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theresonlyoneaccy 22-10-2010 18:01

Portsmouth going?
 
BBC Sport - Football - Portsmouth 'likely to close down'

Sad times

VALAIRIAN 22-10-2010 18:07

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Very sad for all the true FANs of this club......

lancsdave 22-10-2010 18:07

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we've heard it all before. It's a bit like players saying they want a move then sign a new contract the day after. Football if full of bull ;)

jaysay 22-10-2010 18:11

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 854067)
we've heard it all before. It's a bit like players saying they want a move then sign a new contract the day after. Football if full of bull ;)

I don't know in this case Dave £120 million is a lot of pennies, just remember how much trouble Stanley had in finding £360,000 then multiply it by 360:eek:

lancsdave 22-10-2010 18:12

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 854071)
I don't know in this case Dave £120 million is a lot of pennies, just remember how much trouble Stanley had in finding £360,000 then multiply it by 360:eek:

Just imagine how many businesses they closed down or ripped off on the back of that debt :mad:

jaysay 22-10-2010 18:21

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 854072)
Just imagine how many businesses they closed down or ripped off on the back of that debt :mad:

That's the same with any business that goes to the wall, but if they had kept afloat the creditor may have had a chance of getting something back

lancsdave 22-10-2010 18:32

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 854080)
That's the same with any business that goes to the wall, but if they had kept afloat the creditor may have had a chance of getting something back

Maybe so but how many businesses are allowed to rack up obscene debts like football clubs are. Football needs to be given back to what made it our national sport, the fans. Sadly the money men involved won't miss the club like the fans will :mad:

Grimps 22-10-2010 18:37

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its not us thank god .. but it wont be the last club to go to the wall

jaysay 22-10-2010 18:43

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 854087)
Maybe so but how many businesses are allowed to rack up obscene debts like football clubs are. Football needs to be given back to what made it our national sport, the fans. Sadly the money men involved won't miss the club like the fans will :mad:

Totally agree Dave but no club will refuse outward investment to try and give them that edge, look where Stanley would have been without Ilyas

LongLostSon 22-10-2010 19:47

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lunched at KFC opposite their ground today - thought it a bit quiet - but then again they are up at Hull t'morra.

Pendle Red 22-10-2010 19:48

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 854087)
Maybe so but how many businesses are allowed to rack up obscene debts like football clubs are. Football needs to be given back to what made it our national sport, the fans. Sadly the money men involved won't miss the club like the fans will :mad:

In one sentance Dave you have summed up perfectly what is wrong with our "National Game"

There is a growing swell from fans of even the so called bigger clubs that may change things how much who knows?

Liverpool have been put through the mill, the judderings are happening at United not many Clubs will be imune or remain imune to it, the Premiership & FL to a degree need to take note or it will self implode at different levels.

lancsdave 22-10-2010 20:17

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Of course it's not the only Portsmouth story today;


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Portsmouth defender Herman Hreidarsson has signed a new short-term contract that will keep him at Fratton Park until the end of the season.
The Iceland international, 36, has spent the past seven months recovering from an Achilles injury.
He said: "I am delighted to have signed again for such a great club where I have had a fantastic time."
Hreidarsson was part of the Pompey team that BOUGHT the FA Cup against Cardiff City at Wembley in 2008.
Do you reckon he's getting paid minimum wage ? Don't think so :mad:

st06nc2 22-10-2010 20:35

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3 hours tilll closure hopefully

cashman 22-10-2010 21:09

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Originally Posted by st06nc2 (Post 854134)
3 hours tilll closure hopefully

Spoken like a true fan.............or a child.:rolleyes:

Wynonie Harris 22-10-2010 21:23

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Whatever the misdeeds of those who have run the club, it's always the fans who suffer in the end. I'm sure no true football fan could ever wish the demise of another club.

Chimer 22-10-2010 21:26

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 854072)
Just imagine how many businesses they closed down or ripped off on the back of that debt :mad:

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 854080)
That's the same with any business that goes to the wall, but if they had kept afloat the creditor may have had a chance of getting something back

Before today's shenanigans from Gaydamak, the creditors had "agreed" (HRMC dissenting but not having a big enough share to block) to a 20% payout at some unspecified point in the future. This opened a potential route out of administration but the football authorities still have to be happy - when last asked they were still quibbling.

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Originally Posted by st06nc2 (Post 854134)
3 hours tilll closure hopefully

It would be an enormous blow to the town I live and work in. The fans are mad but truly passionate. I can't understand how any true football fan could make such a comment. Shame on you.

lancsdave 22-10-2010 21:31

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 854152)
Whatever the misdeeds of those who have run the club, it's always the fans who suffer in the end. I'm sure no true football fan could ever wish the demise of another club.


