Do We Want The Coppice End?
 

According to the LET article below, the ground improvements are taking place next summer, including a roof over the Coppice End.

Future looking brighter for a united Accrington Stanley (From Lancashire Telegraph)

With this in mind, should we be looking to move there? I love the Clayton End, but for me anyway, it's just not been the same since the seats were installed. I'd much rather be on a full standing terrace, even if it means moving to the other end of the ground. What does anyone else think?

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with a roof on coppice end i reckon much preferable to what clayton end as become wi seating.:)

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Yes!

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A full Terrace is always a winner over any seating !

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If I was an Accy fan Id definately rather be in a standing terrace with a roof. The atmosphere will be alot better. I went in the Clayton end a couple of times this season and credit to your ultras they really give it some but having seats does seem to stop the ones at the front singing.

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Yes I would change ends if it had a roof on. I will miss the,YOUR GETTING WET AND WERE NOT. The Sun comes from the side over main stand ,so that would not be a problem. It would add to the atmosphere,and enhance the look of the ground,so bring it on.

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have both!! stick away fans in the cow shed..

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Would defo want The Coppice End as ours, but spoke to TheDON about this the other week and there was an issue with seating :eek: Any new development, must have seats! TheDON was arguing that it is not a new development, just an overhaul!!! :) Had a quick look through the atricle posted by WH, cannot see any talk of seats :) The beauty of putting the away fans in the Clayton End, is that they can sit or stand, all in the same area - no issues all round.

Coppice End Standing for me please :wave8: :wave8:

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i would go in now with no roof on .... any stand to see the reds win lose or draw for me

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yep - go in there now - roof or no roof

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Just make sure roof is deep enough to provide cover, as most driving rain comes from south west, and is designed to amplify sound.

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What about those of us who CANT stand and have a Season Ticket for the seats in the Clayton End..................do we get a say as well?..............

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Ain't going to happen 'til the end of the season, Pete, so won't affect your season ticket. Would've thought your leg would've mended by then? However, you've raised a good point. Perhaps they could have a small disabled section at the bottom?

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any development that is subject to funding will only be granted if seats are installed. That is my understanding and it has been corroborated by numerous folk.

I would have liked the ACCRINGTON end to be the Accrington End once again but under those circumstances NOT ON YOUR NELLY.

The understanding I have is that the hierarchy want to put us back into that end and it will be all singing all dancing with cafe and bar facilities etc etc. BUT, how many of the Clayton Enders choose to stand even though seats are available? 90% is how many. An all seater Accrington End with Accrington fans in will mean that, as far as home fans are concerned, WILL BE ALL SEATER!

I am certainly not against the development, just the idea that Accrington fans may have to go in there. NO THANKS

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I thought the seats in the Clayton end were the same price as for standing? I sometimes change at half time and sit for the second half,nobody has asked to see my season ticket once in the ground!

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Il go anywhere, as long as we are all together singing loud and proud!!!

Stanley Ultras Having A Party

Bring Your Vodka, Beer, Cider, Sambuca, Gin, Vodka, Wisky and Whatever you want to bring and BACARDI!!!

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Didn't realise that, Macca. If this is the case, then sod it, rather stay on our little strip of terracing.

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if its gonna be all seating sod that.:eek:

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Just had another thought...if they make the Coppice End all-seated, does that mean they'll be able to remove the cursed seats from the Clayton End...or has the structure of the lower terracing been altered so much that this would be impossible?

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Just out of curiosity, what is the fascination with standing as opposed to sitting?

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My under standing of the redevelopment of the ground is a brand new all seated whinney hill stand a new police and Safety control room for Mick Schultz and polices.and a new roof for the coppice end which would remain all standing.with a new set of changing rooms and new tunnel were the old toilet block is at the moment with new offices and club shop at the back of the coppice stand.as the control room has to be near the away fans!the coppices terracing would remain for away fans with a section of seats for away fans in the whinney hill stand. any way thats my understanding.. may be there could be a 50/50 half home half away on the coppices just athought.

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Atmosphere.

