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Howdy
One change for Stanley - Richardson out and McConville back in.

Stanley: Cisak, Winnard, Edwards, Smyth, Hessey, Barnett, Joyce, Ryan, Parkinson, McConville, Gornell.
Subs: Dunbavin, Long, Lindfield, Richardson, Turner, Murphy, Boulding

I'll be doing a live text updates thing here: Accrington Stanley (ASFCofficial) on Twitter
and bobbing in and out of here trying not to feel like a spare part!!!!

Dan

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Should confuse the hell out of some people that Turner is a sub, when he was red-carded the other night :D


Another of the complex rules the FA like to justify thier existence with :rolleyes:

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Tell me about it Dave - even Coley wasn't sure whether he'd be available after the game on Wednesday!

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Thanks for that Dan - any idea why the football league numpties are blocking comentaries ? Do they get a kick-back based on attendance and are worrying that folks able to attend will only listen ? I might have lived down south for 60 years but like a stick of rock I'm Accrington Stanley till the last bite and your comentaries are highly valued.

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I'm fairly sure if he had only 2 yellows instead of a straight red he would have only been banned for a reserve game.

For those confused, sending off's in a reserve game take effect 14 days after the sending off, not immediatley as with a first team game :confused::confused:

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3: Stanley 0 Cheltenham 1 - Brian Smikle put through by Jeff Goulding and slides the ball between Alex Cisak's legs. Stanley are behind

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11: Stanley have tried to respond to going behind - Winnard, Gornell and Hessey all with half chances but the dangerous Smikle has also hit the side netting at the other end.

The visitors have started well

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I allowed them one goal in my forecast, didn't expect it that quick

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2 chuffin nil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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18: Stanley 0 Cheltenham 2 - long ball from the back falls for Jeff Goulding who calmly slots beyond Cisak.

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Stanley now at 16th :(

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Oh well......

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Northampton 1 : 1 Gillingham

Stanley up at 15th

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Sounds like Yates has done his homework :(

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28: stanley goal disallowed for offside - Gornell flicked in Barnett's low cross, but it won't count

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Seems like another disappointing display from the defence, come on get a grip at the back !

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God this is bad

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Macclesfield 1 : 0 Burton Albion

Stanley back to 16th

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Just got twice as bad for me :(

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A long day at the Crown? I hope they buck up their ideas when they come down south!!

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That's half time.

Oh dear.

Listen very carefully and I reckon you'll hear Coley's half time talk... I mean bellow

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Really disappointed to hear about the commentaries Dan. Looked forward to them most Saturdays. Wonder if the Football League have given a reason.

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So Halloween's come early to the crown as they're having a right nightmare !

Half times :-

* Accrington 0-2 Cheltenham
* Aldershot 1-1 Bury
* Bradford 0-0 Oxford Utd
* Macclesfield 1-0 Burton Albion
* Northampton 2-1 Gillingham
* Port Vale 1-0 Crewe
* Shrewsbury 2-0 Barnet
* Southend 1-0 Rotherham
* Stevenage 0-0 Chesterfield
* Stockport 0-2 Hereford
* Torquay 1-1 Morecambe
* Wycombe 2-1 Lincoln City

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...at 0-2 I 'm glad I missed the first half... Really peed off about the commentaries Dan...

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Appreciate all commiserations about the commentaries - those of you unsure of what's going on may find some clarification on the commentary thread elsewhere on this board.

Meantime, the teams are back out at the Crown.

This is going to have to be some comeback...

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Sounds like a right mare glad I ain't there witnessing it :(

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Effectively the football league licence out the broadcasting rights from any of their matches, it's one of the reasons Stanley get a pot of money off them each season.

Presumably they have a set fee for anybody using that licence.

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You lot still on daylight saving, cause I thought that had finished going by the 'Posting times' on the threads vs our time..?

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51: Stanley 1 Cheltenham 2 - McConville crosses from the right and Terry Gornellvolleys it low into the right corner of the net. Comeback on?

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52: Turner replaces Parkinson

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Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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Come on Stanley !

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Stanley 17th

Bradford 2 : 0 Oxford

Macclesfield 2 : 0 Burton

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Come on you REDS

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I am still here by the way. Not a lot to report though. A few long shots from Turner.

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71: Lindfield on for Barnett

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Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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73: Stanley 1 Cheltenham 3 - Smikle threads in Goulding who beats the offside trap and strokes it home.

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Dan..Hows the ref performing?

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Atrocious, from one of the tightest defences to this ???

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1-4 now. Good goal. Not much consolation though!

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I reckon someone will blame the change of GKs...

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:mad::mad: where's my bed...:mad:

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Keeper can't do much if the defence is like a Swiss Cheese !

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What the heck Is going on with Stanley ???? :(

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Oh look,, there's a trap door..:(

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(Muted "Yeaaaaaaaa" 2-4 )

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Computer crashed!
Good pen from Edwards, but too little too late

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Stockport 0 : 4 Hereford who're next to last in the table :confused:

Another poor performance from defence costing vital points & with way to many draws this is going to come back & bite them at the end of the season. :(

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All over

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Disappointing....

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could use other words KJ

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from what I saw;

believe it or not Stanley were the better side today. Or did Cheltenham just allow us to stroke it about?

Cisak never made a save, nor did they miss anything. I await the official stats but practrically every attempt they had went in. The big galoot up front for them (10?) did next to nowt but what he did do, undo us every time. We conceded a silly amount of goals in a few games but replaced a goalkeeper who everyhbody seemed to think was blameless for another who is less experienced. We are still conceding so the blame is either with the defenders or the midfield for not protecting.

IMHO the midfield are next to blameless as todays goals at leaszt were the result or threaded balls either over or between defenders. This seems to be a common problem, either we learn to attack the ball properly when its in the air, or we learn to stand off and defend. At the moment we are doing neither.

Up front. We have nowt. None of the strikers available to us are capable of playing the one up front game, so drop it. Let's have a look and see if any combination of Gornell (rated by most) and Boulding, McConville or Lindfield in some sort of effective combination in a more orthodox 4-4-2.

Jimmy Ryan - every time I see this lad play I feel sorry for him. He is by far and away too good for us. He has 100% effort, 100% application. He plays the right way and tries to thread balls through to players that can't read the pass. He tackles, he wins the ball , he wants to shoot (and can) but players aren't pulling defenders away to make the room for him to have a go.

I've got more say but I won't

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I agree the point you make about Jimmy Ryan. We rely on him far to much. Also how did a defender get the man of the match award today.

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gotta horrible feeling our much vaunted reds will be needing a parachute (table-wise) come next Sat night.

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a truly dreadful game from Stanley easily the worst performance of the season

lack of any bite, sadly lacking of ideas, a real loss of form but for the odd one or two players showing a bit of character & tenacity it could have been a worse scoreline.

Cheltenham did their homework, very direct but far more effective they had a gameplan and it worked time & time again, at times we contributed to our own downfall with wayward passing & distribution, space for the Chelts players to run into and Jimmy Ryan once again spinning to find space only to then have to checkback to find a pass to one of his own players?

I would take ninety minutes of hoofball if it meant a win at the moment because points breed confidence

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Once again we were undone by a side who were at least 3 inches taller per man than us. They must have had at least 5 players over 6ft 3in throughout the side against our mostly midgets. I know a good little 'un is as good as a good big 'un (see Jimmy Ryan) but the difference in physique, week in, week out, is very noticeable. I can't see how Coley can possibly start at Chesterfield with 2 such small, ineffective wingers as we did today. Neither of them won a single 50/50 challenge or beat their man EVER. Hopefully Ray Putterill will be back to give us some much needed power up front. I know Winnard had one of his more decent games today, but how anyone could look past Jimmy for man of the match is beyond me. Time after time he emerged with the ball under control through 3 or 4 tackles to get us going. Magic. If the coach doesn't run to Chesterfield I'm seriously thinking of going on strike if it seems likely we start with the two aforementioned players again.

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how does a side that concede zero in first 4 league games, start conceding a cart load? to my mind by hoofing the ball, instead of passing too feet, very poor today defensively, agree wi bernard dawson how a defender got MoM today defies logic.:confused: the reds did not play well, but fer me still created more chances than cheltenham, revert to 4-4-2, as rob says, cos we aint the men to play 1 up. imho. just hope today was "Lesson Learnt" fer em.:(

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Abysmal. Think Coley summed it up well here: ASFC News Story > 3656

I understand that when things go wrong, sometimes you have to go more direct to get a little back. However, how did our lads not realise when punting the ball up in the air that their players were bigger than ours! Idiocy.

Thought Cisak was awful. Should've done better for the first goal, allowed far too much time for the opposition to regroup, and the one time he attempted a quick counter-attack his throw went out for a throw-in. Ridiculous.

Hess = Mess.

We didn't deserve anything out of that game and 2-4 flatters us. Cheltenham weren't a good footballing side at all; they parked the bus for 70 minutes and timewasted at any given opportunity. But that's not a bad thing at this level. They capitalised on what we gave them and they've gone away with the easiest 2-4 win they'll ever have. Goon on them. How a good proportion of their players weren't booked for timewasting though is beyond me.

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Well massively dissapointed and we were lucky not to get smashed by more.

Ryan, Gornell and Turner (once he got switched to his proper position) the only players that came out of today with any credit.

Without doubt the worst performance of the season.

As Coley has said, defensively all over the place.

Think its unfair to blame Cisak, he didnt have a chance with any of the goals and was brilliant at Hereford last Saturday so warranted his place today, however can see Bavs coming in again on Tuesday.

Fingers crossed Chesterfield away on Tuesday night we can revert to the team from the start of the season.

Welcome back Bateson, Proccy and Puterill in my opinion.

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I thought Luke Joyce had a good game. He deserves to start the next one after his performance today.

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It was Macca, not Terry, it was a really cheeky back heel type flick, which was onside and was a goal!!! Liner = ******!!!!! But, not as bad as ref!!!!!

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Spot on about Jimmy Macca, cannot see him being at Stanley on Valantines day!!!!!! :( :( :(

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Me neither, he's running the show every game.

Fingers crossed we can keep him till the end of the season at least :(

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Would love to see 4 4 2 from the start not when we are getting beat. Why not start with an attacking side. Use the wings and run at sides and play the players in their best positions. Jimmy again my mom today, how any defender could have got the accolade beats me a real poor defensive display by all. We have a real toughie on Tuesday so lets hope Coleman gets it right.

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Today, we were devoid of drive, passion, leadership, direction, fight and ideas!!! Apart from The Brazilian, we looked below average Sunday League..... Hess, looked like a fish out of water at LB, Smyth just is not up to it I am afraid - he is only a kid, Mr. Consistant is struggling to keep it up at the moment, Macca/Joyce/Parky, just not at the races. I was pleased to see Chris coming on with more than 5 mins to play, but I hate to say, he was not much better than the rest.

I cannot believe how much we have missed Proc and Bateson, Thank goodness that along with Putters, they will be available next game. We have to stop the rot and get some points on the board!!!!!

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I would question the value of playing a full strength team against Bolton reserves on Wednesday night. Cheltenham looked a yard sharper all over the pitch having had a full week without a match and several Stanley players put in very tired performances.

Too often Stanley players were just "shrugged" off the ball by more determined, stronger and frankly fitter opposition.

Tuesdays match with Chesterfield is a bit too soon for my liking, i just hope they go into the game with a bit of complacency and Stanley can take advantage. I expect to see at least 3 fresh players back in the line up following their enforced rests. What i wouldn't give for a 0-0 draw!!

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[quote=Larry Lobster;856902]I would question the value of playing a full strength team against Bolton reserves on Wednesday night. Cheltenham looked a yard sharper all over the pitch having had a full week without a match and several Stanley players put in very tired performances.

Too often Stanley players were just "shrugged" off the ball by more determined, stronger and frankly fitter opposition.

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Spot on there, oh Red One!

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ive never been convinced wi that argument Larry, players are supposed to be fitter now than ever,according to the experts? they used to play more games back when they weren't! 3 at easter,4 oer xmas, plus more games per season. so how does that work out? fer my money they played the wrong game, larruping the ball upfield to the Cheltenham defense who won virtually every ball, being big lads against garden gnomes, early season was much more balls to feet, which suits our lads imho.

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I thought the overall performance was very poor today, it all seemed to stem from a lack of communication at the back. Cisak was very poor in his decision making today which was summed up best when threw the ball out to Chris and it went out for a throw in. I was surprised that Kevin Long didn't start at the back at least not just for his height and I think playing Leam Richardson at full back would've probably helped us with the link up play to the midfield.

Our main strength comes from when we retain possession and pass the ball with patience and accuracy. This was completely missing today, too many times we hoofed the ball up front and never won the balls in midfield. There were a good few kicks done by Cisak that went straight to their goalkeeper and there were very few roaming runs by the full backs or any link up play with the wingers. I thought that Chris Turner put in two very good crosses that were begging to be put away, he did more in 40 minutes than Sean did for 90 minutes. In my eyes I think it is criminal that he hasn't been given a start this season, how can anyone make an impact on a game when he is only given 15 minutes here and there?

I also find it strange that Bavs has been dropped, he has been in the form of his life this season and has done very little wrong. I think we have certainly missed Bateson especially for his roaming runs and his link up play with the midfield. I think it is critical that we get some sort of result at Chesterfield otherwise I fear our promotion bid will well and truly go out of the window.

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We should have also been chasing balls down much quicker and playing a faster tempo, this is another of our strengths that we didn't adhere to today.

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Pretty dismal today. Left before final whistle for the first time in a long while.
First time I've seen Cisak and can't agree with Macca (Cisak never made a save - post 53). He made a fantastic save from free kick in first half when 2-0 down tipping thunderbolt over bar ( you must have gone to the john) . At that stage if we'd gone three down it would have been game over. He also made a couple of decent stops 2nd half. Don't think the keeper was 'awful' Shaker, he's got his kicking and throwing to sort out but let's remember this is only his second full game - give the guy a chance. After all, Bavs has had about two years to come good. Keeper was badly let down by defence today, first two goals Hessey well exposed at LB. Thought Smyth did ok without being spectacular and so was Winnard.
Where has the passing game gone with ball players like Barnett, Ryan and Joyce in midfield ? Why lump it forward to shortasses like Parkinson and McConville against six footers ? Me no follow.
Five stars to Jimmy Ryan for his effort , class and determination ...hope he gets some help from Putterill in next game

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Sorry BDC. Cannot agree about Chris Turner. Those of us who don't see him through tinted glasses were watching closely after he came on and, believe it or not, his first NINE passes went to blue shirts. It was only when he moved out to the right (where he could do less damage, maybe) that he started to release the ball with any accuracy. I really don't think he's the answer.

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Maybe you have answered your own question in a way Oldgobbin in that you play people in their natural position?

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I agree with BDC. Ok, his first few minutes were abysmal, but in his natural position raiding down the right he poses a real threat. He takes people on, is hard to dispossess and is not afraid to put his foot in, unlike another winger I could mention.

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Agree with those comments Cashy, also Hess just did not look comfortable at LB and the first 2 came down that side!!

Jimmy was all over the pitch, so I do not agree with the fitness thing, we are too small - man for man and I cannot believe what I have just heard on the Footy League show, describing Stanley "As a Team that can be physical and direct!!" :confused: :confused:

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The only bright spot is we do have players coming back into the squad and a Cup game looming against the Latics so players will be out to impress to keep hold of their starting berths.

But defend and play like we did yesterday against the Spireites on Tuesday night and it will be a cricket score.:eek:

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I think we all know Chris is a major threat in his proper postion on the right hand side. He did look a fish out of water on the left which wasnt surprising.

