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Hi all
I have bad news :mad:
FROM FISHY SITE:
No commentary for the foreseeable future
Due to Football League regulations preventing clubs from broadcasting their games for free, Accrington Stanley's matchday commentary service is suspended from today.

The League contacted the club this week to inform us of the rule and tell us to stop broadcasting immediately.

We apologise to all supporters who have come to rely on the commentaries and hope to have more news on a revised service soon.

I can't say much about this other than that what it says above, other than Rob Heys, myself and the team at 2BR have worked really hard to get this service up and running, only to be told that the club isn't permitted to make the decision to give it to supporters for free.

I hope that the service can be revived, but that's going to be down to you guys. The only way we'll be able to reinstate it will be through a subscription service (which will mean completely redesigning the interface)

I'd like to hear from as many of you as possible (via email - [email protected]) about what you think of a subscription service and how much you'd be willing to pay.

It's fair to say that I'm a very unhappy chappy today...

For today's game (and at least the next couple) we'll have a text update service on the fishy site and at Accrington Stanley (ASFCofficial) on Twitter

Sorry!
Dan

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Now that is a bummer. :( Liked to listen online as I cant get to many games. As for subscripition it will be a case of trying to find a balance that suits all inc the jackets at the Football League HQ. I for one would be willing to pay esp if the club also benefits.

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Really is a blow that looked forward to Saturday afternoon commentries suppose it's just the FL being anal & whining because they're not getting any bungs ! So much for the sport being for everyone effin Cocks!

As to subscription, well couldn't that be included in the price of joining the OSC (theoretically you're paying for a service & the radio relay could be part of the service :)) Plus it'd possibly increase membership

To ensure that only those who've "paid" (to stop the winkers of the FL bitchin') receive said service entry of name & membership number/password could be the entry key. Just my thoughts on this particular issue. (those concerning the FL are somewhat darker & more offensive)

Incidentally should any of the Muppets from the FL choose to read this, all the above points & venom are mine towards you clowns so don't go getting on the back of those who run the forum/site,take it up with me !

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Don't bloody believe it - why today? Nooooo sods law I'm in sodding Yorkshire an all!

Really peed off blinking typical :mad: :mad:

Hate FL and their stupid interference Grrrr! Furious aint the word, thanks Stanley, dan and 2br for trying and being good to us over the past few months.

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What a load of crap

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Money money money FL robbing sods! Least Stanley were doing service to their fans - not everything has a price tag on it. FL ripping the heart out of football for quids is so Scrooge like, thing decisions to charge fans should be upto the clubs - not FL!!!!!!!

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the F.L. n F.A. have always been a bunch of complete *******, tis a great service fer ex-pats n folk that live well away, plus all who cannot do away games etc, so whilst disappointed i aint surprised.:rolleyes:

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Dan, I'm gutted for ya mate, I know how much hard work sorting all this out has been for you. It may be a wise course of action to ask the FA if they have a minimum charge that they implement regard these things, if not then its open to us to negotiate a deal with you guys and the club. I think most other clubs charge approximately £5.99 a month for their webiste extras subscription, but that includes things like exclusive player, management and staff video interviews and the like. I would be willing to pay for the commentary's and I think Daves idea of a link through the supporters club is a good one.

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you couldn't do it via the OSC as they want a cut of the fee I think. Absolute ******* and no need for it - time to make a stand I think

ps - I blame O'Neil

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Well we all know the FA couldn't run a Pee up at a brewery:(

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a Great Shame after all the hard work that has gone into it

I suppose the Club would have to look at what the FL or whoever would need for the service to continue in terms of monetary value if that's how it works?

Then work out a way to make it affordable, either as a monthly or yearly subscription service with other formats e.g. as has been said with regard player/manager interviews & exclusives and possibly a new look website.

Maybe it is something that could be looked to link in with the Bigger Concept when we reach that point as part of any membership?;)

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Don't quite follow, sorry. So the FL take a cut of whatever monies are raised by supporters club membership ? I was under the impression the OSC was a totally separate entity, run by fans for fans with no interference or for that matter support monetary or otherwise from the FL/FA !

I was also under the understanding that the ASFC OSC, may well be covered under the umbrella of FL/FA Supporters clubs, but it was purely a point of reference & as such has no legal bearing or jurisdiction over the individual clubs "Supporters clubs".

Could someone please clarify this situation, for myself & I assume some confused others.

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Really sorry for us all Dan, and just exemplifies what a bunch of misguided and blinkered bunch of ******* the FA are and how totally out of touch they are with REAL FOOTBALL fans. And thick scouse scumbag Rooney can be pictured in every crap tabloid earning £250,000 a week without working, yet us mere mortals are not able to listen to OUR team without paying quite frankly disgusts me.

sorry for this rant but it has seriously peed me off and shown once again how much i hate,despise etc everything that goes by the governing bodies of our game. A bunch of fat useless nobodies that have never kicked a ball in their lives

By the way Dan thanks for all of your efforts they have been mightily appreciated and enjoyed

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so can we take it yer upset nige?:D

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What a load of crap! A right slap in the face for Dan & all who have worked to get the service up & running - have really enjoyed listening to the commentaries from away games, if the club is happy for the commentaries to go ahead why the hell should the FL object, surely it should be a matter for the club to decide. :(
ps - don't worry SM, if you must go to Yorkshire I'll keep you up to date with texts, I know it's not the same but at least you'll know what's going on at the Crown :)

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Cheers Accymad :D :D

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The OSC is an independent of likewise Stanley fans - will be a point of discussion at the next meeting no doubt :)

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just to clarify what i meant as it reads back badly! Not the OSC would want a cut of it - the FL would want a cut of any monies raised that had owt to do with the radio braodcast. Therefore if the (current) £5 included radio broadcasts then the FL would want their percentage of the £5

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Thanks Macca I had a couple of re-reads & figured that you were meaning the FL & not OSC, but thanks for responding & clarifying.

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Maybe I am a bit thick but why would the FL want a cut? Should any % cut be for the clubs involved in the broadcast match?

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rupert murdoch started all this crap boycott sky and all news international.

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perhaps cos there greedy useless *******.........hope that explains.:D

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OK then, if the FL require a cut/% of the membership (including radio broadcasts), drop the Membership fee ! :D Then all those Ex-members once a year buy say a ..... Stanley Start of season/end of season one off magazine for say .... A Fiver (sound about right so far ;)).

Included in the mag would be interviews, team poster, news & info, a voucher for in store use or at the chippy & perhaps some kind of .... collectors card for whatever the season is which states your proud allegiance to Stanley & that you've bought their magazine in support of this fine traditional Club. (if you must call it a supporters club card for want of a better word well so be it.:))

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Folks as disappointed as U are; points to bear in mind

Nothing to do do with the FA ( Football Association)

The way I'm reading this the Football League (the League in which ASFC have a Golden Share and play 46 games a year) are our paymasters and guiders.

The amout of cash we get from them is Superb and the benefits are as good.

Whilst this decisions is disappointing, lets please look at the bigger picture:)

Upwards and onwards!! ( if we rejoin the Unibond, sorry Evostick, this service would be OK!!!)

I know where I'm proud to be:cool:

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Ok taking into the account the points made by Mr T n DiG then what is needed is a set of talks between the club B2R and the FL. If the FL wants to broaden the appeal of clubs then this might be the way forward. Buy a season ticket for the matches which the 3 parties involved agree on and it can be coded in the same way a pay per view program film etc is on tv. The cost would have to be such that no one is out of pocket as a priority. There should be the same kind of set up for those that attend home matches to buy an away only ticket.

It will be a legal mine field for part of it but if for arguments sake it was in place for next season who would buy into it? I say next season so that it could have all the wrinkles out of the way. I do not know how much hassle it would be but if it can be done then our little big club could start something that will be picked up by other clubs. Many supporters of many teams cannot make matches but still want the "afternoon buzz" when their side plays. The net is a perfect platform to broaden a clubs appeal the same way as Sky was for the premiership clubs.

I say embrace it push it forward and give us what we want. :jimbo:

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A quick trawl round most PL & FL League Clubs will reveal that most of these services include live audio commentary, player interviews, exclusive news, extended match highlights via each Clubs player.

There seems to be a set fee either monthly or yearly for these services and then the question would be who runs the media side of things for the Club?

It is a big question does the Club give up some of it's individuality with it's own website and other things to pursue a different route?

