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strange how things pan out Accrington college will be 'Real deal' for football (From Lancashire Telegraph)

How good would it be for the Club to have links to that:)

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It would make sense - ????? - for that to become our training base, links to community and all that stuff.... But what do I know??

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Depends if it's free

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Should cut both ways, back scratching and all that!!!!!!

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Back scratching BOTH ways ? Okay then :rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Where would they put it:rolleyes:

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hows ground work doing any up date ?or photos

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As you are one of the people that does plenty of work around The Crown, I think that we should be asking you!!!!!!!!!!

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He WAS one of the people who did plenty of work around the Crown. I think he has now become as thoroughly disillusioned as the rest of us!

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i could have had it all dun 1 year ago. give people at club number to ring no one did thats why i give up. stand could have been dun with all stuff in it . none of this bit here bit there . bull . :dflam::dflam::dflam::dflam::dflam::dflam:

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Perhaps the funds didn't stretch to a phone call Grimps?:rolleyes:

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they worked ok at bacup football club new dug out new seating in stand .new footaways and loads of over stuff.

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and nelson fc when they rang

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So...here we have Grimps, dedicated Stanley fan, ready, willing and able to use his considerable skills and work ethic towards much-needed ground improvements...totally ignored to the extent that he has now given up offering his services.

Does this, perhaps, tell you something about the competence of the individuals who are running our club? :rolleyes:

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The most annoying thing about this - and others similar - is, we should be a family type club :confused: :confused: who, should be only too happy to use the services/help on offer :eek: It is one of/the only way we, as a club can/will survive!!!

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Does nobody from the so called hierarchy at the club not bother looking at this site, because if they do and still carry on the way they are the game really is a bogey

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I can assure you that with the exception of our Chairman, the two idiots charged with running our club, view this forum as a rather painful thorn in their sides and have no wish to listen to anything we might have to say......good or bad. At this time of year 'Bah Humbug' springs to mind.

:-(

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So it really is Us and Them then ukcowboy:mad:

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the ground will allways be stanley but we need a new set up in place soon .cow shed away stand main stand is a mix of old and new . we need money to do up . if the board would have said early in the year help . we need 66,000 we could have help out but none speak .

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no good last min calls can you help.

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Now, if only we had a chairman who was willing to build a new ground for us, something that the whole community could use. If only... ;)

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nice new stand.lol jan 3 still not up

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It has been very bad weather Grimps!!! :rolleyes: :) :)

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had 2 years to do it lol. could have dun it in 3 weeks myself.

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Sarcasm, young Joe, is the lowest form of wit!!...............Mind you, it is also the most satisfying :D

Grimps, however is correct, we really should have got this sorted ages ago, after all its not like the club didnt know!!

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was at the club helping out on thursday. new contral room is up and runing. so the old box my be gone for tuesday nite.

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I knew that you could not resist Grimps ;) Glad to see we are moving it forward, well done Grimps lad :) :) :)

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Yes Well done Grimps,

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At the open forum rob said work will start the 3rd feb on the away end

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Well that gives us 12 month then :rolleyes:

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Believe that when i see it.

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Too true, if they told me it was Sunday, i would have serious doubts.:rolleyes:

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So you should, 3rd of Feb is a Thursday :D ( yes I do really know what you mean :) )

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will pop over 2mozs to see if they need free help 4 6 hours....

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:) And so its began,the wall at the back of the coppice has started to be demolished,work to remove the wall was started yesterday in preperation for the new standing arear which goes up after next tuesdays home game against morecambe:)

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yep will probably be march before they get a skip though pmsl

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Does that mean that the Morcambe fans will not be able to use the Coppice end?
Will they have to give them the Scratin shed, they usually bring quite a lot of support, so they would probably need the entire shed.
Anyway it's good that the work has started.

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they haven't brought more than 400 for a few years now, and i think this will be their worst for a while - crap team this year and they already know where the points are going :rolleyes:

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This planning application was submitted on 19th January 2011

11/10/0510 Full: Erection of extension to Coppice 19/01/2011
Spectator Stand to provide catering and toilet facilities (139m2)

The Crown Ground Livingstone Road
Accrington
Accrington Stanley FC

Don't think it has been heard by the Council yet.

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It won't have been there to busy closing "Peel St Bogs":D

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:confused:Mmmmm dont know what to make of jeffs post:confused: But if anyones interested!!! work starts at 7 am tomorrow morning on the coppice standing extention and should take 2days to complet,so if anyones around the ground tomorrow can you take some photos and post them please:)

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will pop over about dinner

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Even the 'simplest' planning applications take about 8 weeks to decide, so probably no decision from the Council before mid March.
If work has started today then the club is in breach of planning regs and the Council could serve a 'stop notice' on them, pending its decision on the planning application.
If the club really is trying to build bridges (as well as terracing) with the "community" it might be prudent to either wait for the Council to give its decision before starting work, or to make sure it submits planning applications well before it needs to do work that requires permission.

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Cameras do not lie :) Pics on website, maybe a report from Grimps later!!! :) :) :)

ASFC News Story > 3833

:)

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But what about those pesky residents? They won't like it if the new structure is a few inches higher than the existing one.:D

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The planning application for the work that was supposed to be completed by 31st December was only submitted on 19th January?
So the li(n)e about being unable to do the work because of the weather through December was total bull. Surprised?

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well well well he is my bit . away end for home fans. if all goes to plan better then home end.but no roof

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Would swap in an instant, roof or no roof. Don't think it's possible, though, as the police control room has to be near the away fans' section. :confused:

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Interesting that you mentioned this Dale and your right about the control box being near to the away fans WH!! Both could get your wish on this idear,the coppice could be split in two half home half away with a fences down the middle,only problem is there isn't enough toilets for home and away fans behind the coppice,and you'l need extra food vans..:)

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load of crap moving the home fans down there.

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Why do you say that Macca??? All standing terrace, plus Team runs out in front of us??? No roof... bring it on!!!!! :p :) :) :)

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I can't see it happening myself.....but would be delighted if it did. ACCRINGTON fans should be in the end closest to ACCRINGTON.

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I'm not suggesting that Rob fare from it! A half n half coppice could be good when teams with only a few hundred or less following:)clayton end is the home end and that wont change..the away end as it stands will have a capacity of around 1500 standing i would imagine when works finished on the stand plus over 300 seats for away fans in the whinney thats 1800plus,which wont be filled by meany clubs,so half the coppice on certain games and open it up to stanley fans ..:)

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Points of the Roof
Not open to the elements
Acoustically more noise generated under the roof particulary a big plus & twelth man against the Clubs like Bradford & Bury that bring big numbers
If given over to away fans it may encourage more visiting numbers

No Roof
Noise drifts to the wide blue yonder
nice when sun shines
drenched when raining or freezing when cold & windy

Splitting it into two
return to the 70's and segregation how it used to be, no don't like that idea

Happy as I am Thanks:)

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In principal I agree, always have done.

we complained and campaigned for years to have a roof and now we have I quite like staying dry at home games.
1) if we moved to a half and half and kept the Clayton End as a home end then we'd have to suffer constant being moved back again when a larger following is expected. ABSOLUTELY NO.
2) having the Coppice End ONLY would mean that there would be a significant drop in the noise support for us and a massive gain for away fans. The likes of Bradford and Bury dont sing for 90 but when they do sing they are loud, a roof would encourage them to sing for longer and louder. ABSOLUTELY NO.

If the day ever comes that a roof is put on that end then I'd move back like a shot whether it is bigger, smaller, better facilities or not. But that day is not due any time soon so shove the idea.

oh yeah and thirdly, if that ever was or is the plan then thank you very much for consulting the people who it concerns ie the residents of the Clayton End. If it never was or is the plan then please bear in mind that consultation would be nice. Please approach the OSC to garner opinion.

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Cracking idea that grimps, If we did have the coppice end, firstly the players come out to the home fans, and secondly going on the last few games stanley would be kicking towards the home fans in the second half, Coppice home end bring it on

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not bad at all.

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Moving ends would that also have an effect on income streams?

Would people stay away if they were not in a covered end or would it increase numbers?

Would people be more frequent in a visit to the Club shop or Sports Bar if they perhaps came down Livingstone Road and went in what is currently the away end that way rather than coming past the Club shop or the Sports Bar to the Clayton End?

It may have a minimal effect I don't know but that's the bigger picture

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not fer me, as pendle red says- no roof = crap sound, plus soaked when raining,the sound generated by a few in Clayton end is magnificent, all that would be lost wi no roof,

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:) No need to worry about coppice becoming half n half or becoming home end,it stays the away end and thats that,I had put the half n half idear to Mick S back in november but he said it wouldn't happen for a few reasons really mainly!!Control box needs to be over looking the away fans, and not enough facilitys ie toilets n refreshment for 2 sets of supporters and the fact the away fans can leave the ground quickly and away from the main stadium.:)

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well that's that settled then!

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Sorry Mab but I fear you have been spun a yarn there. I have seen the away end split into two for certain games and 2 retail units have been on that end. Also, there are toilet facilities at either end (or were). Also there is a gate halfway down the rear of the stand to stop supporters from venturing into the other half. Think it was used for an FA cup match when those that had tickets for the coppice end were sent to the turnstiles nearest livingstone road and those with tickets for the cow shed went to the bottom turnstiles. Gate was shut over on the right of the Coppice end terrace and also at the rear of the terrace to stop persons going between the two.:)

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In reply to pendle reds post about fans staying away if they are going to get wet,if my memory serves me correctly the clayton end was always packed in the last season in the conference,and quite busy in the first season back in the league.Then we get the much called for roof and the numbers on the clayton end fell rapidly,maybe going back to the open terrace is not such a bad idea,it might even have the adverse effect and bring back those missing fans.We never gave a toss about getting wet,freezing our t*ts off and we still gave it our all with singing,flags etc.It's just a thought but !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

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Hi Afrikaaner

You may be right about an open terrace but I think the there are perhaps more reasons numbers dwindled in the fact it was a successful season in terms of being at the Top always brings it own success in terms of numbers, interest, sponsorship, feelgood factor etc. and the "Holy Grail" was achieved in terms of promotion back to the Football League and there was the perhaps failure of the Club to build on that "Golden Goose" period by keping punters coming back for whatever reason?

Whether some fans or walk on's viewed it as mission accomplished in terms of being back in the FL likewise the Club is up for debate?

But there can't be the syndrome of looking back all the time of how things used to be, yes learn lessons from it but as a business it has to ever evolving and moving forward.

Which means from a Club point of view engaging, proactiveness, awareness and transparency of everything and everyone around them from supporters, council, community & anyone who comes into contact with them tick them and you are well on your way:)

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The council aren't happy with us - what a surprise
www.lancashireeveningtelegraph/accringtonstanley

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Rubbish! Rob Heys says the residents are happy. So that's all right then, never mind the planning dept.!:rolleyes:

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Sorry, can't get the link to work for the above but basically Peter Britcliffe has said the club 'deserve to be shown the red card' for starting the work without receiving planning permission.
Rob Heys has replied 'We were subject to time restraints before the start of the season & before Christmas contacted residents. No-one objected afer our letter was sent out.
Council officers have visited & they are happy for us to carry on, we have a much better relationship with the Council these days'

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PB never misses an opportunity to endear himself to the public of Accrington does he :D

Maybe a council employee has actually done something behind his back, if so he should be named and come forward for the peoples award.

The club is in the wrong but lets face it retrospective planning permission is the 'in' thing these days :)

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agree, but lets be honest, the sooner that overweight piece of crap is voted out, the better hyndburn will be, i have wiped better off the sole of my shoe.:cool:

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The last paragraph in the Telegraph article sums the club up :

'Reds Managing Director Dave O'Neil was away on business yesterday but believed that Lancashire County Council had approved the plan in principle'

????????????????????????

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that is a rather pathetic statement, they either have or have not approved, if he dont know fer definate then nowts changed at all wi him,useless.:(

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The point AM was trying to make is that Hyndburn council not Lancashire are responsible for the planning app :)

Here's the link
http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk...ace_extension/

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i know dave i got the paper, but dumbo obviously dont.;)

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I feel sorry for those at the club who are trying their best to improve things. They appear to be led by those whose incompetence and/or ignorance undermine all the good work.
I know the planning and tax systems can be bewildering and a pain but we all know they exist and have to be complied with. If those 'in charge' - if indeed anyone is in charge - can't get a grip of the basics it's no wonder the club seems to be always on the edge of infringing some rule or t'other.
I think the Borough Council is being very lenient by letting the work go ahead.

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If Peter Britcliffe's comments are reported correctly them I'm amazed. Surely a council leader who's fortunate enough to have an asset such as Accrington Stanley on his patch should be working with the club to ensure that legislation is complied with and trying to make life easier for everyone, not slagging them off in the local paper.

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He's grinding his axe due to the grief he picks up on some of the other threads it seems. :rolleyes:

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I don't think he needs to read anything anywhere to be what he is.

Fairly certain he is a season ticket holder at Deadwood, he doesn't give 2 hoots about Stanley :rolleyes:

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Give Peter Britcliffe, a couple of tickets and some pies, and he'll be our best friend.

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only if ya bought em from upstairs in the market hall.:D

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Maybe if you look back at this thread, post 3, somebody else could take over legal duties regarding the ground :)

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ing-55284.html

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I don't think she'd thank you for that Dave lol :)

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That still leaves a quiet period between October and March ( when the weather kicks in), to keep busy :p;)

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:) Has the work on the stand been completed anyone?????:)

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not whats worrying me mab, will it be acceptable if n when its completed?:eek:

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It should have been.

Work was started on 3rd February and was only supposed to take two days to complete.

Does anybody know if it has been completed ?

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not on sat it wasn't. so i was told, southend were visiting the cow shed had the game been played.:D

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Still not finished apparently.

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whilst it remains unfinished they probably won't pay the contractors (gate is locked and no-one can find the key!)

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Won't or Can't...?

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The stand contractors have be at work all day,back again tomorrow should be all done and dusted by wed,(they couldnt get in this morning as there was no one at the club at 7AM)

The pitch contractors are going to b bk this wk so fingers crossed for tues game next wk

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They must have got a rush on today, was up there tonight and they hope to have it finished tomorrow.:)

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was at club to day work is still on going with new stand steps was only there for 10mins .