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Friends
If you haven't seen the fishy side I have to make a grovelling apology. There's no commentary as BT have accidentally (!) cut through the ISDN lines to Stanley's press box...

Meaning we're back to bog standard text commentary. I am annoyed and sorry :mad:

Dan

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Put yourself on MSN live chat or something, just make sure you switch the webcam picture off :p

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One change from last Sat...

Putterill is out of the 18 altogether.

Parky comes in

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is he injured?

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Nige, I think he might have picked up a knock in training yesterday - will confirm after the game...

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Just had a minutes silence for Coxy and for Stan Spencer who passed away earlier this season.

Very emotional all round...

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We're off - all Stanley players wearing black armbands

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I would think it's been very emotional up there for the past few hours ( as it has been all week from what I've seen ) I hope eveything pre-match went as well as it could under the circumstances.

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Hi Dan, First Deepest respects for all at the Crown today, not an easy day.

2. I can't hear a word your say....

3. have a good game.....

On, Stanley On!

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The Ultras are running through a medley of Coxy tribute songs at the minute...

Little to report on the pitch so far

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The Ultras are running through a medley of Coxy tribute songs at the minute...

Little to report on the pitch so far

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Internet's playing up now...

Two decent Stanley chances and one for the visitors -
McConville shot straight at Nikki Bull before great football saw Ryan shoot over.

At t'other end, Phil Edwards had to clear from inside the six yard box after Ben Strevens had a shot.

And Hessey has just saved the day with Scott Rendell in on goal...

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Internet's playing up now...

Two decent Stanley chances and one for the visitors -
McConville shot straight at Nikki Bull before great football saw Ryan shoot over.

At t'other end, Phil Edwards had to clear from inside the six yard box after Ben Strevens had a shot.

And Hessey has just saved the day with Scott Rendell in on goal...

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Bloody hell......have we scored yet.

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23 played and another Stanley opening of note - McConville flicking the ball into the sky and volleying it goalwards in a Gazza v Scotland style - JUST over though...

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26 - McConville hits the bar after a great through ball from Bateson down the right.

Stanley on top...

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26 - McConville hits the bar after a great through ball from Bateson down the right.

Stanley on top...

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After all those times you mentioned Constable last week Dan, he's finally managed to find the back of net today :)

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It's all going on now- McConville continues to torment the Wycombe defence, but the visitors have just hit the woodwork themselves.

Strevens headed down a long clearance to Rendell, who couldn't hit his volley sweeter but it came off the top of the bar.

Great game

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It's half time. And SOMEHOW goalless.

Very exciting game - I've seldom seen Stanley pass the ball so well.

McConville, Parkinson and Ryan have been very influential indeed, but as at Oxford last week - no goal...

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We are back under way...

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If anyone at the ground is checking this and travelling back towards Barrowford etc after the game, M65 is currently closed.

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More of the same from Stanley in this second half - Ryan's fired wide from 35 yards and Parkinson's just been denied by Nikki Bull's legs

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Somebody somewhere hates me.
Computer melted down and now Wycombe have scored...

Matt Bloomfield...

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It was a cross deflected from the left from sub John Paul Pittman that fell to Bloomfield unmarked at the back post.

He hammered it into the roof of the net to give Wycombe the lead

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Unbelievable that Stanley haven't scored.

Unbelievable

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Have we gone 4-3-3 dan?

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Ten minutes left.
Barnett's just fired over. Stanley look a bit stunned. A bit like me then

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The system is very much the same dav - Rory Boulding and Chris Turner imminent though...

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Parkinson and Bateson withdrawn

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Thanks for the updates Dan, hope we can get a draw here.

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Four minutes added

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get in you stanley boys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Stanley have taken a point - Boulding in the last minute!!!

FT 1-1

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does it feel like a win Dan, or do we still miss a 20 goal a season striker?

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Phew!!!

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Stanley have taken a point - Boulding in the last minute!!!

