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The walkway incident was really annoying! One steward was stood their on the terrace walkway entrance with his arms across it! We started walking towards it saying excuse me and said we wasnt allowed through. Thinking he was joking i laughed politely and said excuse me! He was actually being serious. He said that you cant go through the walkway as people behind it were blocking it! I thought, is this a joke? I went to him " well why cant you move the people behind the walk way so then we can use the walkway for what its for" he said nope not coming through. So everyone then had to get through and pass everyone on the terrace just get to were they wanted to!! Its an utter joke. Whats the point in a walkway? I didnt mind walking through the people to stop a problem etc but its how they talked to you and what they did and that was nothing. I try not to have a moan on here as there isnt any point and just causes negativity towards the club but this was something that really annoyed me! Oh and yes, if crooky gets banned for chucking a till roll , then so do another 80 people!!! :enough: |
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As one of the people who have “had a go” as you put it, at Mr Schultz, I would re-iterate what I previously said. Whether or not he is a superb kit-man, wonderful gopher or anything else, I would say that, if those duties interfere with his main role as Chief Safety Officer, then he is taking on too much. The fact remains that, as Chief Safety Officer, he is ultimately responsible for the stewards and, ipso facto, for the way in which they conduct themselves. All I have asked from him is a statement that he, as Chief Safety Officer, does not condone the behaviour of certain members of his team and an assurance that action will be taken to ensure that such behaviour by stewards will not be condoned by ASFC in the future. No such assurance has been forthcoming, so I am left to draw my own conclusions.:(
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ditto Oldgobbin.
I text him the name of the steward WHO I SAW THROWING PUNCHES so hopefully it will be dealt with. But like has been mentioned, somebody is accountable for the stewards and it was their heavy handedness which forced the issue on the night. Fair do's nicking somebody, but when four people are holding one person down, with headlocks and arm bars, then folk will always intervene. If the stewards retaliation is to throw punches then the whole situation escalates. The club, if anything, should be extremely thankful that we don't have the army of idiots that the police clearly thought we had. If the 30 or so people involved (myself included) had been of that ilk then they'd still be cleaning the claret off the terracing |
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I think that we all know that the club are in a very difficult situation and I for one would not expect to hear from them on this forum!!!!
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It is up to us as FANs to sort this, we must use the stickied thread at the top of this messageboard, plus every other option we have!
We all know where the club is, we all know who the people are!! We have Amanda Jacks from FSF, who is offering help. I was close to Jase and I know that at least 1 or 2 more on here were close by - it could have been us!!! We must not take this lying down, if we do, it will be the thin end of the wedge, before we know it there will be zero tolerance on singing, dancing, drums etc. JUSTICE FOR THE SU2 |
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Shocked to read what happened Jase,
Reading between the lines I reckon that the stewards have been waiting for an opportunity to get you, and you gave them that opportunity albeit for in your opinion the right reason, supporting your mate. Of course I will definitely be a Character Witness for you, if it can help. Accrington Stanley would not be the same without you, and also although I reckon your Ultras would carry on, I am sure that everyone would agree that it just wouldn't be the same without you. Don't let them win, fight it and good luck to you. Once again if I can help in any way as a Character witness then I will. Best wishes to you and all the Accy Ultras. John Forever Bury. Shakers and Shrimps alike, they all know the score!!! We must fight this!! |
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why do stewards keep coming on here and trying to distract from the cause of the problems.
Police and Stewards with no idea on how to control a harmless crowd, but hell bent on wilfully creating a scene to justify their pointless existence. I didnt agree with alot of what eric whalley said, but i do i agree with him on one thing 'i wouldnt pay them with washers' |
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FACT - till rolls were thrown after the start of the second half. FACT - a message was tannoyed around the ground after the start of the second half to cease throwing till rolls. FACT also this wasn't heard on the Clayton End - which in effect is a club problem. FACT - I know Jase polices the Ultras with a passion and his mantra is for a loud proud bunch of supporters who are - in the main - law abiding and peaceful. A policy I support whole heartedly. FACT - were the stewards at the Clayton End, club stewards or hired help? You don't answer this one. FACT - quite clearly you have never stewarded a game in your life. Try it, even at Accy it is not always that easy. Whilst I support Jase and the Ultras for all they do at home and away matches, get off the stewards backs. Yes they may be paid 'washers', but without them, the town of Accrington would not have a football club, because they are a legal requirement - FACT. PS I am not a steward - used to be one, but now do a more mundane job. |
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~Whilst I understand what you are trying to say Ozzy, stewards came on the Clayton End with fists clenched, THAT IS WHY THERE WAS THE LEVEL OF TROUBLE THAT WE SAW.
If the arrest/ejection had been made in a proper fashion then there wouldn't have been any objection from the crowd as a whole. Once it was obvious that trouble had begun then they could quite easily have made a cordon between the first arrest and the so-called police attackers - they didn't, they separated and became emboiled in various battles all over the place. For the record, I personally didn't have any problem with the way the police spoke to people, or the way they handled the beginnings of the trouble. At any point that they are asked, or take it upon themselves, to intervene then there is a problem. That type of problem is usually violence and they were dealing with a crowd. They are trained to deal with problems as quickly and firm handedly as possible. For me the problem of the police on the Clayton End lies with whoever made the call that they were required and whoever was in control (or not) of the Stewards? Did they act on their own initiative or was somebody telling them where to go and how to act? |
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This was a point which I tried to make earlier Macca.. If it was deemed that such a large 'Security Force' was really necessary, given the good behaviour record at 'The Crown', then surely some pre-match 'briefing' would have been given to all concerned!. If this was the case, then did The Police brief the Stanley Stewards and the 'Rentathugs' ?...or did the leader of the Mercenaries ( Hired Stewards!)...say that they would handle any misdemeanours in their own fashion ?....or was the Stanley Safety Officer the one to decide how the general security at the game would be handled, and any emergencies dealt with ?.. Or was there NO briefing at all imparted to the occupying Army , and thus ultimately no effective control planned other than that which caused the breakdown in order so widely described on our Forum ?. An answer to this question would not only satisfy my curiosity, but also that of many others so concerned about our Club and it's future!. BUT...as the many others have implied...I'm not holding my breath!. (Incidentally, I too as I walked through the Police Barrier at the top of Livingston Road, felt an unease that a meek and mild,and peace-loving Fan of our Friendly and Family- oriented' Club should not have to experience...this bit of Police-prescence was totally unnecessary...and no doubt expensive to the tax-paying citizens of Hyndburn !) |
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I've just posted on another thread that there were at least 15 stewards or police lined up in front of the Clayton End before the final whistle. Are they always there like that and I've just never noticed?
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