinking place on matchdays,how about day time use,ie mum and toddler groups,fittness groups etc.....,although the bar may be not used a hire fee is still money in the clubs pocket

as for food the club needs a kitchen 1st

as for offering help it has be done before but hopefully the new era at the club will take up the offers now......................ill wait and see if im ever told im needed after my offers

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your missing the point an independant stock taker can do a full report for the club on sales and stock movement it identifies theft and up and down stock as well as good selling items also pricing structure you dont need to be tied for this or a managed house you can have one independant of any brewery it doesnt cost alot and he gives you a full report as to the viability of the bar dont be so blinkered as its only for brewerys i have no ties to stock takers its only i have used one and theinformation he gave me (not the brewery) was invaluable to making sure my pub was profitable.

on the other side there are people who can do and those who say they can do and its the first type that the club need to move forward

if the club need any impartial advise and assistance to get the bar on its feet and earning money then i will gladley help in this its not rocket science it just needs someone with the experience and dedication to do that job and not as it seems at the club have every one chipping in with their 6 penneth

any way my offer is there if Mr Khan wants it i would support him he seems proffessional and wants the club to progress in a professional manner. it doesnt cost alot to do it right but no matter how many BII certificates you have if you dont do it right they mean nothing to get your personnal licence you need to demonstrate your a fit and proper person these days and thats what the club should surround themselves with

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I thought it was the premises that was licensed nowadays and that the name of a responsible person had to be displayed on the premises.

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you need both licences, A premises licence which is held by the bar and the other is someone with a personnal licence to run the bar and who will give the authority for people to serve behind the bar etc however the personnal licence holder doesnt have to be there all the time however should be there most of the time if that makes sense there should be the licenses up where the public can see them it is law and it should nema who has the personnal lice for the bar there should also be a list of all those given persmission to sell alchohol behind the bar also

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you are right in that BIIC dont mean you can run a bar but it gives you alot know how etc.....but they do need someone who can do and not just wave bits of paper about

As for stock taker when i was in a manager postion,in a few pubs/clubs i over saw all stock takes and gather the information,i have only ever heard of a stock taker when i ve worked in tied pubs,but i can see they could be used by freehouses

i know you do not need BIIC to get a personal licence you have a day course at local college then apply if you appear to a fit and proper person with good CBC,although you can have offences on record and still hold a PL

i have worked/managed in bars/clubs in blackpool for a number of yrs and also smaller town/country pubs over the past few yrs and tbh i would be happy to help but it seems that offers of help are falling on deaf ears

we will just have tov wait and see what happens next

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have either of you put your offers to the club recently?

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I sent a email but had no reply as yet

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Originally Posted by katei77 (Post 764569) that may be the case but i have seen myself a drink be ordered then told oh give us a couple of quid that be about right!

im assuming that that was during a match and shows a problem with the staff working at that time. if you went to a function im pretty sure it would be alarmingly different. anyway - i was just stating fact about the till