FT 1-1

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Phewwwwwww close one, still unbeaten though:)

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A well earned point, inspired double subtitution by JC. I thought Ryan was Mom. Stanley need to work on set pieces. Inpecable silence for Coxy, all in all a good afternoons enjoyment

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A tough game today against a team who will be there or there abouts, missed Putterill through midfield and his passing and willingness to take on the back four.

Was an open & enjoyable game where Stanley perhaps had the lions share of the game but Wycombe probably had the better chances, Winnard looked a little exposed at times with Gareth Ainsworth running at him first half.

To answer Davo's question yes I still think we are probably just missing a genuine target man to hold the play up and bring players into play more maybe Gornell will be that when he has a few more games under his belt and gets used to the Stanley system.

Where the mom came from I am not sure maybe they were watching a re-run of the Macc game?

I would still like to see us using a little bit more down than channels and taking defenders on but hey Rome was not built in a day.

It's another point and keeps the unbeaten run going

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That boy Chris Turner makes full backs look quite silly. One searching cross to get his eye in, then a cracker for the goal. What I like about him is that he delivers the ball with pace, not looping through the air like someone else I could mention, giving the defenders an easy time (or putting it straight along the floor to their first man!).
M.O.M.? Unbelievable.

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Playing what is essentially a 4-5-1 at home (without an accomplished target man in the squad) is never going to get us enough goals. Away from home the formation and subsequent draws will be useful, but we need to score more at home and for that we need to play two or three up front.

Thought Winnard had a nightmare today, Bateson not much better but looked lively. We really did suffer from Putterill's absence with his incisive passing and high-pressure game being sorely missed.

Wycombe certainly won the physical battle against our young and small side, but offered little in forward play. The referee was pretty poor and should've made more of an effort to locate his cards. Overall, we were wasteful in front of goal and didn't play anywhere near our top levels. Would expect some to lose their spot for the next game.

A fair draw all in all, but we must learn from faults of this game to move forward.

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Looking at the table, shutters up will be fine for the next two away games (Torquay and Vale) but the next two homes (Lincoln and Gills) we need to win well - and we will! :)

On Stanley On!

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"That boy Chris Turner makes full backs look quite silly. One searching cross to get his eye in, then a cracker for the goal. What I like about him is that he delivers the ball with pace, not looping through the air like someone else I could mention, giving the defenders an easy time (or putting it straight along the floor to their first man!)."

He certainly made a big impact in the game. Bout time for a start I would say. Much more attacking when he came on and great balls into the box.

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Well a draw probably a fair result against a good Wycombe side.

Agreed with the MOM comments, who was watching the game?!?!?

Thought Ryan was ace, again.... unlucky with a couple of strikes at goal, that freekick was abit poor mind.

Subs changed the game yet again..... Great to see Coley get them right..... Pleased for Boulding with his 1st ever Senior goal..... Turner MUST be give more game time (how many times have we said that mind)

Happy with a point, and a great tribute all game for Coxy.

Gutted im missing Torquay :(

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Good for Boulding to open his account. Coley should be happy with a point in a game we could have easily lost.

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How lovely of Boulding to score his first goal and keep us unbeaten, shame about the Wycombe goal. Overall I'd say it was a fair result, we had as many chances as each other.

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Thought overall a game of 2 halves, stanley 1st half, wycombe 2nd, draw was about right, most pleasing to me was the way the reds never gave up, think in previous seasons would have lost, the spirit is tremendous n down to coley imho, would hope he told em well done at the end, 2 good sides in a good game,as n aside still cannot comprehend how Turner don't get a start, beats the crap outa me.:confused: onward n upward though reds.:)

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Fair assessments by all today. As stated, minutes silence for Coxy was impeccable, shame that bloody ice cream van was driving through the estate at the back of the Whinney Hill terrace. Of the performance, I think Coxy would be proud of Stanley tonight. Yes we could and perhaps should have scored in the first half, but fair do's Wycombe had the lions share of the second half, but the team never gave up, right up to the last minute of added on time. Though there may have been a few more today, but 1,600+ not bad. With no premiership and championship games, thought a few more Rovers and Burnley fans would have come to get their weekly fix. All in all a good game. Not over enamoured with the officials, should read the rules of offside. Flagged Gornell off when he wasn't and didn't flag Boulding off when he scored!!! Oh well, shouldn't complain.

