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Afternoon all
Very simple team news - unchanged eleven - Bouzanis back on the bench

Dan

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STANLEY: Dunbavin, Lees, Edwards, Kempson, Winnard, Ryan, Procter, Joyce, Miles, Symes, Grant
SUBS: Bouzanis, Kee, Turner, McConville, Mullin, Murphy, Flynn

HEREFORD: Adam Bartlett, Keith Lowe, Richard Rose, Darren Jones, Ryan Valentine, Gavin McCallum, James McQuilkin, Kenny Lunt, Marc Pugh, Mathieu Manset, Craig King
Subs: Gwynne, C Jones, Weir, Young, Done, Constantine, Jervis

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We're off. Glorious sunshine. Stanley attacking the Coppice End

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2: Stanley's first corner

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In-swinging from Grant - scrambled away

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11: First chance
A good run from Miles diwn the left, who plays it back to Winnard, His cross to the edge of the six yard box is headed straight at bartlett by Procter

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13 - hereford chance
Marc Pugh breaks away down the left channel but his attempted chip drops well wide of the left hand post

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26 - Craig King misses a good chance for the home side. He reacted to a flick from Manset and fired just wide...

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31: Pretty quiet at the minute...

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32: Winnard cross from deep headed straight at Bartlett by Symes

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Are you sat at Edgar St Dan ? :D

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35: GOAL
Gavin MCCallum turns just outside the box and shoots beyond Dunbavin
0-1

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And dave... I'm used to doing this at away games!!!

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Half time 0-1
Fairly uninspiring stuff from both sides to be honest. Decent goal though.

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Back underway. No changes

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Penalty to stanley !!!!

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symes steps up

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scores!

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Good penalty - casually lifted beyond the keeper to the right. 1-1

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Looking more confident now. Great feet from Miles down the left - he gets in a left foot cross which is scrambled away at the near post

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Decent chance for Symes, shooting left foot from a tight angle on the left = keeper blocks

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58: another good chance
Miles clips the ball to the edge of the box, where Joyce chests it down and fires in a shot. Bartlett parries to Grant following up, but he can only blast it over.

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68: Stanley goal disallowed
Ryan shot parried out by Bartlett - Symes taps in the rebound, but the flag is raised for offside

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Chris Turner on for john Miles

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Turner's just had the ball in the net - offside though

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Last minute Hereford winner. Typical...

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Where is everyone today?:confused: just home, very poor first half, better 2nd, only amusement was seeing the Hereford Fans run on n thank Dunsaving.:rolleyes:

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Yet another loss :(

What the hell is going on ? :(

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We're safe, the players know it, and it shows.

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crap ,, **** ,,, rubbish ,, anything,, time 4 sum to go on hols now and not come back bar 5 only

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Gutting!!!!!!!!!!

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Poor display on show today. Hope Miles and Joyce are "rested" next game as they were both very poor today and thats from players wanting a contract. Roll on next game and hope we get back to winning ways.

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Rats!, hate losing to Hereford :(:(

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Miles was limping quite badly going back to his car

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anyone see what happend at the end involing bobby grant and one of out other players or management?

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I didn't MCR, but what i see every home match is the "Ultras" giving 100% support, commitement, passion, n energy, wish i could say the same fer all the team, some do, some do but aint good enough, but some...............:( those young lads put to shame n deserve better. IMHO.

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thought it was an absoutly brillant display by jase today, well thought off and worked very well, really load and proud today!!! after the pen thought we had a really chance of grabbing a 2nd and third!

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we did mate but they were offside.:) thought unlucky wi the first un, but second un definatly was.

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Ultras were excellent today - in great voice but have to say the 'wind' section made us chuckle........ a bit bullish wannit?

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Sorry, but I just cannot agree with that. The main threats came from John Miles - even this Match Thread suggests that. He was the only player to run at the opposition and to try to open the Bulls' defence. He created an excellent chance from a quick throw-in. Certainly the Bulls saw him as a real threat - they tried to get 2 defenders near him as soon as he got the ball.