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much better atmosphere as Mick Griff says, plus ya can't pish down the back of anyones legs sat down.:D most all seater grounds have become morgues.

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Michigan Red, when you eventually make it over, just come and stand on the Clayton End with us lot (if we're still there) and you'll see what the fascination is. It's the craic, mate, it's the craic. ;)

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As stated earlier all Football Trust money given for redevelopment of grounds/new stadiums must be all seated. This is why teams such as Shrewsbury & Bournemouth have sparkly new stadiums which are all seated at League Two level and Teams like Burton/Chester and soon to be Morecambe built new stadiums with terracing from the sale of the old grounds.

I think the authoritys are still worried re 1989. Which we all know was not the fault of terracing, though since the Taylor Report in 1990 there has been massive redevelopment across the countrys football grounds which really needed it, gone are big grass banks with barbed wire fencing around them to be replaced with nice shiny steel and glass excutive lounges and so on. But also gone are the traditions of the game. Its understandable clubs wanting to 'exploit' there fans with having more facilities at the ground and bring in more revenue. Grounds that were once open on saturday & wednesday nights are now open 7 days a week for functions and community use, the new stand at Deepdale even has a Health Centre in it for the local area. Sadly with the prices charged now at most grounds people want value for there money, they don't want to stand on wooden sleepers and cinders behind a supporting pillar, they want to sit and clap and eat there £4 hot dog or stand on the concourse watching the game on the Tv (never understood that??) because they've never experienced it and at this rate they never will.

Personally I think the Clayton End is less safe now than last season. The fans can't move around as freely as last season and if your like me and your vertically challenged unless you get to the barrier before kick off then you can't see very well.

So stick a roof on the Coppice and be done with it!! :dummy:

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gaz i will bring a boxs or two so you can stand on them .on monday pal

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It's a deal, WH. I'm looking forward to it.

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ye will have the pleasure of me also if ya stand wi that reprabate.:D;)

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Look forward to it, MR, but you have to go for the full Stanley experience including pre-match drinks in the Oak Lea, accompanied by Cashy's and Yonmon's non-PC jokes. You might never want to go back! :D

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To Michigan he means mate.:D

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Yep, that's what I meant. Stanley is definitely habit-forming...for some, anyway! ;)

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It doesnt matter if its a seated stand. If stanleys own stewards are daft enough to throw out fans for standing up, it will result in a very quiet ground and lower attendances
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This post unfortunately shows your lack of knowledge of the Ground Safety Regulations which ALL clubs with a Ground Safety Certificate MUST comply with, and are regularly inspected to ensure these regs are complied with.

YOU CANNOT STAND FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME IN SEATED AREAS. You know that as you will have read the Ground Regs prior to entering the ground, and the Safety Staff (stewards and management) are duty bound to enforce the regs, as there are penalties for failing to do so. So sorry the stewards aren't being "daft" they are just doing a necessary job. No stewards, no game!!!

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Most clubs turn a blind eye. Everton never make the away fans sit down, neither do chelsea. No one really cares, if head stewards apply common sense there are no issues. I will never go back to the new meadow after their pathetic stewards made 15 fans sit down at the back of a 2,000 seater stand. Pathetic.
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He's right in one way, though. One of the great attractions of going up the Stanley is that it's proper, old-fashioned football where you can STAND on the terraces. This is exactly what will attract many of those fans of other clubs who we are hoping will adopt us as their second club.

I would, therefore, strongly urge those in charge to concentrate their minds on discovering ways to preserve and indeed expand the standing terrace available for home fans. If they don't, in my opinion, it will be reflected in the attendances.

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Obviously increased attendances will give the club a chance to maintain it's league status. Does it not also increase the chances of being more succesful of going up the league ? If you get to Championship ( is anybody really hoping the club never get that far ? ) then all seater is a requirement within 3 years. Having said that maybe the Crown Ground wouldn't be the right stadium to host that level of football if the capacity can't be increased.

All seater stadiums are crap, but at the end of the day it's still your team out on the pitch :)

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Yep, you're right, Dave, but I reckon we should cross the bridge when we come to it. I can't even begin to imagine Accrington Stanley in the championship at the moment (although ten years ago, I was saying the same about us in the FL!).

If we do have to have an all-seater stadium, it's my understanding that there's some leeway towards the stewards turning a blind eye to standing fans. My son-in-law, who's a Hull season ticket holder tells me that they stand all the way through the match and the stewards don't hassle them.

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At the Turf the away fans generally get to stand while the home fans are subject to thuggery tactics from the stewards ( which I might add have got worse since they were outsourced a few years ago) :rolleyes: I've even had to report one myself a couple of years who threatened to have me thrown out if I kept standing. He really didn't get the point he was standing in front of me and blocking my view, he just wanted to try and find somebody he could use his authority on.:mad:. He was banned from working at the ground after I reported him :D

As DAV007 said earlier there are certain grounds which turn a blind eye, take a look at the Kop next time you watch a Liverpool game. However as Mr T also says the club have to 'officially' toe the line.

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Clubs that "turn a blind eye" to persistant standing in seated areas are risking their Ground Safety Certificate having even more conditions enforced on it.

The issuers of the Certificate are the FLA (Football Licensing Authority) in conjuction with the County Council. Lancashire have a reputation for being "hard line", Merseyside is known to be "softer".

Obvoiusly Burnley and Accy have the same FLA Inspector and County Council. Blackburn have a different Council as they have "withdrawn" from Lancashire!!

This debate could go on forever with everybody having a different view point. At the end of the day however the authorities and their inspectors have the final say, which is then passed down to the Club's Safety Staff.

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This started out as do we want to The Coppice End as our own? The answer to that would be dependant - in most cases - on if we could have it, as it is now, an all standing terrace! Do we have an answer to that yet Mr. T?? :)

Even your best guess will do, if you do not have an absolute - even then we will blame you if you are wrong :rolleyes: :)

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I'm not 100% sure, so here is MY best guess!!

Any new ground development that is to qualify for a 40% Football Foundation Funding grant, will only qualify with all seated areas. Also the safety people currently like the access/exit strategy for away supporters at Accy, with the main entry for visitors off Livinsgtone Rd ( ie good separation and the ability to hold visitors in the current away end.) If we change the dynamics of the ground areas, this also would need to be reviewed.

From what I understand our main source of funding is from LEGI (Local Enerprise Goverment I??) Down the same rules apply?? Sorry no idea.
I also guess if you pay for it yourself, as long as you meet the necessary safety standards you can do what you want!!

I see it's a Lottery Rollover tonight, here's hoping!!!:)

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Thanks for that Mr. T :)

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So, if the Coppice End is going to be developed as an all-seater away area, is it possible for the Clayton End to be restored to an all-standing home end?

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OK, I would like to chuck in my two'penneth to this debate. If the coppice end is to be all seated, where would the extra space be found to increase the capacity to above 5,000, as I believe that the seating in the away end would seriously decrease the capacity of the ground. If the Coppice end is to be all standing and the Clayton end is to be the new 'away' end, then all I can say is, it has the better burger van(s) (personal interest) and service with a smile. As for access for away supporters, surely the steps at the side of the Crown pub would allow access and possibly away coaches pulling up and allowing supporters off before parking up. Disabled away supporters coaches could use the parking area at the rear of the Clayton end with access from either side available and seating for those that want it, standing for those that don't. The only slight problem would be segregation of the cow shed, unless away fans would still be allowed up to the half way in the cow shed.

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That is a good point that I had missed WH :) It would incur costs, I suppose, but it is another alternative. :)

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Unless imposed by funding rules, I would like to think that the club would let fans have the decision re seating or not. That apart, I seem to recall reading/hearing comment somewhere that psychologically players prefer both ends to be home ends. If it is practical to house away fans on the Whinney Hill side, I wonder if our players have an opinion on the 'ends' ?

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Depends on how many can go in the Cow Shed.. Thinking of Bury,Bradford and the like??? :) :)

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Great idea Wyn, I would have loved to have been in The Coppice End yesterday to "clap off" those wonderful match officials we had:tongueout

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Yes, you did seem quite anxious to have a full and frank discussion with them! ;)