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shakermaker, to say the fullbacks had nightmares is very harsh , If you watched the way they played ( two forwards on our c.b s ) the fullbacks had to tuck in,hence relying on the five midfields to block the channel off.
This didnt happen forcing the fullbacks to break ranks and end up exposed in one on one situations.
Thought bateson had a good first half and didnt deano twice race 70 yards in the last 10 minutes to create chances for himself and charlie.
Whats your definition of nightmares ? As you must be watching a different game

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well agree i sure cant knock the full backs, wycombe were a damn good side, closed the reds down really well i thought, only disagreement i had today was MoM, n that was down to Hyndburn council............Nuff Said.:D

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Refs/Liners??? Bull, takes a goal kick, then the ref orders him to take it again - pointing to the 2nd ball on the pitch - the ball (in play) is way up in Stanleys half!! Wycombe take a thrown in - score from it - with two balls on the pitch, the ref points to the centre spot???? :confused: People always say that things like this even themselves out over the season, but I do not think that is true :eek: :rolleyes:

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cheers shaker really appreciated R.I.P Coxy

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Leave the lad alone, He used to think Cav was a full-back.:D:D

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That's a very harsh assessment of League 2 fullbacks. Where you expecting to see Ashley Cole? or perhaps Roberto Carlos? I thought both had good games and provided great attacking options, along with their defensive duties. Bateson I though had an excellent first half where he played a couple of great through balls to the forwards and put in a couple of excellent crosses. Winnard made two or three great surging runs that ended in attempts on goal.

You say we never played anywhere near our top levels. I thought some of the passing football, particularly in the first half was a delight to watch. Wycombe are going to be one of the better sides in this Division and Stanley where a match for them.

All in all i think it was a terrific match with the team worthy of far more than the criticism aimed at them in your review of the match.

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I wasn't at the match. but a statement from Winnard's dad means nowt to me:):):)

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Don't be facetious. It's not about expectation. Watching Accrington Stanley for over a decade you learn not to be expectant of anything. However there is a definite gap between the best performances I've seen of Bateson/Winnard and the display they put on today. Winnard has certainly had a shaky start to the season, which is not helped by the lack of protection he's being given down his flank.

We must have been watching an entirely different game. I only saw Winnard's runs end in him being boxed in among the opposition's defences, simply because he's not an attacking midfield player; unable to spot passes like Putterill or Ryan. I'd lost count of the amount of Winnard's sideways and backwards passes today. It was like Anthony Barry playing at left-back. I agree that it's good to have forward looking full-backs, always looking to overlap and attack. However if they start to yield little from their attempts (as apparently only I saw today) then it may be better to simplify things. So often the best defences in this league are the ones with four centre half players across the back, rather than the more appealing inclusion of attacking full backs.

There was a few flashes where Ryan and McConville in particular worked well with Gornell dropping deep, but overall I thought our play was scrappy in comparison to earlier games. Again, it's not about expectation; more of a will to force some kind of positive consistency that has been lacking in our Football League seasons.

A terrific match? Well that's just silly.

:)

p.s. My admittedly harsh remarks in the original post may have been made with a slightly 'knowing cheek' that a certain fanboy would jump to the mentioned player's defence. Apologies!

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Best point made on the whole subject :D

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BBC iPlayer - The Football League Show: 2010/2011: Episode 5

The moment after 44 minutes and 42 seconds of the show that there is proof that Wycombe's goal should not have stood, clearly 2 balls on the pitch after the throw in had been taken.