We urgently need a left-footed left back who can overlap confidently and draw defenders out of position. This would give Miles even more options.

I felt the real weak link yesterday was Michael Symes. His ball control was very poor and his shooting was equally poor.

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i also thought Miles was the main threat yesterday, even think we would have won had he remained fer 90 mins, thought a favourite of mine "Winnard" had a very poor game, by his own excellent standards.

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I agree that Miles was our best player yesterday, the poorest performances for me were in central midfield, Proctor & Joyce - constantly giving the ball away, running around like headless chickens. I would rest Proctor & Joyce for the next game, whats the story with John Mullin? if he's fit to play - play him & Jimmy Ryan in the centre & Turner & Miles on the wings.

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Agrre that we were not very good again today. I thought the first disallowed goal was a wrong call by the liner! Grant was in an offside position beyond th far post but he was totally passive, (according to referees guidance), Symes walked past their centre half to tap in the rebound from their keeper. Second effort ; yes Turner was offside. We should not be losing to teams like Hereford. Agrre that Ultras were brilliant AGAIN

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The team spirit seems to be at its nadir; there's no cohesion whatsoever. I'm really struggling to remember the last time we put two decent passes together in the opposition's half. If only the team could replicate some of the energy and 'Red Army' mentality shown by the Ultras yesterday! It's down to Coley and Jim to bring the team together and give the fans something to get excited about for next season. With things on the field the way they are at the moment, the end of the season can't come soon enough. :(

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Fully agree about Miles, and am getting fed up with people constantly on his back. He was our one forward who looked capable of opening up their defence, but of course was subbed! Also agree that Proccy and Joyce were abysmal throughout and need dropping, but can't see it happening.:(

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Luke Joyce started so well with us, but like a few of the Team - Lees to name another - his form of late has been very poor, why, nobody knows, but from being a player that would have been one to stay at the turn of the year, I feel that there now must be a question as to if he stays or not??

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There was more then that guy! But fair play to him for organising it.

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I think the real question is "How" have players who "Were" playing decent football, degenerated back the Big Boot? makes me wonder if its been coached out of em, fer some unknown reason.:confused:

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The answer here is a perfectly sensible and obvious one if you look at most of the players who's form has dipped considerably. For me those players are Tom Lees, Luke Joyce, Chris Turner, Micheal Symes, Bobby Grant, Billy Kee and Sean McConville, none of whom have completed a full season (which in this case includes two long cup runs) at first team level in any division. Most of the players mentioned have either spent the majority of their previous seasons out on sporadic loan spells (Symes, Joyce) or been playing youth academy or reserve football (max of 25 games per season). Based on the fact that we have now played in excess of 50 games this season, it is easy to see how these young inexperienced players can see their form fading in the face of a long hard season. Especially one where the pitches and weather have been as bad as this season.

I'm afraid chaps and chapesses it is not rocket science!!

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A pattern with some of them , the two highlighted particulary Chris have been reduced to cameo roles from the bench which is maybe the reverse of what your saying in they may not have had enough game time to force the issues and have an impact?



Same could be said of the Gary King, John Mullin, Johnny Flynn all could maybe have been used more over the last month or so to alternate things around a little?:)

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The other thing in there is they are all bar one midfielders or attackers which could also hint at our possession and attacking style has changed?

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I hear what you are saying Sparkie, but it is not just a few, as a matter of fact, who has played well recently??? Even the reliable ones - Phil springs to mind - have had poor games! Kempo, who was solid, has been all over the show in recent games, Phil has had some terrible games of late and has been responsible for more than his fair share of goals. Proccy and Miles have been with us for a good few seasons and have played plenty of games, so whilst much of what you say is true, I still think that something else is the issue! Listening to Jimmy Bell after the game yesterday, he admitted that he and Coley just do not know what is wrong and have tried everything they know/can to put it right, with the home defeat to Hereford being the result!! Sorry to be negative, but ???? This is still our best season ever and we must not lose sight of that, but it would be nice to get a win again sometime this season, against Crewe would be nice for more than one reason :rolleyes: :) :)

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Apart from the fact that it's your 'hood, Val, would also be nice to get a win there as a point of honour - the last time we played at Gresty Road, we were beaten 4-0 in a snowstorm; it was March 2nd, 1962 and it was the last match before we went on our little "leave of absence" from the football league. We have unfinished business there! ;)

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Team effort as always, Clayton End Forever!

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One thing they could have done is to have shown more faith in Chris Turner, especially after his performance at Torquay. Too often they have preferred McConville to him.

I would also like them to decide who is the preferred goalkeeper. Both Bavs and Boozer have failings but I see little point in dropping one in favour of the other for a few games, and then reverting back.

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I do not n never have bought "Played too Many Games" crap, thats just making excuses to me, ok stanley only have a small squad, is using it too much to ask? it seems that way to me.:rolleyes: people in it have hardly had a kick, using subs earlier than the last few mins also wouldn't do any harm,

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Must say as ever Cashy, spot on post man :)

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Everybody seems to be missing the main reason why things have gone pear shaped - THE PITCH !! - Since feb the coaching staff have obviously decided to play the game in the opposions half ( rightly so ) by getting the ball forward and hunting mistakes, unfortunatley they have not got the personnel to play this way
The team has good players on the ball ,but when the opposition have the ball are not as effective ( who are the ball winning competitive midfielders in midfield with a physical presence ? which forwards are consistantly giving centre halfs a physical battle ? , Its these areas that if not addressed just invites pressure and will end up fighting a uphill battle.
If the pitch was half decent i am sure Acci wouldnt have to play this way and would easily pass there way through and around teams.
Someone also mentioned about the more experienced players standing up and taking the lead which is a valid point , but even these are subject to a dip in form

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sorry mate don't buy that either. the pitch is crap, but same fer all the teams, are ya saying that all the other sides especially those at the bottom end have players to play n we aint? also as fans have said "Away" performances have been very poor of late, are those pitches crap as well?:confused: like tiredness, the pitch is just another excuse to me.

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Yes,the pitch does need attention,but we have hardly had any rain in the last few weeks,resulting in a very lively dry pitch.During this dry spell,how often have the team trained on the pitch,to get used to it? to improve there first touch and passing.As has been said,the away sides seem to be able to find there men a lot easier,and yes we do need some ball winners who can pass the ball and get our wide players involved.

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Plus the crap pitch dont seem no worse to me, than it was 2/3 months ago,when the lads were playing some damn good football.

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Sorry cashman but i disagree with you , how many teams have come to Acci and played them off the park by playing from the back ? not many if any.
Indeed both Notts county and Rochdale and Bury changed there tatics half way through the game and went direct which resulted in getting 3 points.
Viewing the pitch from the side lines is different from actually playing on it.
It was comical on saturday watching both teams warming up,the ball was bouncing in all directions even messi would have struggled on the pitch, higher league clubs water the pitches before,and at half time to try and avoid making a mockery of trying to play entertaining football

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Then how were we playing the good stuff a couple of months back?:confused:

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Rochdale is a good un to mention. we saw 2 good sides one who has been chasing promotion all season, we saw a good match,on that crap pitch, came away disapointed, but not upset or annoyed, general concensus was the best team on day won, seen quite a few good displays at home from stanley this season, no-one seems to blame the crap pitch fer that?:confused: beats the hell outa me.