I'd rather not see a club go bust, but I would like to see the football authorities get a grip before ever club goes bust. Of course they won't do that because they feed their fat faces with the same greed as the clubs :rolleyes:

yonmon 22-10-2010 21:38

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Originally Posted by st06nc2 (Post 854134)
3 hours tilll closure hopefully

Assuming that you mistakenly chose the wrong words in this post...I'm willing to give you one more chance to say what you really meant to say !!....otherwise see Cashman's comment!

Wynonie Harris 22-10-2010 21:41

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 854155)
I'd rather not see a club go bust, but I would like to see the football authorities get a grip before ever club goes bust. Of course they won't do that because they feed their fat faces with the same greed as the clubs :rolleyes:

Would agree, Dave, it's just a shame how it's the fans who always seem to suffer in the end, while the fat cats walk away. :(

cmonstanley 22-10-2010 21:41

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probably the last nail in the coffin was the administrators bill:mad:

lancsdave 22-10-2010 21:49

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 854162)
Would agree, Dave, it's just a shame how it's the fans who always seem to suffer in the end, while the fat cats walk away. :(

In Portsmouth's case it's a double whammy for the fans. There own supporters club are one of the creditors to the tune of £300.

lancsdave 22-10-2010 21:50

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 854163)
probably the last nail in the coffin was the administrators bill:mad:


Probably more than the players wages per week :mad:

mab 22-10-2010 22:09

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Originally Posted by st06nc2 (Post 854134)
3 hours tilll closure hopefully

:oEmbarrasment and shamfull!!!:( We as stanley fans no better than anyone else what there supporters are going through at this moment in time!!!!!

ukcowboy 22-10-2010 23:52

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Originally Posted by st06nc2 (Post 854134)
3 hours tilll closure hopefully

Disgusting comment......neg karma on its way :mad::mad::mad:

DaveinGermany 23-10-2010 00:14

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Not pleasant, Stanley supporters are only to well aware of the turmoil in such a case & with such a recent history it is rather to close to home.

VALAIRIAN 23-10-2010 05:02

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 854144)
Spoken like a true fan.............or a child.:rolleyes:

Welcome back my good man!!!!!!! :D Hope all was/is well with you!! :) :)

VALAIRIAN 23-10-2010 05:03

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Nice one, not!!! Above all else, there are true Pompey FANs who support their club!!!!!!

VALAIRIAN 23-10-2010 05:05

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Originally Posted by mab (Post 854188)
:oEmbarrasment and shamfull!!!:( We as stanley fans no better than anyone else what there supporters are going through at this moment in time!!!!!

Well put Mab :)

Pendle Red 23-10-2010 05:47

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I remember going down to MK Dons for the last game of the 2006/07 season when the coach pulled in at the service station and there were various fans from different clubs at the same services including Pompey fans who were on their way to Everton I think.

They were a great bunch travelling in good numbers and took a genuine interest in who we were and Stanley itself trading off songs at each other and having a good chat with quite a few of them before shaking hands and departing to our seperate destinations.

Football fans unified is how it should be:)

Redraine 23-10-2010 07:07

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Originally Posted by st06nc2 (Post 854134)
3 hours tilll closure hopefully

Terrible thing to say. The only possible way to half sympathise with you is if closure would bring the whole rotten modern football structure down too, but pigs might fly. Obscene sums of money paid to unexceptional players is the thing that really gets me going.:(

jaysay 23-10-2010 08:36

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 854152)
Whatever the misdeeds of those who have run the club, it's always the fans who suffer in the end. I'm sure no true football fan could ever wish the demise of another club.

Oh don't know Wyn, ask Mancie about Liverpool:rolleyes:

jaysay 23-10-2010 08:40

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Originally Posted by Chimer (Post 854153)
Before today's shenanigans from Gaydamak, the creditors had "agreed" (HRMC dissenting but not having a big enough share to block) to a 20% payout at some unspecified point in the future. This opened a potential route out of administration but the football authorities still have to be happy - when last asked they were still quibbling.



It would be an enormous blow to the town I live and work in. The fans are mad but truly passionate. I can't understand how any true football fan could make such a comment. Shame on you.

What the hell are you talking about, I have read anything on here which comes anything like what you have evidently read into comments, take your head out of your backside for Gods sake

MikeA 23-10-2010 08:58

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 854292)
What the hell are you talking about, I have read anything on here which comes anything like what you have evidently read into comments, take your head out of your backside for Gods sake

:confused: Sorry but I don't understand this comment. All Chimer is doing is adding a bit of background information about the situation at Pompey. What reason is there to have a go at him?

