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smudgie 27-06-2011 18:01

Dont panic yet people.
 
Does anybody remember last summer????

I do, and after losing Granty, Symes and Kee I honestly thought we where doomed. Yet looked what happened.

We even had an embargo till a week before the season, at least Coley has a full summer to work his magic finding those gems, ie Sean Mc, that nobody knows about!!!

Yes im also very disappointed we have lost the likes of Phil, Terry and probably Jimmy and Joe, but remember how much we achieved this season.

This was inevitable.

We offer conference wages (at best) so its obvious that when players shine they will attract the attention of bigger clubs.

If anybody deserves a move along with Jimmy Ryan its Phil, he puts 100% in EVERY game, just a shame he has signed for those moron's but nothing we can do.

Rather disappointed in Terry, Scottish Premier League is League 1 at best IMO. But no doubt they offered him more cash. Again nothing we can do.

Im just hoping the likes of Cisak, Proccy, Joycey, Hessey etc will sign, along with Long on loan, as he can slot straight into Sunbed's position for me.

IN COLEY WE TRUST.

Wynonie Harris 27-06-2011 18:21

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Totally agree, Smudgie, and totally unconcerned about the situation. Players come, players go, Coley goes hunting round the lower leagues and finds unpolished gems...until they, too, go in one or two years time. That's they way it is at Stanley.

Just one thing though, Smudgie, isn't it time you dropped the "Heys out" signature? He's made some mistakes at times in the past, but most of us have now let bygones be bygones. Perhaps it's time you did the same?

smudgie 27-06-2011 18:31

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
Wouldent say im totally un-concerned but I have faith in Coley & Bell to find those gems from down the M58 or M62 :)

The amount of good players on the PFA website is quite staggering, im sure Coley knows every one of them, as well as the contacts from the released Liverpool youngsters etc etc. Which is always a good place to start.

Ill think about deleting it.........

Im really hoping we can keep Razor though he genuinely for me is the only player that could claim to be as good as Jimmy Ryan on his day.

Div3North 27-06-2011 18:33

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
Coley and Jimmy were the making of Kee, Grant and Symes; Kenny was a good keeper, but so is Cisak; Kempson had a good season, but I'd rather have Hessey.

It's the way life is, and always will be, with a club with our resources. I'm sorry to see Jimmy and Phil go, because they've been stalwarts and played with 110% effort and with real ability week after week after week. I don't think anyone could suggest that either of them owes us anything, and we owe them our gratitude and our good wishes.

I started the "Dear Santa, For Christmas I would like ....... Terry Gornell" thread a couple of years back. He was good on loan, and led the line well last season; there are, though, other good (lower league) strikers out there; I'm sad he's gone, but wish him well. I hope that Joe, Alex and Dean all stay, but if they don't - good luck to them all.

Coley and Jimmy are geniuses at finding and bringing on talent; they'll do it again. Let's be really glad that - amongst whatever departures there are - we haven't lost the best management team in the country; I really thought they'd be snaffled away this summer.

In Coley and Jimmy we trust ............

Stanley for the Cup :p

mab 27-06-2011 18:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Div3North (Post 914763)
Coley and Jimmy were the making of Kee, Grant and Symes; Kenny was a good keeper, but so is Cisak; Kempson had a good season, but I'd rather have Hessey.

It's the way life is, and always will be, with a club with our resources. I'm sorry to see Jimmy and Phil go, because they've been stalwarts and played with 110% effort and with real ability week after week after week. I don't think anyone could suggest that either of them owes us anything, and we owe them our gratitude and our good wishes.

I started the "Dear Santa, For Christmas I would like ....... Terry Gornell" thread a couple of years back. He was good on loan, and led the line well last season; there are, though, other good (lower league) strikers out there; I'm sad he's gone, but wish him well. I hope that Joe, Alex and Dean all stay, but if they don't - good luck to them all.

Coley and Jimmy are geniuses at finding and bringing on talent; they'll do it again. Let's be really glad that - amongst whatever departures there are - we haven't lost the best management team in the country; I really thought they'd be snaffled away this summer.

In Coley and Jimmy we trust ............

Stanley for the Cup :p

:)Well said that man :)

shakermaker 27-06-2011 18:49

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
I like the 'yet' part in the thread title. ;)

MCR ADIM 27-06-2011 20:26

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
I think there has to be a little bit of panic, having just lost (if all reports and rumours are true) 3 of out best players from last season,

Phil Edwards - absoutly quality defender, ever present since signing back in 06, people say if he was taller he would be a prem player, i certainly thought he could be playing at a higher level, he went on a 100+ game run without ever starting on the bench, scored 12 goals for us last year and really commanded the back line and i think alot of the defenders looked up to him specailly the young ones, we will really miss him in defence, he was a player who just got on with job quietly and very effeciently,

Jimmy Ryan - What a player, what a find by coley after him getting released by shrews, everytime he got on that ball in midfield i was just waiting for that 30 yard screamer or that amazing run he does from the middle of the pitch, skipping past defenders, passing it to the strikers setting something up, his free kicks 9/10 times you knew something was going to come of this, one of his best free kicks has to be in the cup at home when it was pouring with rain and the pitch was really muddy yet jimmy curles a free kick into the next watching it back on sky sports news looks quality and it got onto the SSN goals of the week, also the cornor routine, brillant, magic player.

Terry Gornell - now i didnt see much of last seasons games but watching him when he came on loan, he was class, but reading the online stuff and papers sent out every month, no-one hardly had a bad word to say against him, he wasnt the 20+ goal striker everyone was looking for, but watching the last couple of games you could see his quality, and realy wished he has stayed another season,

Now were going have to find 3 more players to fill these roles, we had a team last season capable of automatic promotion, if we had kept the core of the squad and added 2 or 3 more players than we really could of made something in the new season to come, coley and jimmy work amazingly well with the budget to even bring players like that in, but how can we build a side capable of winning trophies if we have to bring in 5/6 players to replace ones that go, till we get more money capable of paying league standard wages, as we have the training ground, than i think this is always going to happen, the fans are never on thier backs always giving top quality support even if were winning 3-0 or losing 3-0, i think now its players like craney and sean MC, who havnt always been the most favourite players on here to really step up to the plate,

cashman 27-06-2011 20:27

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
panic,no chance things like this will always happen at a club wi Stanleys resources, tis a shame but thats life. J.C. @ J.B. will hopefully pull a few more rabbits outa the hat. just enjoy the ride.;)

Tin Monkey 27-06-2011 20:40

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
It's a little troubling, but I'd be more worried if it was John Coleman leaving and not the players.

I thought we were going to struggle when we lost Prendergoose and Evil, but we won the conference that year! Not saying we'll repeat that level of success, but I'd be surprised if we didn't have a competitive team come August.

fatgaz182 27-06-2011 20:48

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
May 1st 2010

Team V Chesterfield

Dunbavin, Lees, Edwards, Flynn, Richardson, McConville (Miles 67), Murphy, Procter (Joyce 89), Turner (Kee 67), Symes, Grant

2-0 Kee Twice

Apr 30th 2011

Team v Barnet

Cisak, Winnard, Edwards, Hessey (Long 46), Jacobson, Joyce, Procter, Ryan, Barnett, McConville, Gornell

3-1 Ryan 3 (three) :p

So in 2010 we lost Kee Symes and Grant and made the playoffs in 2011

We've lost 4 players this year so automatics then?:o

cashman 27-06-2011 21:02

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
Possibly 5 gaz, so we should be champs.;)

maccawozzagod 27-06-2011 21:59

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
the problem is that the spine of the team, the rock upon which all the success was built, has been ripped away. Coley will undoutedly find some new maestro's but I really feel sorry for him. He shouldn't have to keep doing this and will no doubt feel a little betrayed by those players. Gornell to a comedy club? Edwards to the morons? At least Jimmy should be going somewhere decent, hopefully.

£300k of talent has walked away from the club today, hopefully contracts WILL be offered in January from now on .....

cashman 27-06-2011 22:27

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 914841)
the problem is that the spine of the team, the rock upon which all the success was built, has been ripped away. Coley will undoutedly find some new maestro's but I really feel sorry for him. He shouldn't have to keep doing this and will no doubt feel a little betrayed by those players. Gornell to a comedy club? Edwards to the morons? At least Jimmy should be going somewhere decent, hopefully.

£300k of talent has walked away from the club today, hopefully contracts WILL be offered in January from now on .....

Good post Rob, i agree coley will probably feel a bit betrayed, many who have gone or will go were brought from nowhere, sadly loyalty seems to be a thing consigned to history, but yeh can't really put a price on the "Cost Of Living" to a bloke.:(

Fourth official 28-06-2011 08:39

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
What's the odds on Joe Jacobson being next !!

blue-and-amber - Joe Jacobson

See who turns up for pre season, whoever doesn't ,withdraw there contract offer and sign players who are 100% committed to wanting to play for Accrington Stanley.

smobile 28-06-2011 09:30

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fourth official (Post 914899)
What's the odds on Joe Jacobson being next !!

blue-and-amber - Joe Jacobson

See who turns up for pre season, whoever doesn't ,withdraw there contract offer and sign players who are 100% committed to wanting to play for Accrington Stanley.




Well Said - either sign up or ship out and let Coley work his magic again....

JEFF 28-06-2011 12:11

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fatgaz182 (Post 914818)
May 1st 2010

Team V Chesterfield

Dunbavin, Lees, Edwards, Flynn, Richardson, McConville (Miles 67), Murphy, Procter (Joyce 89), Turner (Kee 67), Symes, Grant

2-0 Kee Twice

Apr 30th 2011

Team v Barnet

Cisak, Winnard, Edwards, Hessey (Long 46), Jacobson, Joyce, Procter, Ryan, Barnett, McConville, Gornell

3-1 Ryan 3 (three) :p

So in 2010 we lost Kee Symes and Grant and made the playoffs in 2011

We've lost 4 players this year so automatics then?:o

In 2010 from the team you quote we didn't just lose Kee, Symes and Grant, we also lost Lees, Miles & Flynn. So that was six we lost.

Redraine 28-06-2011 14:48

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fourth official (Post 914899)
What's the odds on Joe Jacobson being next !!

blue-and-amber - Joe Jacobson

See who turns up for pre season, whoever doesn't ,withdraw there contract offer and sign players who are 100% committed to wanting to play for Accrington Stanley.

Bulls News say he has signed a 2 year deal with the Shrews. Always annoys me when they announce our deals before we get to know. Shrews chat also says Joe will be "joined by another familiar" face in the next 2 weeks.
Deano? How many more?

Fourth official 28-06-2011 15:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Redraine (Post 914981)
Bulls News say he has signed a 2 year deal with the Shrews. Always annoys me when they announce our deals before we get to know. Shrews chat also says Joe will be "joined by another familiar" face in the next 2 weeks.
Deano? How many more?


I'm sure Football19 will have something to say about Deano, if it is !!

ukcowboy 28-06-2011 15:09

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
Joe deffo gone to shrews, he tweeted about the deal today. Also said how much he appreciated the support at Accy. Good luck Joe.

fc:stanley 28-06-2011 15:25

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
Over years and years we've lost players but some not that special but this year we've lost some of the best players we've ever had ! Ryan , Gornell , Edwards and Jacobson are all extremely good players and were the fact why did so well last season ! In the back of my mind I have a feeling this is not the last to come! Players won't want to sign or stay with the squad looking so weak and out of tune! Coleys gunna have to get us out of the impossible this time I think and you couldn't blame him for wanting to go himself , I think phil will be something that will have effected him !! I can't see where we are going to get players from or attract them but in Coleman we and I have faith !

Extremely gutted about everything at the moment :(

MCR ADIM 28-06-2011 15:46

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
i agree FC if we cant get edwards, gornell, ryan, joe good enough contracts to sign than how the hell are we going to replace them with the players of the same capabilty, will really miss these players, only thing we can offer new players is 110% best support in the league, where will miss people like turner and bateson who could of had a real chance to shine

lancsdave 28-06-2011 17:45

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fourth official (Post 914984)
I'm sure Football19 will have something to say about Deano, if it is !!

Not according to BBC

BBC Sport - Football - Proctor, Winnard and Joyce sign new Accrington deals

AccyAggro 28-06-2011 17:58

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
Gutted about jimmy ryan, but it was always coming. Good luck to the lad, I hope he progresses like so many ex stanley players havnt! Same to phil edwards. Not the best have clubs to have joined in stevenage but whatever its his choice isnt it.

The rest in (so far) being gornell and jacobson have showed no faith, being poor before they joined us and having not even a good season in them being signed in november and january, why couldnt they stay loyal and prove they could do it for consecutive seasons, as ryan and edwards did so often.

VALAIRIAN 28-06-2011 18:08

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
Good news that the signings are for two seasons!!!! :) At least now we have a 1-2-1 formation :D :D

smudgie 28-06-2011 18:30

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
Well said Val !!!

Revived Red 28-06-2011 18:49

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fc:stanley (Post 914990)
I can't see where we are going to get players from or attract them

I cannot believe some of the things I'm reading. We are going to get players from clubs that have released them or who are out of contract or who presently play in the Conference and want to move up a level.

Someone else wrote that we had a squad capable of automatic promotion. Untrue. We had a squad capable of reaching 5th place; no more and no less. It's sad to see the departure of those who are leaving, but there are better players out there.

The question of attracting them is important. JB and JC have a good record in this respect, but we have to remember that the club has had a lot of bad publicity over the last 18 months and this must surely make their task that bit harder.

I would like to see the club become much more proactive in presenting a positive image. What has it done so far during the close season to maintain and build upon the excellent work done during the play-off push?

Lewi 28-06-2011 18:52

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
Gutted about the departures so far but as long as Coleman is still steering the ship that's the main thing. The man's a genius to do what he's done with the resources at hand.

fc:stanley 28-06-2011 19:11

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
Revived red , that statement you've plucked up with me is for this season ! I know it's been said previous seasons and I've like you disagree but this year I have to commit to that statement and I really believe that I don't know where we will get good players from !

The factors are that because we are a football league club players don't want to play in a past sell buy date ground , have different poor training facilities every day , worry about not being payed on time , having a rubbish wage compared to every other football league player , not having up to date changing rooms , having to play on a beach etc ! Unfortunately that's today's footballers !! And we are now in football league and players want good standards now ! The only reason why players come and stay is only because of John and Jimmy and the fans ! We don't have anything else to attract them !

Joe Is the beat example ! As he has said so many times this season, he loves the fans and the gaffer and would of stayed but another league club come in and like he said on twitter , there set up is good ! They have good training facilities , a good pitch to play on , modern changing rooms etc!

I just don't see where good players will come from this season ! Good luck to
Coley as always! Can imagine if he left ....

Come on John , good luck with jewel picking !!!

Revived Red 28-06-2011 19:19

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
fc:stanley - I think we are in total agreement. The players are out there but it's a question of attracting them. That's why I referred to presenting a positive image. Maybe it's time to start a new thread for this.

MCR ADIM 28-06-2011 20:24

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
i agree we need to attack new players, and make them stay a few season so we can build another team capable of making the play-offs, not choping and changing, jimmy and phil been with us for 4 years, and its tooks us that long to build a squad that could reach the play-offs we knew by reaching it clubs would be watching our players and some have moved on to bigger and better things, but now we start again, building the squad, keeping the core squad which would of been jimmy, edwards, gornell, but like fc and revived said its attracking them players, what can we gurantee, we need to start looking for our own training ground, even if it means, not having much on wages etc, were a football league side!

football19 29-06-2011 08:04

Re: Dont panic yet people.
 
Maybe a few fringe players will step up this season ,they did well against Burton away last year,also radcliffe away 2 years ago a certain billy kee appeared and scored a hat trick , lookin forward to the latest coleys un cut diamonds to surface


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