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True, they were playing decent football when the pitch was dead /wet and not as lively,but things seemed to derail after the fulham game.
wheither some players thought they were better than they are after competing with prem players i dont know,but when we were playing well we were defending from the front,and getting possession in the oppositions third of the field.
Other teams may have picked up on this and play more direct against us.
This results in Putting the defence under an ariel threat and really only kempo has that physical presence to try and deal with it.
A must is for a holding /ball winning midfielder with a physical precence who can screen the centre backs as well as midfield runners.
I was impressed with the coloured lad of port vale who bullied proctor as well as not losing an header all game and not allowing the ball to get to symes feet.
It just takes the pressure off your defenders and allows them to look to get forward in the knowledge someone will fill in if the play breaks down

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Make your mind up. Is it the pitch or is the the lack of suitable personnel?

It seems to me you are neither watching the game nor reading these posts. Several people have commented on the poor pitch - read the posts again.

If you are correct in saying that the coaching staff have changed tactics since February, why should they have done that?:confused: We won 9 out of 12 matches between 1 December and 6 February. Why on earth change winning tactics?

Why do you say "the team has good players on the ball"? Most people are saying exactly the opposite. Our players treat the ball like a hot potato.

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good post mate, seems to me some folk are too diplomatic, or make excuses, dont understand or know which.:confused: me i say things as i see em, aint always right, but think if more folk did, things in life in general would be much better.

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But doesnt prove a thing because opposition players still manage to find the back of the net & win balls, techincally stanley should be fairing better as its their home pitch :confused:

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In-correct on the first point,as i have only missed four games home and away all season,secondly my posts are based on my observations during these games.
I go to watch both teams playing football not just acci,so i dont get as emotionally involved like other posters.
I am not coaching at the moment but have my level 2 badge,and enjoy the technical side of two coaches pitting they wits against each other.
After 50 games you can see the stronger older more experienced players start having a greater impact in games ( its playing for a new contract time )
Proctor is a key figure for acci in terms of ball winning and physical presence and he will admit not being at his best for a while.
joyce,ryan,and miles are good footballers but not ball winners which the team needs when things arent going there way

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ok yer in to coaching, well tell me if ya see what i see every match? agree that procter is a ball winner, but every time 2 stanley players go to win a ball at the same time, 1 is always procter, that simple thing messes things up big time frequently, or are we not watching the same matches.:confused:

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How does that work mate, we have played some games away!!!!

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well to be honest i think yer n arrogant git, to suggest others don't go to watch both teams, :(

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It must be hard on the two keepers warming up together without any coach anywhere near them, they do their best but I am sure they would benefit even if somebody came in part time to help them out.

I am sure you could help there if your Level 2 in coaching?:)

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you touting for a job? :)

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Me no enough on my plate at Holt House at the mo;)

Although come the end of the season I may be approachable:)

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So based on your in-depth analysis and knowledge of coaching, can you explain why the Stanley coaches changed their methods in February as you claim?

Can you also explain why it is the "stronger older more experienced players" who are playing for a new contract rather than the younger ones?

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I fancy doing the job for two or three months as well! although I will be busy again by August :)

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i think football 19 must be making life very difficult for winnard in the dressing room. if the other players are reading the site am not sure they would take kindly to some observations of players ( miles , procky etc)when quite clearly you are getting some information off dean. might i suggest, with the priviliged position you have of inside information that you select carefully what you decide to share. some things are best left in the dressing room.

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I understand what you mean rude dog,but if you know deano he doesnt talk about football to anybody and doesnt even read football forums.
I suppose if its your job you eventually get sick of people asking you questions.
All my posts are my own views and i am not daft enough to embaress him as most posters are aware i know him.
Still think proctor has had a dip in form tho ! and proves what an important player he is

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I meant the oppositions older and experienced players have raised there game as the new contract time is approaching

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Sorry my friend, ASFC's team coach has WIFI & 240v access. Deano may not read t'internet but his team mates do. I regularly get asked questions and i'm slagged off for comments posted!!

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Just a little post script - Deano may not read this particular site, but he does read Facebook. and there are enough comments on that site to make your hair curl.

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facebook ? does acci have a site relatedto this

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yeh accrington stanley fc have facebook and twitter accounts.
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