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Half hr gone n 1 down!! Not really any chances for the reds,ni corners to us 2 for the daggers:( second best at the mo
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Stanley sub podge off injured!! liddle on
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:confused: strange subs by stanley :confused:
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Wimbledon winning away now. Only 6 points clear of next to bottom Plymouth with a 3 goal worse goal difference.:eek::eek::eek:
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Wimbledon beating Coley at his place should say.
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sorry but this was the worst Stanley performance of the season, Beattie was like a broken sat-nav no sense or purpose, absolutely amazed that Leam never pulled him off
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I was not impressed with Stanley today, The daggers defence coped easily with our limited attacks. Liams statistics are not encouraging.
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Awful. A terrible performance from our so-called front two. I think the Beattie experiment has failed. He just jogged through the game and his fitness evidently has not improved since joining us. Podge is becoming the nearly man, constantly just failing to connect properly with chances and to get on the end of any lumps up the field which seemed to be our only tactic in the first half. Positives were Dixon putting a lot of his colleagues to shame with his play as a sub, considering the level from which he has come, and Molyneux once again showing the way with a MOM performance, although there wasn't much opposition. Couldn't understand why Wilson was played at right back as he is so obviously left footed??
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Next 3 games
Aldershot Away Wimbledon Home Plymouth Away Failure to get at least 4 points from these games and we really are in the crap. I said it after the Wycombe game and I will say it again - Very, very worried :( |
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Absolute disgrace today. Since snake left we have gone from a footballing side to a long ball pub team.
I've been surprised a few times at his team selection and substitutions but today was incredible. Podge injured so you look at the bench and think Hatfield Gray and Mingoia, even Dixon could play that 2nd striker role so a straight swap no doubt - Not our gaffer, he changes 3 positions (Boco in place of Podge, Molyneux in place of Boco and Liddle in place of Molyneux), absolutely bizarre! Then 2nd half when we're chasing the game, he's got 3 attacking players on the bench who have all scored goals this season, does he put any of them on? - not our gaffer, he puts on two centre midfielders who I can't remember having a shot all season, Clarke plays back and square more than Joyce and that's saying something. To be fair Dixon ran about and looked lively but never looked like scoring. Wilson looked like a fish out of water from the first minute Linfield has a great attitude but his final ball is awful Beattie looks knackered from the first minute Boco hardly had a kick once he went inside The new management team, whoever that comprises of these days has turned us into a poor-mans Wimbledon circa 1985. Last thing, if anyone listens to the interviews and thinks we were anything better than awful at any stage you're been told lies. Rant over, lie down in a dark room called for |
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I am always reluctant to say anything that could be deemed as criticism of the players but my word, we were dreadful today.
The Beattie experiment has not proved positive; no club will be coming in for him so it looks as though we are stuck with him for the time being. Joyce has got to be dropped from the team for his own sake; he needs time to regain his game and take stock of his performance. He needs the captaincy removing from him so he can concentrate on his game. Why was Wilson played there today; he patently belongs on the other side of the park. Damn, I am depressed. |
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What a poor showing from a team that performed so admirably against Cookie's lot. New signing Wilson looked lost at rb and not match fit (Where was Hunt who played so well in last game ?). Beattie had no impact on game and on this evidence agree with others that the experiment should be terminated without further embarassment to both parties. Central defence looks better with Deano in there and toto on the sidelines but midfield looks totally lacking in ideas at the moment. Lindfield and Amond were totally ineffective and should not insult the laundry person by handing their kit in. Best of the worst on the day were Belford (no blame for goals), Winnard (couple of errors late on but otherwise steady), Molyneaux (forays down the left but sometimes wonder when rest of team will play ctach up), Boco (tried hard to get forwards going but was fighting a lone battle)
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Whilst I can never accept the gesture when so-called 'fans' see fit to boo their team, I do sympathize with those who were obviously dissatisfied with the fare served up at the Crown this afternoon.
The Reds seem to have gone retrograde with tactics limited to launching high balls from Goalkeeper and defenders to Strikers unable to control them. let alone gain any advantage, and a midfield whose easily read tactics render them ineffective. Whilst I won't name those indviduals whose performances were less than acceptable this afternoon and made winning this important game an impossibility, I would conclude from what I witnessed that a collection of relatively inexperienced young pros and loanees will seldom succeed in their task, and without an on-pitch leader will find it almost impossible !. Leam certainly has a weighty problem to solve over the coming weeks if he is to find the players and apply the tactics needed to reverse the current situation and get the points required for 'safety'....I wish him well, and would ask 'the boo boys' to shut up and keep the faith !. |
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Sorry boy,s that performance wer,nt fit to grace the Conference, give the armband back to Deano if he don,t end up over the border in Rochdale, get an easy jet one way ticket back to Ireland for podge or drop him back a bit and get somebody with pace up front, Bocco is going to get peed off and go to play for the snake and as for the rest either wear our clubs shirt with pride and passion or ship out.
This has been the worst of times I can remember in all my time watching stanley and I certainly ain,t ever heard booing from around the ground at the end of a game, sadly all I can see is relegation looming yep we have been kicking above our weight since 2006 and it,s been good while it lasted but IMHO the roller coaster ride is over. Leam I,m sure is at his witsend with this lot and needs an experienced second in command to help him but the way things are heading we will be lucky to get anybody on in two weeks for free never mind for a fiver. |
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Missed the game today,and was reliant on dans commentary,but must admit I fancied us for three points.Was surprised at the line-up,but my main concern is us persevering with 4-4-2.
We just get over-run in the middle,as today,who would be tucking in to central areas?,boco,linney or podge dropping in ??, With the players we have,4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 would be more solid,as our extra striker just ends up doing Beatties running for him. Being positive,think these lads can get us six wins,which I think will be enough,and start again next season --- keep the faith !!!! |
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I've never booed at a football match in my life, Yonmon, but today after dags scored their second goal there was a spontaneous outcry of 'Rubbish' from the Clayton End, letting the players know exactly what the paying spectators thought of our defending. That's as it should be. Don't agree with your second paragraph about naming individuals who don't perform, we praise em when they play well, why not give em stick when they don't. Lots of us have probably played the game, albeit at a lower level and got a slating, it goes with the territory.
The ' keep the faith' and 'we're all in it together ' mentality thins a bit after watching a performance like today's. Having said that , I'll be there against Wimbledon, I've got two weeks to recover PS thought the on pitch leader today was Boco (by example) but our senior players didn't seem able to respond MOM - the guy who said 'Get Proccy on' after half an hour :) |
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Agree it was a very poor performance yesterday but what good is booing, if you don't like what you see either leave or don't applaud , booing is for the baddies in pantomime.
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Must agree greeny,we know anybody can beat anybody in this division.You need all your players on song,if not,you will get beat.
Normally it's the young ones who dip in form around this time of the year,and the experienced players come to the front. It seems the reverse is happening at the moment,the older ones need to step up to the mark,and the younger ones will follow |
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To say I was frustrated after the game yesterday would be an understatement and I must apologise to anyone who was within earshot of my expletives between Accrington and the journey home to Salford.
Put simply, everything went wrong. We started brightly and then petered out into a shameful mess. Team selection - Laurence Wilson does not have a right foot yet was played at right back and was subsequently annihilated time and time again. Beattie was a dead weight, embarrassingly trudging around in a ten yard square, winning about 10% of the balls put to him and failing to hold it up when he did. We seem to be making a lot of people unhappy and making our own team worse in order to make space in the team for him. Shape - I don't know what the instructions were for the left flank but needless to say it was a horror show. Boco started on the left but kept drifting inwards to a centre forward position, which meant him and Podge were going for the same passes - this meant our wide options were minimised. Not only was Podge doing the running for the oil tanker that is Beattie but was also covering Boco as he showed the positional sense of a bluebottle. Amond's injury meant that Boco was pushed up front which allowed him the free role in which he is best applied. On the right, Lindfield seemed to be played as an inside forward but spent most of his time tracking back to help out the hapless Wilson. Lindfield worked hard but lost the ball often due to having no outlet. When the ball was in the opposition's defending third we failed to close the ball down with any tenacity. Look at how the other team act when we have the ball on the edge of our box compared to how we do - we sit and wait for the ball to be played. This is criminal. Neither Miller or Joyce imposed themselves on the game which meant we were overrun. When Dixon came on - stampeding through the middle and causing the Daggers all manner of problems - this difference was highlighted. Individual errors - our marking was horrific at set-pieces, gifting free headers to the opposition with a cringing regularity. Application - there was no hunger, fight or desire to win the game from any player on the park. That fact is the most disappointing as it is the only thing Stanley fans demand from their team. The only positive comment I have on this subject is the way Dixon and Clark played like they want to be in the team, well done you two. Yesterday was a reality check. We did not turn the proverbial corner we all hoped we did on New Year's Day. We shouldn't need the petulance of a former manager returning to the ground in order to stir up some desire. If we play like this again, we're well on the way to getting relegated. Get another gate like that and I don't want to say where we'll be. I feel for Leam as he has inherited a team with hardly any experience in it but he's going to have to pull something out of the bag this month. |
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Great post, Shaker, but I must disagree with your comment that we showed no fight or desire to win the game. It's just that we weren't good enough!
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I can't believe we showed no fight, get out played ?,that happens,but there are a few fighters in our team.Looking at there team,they have some really good players,including Doe,who's a rock at cb for them.
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Again I remember Sir Bobby Robson's oft quoted maxim... 'Score goals...win matches...win Trophys..... No goals...lose matches...get relegated '... Simplistic maybe, but seeming ever more relevant to life at The Crown , for where will the much-needed goals come from ?.....I am perplexed !... and must say that there is some crescendo in the squeaky murmurs emanating from my gluteal region !. |
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When cook took over,we were on the fringes of the play-offs,but I genuinely believe it was proccys departure that unbalanced our team,and we have never replaced him.He added presence to the team,screened the back four,and generally led by example.
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Well,well, well, what a difference a game makes , as they say , unfortunately in our case for all the wrong reasons.
Yes I thought and hoped we had turned the corner in January and after the Chesterfield match , great EUREKA ...we had or seemed to have done! I agree with Smobile's assessment over the coming 3 games ....in fact I felt that if we didn't get 3 points after the Plymouth game...which we didn't ,that would be it the dreaded relegation battle is looming.... Well now we have turned a corner....straight into a cul-de-sac...which is heading 1 way!! I know and understand why everybody loves Leam and he is such a nice guy ...bla, bla , bla, BUT reality is NICE GUYS especially at manager level , don't cut it in this business, My most favourite manager of all time was Cloughie and HE certainly wasn't a nice guy with players...even now , Ferguson,and Wenger aren't nice guys...BUT they DO get results, and think back not too far NO WAY would you say COLEY was a nice manager , but by hell he DID get results!!! Just taking the last game as a small example, the change of Amond caused SO MUCH disruption to the team,and let's face it , we haven't had a stable defence for quite some time now,so doing what he did, (LEAM) was stupid. There is a HELL of a lot of work for him to do this month even if we are to survive in this league, I am in agreement with most on this forum that we NEED a LEADER someone to motive ALL the team, which even though I wasn't a great fan of Proccie, he DID manage to do however he also had the support of Winnard , and Hessey, who were both very vocal, and that is good for a team, it shows commitment, and desire.... the present captain Joyce does not seem to generate any motivation or leadership so Winnard at least should be made captain and GET the shirkers in the side to WORK.. If I were Leam I'd get ALL the team who Played (except Belford...poor guy) to go to watch how Morecambe cope with the Daggers...it's free, and would be worthwhile to see what a difference it is!!! Once again like Smobile says, I think this month WILL determine our fate... |
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Want to add my twopenneth on Stanley's current plight. Am not going to dwell too much on yesterday, which was awful. Last Tuesday's exult was good, however if we analyse the game it papers over the cracks, as despite a spirited performance, the only thing between us and defeat was a great goalkeeping display by a guy on his home debut and some bad luck on Chesterfield's part.
I'll repeat what I said over a month ago, for me, the manager just hasn't the experience or force of personality to take the team forward and we need to ace up to the fact we're in a real scrap retain our league status. There always seems to be one team who drops from mid table security and ends up in free fall - this year I fear that's us and unfortunately I've seen nowhere near enough in the last 6 weeks to suggest we'll scrap our way out. I know Rob reads these posts and I'd say to the club hierarchy, what's Plan B as that's vital for continued success at a football club, as managers and players always move on, either upwards and onwards or as a result of not being deemed good enough. So just as football managers have scouting networks for players, are we doing enough to keep our eyes on potential successors - this is not disloyalty to current incumbents, it's good management practice. For example, I know that the FA Cup has given Macclesfield some publicity this weekend, but their manager has had success in his career, we're similar sized clubs with similar budgets, are people like him known to the directors running our club? Retaining our league status is vital to our club and we need to all pull together to achieve this, and if we do, my plea to the hierarchy is that your job is to ensure we don't get into this position again as it's too close for comfort. |
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Dear Leam, Internet scouting DOES work !!....sign this multi-purpose guy as soon as you can...he's the answer to any Manager's problems, and no mistake !!...
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I wonder how Toto would do pushed up a bit in the Defensive Midfield role a la David Luiz. Can't say I've noticied if his distribution is any good.
I wasn't at the last couple of games due to work commitments however if by the sounds of it we are sticking by the direct football mantra as adopted by Leam why not just admit it and drop our "footballing" players. Belford Hunt Toto Winnard Liddle Murphy Lindfield Dixon Boco Molyeneux Beattie Murphy infront of the defensive to show a bit of fight. Get the ball out wide and then Beattie, Boco and Dixon to get on the end of crosses. Ideally we'd want to swap Beattie for a Symes or a Gornell type however I doubt that's ever going to happen. |
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Don't understand and agree with the people who say we thought we had turned the corner after the chesterfield match . That was one of the luckiest wins I've seen all season. We got absolutely hammered in all positions and if it wasn't for Belford and the woodwork on another day they would of scored 5 or 6! The team is all over the place. We looked like a pub team and have done for some time! I totally agree with someone's post on here how we were in the FA cup , playing quality on the floor football , midtable and 1 or 2 points off the big boys and promotion and then leam has brought in a few of his players , changed our style and suddenly it's gone pear shaped!
Does anyone else know why he hasn't realised Joyce is not a captain and him and Miller can't play in midfield together or even what so ever this season! Could he not see yesterday how beattie did nothing and was just a lead weight sinking down the game for the whole squad? Could he not see like the whole crowd that the new bloke is a left back and couldn't kick with his right when they were tearing us apart down the flanks? The ship is sinking fast and if a miracle of a Goalscorer doesn't come in by January I don't see is scoring? As for the booing , I for the first time ever at a football match had to join in. Paying all that money to watch that kind of performance is embarrassing! They have the right to boo at the prices people pay to watch that! No effort and desire! It's a slippy slope from now on and don't see how it's going to get any better! If we don't get a result at aldershot then I fear , very much. |
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Think once again we need a reality check!!,Acci simply can't afford top div 2 players,indeed one of fleetwoods players is on more than all the acci squad combined.We are a few players away from being a decent team,a centre forward who holds the ball up,a holding mid with presence,and maybe some pace in wide areas.
We can't compete in the loan market,as top prospects will go elsewhere,and others are generally team fillers. If we have to battle in the lower half of the league , so be it,we may be lucky,Sri on a few gems,who will make us some money. The conference is full of teams with better resources/facilities than us,but there is something special about acci,that others don't have. One is player/supporter bond,no big time Charlie's ,just hardworking honest lads. We need to back the team,win,lose or draw,to keep our league status, negativity will soon be transferred to the team,and that will be no good to anyone,especially the younger ones |
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I feel for Leam as he inherited a squad with limitations, he has no money to either buy players, or to use good pay as a carrot for players to sign on with us. At best he can only sign players on loan or take on guys currently not playing, (therefore usually not match fit).....3 in our squad now I think? After the match I was speechless and said to friends that I was not going to comment on here. However, after reading some of the commments posted earlier and reflecting on some supporters in the Clayton end "booing", I cannot stay silent. We must remain realistic....When people outside the Stanley circle ask me in August what our prospects are for the coming season, (that is since promotion back into the football league), my answer has always been..."Staying in the league for Stanley is like winning a trophy to me and third from bottom or above is good news!". Of course, it is a great bonus if we do any better, and we certainly have managed to punch above our weight for a number of seasons now. When we did get succesful with the great team that Coley and Jimmy built that got us into the play offs, the heart of that team was tempted away by other clubs with more cash!?! I am not going to criticise team selection from the squad that we currently have, but I can only repeat my previous observations that we do have an obvious weakness in midfield. Leam must try to introduce that degree of "combativity" that we have had in the past with players like Procky and Jimmy Ryan. Bohan seemed to make a big difference with his aggresive running in the second half. I am sure that Beattie up front can still produce the goods but he is not going to do anything until he gets some decent and quicker service from the midfield and we see less of the desperate "hoofball" from our back line. Come on Stanley fans lets keep singing and back our team. We have been through difficult times before and our support is what is needed now. Come on you REDS! |
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However, they are certainly a case in point when it comes to teams dropping like a stone. This time last season they were in the top half of League 2, lost to Bolton in the FA cup replay and then didn't win again all season and ended up relegated. Losing runs are very difficult to break once the confidence has been lost and the Macc team were nervous wrecks towards the end of last season. I think Stanley have the ability, fight and nous to pick up enough points along the way, to avoid the drop, but the simularity with Macc Town is there for all to see. Keep supporting the team, encouragement is the key, Macc fans did the opposite and the players became rabbits trapped in the headlights. |
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We're in a real scrap and when it's tough, we all need to pull together and back the cause because none of us want to see Stanley slide out of the
League. Choirboy makes a great point about finishing 3rd bottom as with our facilities and resources, we should be bottom of the league by some way and whilst that is a reality check, our expectations are now higher than that, as we feel we're an established League 2 club and the current outlook is bleak. It is about pulling together, getting behind the team, making sure the players know the support and will is there for them rather than them being scared to play at home and at the same time, the hierarchy putting things in place to avoid us being in this situation next year. Despite our lack of everything, there is something special about the place - you only need to look at how many ex players you see coming back to watch matches to tell you that. |
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Booing is for Ewood, we are better than that.... Some of the darkest days following asfc have always seen passion from the terrace & a gallows humour second to none. Keep the faith comrades....
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Your spot on Alan,Macc were too good on paper,to go down.How's Jon doing?, lost touch when he went north,half expected him turning out for rangers lol.
Bit tough at Acci at the moment and I personally think the leagues tougher this Season. On a positive note deans getting fitter and getting a game in his preferred position !!!. May be upto full pace around April !!! |
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Last week he went training with the club of this forums "arch enemy" .....Barrow....He decided not to return, said it was a shambles, I believe they now have a transfer embargo on them anyway. His agent did speak to Leam at Stanley but it seems he opted for Nicky Hunt. Nothing doing at the moment, just pounding the streets keeping fit. |
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If he went training with them he won't have even seen Barrow :D |
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Come on real Stanley fans/Ultras. Let's make the next home match, Jan 19th v AFC Wimbledon, a sea of colour and noise like we did so often up to a couple of seasons ago. Tell everybody:hehetable about the club deal of getting on for only a "Fiver" and £1 for under 12's....... (See fishy site).:mosher::mosher: Big Crowd...Big Noise....Lots of colour.....100% behind our team!:theband: Come on you REDS!!:jimbo::jimbo::balloon::balloon::balloon: |
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Suggest readers to look at the Early Wimbledon match thread to see plans for a BIG PICK ME UP that will get us right behind the team.
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Jon was a class cb,but got shipped out to fullback ----like dean !!,although at least he didn't end up at left back !!!,similar player to murph,and look how he's progressed.
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I was going to post it on the other thread where there was discussion about levels of support, but I see that it's been strangely closed.
Anyway, it's as relevant here as there, but Morecambe are offering free admission to their game with Dagenham tonight, as they too are suffering from very low attendances. According to Jim Bentley, they might not have a league club for very long if the town doesn't turn out and support them. Now, where have we heard that before? |
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We all want the team to do well but there are basic things that Leam is not getting right at the minute in terms of tactics and choice of personnel. Central midfield is very rarely changed and this is one of our major issues in terms of why we are losing so many games. What has Hatfield got to do get a start?
Our passing attacking football which has served us so well has disappeared and the players seem afraid of retaining the ball and trying to link up play with other players. The passing game is our major strength so why do we not play to this strength, the longer we carry on with this tactic the less fans will come on, who would pay to watch poor football especially when we are not winning games. Wilson was totally outclassed in the first half of the Dagenham game and yet there was no change made to that side of defence, Molyneux should be further up the pitch and he is being wasted at left back, he has a great left foot and has the ability to take on defenders and put crosses in so why not play him on the left wing? The players seemed like they didn't care and there seemed a lack of effort from some of the players against Dagenham, maybe that was the reason the players were booed off. I hope that Leam can get some more new faces in especially for central midfield and I would like someone with managerial experience to be brought in to assist Leam as I think it will do him the world of good. Whether this is realistic or not I don't know but it may be a worthwhile investment if it helps to keep us up. The run that we are on has echoes of Macclesfield last season when they went on a very bad run and ultimately sent them down to the Conference. We have 3 big games coming up and really need to get some points from them, otherwise I fear we may end up going down. I would like to see us switch formation to see if that can improve performances, we could play a midfield diamond or even 4-3-3. One line-up could be: Belford, Hunt, Winnard, Liddle, Wilson Miller, Murphy, Hatfield Boco, Beattie, Molyneux Or as a 4-4-2 Belford, Hunt, Winnard, Liddle, Wilson Lindfield, Murphy, Miller, Molyneux Boco, Beattie |
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Murphy was a liability until he started to play centre half, please do not push him anywhere else!
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I was just suggesting one way of lining up, my main worry is the central midfield and it needs changing.
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Must admit I would like to see Murph given a go in a holding midfield roll,which he did in his younger days.A 4 - 1 - 4 - 1 system or even 4 - 3 - 3.
Gives a extra defensive minded player,who also can score ( proccy ??) . Think he wasn't ready for the fullback role early in his career,and was sometimes isolated,but playing more central,this is not an issue,plus he's filled out a little and is more imposing. Worth a punt IMHO,nice on the ball too |
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Are you sure!?!? Murphy in midfield!?!?
One of the reasons we struggle is Murphy's distribution, you really want him to get on the ball more? The players are the same players that did ok earlier in the season, we need the manager to stop picking people that arent good enough and we need to get back to playing football rather than humping it up to Beattie |
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Shocking defending for the Daggers' goals and we were very lucky not to concede for their penalty shout. Click on the football league link.
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we dont have time to experiement ! Macc are a perfect example of were the clubs going...
Get rid of Joyce and Linfield from the line up and we have a start of winning games. My line up for Aldershot would be: Belford Hunt Toto Winnard Wilson Hatfield Miller Molly Boco Beattie Carver |
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I'd give that line up a go.
Mr. Murphy could replace either Toto or Deano if either CB needed to go off for a fag in the second half. |
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Well fc, looks like you can't have Cameron Belford in goal, gone back to Bury (on fishy site), possibly for Paul Rachubka?
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Whoever instead of Belford and Murphy now in for toto!
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Murph in centre mid/holding role wouldn't be a problem,indeed a lot of the top teams adopt the " centre backs splitting,full backs pushing on and the holding player dropping in and getting on the ball"---this could be our plan C !,he's a better player on the ball than he gets credit for
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For the 50th time.
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Smudgie,what games are basing this assumption on ?, watched him a few times behind closed doors and resis games, and he did well!.He played there most of his youth career,so why not give it a go?.
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