I suppose the other thing that may come into play is numbers who would actually use such a service or pay for such a service would it make it economically viable?

Could possibly advertisements or sponsorship come into play to help pay for such a venture?

As Mr. T correctly points out we are also members of an elite group of football Clubs that are members of the Football League something that took us forty four years to achieve and to those ends we may feel hard done by the descision but the FL do have all the members interest's at it's heart.

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ive been watching football since 1954, am yet to be convinced of that.:eek:

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Possibly sponsorship is the way forward.

todays football seems to have a nevermind the customers/charge for everything attitude. I wonder if the FL would allow sponsorship of the commentary. This could be yearly/per season/monthly/per match whichever works. A regular sponsor advert/message during the commentary. The FL could have their cut. The club could have a cut. The people that really matter could have their commentary back.

We must be the only Football League Club that does not have radio coverage for a game.

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You may be onto something there, is the way round it actual live broadcasing by the local radio station or would that have to operate in the same way?

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I think 2BR have always had the choice of covering the games but commercially I don't think they found it viable

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I used to listen to away games on 2BR but they took that away. I can`t see them back-tracking. The same way works for me, but is not necessarily available to everybody. Not every body goes on the internet.

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There has to be ways to do it that satisfies all with minimal costs. I cant believe in this day and age we struggle to get a match broadcast that has the potential to be world wide.

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100% agree, see me comment in The Person Beneath Me.;)

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Stanley could always sell our soul to the "player" option but i have no idea how this works or the financial consequences to the club and also to us fans?

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I don't think you want to go down that route. I'm sure I've heard that if you don't hit a certain target the club will have to make up the shortfall for the costs. The 'player' thing is something that has evolved through the 'licensed' website situation that you see most clubs have ( I think 82 clubs are under that system ). They are so tied in they can't get themselves out without massive financial penalties.

For anyone interested the rule covering audio broadcasting is rule 70.1 of the football league regualtions.
The Football League | About Us | Regulations | Regulations Detail | SECTION 7: BROADCASTING & SPONSORSHIP

Whilst it tells you the rule it doesn't mention how each club can sell ( or the cost involved ) a licence for local radio to broadcast. There must be something because 2BR have done it in the past with Stanley and Burnley.

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cheers dave if ya read the club info on stanley on the F.L. it demonstrates how incompetent the F.L. is.....as i said before *******. :rolleyes:

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I think everybody has missed the obvious. Whilst I can understand everyone's dismay at the way the league tie up the clubs, the club have yet again either been ignorant of a league rule or chosen to ignore it. Hopefully the league are satisfied the service has stopped and and take no further action........... or will they ?

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had crossed me mind, but i settled fer ignorant of the rule, if past historys owt to go off.;)

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And very recent history shows the authorities don't take ignorance as an excuse ;)

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it aint n excuse, but god loves a trier.:D

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Read the blurb about broadcasts, but it only states permission is required, no mention of costs or limitations.

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In which case it would just be a case of the club asking permission. Hard to imagine the FL not wanting some sort of blood money though

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Aye they'd probably want something, but if you read further on 71.1 the FL pays the PFA an agreed amount for television appearances(I would assume this also covers other media), this is set & fixed so has no real bearing.

There's also some guff about contracts & suchlike, still from what I can see the club hadn't entered into a contract with 2BR so weren't in any violation of broadcasting rights controlled by the FL board.

But we are talking the murky waters of Boardrooms & Associations who do tend to want their pound of flesh.

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It's the same price at Burnley. The common factor is both they and Chesterfield use the standard league website setup. I don't know if the 'player' system is a bolt on arranged through the league, if so could or even would Stanley want to move to this system ?

I have heard Mr T make reference to this system before so we might need him to enlighten us on the ins and outs of the common website situation. Pretty sure he has said it's very costly and you're tied in for years.

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Please god don't let the Stanley site turn into the ****e 99% of the rest of the F.L have.

If we need to pay and there is no limit why not just do a £0.01 a year subscription ?

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Stanley will go to the "player" system over my dead body...

We'll find a way of sorting this out... ;)

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just thinking ... the football league says we have to pay for a 'live commentary' .... what about a time delayed one ... like from 5 mins after kick off ... ok .. im sneaky ...