Our Defence
 

.....or lack of it.

Once again we have been let down by our defence. Only Darlington have conceded more goals than us this season and we have conceded the most goals at home. Unfortunately, once again I have to say - 'If we had a defence we would be dangerous'

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WHAT DEFENCE?:mad:

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Five successive defeats. The defence rests, m'lord.

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But who would you replace ? individually they are great. Is it a case of bringing in a new defensive coach ? Do we have a defensive coach ?

It seems to me as though we play great all game apart from odd 5 mins here and there when one of the defenders decides to go and make a brew or wonder off in search of daisies, thus leaving us exposed at the back.

I couldnt believe we was 2-0 up yesterday when infact if it wasnt for Boozer we would of been 4-2 down.

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Agreed for once with Jeff.

In my humble opinion it all starts with the man between the sticks at the back, and unfortunately at the moment Bouza seems all over the place, whilst Bav's is simply not consistent enough to be a League 2 keeper.

Our defence as we know has been leaking goals all season long, but as long as we kept scoring more it was never a problem until now when you could almost drive an arctic truck through our defence.

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it to me as always started wi the man between the sticks, Defenders need confidence in that very man, which then generates throughout the side, the only way i see fer this to be properly addressed is by the mangement to stop playing "Happy Families" n "Jobs fer the Boys" n get "PROFESSIONAL" were in the league now fer gods sake.:rolleyes:

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Its not just whats behind the back four,but whats in front,ie defend from the front.The front two aren't working hard enough to close down,and there is also very little protection in front of the back four,with both central midfielders caught forward,and struggle to get back when the oppostion attack,thats were I would expect someone like John Mullin with all his experience to just sit in front of the back four and put his foot on the ball, a la Paul Cook.

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Unless Jimmy Ryan was injured, it was a gigantic mistake to take him off. Luke Joyce had to come on because our midfield was as leaky as a colander (putting the already shaky defence under great pressure) but Jimmy Ryan was the only midfield player with any real attacking impetus. Aside from the great assist for the goal, Chris Turner was struggling as was Procter - either should've made way before Jimmy.

McCarten had a nightmare. Perhaps he's still feeling the effects of the illness that kept him from travelling on Saturday but he didn't do anything right. Hopefully we'll see Flynn make another appearance at the expense of Kempo. When he gets frustrated it helps no one.

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I agree Shaker.

Im just hoping the rumours on why Ryan was taken off arent true.

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Rumours?:confused: a guy told us he was limping at half time.:confused:

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Know what yer saying, but disagree Billy Kee drops back regular, stands on post to defend corners n in effect works his ass off every game, unless i'm watching a differant game.:confused:

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I was meaning more in open play to close down opposition full backs,eg Rush & Beardsley ,everybody drops back at corners,Symes also does a good job at defending the near post.I have always said it would be interesting when defending corners if a team left 2 players up front,one wide on each touchline,how would they be marked?

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We have a few problems in defence, we do not have a LB, so we are playing one of our many CB's there and though, I do not doubt his commitment and attitude, he does get caught out and the main reason for that, is he is playing out of position :)

Tom Lees was great for about 25/30 games, but has really gone off the boil, he struggles to pass to anybody on his own Team these days.

The main thing, is what most of us think, we do not have a No1 keeper, all this chopping and changing, helps nobody, least of all the four in front of him, Boozer will be out and Bavs back in on Saturday and the whole thing will start again!! :eek: :)

We need a good keeper - Kenny Arthur type, who will always be in goal, then the defence is built around him :) :)

In Phil and Kempo, we have two good CB's, but we need one either side and one behind, to help move us forward next season :) :)

Just my humble opinion :)

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They would keep at least three of the opposition defenders near them, which would leave 9 Stanley players to defend the corner against 7 opponents. And it would give Stanley's defence two options when hoofing the ball out. Of course, they might opt for the third option and hoof it down the middle, where there wasn't a Stanley player.
But I too can't understand why Stanley's attacking 'wide' men drift in to the middle whenever play is on the opposite wing; it's almost as if they have been told to mark the opposition's full back, not stay away from him.

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Bring back king kenny arthur :D

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I Wish......

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Dont we all

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Ian Dunbavin has improved this year, the word im looking for is Matured.

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I like to take to task valarian blaming deano/left back for the defensive problems , firsty all the goals conceeded are to be seen on tv, how many would you put down to him ? watch them and you will be suprised.
The biggest culprit is what is called the square ie 2 centre backs and 2 centre midfielders. doesnt matter how many crosses come in ,if your square defends particulary the second ball you rarely conceed.
The other main problem is the full backs are asked to stay out wide leaving big gaps between the full back and centre backs for runners to exploit . different coaches have different ideas on this
true deano is a centre back/sweeper but has played there only twice (and he scored).
His best position is sweeper prob along side kempo ,but edwards wont be rested as hes played over 100 consecutive games
He played along side kempo in pre season and they never conceeded whilst together.
The major factor is the pitches,and since feb its there for all to see,the team have been asked to go long and the team has not got the players to do this,hence the ball just comes straight back
So before looking for scapegoats , study the facts first,by the way he can use his left foot as well as his right ---- rant over

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Sorry football19 - in no way am I blaming Winnard - re-read my post please, but I am not blaming him, I am blaming the club, for not having a LB and as Macca as so correctly pointed out, Winnard is a Right footed CB!! Winnard has been a good player for us and I would love to see him pushing/playing at CB :) :) If it came over in any other way - sorry :)

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Who are you, his Dad???:D:D:D

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sorry for my rant,but he says he loves it at acci and would play anywhere, he prob has been lumbered with that position and never moans,just gives everything in ever game, hes played over 10 games injured during the season but never complained

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close family member and best mates

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Football19, I honestly don't know a single Accy fan that doesn't think Deano is ace. Despite playing out of position he's made very few mistakes this season, and even they were only due to inexperience in League football (one that springs to mind is penatly giveaway vs Shrewsbury at home). The fact that he took earful after earful from a frustrated Kempo on Monday and still wanted to get forward and grab a goal is a testament to his attitude. People would just feel more comfortable with a left footed full back on that side. Too often here at Stanley players are played out of position and it doesn't work. However, out of our three best left backs in recent years, two have been right footed! That includes Deano! He's miles better than (left footed) Chris King...

