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Not missed much. Could not have got off to a much worse start really.

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Hi Haggis - HT dressing room should be interesting - wonder if Deanno is a forceful enough skipper ? Being southern based I haven't seen enough to judge.

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oh dear, three nil. I reckon The Chef has some work to do this week :-(

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Cold afternoon and not much to warm the big crowd up unfortunately. The first half was dire, two mistakes led to the first two goals, Dunbavins was particulaly bad for the second.
The second half was better, but the damage was done. The passing was poor, looking to improve next week.

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big crowd - cue the self destruct button :(

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One word !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RUBBISH.

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SHOCKING The only time we looked dangerous was when the new lad came on,

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Appalling, or should that be apaulling? Defence paper thin without Long and Hess at cb, and Murph is not a full back in a million years. Surely time's up for Dunbavin. My goodness, Cooky is going to have to go some to prevent this squad going into free-fall.

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Somehow I think Cooky & Leam have some work to do after that today.
We created enough chances, particularly in the last 15 minutes, but the first half was not good viewing.

All four goals where soft, but the first two in particular where personal mistakes... from the usual suspects.....

Third goal, 1 of 3 Plymouth players could have scored the marking was that bad.

Counter attack for the fourth, but Bav's beaten at his near post....... Not good enough.

Toto & Bav's AGAIN both had absolute nightmares for me, Need benching simple as. Cannot understand the decision not to be play Coid, maybe he had a knock, who knows?
No Bender on the bench either???

Only postive for me was Devitt who whipped in some great balls from the right hand side, and is without doubt an asset to the side.

Thought Willis did Ok in his 1st League appearance, other than that, a game to forget.

Well done Plymouth on travelling in great numbers, and some nice blokes too.

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Whist gutted at the display, was probably better fer Cookie to see how abject they can perform, Fer me Toto should be back at everton simple as, Dunbavin should be in non league.:rolleyes:

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And that's being a bit too kind, Cashy. We have never had a really good non-loan keeper since Jamo, which is the most serious failing I can lay at Coley's door. As for Toto, he's a liability. Oh for a Darren Purse!

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not a fan of Kenny Arthur then?

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Murdoch NEEDS to play Tuesday simple.

As for Toto.............. Back to Everton.

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Good to see it aint just my opinion of those 2 liabilitys.

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EVERYBODY in the Clayton End (where I stand anyway) had the same opinion Cashy.

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Well i'm on clayton end to left of behind goal,edge of box, n everyone around yon thought the same.

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Bad day at the office today,but to be fair plymouth were a better team,well organised,good game plan with plenty of experienced pro's.
They worked hard and fully deserved the win.
It was obvious from the start cooky is going to open the game up and play with width,indeed when we were defending we stayed wide(linfield could have sat with us!!)
Interesting if he plays this way as we could get over-run if not careful.
I personally like it when we close the opposition down by pressing ,don't think we have the players to play with width,although devitt was excellent and was a real plus

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Not particularly, Rob. Not a patch on either Jamo or Rob.

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Elliott was in a class of his own to be fair :)

I just hope Murdoch gets a chance now¬!

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When the dark clouds & hail cast over the crown ground - was the only interesting bit, not seen em this dire both halves in a very long time, none of them should play tues except podge but he was brought on too late. Dismal display!

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Have to agree F19 Plymouth bossed everything from the off with as you say a good blend of youth & experience, agree our game plan looked to use the width but without any success and not forcing a shot till nearly the 40 minute mark which is not the attacking Stanley we have become used to, we looked terrible all over the park with lots of misplaced passing and giving the ball away cheaply when under no pressure.

Got to say Alex McDonald has come on leaps and bounds since I last saw him play for the Clarets Reserves and led the line well for Argyle.

Plenty of work to be done on the training ground before Tuesday's trip to the railwaymen and plenty of food for thought for Cooky & Leam, not quite sure what the solution is but at least the games are thick & fast so we can quickly put it right.

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went today with my brother .. and it was rubbish .. even i could see that ... the fella who was sat next to my brother said its the worst they've played all season .. he was a season ticket holder .. good luck to mr cook and mr richardson theyre going to need it ...

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[QUOTE=shillelagh;971055]went today with my brother .. and it was rubbish .. even i could see that ... the fella who was sat next to my brother said its the worst they've played all season .. he was a season ticket holder .. good luck to mr cook and mr richardson theyre going to need it ...[/QUOed

I've noticed Stanley seem to play poorly when you turn up. Is there a connection.

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...and of course, this would be the occasion when DaveinGermany and Mrs Dave ventured onto the Clayton End for the first time. He was quite diplomatic about it, but don't reckon they were too impressed!

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Not a fan of Cisak either then?

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In short to avoid ranting:

Send Toto back to Everton; Antwi comparisons hilarious.
Send Evans back. Moves badly, doesn't pick head up, can't pick a pass.
Devitt could be brilliant.
Change the formation Paul. Don't be scared to revamp with your own ideas as since the Barnet defeat we haven't been as good as we can be (even against Gills we conceded 3).

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Nope, not really, in comparison with my afore-stated heroes.

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Completely agree.

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I couldn't agree more. Devitt and Podge were the only ones for me to come out of that game with some credit. In fact I watched until we were 3 down and then left. Biggest crowd of the season and worst display!!!
the only way is up after that!:(

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Agree, Evans when he first came,i thought "Promising" since first few games very ineffectual.:(

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Plus, of course, give Murdoch a chance.

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agree with above and also with Wynn about Murdoch.

Last thing, we no longer have a ball winning scrapping midfielder (Proccy) and we didn't press the ball when they had it? they pressed and harried us when they lost possession. Very poor today. Smith will score many more if he gets the service from either wide or threaded through balls.

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Now that the dust has settled,it was plainly obvious we struggled to take on board the shape and patterns of play that cooky likes to play.At one point I struggled to read our formation,although the pitch and conditions didn't help.
Fans will have to accept it won't be a quick transition and it's not easy to change overnite .
I bet no one has even seen so many passes go astray from our middle three who tried to thread there way through a well organised team.
Indeed they never pressed the ball and just retreated to the half-way line,allowing our defenders to have the ball.
They just waited off us to force the passes and capitalise on our mistakes.
Besides devitt,the positives to come out the match are that cooky will learn far more about the players in defeat than victory.
My only little moan is the new defending patterns is not my cup of tea,upto yesterday,results say we have been reasonably successful at it.
For example on one of our few breaks in the second half,our front three still encountered seven defenders,whilst when they attacked,we were nearly man for man(last goal murph was left one v one in our area !).
Just hope the lads take on board quickly what cooky wants,as I suspect he will just replace them!!!

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Anybody know how long Hessey is out for??????????

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Can't See Hess playing for a while and we miss his experience,

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Bad news :(

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We seem to lose to teams lower than ourselves but yesterday was embarassing.I was tempted to go and play with the little cat that has made an appearance as this would entertain me better than the match itself. Hope for a better game at Crewe.

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Couldn't get there yesterday, watched Dan's live text.
At 22mins he was commenting on a rainbow over the Coppice... a bit later, he told us it was hailstoning.... says all about the action (or is that inaction?) on the pitch.
Can only get better!!
I think that one thing that PC can take from JC's reign, is his famous catch-phrase...

KEEP THE FAITH!

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Thing is fer me, agree wi yeh, I reckon if the new lad from Hull on loan,is a sample of the type of player cookie wants, Things will certainly get better,given time.;)

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We do have that player but he was at full back.

Last home game Murph made us all forget about losing Proccy and for me you need him as part of that middle three. Hughes and Barnett play the same game and there isn't room on the pitch for both of them.

Thought we played better when moving from 4-2-3-1 from the 4-3-3 we started with - the problem in the first half was getting the ball between the halfway line and their penalty area because the 3 up front were all pushing onto their backline and with the knowledge that neither hughes nor joyce are ever going to make that bursting run through the middle it's easy enough defensively just to mark the pass and leave the man.

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100% agree Sam,some very good points there,hope other teams haven't Sussed this,but I suspect they will have.

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Agree 100% and the thing which concerned/concerns me is the fact that our new manager was not or had not been made aware of this. I have watched the Reds since the 1950's and can count on one hand the times I have left before the end. On Saturday I left with 20mins to go, not just because of what was going on on the pitch, (including the team selection as pointed out by Sam,) but what was also happening from the bench. To send on a winger who can cross the ball, then take off a guy who not only scored a hat-trick in the last home game, but is tall enough to get on the end of crosses, smacks of managerial naivety. I COULD also mention Dunbavin, though maybe that's cruel, but SOMEBODY picked him! I look forward to being proved wrong.

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The other strange one was when devitt came on,for a short time,Evans was pushed into centre mid!!,but I think smiths head was down,having not been given a kick by purse,so moving podge up top wasn't a bad idea.As I have previously mentioned,cooks coaching methods are a little different,and will take time to adjust to,but he is a top class coach and I am not concerned we may go two steps back,to go three forward and I am sure most fans accept this.
Ps- we did lose our capt and two centre backs,plus our most creative player!!,which hasn't helped

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Evans recently to me, never seems to have his head up? Perhaps woulda done Smith a bit of good to get some decent service?:confused: Was too many of the lads, not at the races on sat, Joyce who i rate, hardly made a decent pass in 90 mins.

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Very disappointing start for Cooky. He should be able to see obvious areas to work on. For me Murphy needs to play the role of enforcer in midfield that Procky used to play. He has played better in midfield recently than he has at full back. For me he is too prone to getting drawn out of position at full back. He has made a couple of goals playing further up the pitch in recent matches and also scored one or two. I would fit in Danny Coid at full back who would be much more solid and would show his experience too. New lad Devitt looks could and could be a supplier for big Chris up front who got no service at all on Saturday. Murdoch deserves a chance now in goal and Tom Bender too at centre back along side Deano, who was the only player really to come out of Saturday with any credit. Having said that several players had their worst game so far this season...even worse than against Barnet!! Let's hope they have got it out of their system now!!
COME ON THE REDS ...onward and upwards.

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Cashy,had to laugh at Harry redknapps post match comments after stevenage game.
He said they couldnt play there passing game because of the bobbly pitch so they had to go long!!!
Coley got slated for doing that,and hes the next england manager !!!,
Think that was our undoing on saturday,they played the pitch better than us as we had more of the possession !!!--should have played an highline and two upfront and gone more direct,boring game plan,but would have been more effective imho (couldnt have been worse:))

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Should be interesting tomorrow night at Crewe to see whether Cook decides to play Murdoch instead of Dunsavin for a change.