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Travelled up for the match yesterday hoping to see the team that has done reasonably well upto now,unfortunately it appeared that the wrong team turned up on the day.Probably only Jimmy Ryan can walk way with any credit after a bad day at the office,maybe it was my imagination but John Coleman just didn't seem to have any enthusiam for the game and spent most of the match leant against the wall.Jimmy Bell did most of the motivational stuff from the technical area,Accy were a lot better before the management team signed new contracts.So whats gone wrong,from a strong start to the season to yesterday when they looked like a team heading into a relegation battle.Can't blame problems in the boardroom because that didn't seem to affect the team at the start of the season,the problems need to be ironed out before things go from bad to worse.Players playing out of position,wrong substitutions etc,i know it's only early season yet but the middle of the season will be upon us before we know it,i hope they can turn things around before it's too late.Judging on yesterdays performance it's going to be a long hard season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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rather embarrssing performance yesterday, the lads can do better, we all know this, just hope it was a blip. Lets put it behind us, look forward and take Oldham to the cleaners.

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Disagree with Olgoblin too i certainly didnt see nine passes going astray. Once he got into the game did you fail to see the two great balls put into the box which should have been converted to goals. Looking for someone to blame look at the defence on this occasion. Play players out of position and you dont get their best performance.

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Sorry New Red, but the guy standing behind me actually counted them out loud to his mates - and, unfortunately, he was right!! Besides, if ChrisTurner is capable of playing at this level, he should be capable of putting in a shift in ANY midfield or attacking area, except maybe that of central target man. (Look at Jimmy Ryan if you don't believe me.) Also... if you read my post, you would see that I was not singling out Turner for blame, but merely suggesting that he may not be the all-conquering messiah that lots of people seem to think he is.

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How do I see him through tinted glasses? I think your post is suggesting that your opinion is somehow more valid than mine. If you read my post I suggested that Chris put in two very good crosses, one of which should have been put into the back of the net by Lindfield. If he has created two chances like that in the forty minutes he was on the pitch then in my eyes that is doing more than Sean did for ninety minutes. If wingers are judged off end product then Chris ticked this box yesterday. I do not think Chris is the messiah but I do think he should be given a fair chance to prove whether he is good enough or not.

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I was as disappointed as the rest of you yesterday!! :mad:and very frustrated!! :confused:
Earlier in the season we conceded very little with this defence;
Dunbavin
Bateson Edwards Hessey Winnard

Also Coley had to change it around because of suspension to Bateson and he has also tried out one or two new lads - Long looks promising although we need to see him on the pitch for longer. Smith seems to me, on yesterdays evidence, to be poor with positioning and also lacking recovery speed. I know it is early days for the youngster but for the first two goals Smith seemed to be nowhere near his opponent who just strolled through unchallenged. Hessey seemed hesitant at left back too.:(

Even though I was in the Clayton end I feel the disallowed goal was valid.:dflam:
The assistant referee was flagging for offside just TWO yards from the goal line which is where the ball was flicked in cleverly by the scorer, (was it Ryan or Gornell?) However when the ball was crossed in from the right side in front of the assistant referee the "scorer" was moving in towards goal dynamically from outside the six yard box and was not offside at the time the ball was released. Had that "goal" been allowed the course of the game could well have changed dramatically as Stanley were having their best spell in the match.
The referee was so inconsistent with free kicks, sometimes indicating a circular motion with his hands, (The man got the ball!!), and playing on in exactly the same situations. Just be consitent Refs!!:dflam:

I think we should revert to the above defence on Tuesday, Procter should bring back some strength and order to to the midfield. Like others, I too think we are "lightweight" up front, so I would like to revert to a 4 4 2 shape but I would include two wingers with instructions to take on their full backs with the intention to get to the goal line and pull the ball back for our forwards and midfield boys to run on to. This tactic reduces the need for height in our forwards and also has the effect of taking the opposing keeper out of the play. Think of the flying wingers who played so effectively for us like this over the last fifteen years or so; Grimmy and Hoskins - Rory, Russell and Deano !! :):):jimbo:
It is also the most entrtaining formation and style of play too. I think it is worth a try with both Turner and Mc Conville in this type of system.

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Didnt go the game yesterday,but the result didnt suprise me,i went to the bolton game and if you read my post the signs were there,Can somebody explain to me why owens has not had a run out ( hows he played in reserves ? ) hes 6-3 good in the air,comfortable on the ball,and left footed,is he injured.

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Probably cos they were all poor, by the standard they set early season?;) agree about parky though.

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been working away for a while and have been in touch by the radio, not looking to good at the min, how have the lads been performing minus the results.

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