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STRANGE how a season can throw up differing situations.

You've got the bragging rights over us....again:(

Whilst it could go down to the last scheduled game at Christie Park to determine whether or not we are in the play offs.;)

FUNNY GAME FOOTBALL:confused:

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Deano is quality! proberly one of the best signings coley has made this season, and going to be a really good player for us over the next few years when he has more league experience, gives his all every game and likes getting foward and he has some pace aswell, hope he stays next year, proberly get snapped up by a higher league team next couple of years, like shaker says kept his head and wanted to get foward after getting his head ripped of by kempo, deano deano deano deano

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it would be funny watching a Bury v Morecambe paly off semi final, who would we support?

our perennial 'enemies' from the Bay who we are annually better than over two games but worse than over 46? or our new found love in with the ex-Lancs Mancs? Personally think that we'd have to support the home team at each leg. And supporting Morecambe would give The Ultras the chance to roll out the flags for one extra game this year! How good was it to see the 'Pride of Lancashire' flag displayed at your previous play off with Dagenham, and with all us knowing it wasn't Morecambes! looked good on t'telly :cool:

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Agreed he has, but none of the bunch i stand with think hes a league keeper.:rolleyes:

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This is not the word I'm looking for...and, indeed, the word I frequently utter whilst stood on the Clayton End. ;)

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our defence or lack of it is alarming. we havnt had a balanced back 4 since hollis left. liam has been great as he was good in possession. that is where one of the main problems is for me. none of the back 4 are comfortable on the ball (with kempson and winnard being the main culprits). this results in the hoof ball we all hate. the midfield know its coming so they push forward expecting flick ons. we lose 1st ball and get counter attacked against a shaky defence and a hologram in goal = recipe for disaster.

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That's not true. Our defence is relied on too much; too often it is the first rather than the last line to be tested. The midfield is not balanced. Perhaps making Procter captain was a mistake in that respect as our most effective central midfield pairing is Ryan/Joyce. It's simple. As far as uncharacteristic mistakes are concerned, Phil Edwards has to do more than his own workload more often than not and this can lead to mistakes. He's still the best defender in the team, one of the best in the league, and I'm going to go to the other thread and vote him player of the season.

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Disagree Shaker fer me Winnard has been the most consistent, though would put edwards 2 nd.:)

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I didn't say anything about consistency ;) I'd agree with you about Winnard.

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winnard is a good defender and does particularly well against people who have pace, adomah springs to mind. its just painful watching him on the ball, for some 1 who has been at a premiership academy he is very blinkered. count how many times he passes to his winger and how many times he hoofs it next game. 1/3 ratio. consistent defender yes good attacking full back no

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I think I'm the only one who is in favour of Coley's 'four centre halves along the back' mentality. It's ideal for League 2. It just seems that we haven't got the wing play to support that, unfortunately.

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i reckon we could have the wing play, fer some strange reason its not utilised as it could be.:confused:

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I think this comment is a little unfair!! I mean you've got to put it into context.

You say count how many times he passes to his winger, well most of the season that winger has been Mr Invisible himself, John Miles. Its very hard to use your winger as a full back, if they aren't where they are supposed to be, or in many cases with Miles, inexplicably hiding behind an oppo player!! This gives Dean 3 options, pass square to a fellow defender (which is very dangerous), pass into the centre of midfield (which is generally overcrowded and where we stand little chance of using the ball effectively) or do what most full backs are taught through all academy levels and what most promanagers preach regularly, hit the striker.

The idea is that the fullback releases the ball early to the striker, in the air. The striker then knocksdown the ball or controls it and releases either of his wingers to run at the oppo full back and either go past him to the by-line and cross the ball, or deliver the cross early into the space behind the two oppo centre halfs, for either of the strikers, an attacking centre mid or winger from the opposite flank to run onto and finish.

This is a classic counter attacking strategy.

The problem we have is in picking up the knock downs and my favorite moan of the season, second balls. If we won even half of the second balls we fail to be anywhere near in every area of the pitch, we would concede less and find ourselves attacking more.

I the words of Aleksander Orlov . . . . SIMPLES!!!!!

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Such a dilemma....but don't worry can't see Bury getting there.

;););)

How much for Symes?

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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A Million ;)

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Sparkies post is spot on regarding distribution / playing from the back.
What people dont realise is the players are being told / coached to play a certain way. In deanos case its totally opposite to what hes been coached for the last 10 years.
All academy cb s are encouraged to get on the ball and play,bring the ball down instead of heading it !
Div 2 football is totally different ( playing services have a lot to do with it ).
Higher level clubs look for TABS technique,attitude,balance and speed before even considering a player
Its pointless asking the keeper to throw the ball out as hes told not to !!!

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is Div2 totally different though? i aint so sure,:confused: have seen some good attacking sides this season,n yes some hoofers, stanley have played some good attacking stuff at times this term, i think the difference is simply some still have a Non- League Mentality.:confused:

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a million what?

:confused: