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worst news possible?

although it is old news that Whalley has left Chester, and although its old 'conspiracy' news that he could walk straight back into a debt (ish) free club, let's all hope that this is just lazy journalism and that there is no basis in the suggestions from the Chester end.

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Yes...worst news possible....IF true. :mad:

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i would rather have "AIDS":mad:

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He's never left, has he? If this potential saga was to play out, then it would fulfill the suspicions of many, many people.

Personally I'd find it hard to continue supporting the club in its present guise, if this was to happen.

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I was thinking along the same lines.:(

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He is only a shareholder, not a director, so can he just walk back in???? Not too sure really??? :confused:

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No doubt all will be revealed at that pending shareholders meeting,unless I missed it while I was away for 3 weeks over Christmas.But I did notify the club of a change of my address,so presumably I would have had some correspondonce!!!!!!!!!

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I am going up to the club later today, I shall ask them about a shareholders meeting


loweiy

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I'm not worried, this simply would not be allowed to happen - not by the current board and certainly not by the fans.

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may be benificial if ya asked em about clarifying that report in the LET loweiy, its a very devisive piece of journalism. IMHO.;)

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I suppose that all depends on how many shares he has.
More than 50% and I would expect he can't legally be stopped from taking control of the club.

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If the club have the slightest sense of public relations, they need to jump on this rumour and quash it very, very quickly indeed.

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It's worse than the worst news possible. :eek:
If Whalley walks back in he will be passing a few going in the other direction. Can only hope it's Chris Flannelagain desperately trying to up his profile with his boss before he has his annual review.

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'ow do, Mr T. Can you shed any light on this?

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And I thought we were having a bad news day down the road :rolleyes:

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Between both bits of news, there will be more raised eyebrows than a Roger Moore Convention:eek:

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Remember this quote form the Chester Chronic?

“I think they’ve got absolutely brilliant facilities for a club of Chester’s size and that is one advantage they have over someone like Accrington, who have certainly got the worst facilities in the league and the lowest gates."

You don't have to be a psychologist to note that whoever said this referred to of Accrington (Stanley) not as a club but as a person, a "someone".
If the LET is to be believed ( I know, I know ) perhaps whoever was quoted above now regards Stanley and himself are one and the same person.
On an unrelated subject, it's been suggested that a person needs to exhibit five or more of the following to be suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder:
1. An exaggerated sense of self-importance
2. Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power,
3. Believes he is "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people
4. Requires excessive admiration
5. Has a sense of entitlement
6. Selfishly takes advantage of others to achieve his own ends
7. Lacks empathy
8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him
9. Shows arrogant, haughty, patronizing, or contemptuous behaviors or attitudes

Can someone have some matches handy just in case this is indeed the second coming of the Cardboard Messiah.

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Good afternoon everyone. And a very very happy new year to you all.

I have received a few emails privately and therefore, as usual, when the volume of enquiry is this heavy, and the subject is so open, I decided to come onto the forum and allow the largest audience of interested people to get a chance to see my view, and also to ask any other questions they might have.

firstly, on the article itself. I do sometimes wonder what journalists and newspapers think when they craft their sentences. Flanagan has, in the past, been both accurate and relevant. On top of that he has written well. There are a couple of occasions however when he destorys all his good work, and when he has put his name to something that is to the detriment of both his employer and himself. This latest article about whalley is another of those occassions. The article is badly written, open to interpretation, without attribution, and could add fuel to the long standing view that the LET is more interested in controversy than news. I was called by Flanagan last night, and (as always) i entertained the call and explained that I had not heard about the rumour from Chester. I do not know why he and his editors thought they had a story, but we can now expect this thread to continue.

