Brian Clough RIP
 

The best England manager that never was

Sad to read of his death :(

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Yes really bad news



RIP

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I agree, a sad loss to the country and at 69 no age to die. RIP.

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He has been sadly missed by the game for the last eleven years - he would never have tolerated jumped up little muppets like Kieron Dyer refusing to play in a position and other such namby-pamby dummy spitting incidents that seem to run rife in modern day football. Sadly he will now be sorely missed in life as well.

Clough Story - When Teddy Sheringham fisrt broke into the Forest team he approached Cloughie to ask for some tickets for his family. Cloughie replied - "Edward, if your f*****g family wont pay to watch you play who will?!"

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a sad day

"now then young man!"

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Top Man.....RIP

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Very sad news indeed. I agree with Kenny Burns who said that what he achieved in the game was greater than Sir Alf Ramsey winning the world cup circa '66. Great manager: Great man!

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Rest in Peace, Cloughy

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I'll always remember the time he was slapping those pitch invaders lol

I dont remember it directly but ive seen it on film many a time. :D

RIP

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RIP Cloughy

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I had a lot of respect for him up till the time of Hillsborough.

I lost all respect for this man when he made a mockery of the memories of Hillsborough April 89. Just because he's passed away doesn't mean I'll change my view.

My sympathies go to his family but my respect went years ago.....

He retracted his comments since then, but there was no excuse for what he said, repeated and published.

Otherwise he was a great manager.

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Great men, unfortunately, are not immune from making mistakes - some of them maybe great mistakes but what I admired most about Cloughie was not what he said but his amazing ability to take an average decent player and make him perform like a worldbeater (John McGovern was a prime example). He did it time and time again. There was the magic and the genius of the man.

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To the person who took away karma points because of my opinion of Brian Clough, you left me a message that said "not the time or the place", what Mr Clough said after Hillsborough to promote his book was disgraceful and upset a great many people, its a pity he didn't think about your quote "not the time or the place", before he spoke.

Next time don't be anonymous if you have an opinion I really don't mind who you are, remember this is a forum for your views also.

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Yeah he was a great manager and always seemed to get the best from players if a little unorthodox at times with his methods, and controversial in his views, he was a character though and we always need them, love em or hate em :)

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That would be me bagpuss and I presumed if I left a comment then it would show who had left it... If you had posted your moans about the bloke 15 minutes later then at least it wouldnt have been on the day of his death...

We all make mistakes in life but the worse thing that can happen to us is to die.. I feel the day someone dies is the day you either give your condolances or say nothing... Moan about him after the funaral. or after the day he died.. but not on the day..... not the day he dies.. thats just sick IN MY OPINION.

Thats why I took the karma and I really did think it would show you who took it if i left that comment. I am probably the least anonymous person on this messageboard.. I thought I would make my point to you privatly in that way rather than publicly and start an argumant..

I have taken it off two poeple in the accystanley area... one for slagging off england and st georges day.. and one for having a pop at brian clough on the day he died instead of waiting...

And guess what.. I stand by both and couldnt give a toss what you or anyone else thinks of that.. happy ? well I am :)

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I think there should, on a lighter note, be a vote to determine who is "the least anonymous person on this messageboard". Could be a few contenders.

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R.I.P the great Brian Clough

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:rose8: I agree with Bagpuss and if you want to take all my Karma points go ahead Brian Clough said.....On national television "it’s got to be said they were drunk and they killed their own." 96 people died at hillsbrough, It clearly ignores the evidence detailed in the
Taylor report, and Scraton’s study, which both show that the late arrival of ticketless fans was not a contributory factor to the disaster. More importantly, Clough’s opinion was offensive, dismissive and alienating to the families affected by the tragedy, and Clough was such a great man that to just to sell his book he made comments like that. Just for the record the comments were made before the funerals of most of the 96 that died, come to think if Clough had posted them on here Kipax could have taken his Karma points!

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And Mr Kipax I stand by my comments that I lost respect for Mr Clough a long time ago, I didn't make a joke about his death or slag him off as you attemped to do to me. As I said the man was a great manager and my sympathies go to his family, remember Nigel Clough was an ex Liverpool player.
You perhaps are not aware of his comments or how his words upset a great many people and still do, I'm guessing that you haven't read his book but you will be aware after reading Bazf's post of what was said.
Maybe in future you should read posts twice before condeming them "for having a pop", which I did not at Brian Clough.

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I am NOT arguing that what he said was right or wrong.. I commented on your timing.. the guy just died.. If niether of you can see my point then fair enough.. but try not to twist my words.. I never said what he did was right..


as for you bazf.. you totally missed my point.. I took the karma points as a private way (or so i thought) of showing him i thought the timing of his moan was off... Your having the same moan but NOT on the day he died.. so why would I want to complain? my complaint isnt about what he did.. it was about bagpuss raking it up on such a sad day


please explain what part of that your not following?

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I have taken it off two poeple in the accystanley area... one for slagging off england and st georges day.. and one for having a pop at brian clough on the day he died instead of waiting...

And guess what.. I stand by both and couldnt give a toss what you or anyone else thinks of that.. happy ? well I am http://www.luxweb.co.uk/~accringt/fo...lies/smile.gif

Just for the record the comments were made before the funerals of most of the 96 that died,
Probably the part I am not following is double standards

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I will say again as you obviously either ignored or didnt bother to read...

TWO WRONGS DONT MAKE A RIGHT
I DONT AGREE WITH WHAT HE DID
MY COMMENTS WHERE ABOUT BAGPUSS TIMING.

I ask again.. what part of that is causing you so much confusion that you decide to have a go at me? I didnt like his timing so I let him know...now your going on and on about what clough did... OK WE KNOW HE DID WRONG... whats wrong with you fella? I ahve NEVER said otherwise.. I didnt think much of complaining about it on the day he died.. I thought the day before or the day aftre but not on the day

Let me know when the penny drops?

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Why's it disrespectful to his family......

the'yre not on this forum are they???????:) Is it Fearon in Disguise? Is that "accystankev" bloke really Nigel Clough?

RIP Old Big Ed

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If I knew how to steal your karma points I'd steal everyones for NO REASON apart from it'd make me laugh

Alternatively, Bagpuss if you want some points take mine, I'm full up.

Jase

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Who says its dissrespectfull to his family? Who is even talking about his family? Not me..I couldnt give a toss about them..

I am talking about common decency.. whatever he has done wrong. the day of his death isnt the time to drag it up.. thats my opinion..

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Ok maybe because I was at Hillsbrough, sitting in the stands not trapped in pen3 at the Leppings Lane end, I have a different prespective about people who make money out of disaster, it must make it ok to disagree with his comments when hes alive but please dont say anything about him when he dies that would be so wrong, be honest if you disagree with him when hes alive say the same thing when hes dead. Saying it on the day he dies doesnt in my opinion make it sick it makes it honest.

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Oh for crying out loud.. your being a drama queen now.. who on earth says you shouldnt knock him when he is dead?. Whats the point of twisting and changing what I have clearly said?

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Because what ever I say you will never agree or listen to another side of a story,also if being a drama queen is the fact that I witnessed something I didnt want to well so be it but please dont belittle what happened that day, 96 people died and good old Brian Clough made money off it, and before you say you didnt look at your own posts.

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bazf.. dont insult my intelligence.. not enough that you twist my words.. now our sayin I am bellitleing that event.. all this because i thought bagpuss comments where badly timed... your too pig headed to understand that his is my one and only point .. your making a fool of yourself by accusing me of every thing you can think of rather than have the guts to admit you got it wrong .. your last accusaton is pathetic.. at no point have I done anything but state i thought bagpuss comments where ill timed... now look what your accusing me of...

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I've tried to be diplomatic in this thread but I'm afraid Mr Kipax your arguement for the 15 minutes you say I should have waited before offering my sympathies to his family and giving my opinion of Mr Clough just wouldn't have been enough for you.

You started this thread maybe hoping for people to leave a small message of condolence and maybe a tribute to the late Brian Clough. Just because myself and Bazf and a few others who sent PM's don't agree with you that he was a great man you are in my opinion now resorting to insulting forum members.

Nobody is twisting your words and nobody is insulting your inteligence so for the memory of the 96 and for Brian Clough lets just leave it alone and agree to differ.

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here we go again :(

I never said any such thing... its all there in the thread.. I never once mentioned giving sympathy to his family... the chances of his family reading what goes on this mesageboard or about 0... What is wrong with you people that you have to try and twist what i say ???


correct

NO.. Wrong again...

NO wrong again
I have absoloutly no problem with bazf saying anyhting he wants about him... I have no problems with you saying what you want about him..


for the umpteenth time my point was your timing of saying them on the day he died.... bazf didnt say them on the day he died.. just you..


No... your twsting my words... My ONLY point has been all along.. your timing..., you keep accusing me of other things and i will keep defending myself... Everyone can read just as well as you can.. everyone can see what my point has been all along and everyone can see your twisting it around..

next ?

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http://boards.footymad.net/mboard/load.php?tno=401&fid=192&sty=1&act=1&mid=214361302 6SICK ****

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Yeh Kev I've read that and I find it sickening how someone can post a message like that........

Disgusting...

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i've banned him from my (empty) mnessageboard just in case! I know that many of the footymad editors have banned him too!

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juat as a matter of interest.. you are aware that its impossible to ban anyone from a messageboard yes? If your lucky he wont be aware of that though...

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Well, I've banned his IP address, okay he can use another PC but apart from that he cant come on!

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thats not how it works. If he has a fixed IP which is doubtfull (I pay extra every month for one) then he can just go through a anon proxy... if not a fixed IP then he gets allocated a new one everytime he logs on..

for example can you see the IP on yer MB? make a post... mark down yur IP... log off the internet.. log on and make another post.. your IP will be different.. for most people its different everytime you log onto the internet... but offices and colledges may have a fixed IP in which case you would be banning everyone at that office or school or whatever.

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You just can't leave it can you Mr Kipax, I do not think my timing was inappropriate, in fact I think my timing was perfect, if you have a problem with that tough because personally I think you are just trying to wind people up on a subject that maybe you didn't want to touch on but by starting a thread with Brian Clough in the title was bound to bring up Hillsborough.

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No i cant and wont leave it.. your the one making disgusting accusations against me telling me to ahve respect for 96 dead.. its disgusting to suggest i havent... FOR CRYING OUT LOUD ALL I SAID WAS YOUR TIMING WAS OFF and you accuse me of that?

you STOP saying such things to me and the problem is solved.. you and bazf continue with that approach and i will continue to defend myself


it aint rocket science now is it?