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Well i thought this was a cracking game and a good advert for L/2 football!! Lets not forget this wycombe team were in L/1 last season and with a bit more luck we could have won this one,thought there keeper was the busyer of the two and kept wycombe in the game with some excellent saves specialy the one from J Ryans long range effort. the linner on the main stand side was a joke big time:( All in all a good point for stanley:)

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well shaker everyone musta been watching a different game, cos loads of folk around us n folk we walked off wi, all commented what a good game it was, were ya stoned?:D:D:confused:

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shakermaker,normally your posts are constructive but i just cant agree with you on how to play the style of footy acci are trying to adopt.
You say you lost count of the times the ball was passed square and back?,this is called retaining possession!
Look forward,if the pass is not on,keep the ball moving,sideways and back if you have to.
If you have the ball the opposition cant score!!
Its not possible to hit the lone striker everytime or a midfielder who is marked tightly.
I presume you have been brought up on the " get it forward" early principle,it doesnt work with one up front
For 15 mins in the second half they tried and just surrendered possession,indeed hessey played 4 long balls on the run which wycombe got the ball back.
Shakey start to the season?mmmm how many have they conceeded and lost?.
If you watch corners and set pieces,deano always picks up the opposions dangerman,just remind me how many have scored?
Over 60 games and none!!! ( andy carroll at newcastle was the last over two years ago ).
Not bad for a shaky fullback,

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I understand about the need to tuck in with defenders but when you play a five man midfield my philosophy would be to play with two natural wide men Putterill to a degree has filled that role on the left and tracks back effectively you are doubling up on the attacking threat down the flanks threat maybe that's what went missing with him being out?

The right side is still an area I would like to see Chris Turner fill on a more regular basis to give us more natural width on the flanks creating chances and like Putterill getting back when needed.

With two natural wide men it also gives the full backs a liscence to bomb on while the flank midfielders can track back and fill the holes if needed.

I think the new 4 5 1 system is great maybe you can argue it would be more suited to away games and a more cavalier 4 4 2 at home?

But's that football its all about peoples peceptions and opinions everybodies vary slightly but that what makes it all the more interesting:)

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I fully appreciate that you know much more than I on the technical nitty gritty of the beautiful game. However, what I saw yesterday was Winnard more often than not bottling the through ball and squaring to Hessey, who's only option was to punt. Big difference from his best form. Of course there has to be a marriage in each pass with a movement from a midfield man to meet an exchange from the back. However with a five man midfield how hard can it be to pick a forward pass?

You've taken a leap from 'shaky start' to 'shaky full back'. Unfair. You know that throughout last season I've fully appreciated Winnard's remarkable fitness and consistency (only surpassed by Phil Edwards), and willingness to be versatile. I continue to admire his talents and assert that he is the first choice left back in our squad. If I'm the only one on here who has noted a dip in Deano's form from last season to this, then fair enough, must be an early onset of some neurological party. Insane in the membrane, p'raps. But as Pendle Red says, "that football its all about peoples peceptions and opinions everybodies vary slightly but that what makes it all the more interesting".

Pendle Red in his post has also articulated my thoughts on the formation and potential problems far better than I could.

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i was there with one rovers supporter (brother) and one burnley supporter (nephew)

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the speed in which wycombe closed stanley down, made it very difficult at times to make a forward pass shaker. IMHO.:) think yer missing, they were a very fair side?:confused: think there will be quite a few sides who come to the crown, not as fluent as them?

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On the team formation ...

I'm a big fan of the 4-2-3-1 formation; a look at our goals against tally is proof that two players in front of the central defence was necessary to stop the goals through the middle that we have typically conceded in recent seasons.

Watching the highlights from yesterday, their goal was farcical. Bateson is picking up no-one from the throw and we then have a 3-on-3 situation in the box with our three being Jimmy Ryan, Charlie Barnett and Dean Winnard. Where were Phil and Sean Hessey? I think their throw-in came from a long ball upfield after one of our attacks broke down, but it was very poor organisation which is something that we have not been guilty of this season.