As far as the question of Whalley and his "return" is concerned, I will let you all know whether and when anything happens at the club to suggest this might be true. As you are aware, as non exec chairman, I am not involved in the day to day running of the club, and over the christmas period, with all the games being cancelled, I have not been able to attend the meetings with Rob Heys and Dave ONeil that would have normally constituted the debrief. I am looking forward to a meeting this weekend, and nothing has occured to suggest that my counterparts at that meeting will be anyone other than David and Rob and Peter Marsden. I cannot be more categoric than that, and i hope that my words are not ambiuous. If you feel that you need further clarity or if you misunderstand or dont quite know what i mean by what i have said, then by all means ask again.

Finally, on the shares. The equity has been for some time and will continue to be for some time to come, almost irrelevant in terms of control. Our club has large costs and requires massive further investment, and unless and until an equity shareholder has the wherewithal and committment to stump up that cash, he or she has no practical say. This is as true of stanley as any other club. If Whalley were to come back at any time in any position of authority - and lets just assume for a second that is possible, then I cannot honestly see how I would still be involved. It simply cannot happen. Indeed, as I have been at the club and more involved over a period of time from the Salisbury game, I have become more aware and educated about the consequences of Whalley's period of ownership, the most significant of which was hundreds and hundreds of thousands of pounds of debt that were effectively concealed until he walked away.

this much is factually clear and accurate, and known to people on this bulletin board as well as more widely. I cant add to those facts, but I would say that in my view, the set up that was agreed at the salisbury game, where David and Rob take care of the club, and I financed the shortfall as well as some further expenditure, has gone reasonably well. I have stood by my comiitment and fully expect to have to fund various shortfalls going forward in the near term. On top of that, I have committed to put more money into the club on a serious basis once I am satisfied that all the relevant facts are audited and documented. I think this will take a while, probably till the end of the season. The real time for reflection and decision on larger capital would, therefore,in my view, have always taken place over summer. By then, with the season under our belt, and the playing squad having really given it their best, we could look at things such as the ground, the pitch, the faciities and also the broader squad with a view to taking the bite sized steps that would prudent and necessary to help our beloved club remain solvent and healthy.

In closing for now I would also like to say how much I have appreciated and enjoyed being involved stanley, and how gratified I am (as are all of you) at the "winning" formula that seems to be emerging. I dont have the words to adequately reflect my admiration of Coley, Bell and Proccy and the rest of the guys. I hope that my continued presence in the clayton end at home games will go some way to demonstrating that what we have in place is for the good of the club, the town and the fans.

Accy Stanley are a community club in all respects. The club belongs to the people of the town, not to any one individual or company. My philosophy remains unchanged.

I hope this might help, but if you have other questions, please address them on this bulletin board.

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thanks for that clear and concise explanation Ilyas

Top Man :)

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I would like to add "Wasn't Barnet ace Mr Khan!!!!"

On Stanley On, with Illyas we trust

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I went up to the ground today and had a chat with Lewis Carroll about the shop etc I must say again that Lew is a top chap with bags of sales experience and I hope we can all help him as he turns the shop around. He has already improved the point of sale systems and he is working on all the back room software to speed up and keep tabs on all purchasing. I know it’s not too sexy to talk about systems and software but these improvements will prove to be the backbone of what I am know sure will be a top rate store and internet shopping experience for fans.
As a word of caution this will all take time and the club could do with as much extra cash as possible with all the games that have been called off revenue is sure to be down on budgeted amounts.
If you have any ideas to help Lew he would love to speak to you over a brew in the club shop. It is easy to post on here but face to face is always better.
Rob Heys has stated that Eric is not coming back and that they hope to arrange a date for a shareholders meeting very soon. (They would like to be in a position to announce a date next week.)
The last thing is the snow, the club need as many people as possible to help from Thursday onwards. The pitch is not frozen under the snow as the white stuff has acted like a blanket, but there is a tremendous amount of snow to shift and all help will be gratefully accepted.

Phew..my longest post since the days of S.O.S..................

Stephen

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I started reading this post with some trepidation, yet now, I feel a whole lot better. In some respects, I think that the debt that has been cleared by Ilyas and Peter Marsden more than covers the cost of EW's shareholding, which to all extent and purposes is valued at nothing. And we all know that 50% of nothing = nothing.

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I dont fully understand all this 50% stuff and eric whalley, but i just wanna see it took off him so theres no chance of him coming back and the club being run more smoothly without rumours of change all the time

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THANKS ilyas n Loweiy, yer comments have turned my day around big time.:)

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Thanks for your time and efforts, Ilyas and Loweiy.
Aren't there enough snow stories to fill the LET at the moment without having to frightening the life out of some of us?
I'm still shuddering at the thought and it's not the cold weather.

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Thanks for taking the time to post Chaps

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When you signed the visitors book did you see E Whalley in there . . . . . I did

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thanks Ilyas, and Loweiy.

as we knew the rumour or spectre of EW returning have always been there, but it being in print today certainly 'realised' the threat. But Mr K is on top of it and that is good enough for me!

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some say spectre, i say Freddie Kruger.:D

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Many Thanks Ilyas for the post and for all you are doing for Stanley.

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So, is it safe to put my "Whalley Out" banner back in the cupboard now? ;)

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if he comes back ill pay him with washer

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Iylas khan please buy eric whalleys shares and cut out the plastic millionaire.

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I am struggling to understand the EW situation.
Surely, if he is stil the majority share holder (52%) he still has overall control of the club. I would have thought that any money donated by Ilyas was simply a donation and nothing else, and does not affect EW's majority share holding.

Although the club was worthless before Ilyas's donation, and all the other wonderful donations and fund-raising events, it is now worth considerably more, and therefore will surely have increased the value of EW's 52% share holding.

Before the 'bail-out', EW owned 52% of a massive debt. As I see it, he now still owns 52% of the club, as it stands today with those debts having been cleared.

I am probably incorrect in this line of thought, but it seems this way to me. Perhaps this could be clarified by Ilyas or anyone else 'in the know'.

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"Finally, on the shares. The equity has been for some time and will continue to be for some time to come, almost irrelevant in terms of control. Our club has large costs and requires massive further investment, and unless and until an equity shareholder has the wherewithal and committment to stump up that cash, he or she has no practical say."

Quote from Ilyas's post earlier.


"Surely, if he is stil the majority share holder (52%) he still has overall control of the club." . . . . . . . He only owns shares, he is not the Chairman or the Director and he is hardly in a financial position to start throwing money Stanley's way.
So - at the moment - it's not a problem.

If an investor came forward and started to throw millions in stanley's direction then the investor would want as many shares as possible so when the club value rose his shares would rise too and so he would see some financial benifit.

So at the moment he can keep them . . . . . . Unles he wants to sell them to me . . . . Mr Whalley, if you read this forum PM me with a price, I will buy the shares from you.

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Didn't O'Neill buy all of EW's shares?

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Nope

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:)Thanks Ilyas.
It is so good to be reassured and have situations clarified.:)
Ilyas is the man to lead us forward. I would love Ilyas to aquire EW's shares. Iyas has integrity, intelligence and is always as honest and frank as he can be. We get transparency and empathy which are, in my opinion, the characteristics that would make him an ideal Chairman and major share holder. http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/i...ons/icon14.gifAlso we get no false promises but honest and fair appraisals of the situations about finance, the ground etc. :) Ilyas is spot on when he suggests that things cannot change overnight but that it can change in stages.http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/i...ons/icon14.gif
Come on all regular supporters and encourage and educate all fringe Stanley fans to come and support the team, the club and the management and help us to cosolidate and move our wonderful, historic little club forward.:):):)http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/i...ons/icon14.gifhttp://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/i...ons/icon14.gifhttp://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/i...ons/icon14.gif
On Stanley On !!!!

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I know that neither of you want/need any thanks, but, thanks for taking the time to post and taking the time to speak to people at the club :)

Cheers lads :)

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Eric appears well out of it - Chesters game with Forrest Green is off tonight as allegedly the players won't play due to unkept promises.

Forest Green V Chester - The Football Forum - More Than Just A Game

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Great minds think alike, was posting that on another thread at the same time :D