The statement on the club's own site makes interesting reading and ties in with what Chimer says: Portsmouth Football Club | News

Kiwi John 23-10-2010 09:25

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Well, after having been fortunate enough to have had a trial with Pompey way back in '75 (my room mate was a bloke called Chris Kamara), I would be saddened BIG TIME should they fall over. Hope they survive.

st06nc2 23-10-2010 09:32

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yeah it will be sad to see them go but its there fault

jaysay 23-10-2010 10:02

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Originally Posted by MikeA (Post 854301)
:confused: Sorry but I don't understand this comment. All Chimer is doing is adding a bit of background information about the situation at Pompey. What reason is there to have a go at him?

The statement on the club's own site makes interesting reading and ties in with what Chimer says: Portsmouth Football Club | News

Sorry Mike, but read his post, he was having a pop at lancsdave stO6nc2 and myself, for no good reason, we were only pointing out that lots of small companies had lost lots of money when pompy went bump, and he said shame on you naming the three of us, for what reason god only knows:mad:

Wynonie Harris 23-10-2010 10:24

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 854329)
Sorry Mike, but read his post, he was having a pop at lancsdave stO6nc2 and myself, for no good reason, we were only pointing out that lots of small companies had lost lots of money when pompy went bump, and he said shame on you naming the three of us, for what reason god only knows:mad:

Think you've totally misread his post, Jay. He posted a comment explaining some of the financial stuff behind the situation which was relevant to yours and Dave's quotes. He then posted an entirely separate comment after st06nc2's quote which was entirely directed at him...and quite rightly so.

jaysay 23-10-2010 10:32

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 854342)
Think you've totally misread his post, Jay. He posted a comment explaining some of the financial stuff behind the situation which was relevant to yours and Dave's quotes. He then posted an entirely separate comment after st06nc2's quote which was entirely directed at him...and quite rightly so.

Now I've been and looked again Wyn, I see your point, apologies Mike I endorse what you said in your last paragraph

lancsdave 23-10-2010 11:00

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 854091)
Totally agree Dave but no club will refuse outward investment to try and give them that edge, look where Stanley would have been without Ilyas

I'm not convinced of this argument.

Outward investment to give them the edge ? You mean throwing money at something to buy a title or in Pompey's case the FA Cup.

Ilyas saved the club as a result of rank bad financial management. He hasn't thrown money at it to buy success, nor would I imagine he will do. As he has said before it has to get to the point of self sufficiency. Maybe if the big clubs stop spending beyond their means the little clubs might have a more level playing field to compete and achieve that self sufficency.

They should wage cap the whole system.

jaysay 23-10-2010 13:56

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 854371)
I'm not convinced of this argument.

Outward investment to give them the edge ? You mean throwing money at something to buy a title or in Pompey's case the FA Cup.

Ilyas saved the club as a result of rank bad financial management. He hasn't thrown money at it to buy success, nor would I imagine he will do. As he has said before it has to get to the point of self sufficiency. Maybe if the big clubs stop spending beyond their means the little clubs might have a more level playing field to compete and achieve that self sufficiency.

They should wage cap the whole system.

You don't buy the title of anything in football for that matter, if it was the case, why have clubs like Newcastle Liverpool Leeds, Villa, Spurs nt won it, I'll admit you need the cash, but you also need the right bloke at the help, who buys the right players then blends them into a winning team, United have done it very successfully as have Chelsea, The Gunners haven't won a bean for 5 seasons, the only thing Liverpool have won of note in 20 years is the Champs League. A wage cap won't work, hasn't got a snowball in hells chance, aka Rooney £65 million or 5 years work and he could probably have got more at city

jaysay 23-10-2010 13:58

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Just come on Sky Soccer Saturday that Portsmouth will be safe by Monday a their previous owner has agreed a deal, that's great news for Pompey fans

lancsdave 23-10-2010 14:02

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 854410)
Just come on Sky Soccer Saturday that Portsmouth will be safe by Monday a their previous owner has agreed a deal, that's great news for Pompey fans


What a suprise :rolleyes:

yerself 23-10-2010 16:45

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Originally Posted by jaysay
you don't buy the title of anything in football for that matter,

1995.;)

jaysay 24-10-2010 09:15

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 854498)
1995.;)

You jest me, Rovers would have won nout without Ray Harford, Kenny and Tony Parks, together with Jack Walkers cash. You actually think United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool ect would have won everything with all home grown players, at least Jack Walkers was a genuine Rovers fan standing on the terraces when he was a lad, not some rich Yank or Russian wanting a toy train set


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