Back to the team formation, long balls to Boulding, Lindfield or Gornell are never going to work and that showed yesterday when Gornell was faced with two big centre-backs. However, our formation means that we have lots of short, quick passes in midfield and that is what opens up the defences. In this respect, we have lots of small, quick (and quick-footed) players in comparison to the much bigger (and very physical) Wycombe side. We created lots of chances in the first 60 minutes against a well-organised side and on another day, we could have scored four by half-time. I think Gornell just needs to bring himself closer to the midfielders and interchange with them better to be the sole striker that we need (more Rooney than Van Nistelroy).

What about against weaker teams? I don't foresee a return to 4-4-2 with this team - we would need one big and one quick striker for this to be effective. What I would favour is a move from 4-2-3-1 to 4-3-2-1 instead (such as Arsenal play). There isn't the same protection in front of the defence, but pushing Putterill and Ryan to play just off Gornell would make us a lot more of an attacking force but within the same style of play - quick, short passes that open up a defence through the middle of the pitch.

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The Wycombe goal came through a bit of quick thinking from Wanderers and a bit of naivety from a ball boy (they were all getting a bit of a rocket at the end of the match for the incident).

Bateson put in a tackle from a Wycombe break which went out for a throw in, the ball boy who had another ball in his hands immediately through the ball to the Wanderers player who had it back in play instantly with Bateson still getting up from the tackle, hence he appeared to be marking no one. Stanley where stretched and they scored.

Not sure why people are looking to find fault in a defence that as so far conceeded just ONE league goal.

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gotta say it beats the crap outa me as well.:confused:

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No one's "looking to find fault". It's a discussion forum. For... discussion.

Indeed before yesterday's game there was a consensus among many that Wycombe would be the first to score against us in the league, so there's no disappointment or surprise in the goal itself. However the fact of the matter is that before yesterday we hadn't conceded in the league, after the game we had. Even though a goal against was inevitable - certainly when facing the better teams in the league - when it happens one is inclined to ask the question, 'what happened in order to break the spell?' I can guarantee that Coley will be asking the same question of the lads in training and will be working on how to plug the hole before any great big gaping gaps appear.

The best teams are always looking to improve and none of those will ever look at themselves and say, 'well, it's only one goal against...'. To reiterate an earlier point, it's not about expectation (it's really not), rather the quest for positive consistency and its paramount importance in relation to success.

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in fairness to Shakey, I also think that Deano hasn't looked as assured as he was last year. Whether that means he set himself very high standards last year remains to be seen. It's not that he can't defend all of a sudden, but he has looked a little more unsure in distribution and hasn't been able to give himself as much time on the ball as last year.

Some of this is probably attrituble to a change in formation and tactics, where the golden rule of hump it down the line to the big 'un has changed to give and go with the little 'un

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however ya look at it, the defensive play has been a damn sight meaner n the opening 5 games last season.:confused:

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all im going to say is 1pt is better than no point. unbeaten still.

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Id agree.

Any1 who is critising the defence just needs to take a look at the goals against column.

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First 5 games of last season (FL) lost 4, won 1 = 3 points.... I'll take the start so far!! :rolleyes: :) :)

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Can only assume Puterill is injured, due to his absence? anyone know the score? likely to be back fer Torquay or what?:confused:

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It makes a change reading the forum and discussing team formations and players !
The positive from my point of view is the depth of the squad,at least seven players not playing at present could step up to the first eleven and the team not be effected.
Look at the bench players last year and this year,if the players dont perform they will be warming the bench.
Without boring shakermaker,look at the number of chances created on saturday without both fullbacks bombing on overlaps and leaving quality a championship player to reak havoc if the play breaks down ( look at the goal we conceeded )

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Was told after the game that he was suffering from sciatica, which is probably understandable since he once fractured his spine.

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Think we know now Cashy!

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Yep seems that way, nowt new yon.:rolleyes: