Footy mad or Official site
 

Just a quick question what do you prefer?

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

Footy Mad!!......Are you mad thats the question!

Official site is way better and gets my vote any day of the week...........

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

i fink footy-mad shud be made more of a fanzine type site cause its not got anything the official site hasnt.

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

Does it really matter?

There will always be just one official site and we should be pleased that people are devoting their time to promote Accrington Stanley on the internet. Keep spreading the word and we'll get more people supporting the team ;)

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

It says one for footymad, wonder who that was? :)

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

Kev, if you're going to copy articles from the official site, at least try to copy them correctly! Your piece on "Why Stanley?" is obviously lifted from the item of the same name on the official site. However, you've still managed to mess it up by missing out a chunk in the middle! Accrington FC did not resign halfway through the season because of financial difficulties. They resigned at the end of the 1892-93 season because they had been relegated to the newly-formed second division and did not want to compete in this section. You also blithely ignore the fact that Stanley were a league club for 41 years and they were the ones who resigned midday way through the season because of finance.

May I suggest that if you want to put some historical items on your site, you do some research by reading Phil Whalley's excellent book and writing your own stuff, instead of carelessly cribbing items from the the official site.

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

Well said Whalley Red. Why has everyone got it in for AccyStanKev - we all know which is the official site so lets just let get the lad get on with it instead of ripping him to shreds, as long as he doesn't claim its the official site and acknowledges the work of others then I couldn't care less.

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

But it does claim to be the official site on the links page and he doesn't aknowledge the stuff he takes from eslewhere.... so eeer ?

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

Well in that case I suggest that AccyStanKev makes himself aware of the Copyright Infringement Act (or whatever) and the penalties applied to those who contravene such laws.....and then carries on with his site.

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

Your joking... This is the internet... nowts going to happen to him...

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

Thats true...I dont think at times (Monday-Sundays 12am-12am).

Well I would hope that ASK would be a good enough fellow and acknowledge his sources anyway out of respect for the original authors.

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

Yeah, but the point is he doesn't and, in the case of the "Why Stanley?" story, he has so little regard for his original source that he can't even be bothered to copy it properly, thus spreading misinformation about the club's history.

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

I don't really see the two sites as being in competition, so 'which is better' isn't really important.

I think the idea of making the accy-mad site more of a fanzine type site is very good, instead of it being just a mirror of the official site. Perhaps that's something Kev could have a think about... a fans' eye view or something similar?

The only complaint I have is the amount of material being passed off as original, when clearly it isn't. I know Kipax allows anyone to use his pictures as long as they ask, and I feel the same about other content as well. It's always nice to be credited with work you've done.

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

The problem for me when things are being copied is... If someone goes to the footy-mad website and reads an article or match report. then arrives at the official website (or wherever the original is from) and reads something that is so obviosuly simmilar.. they could (purely because they went there first) think the footy-mad content is the original and others have taken it, spruced it up and we are the copiers.

Taking original match reports and articles and re wording them is I am afraid very obvious to those that wrote the original and equaly as obvious to those that already read the original... Some people think they do such a good job of re hashing somehting that no one will know

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

Jeez! He is a 14-year-old Stanley fan who is running a site for the first time and he is being hounded out of town. Give the lad a break, we been through too much to need a 'holier than thou' attitude at this club.

Yes, it does say "Visit the Official Accrington Stanley club website" on his links page and it points back to his home page, but he needs to be shown how to edit that link and he has tried to manually correct the problem by adding a link titled "Accrington Stanley official site" which is to the official site.

Yes, he did copy & paste some comments from this forum about the Dagenham game. It is a bit taboo, but at least no names were given. If you think that's bad, I read an article written in Thursday Racing Post about the Ryder Cup and it was virtually word-for-word the same as an article that appeared on the ESPN website the previous Sunday! And that's from a professional journalist.

I do see that Kipax has been given full and correct credit for Leigh RMI pictures that appear on the accystan site, so why the continued pettiness? Support and encourage people who are trying to spread the word about Stanley. They'll make mistakes, but don't we all?

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

Bollox

Age is no excuse... Coming on here and saying everything he posts is 100% his work isn't an honest mistake.

Oh and we arnt talking about copying peoples comments.. where talking about copying articles and reports and making a few changes and calling them his. Being 14 isnt an excuse for doing that and announcing to the original authors that its all his.

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

His age has a lot to do with it. I wouldn't expect someone as professional and experienced in web design as Kipax to make the mistakes that this lad has made, but he is 14 and new to web editing. That might make him appear naive, but he is clearly willing to learn and ask for our help and most of all, he is enthusiastic.

I hope lots of the junior reds will, in time, want to create their own website about Stanley. They might not be factually correct or as professional as the official site, but support and channel the enthusiasm of others, don't stifle it.

We're in our highest-ever league posistion since reforming and the threads that have the most replies/views are those about petty quabbles about "rival" Stanley sites. Very poor!

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

You keep talking about mistakes... passing off other peoples work as your own is NOT a mistake.. We can live with mistakes.. crikey I am sure we all make enough of them .. I know I do :)

14 is no excuse as far as I am concerned and stanley doing well also isnt a good enough reason for it to be OK ..

My opinion which I think I am entitled to without being accused of squabling

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

I'd like to see lots of Stanley websites, too, providing they don't (a) copy stuff from other sites without acknowledgement, because that's not really fair on the originators of the material and (b) that they're reasonably factually correct. As someone has said, Kev should adopt more of a fanzine-type approach and, as I've already suggested to him, if he wants to put historical stuff on his site, he would be well advised to consult Phil Whalley's book. I would recommend that he gets a copy of Jackman and Dyke's Accy Stanley - A Complete Record, but as he's pledged two quid everytime a ball goes out of the ground and, as Smiffy has pointed out, there were seven such balls on Saturday, I fear the poor lad may be in penury by the end of the season!

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

Reports have been too close to others have been amended and he has apologised. Learning the boundaries between research and plagiarism is something that he will learn.

From searching through his posts, he has appeared naive, but nothing more. And he has been a lot more polite than his many of the replies to his posts.

Kipax, I am not accusing you of scabbling with a 14-year-old internet n00b. From a person of your standing at this club and on this forum, it is more like bullying.

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

He pledged £2 for every match in which LESS THAN 5 balls went out of the ground.

He has correctly credited Kipax for his photos and now that he is learning the "rules" of webmastering, I'm sure he will get better at this.

There are plenty of historical souces about Stanley and he will surely improve that section following suggestions here. But he wants to create a site that deals with Stanley matters as they happen such as match reports, interviews with opposing and home fans, etc. It's his site, there's plenty of interest in this great club for it, this forum, the official site and more besides ;)

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

So he did - my apologies. It will be interesting to see how his site develops, hopefully for the better!

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

Incidentally, WR, I see Kipax has included a link to Kev's site on his own site. Hardly what I would call "bullying"!

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

May I add my own comment?
I must thank Whalley Red ever so much!
I am extremely enthusiastic about becoming a journalist in the future. Do you know how if feels to have something that you have set your heart on being critisised in such a way? Mistakes can only be learnt from and yes, copying from the Beeb site (which I always intended to replace afterwards anyway and i have notes that i wrote at the match to prove it) IS a mistake and I have learnt from it. Next time all will just write something like McEvilly scores 2 as Stanley beat Leigh. More to follow. If i cannot get enough time to write out the full match report. The WHY STANLEY is about to be changed. That is what i understood it as. I am a reletivly new Reds fan compared to most of you lot. I have set my heart on my site and spend most of my time doing something for it. I have increased the traffic by 77% in just over 5 month is something I am proud of. Since coming on this board I have learnt a lot of things and they can only improve the site. I know someone suggested a fanzine site, can that person please contact me with more info thanks as I feel it is a great idea, thanks. If you prefer the official site then dont go on my site and keep it there but you dont have to go slagging it off ll the time.

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

Just the impression that struck me when I read through the replies to AccyStanKev's posts on this forum. Links are reciprocated to increase traffic, nothing more.

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

:rose8: Whats this site like at the moment we cant criticise anyone because of our league postion, on another thread about players on the bench the same arguement, so what happens if we have a bad run and end at the bottom? are we then allowed to voice our opinions?
The criticism is justified footymad give you a website all you have do is click on the page and add content now ASk has found out how to cut and paste, great, but learn how to type and go to other footymad websites and see how they do it, if you went to the game write your own report, once you become orginal more people will go for information and if you want to steal content then surf the web look at different newspapers and reports and you will get a lot of encouragement and support but if you put yourself in competion with the official site you will upset to many people. As for age what has that got to do with it you know at 14 that if you sign up for something you know what your doing, I am sure that when ASk decided to join footymad he knew what he was doing and how much computer knowledge was needed, you dont jump off a diving board unless the pool has enough water to cover you.

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

Kev, we were asked for our opinion on your site and we gave it. What's more, if you're so thin-skinned that you can't take criticism, you haven't got much of a future in journalism, believe me!

Re: Footy mad or Official site
 

It would appear that young Accystankev has let his enthusiasm for the team get the better of sound judgement and literary protocol, and in so doing has opened up a wider discussion on the correct use of intellectual propriety.

Nevetheless, while being congratulated on his site a full reprimand is in order for nicking stuff off the official site. I would suggest therefore, that he does 500 lines in longhand - "I must not plagarise the official ASFC website" - gets it scanned and posted on his website for all to see. Then everyone can be happy and he may even get some Karma points.