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accybeme 12-01-2013 13:40

Aldershot match thead
 
team today reads Belford, Hunt, Winnard, Murphy, Wilson, Hatfield, Miller, Joyce, Molyneux, Boco, Beattie

Subs: Liddle, Lindfield, Barnett, Clark, Dixon, Carver, Dawber

Bentley5 12-01-2013 14:06

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wilson already looking better in his natural position

Bentley5 12-01-2013 14:13

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not good. 1-0

Bentley5 12-01-2013 14:14

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first 5 minutes was ok but it's all gone wrong for last 10

accybeme 12-01-2013 14:20

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1 Nil down That puts us 5 points of the bottom, with the Bottom two teams having two games in hand on us

Bentley5 12-01-2013 14:24

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let's not be too downhearted. the slope is assisting the Shots. plenty of time yet.

accybeme 12-01-2013 14:27

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Originally Posted by Bentley5 (Post 1036712)
let's not be too downhearted. the slope is assisting the Shots. plenty of time yet.

can't wait for the second half with the slope in our favour (Bentley5)

Haggis316 12-01-2013 14:30

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Originally Posted by accybeme (Post 1036709)
1 Nil down That puts us 5 points of the bottom, with the Bottom two teams having two games in hand on us

Losing to a side below us before today. Two of the bottom three winning and the other one drawing as well. Make no mistake we are in deep unpleasantness.:eek::eek::eek:

Haggis316 12-01-2013 14:43

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Zero Shots on goal!??:(

Haggis316 12-01-2013 14:51

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Wimbledon winning as well now.:(

yonmon 12-01-2013 15:02

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A few 'Leam-knockers' on text today !!...each showing little comprehension of the true state of affairs at the Club ?.

accybeme 12-01-2013 15:10

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Originally Posted by yonmon (Post 1036731)
A few 'Leam-knockers' on text today !!...each showing little comprehension of the true state of affairs at the Club ?.

(Not at all yonmon) everyone accepts we compete for the signature of good players with the revenue obtained from our meagre gate money

Haggis316 12-01-2013 15:13

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74% possession now. Let's make it count.

Haggis316 12-01-2013 15:15

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Originally Posted by accybeme (Post 1036736)
(Not at all yonmon) everyone accepts we compete for the signature of good players with the revenue obtained from our meagre gate money

Well said. Stand by my support for Liam's appointment which Cashman can vouch for.

accybeme 12-01-2013 15:21

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Dixson coming on, lets hope he cuts through the defence like he did when he come on against Dagenham

Bentley5 12-01-2013 15:43

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just the drive home to look forward to now. 2-0

Stanley Fox 12-01-2013 16:09

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Is Lindfield injured? Seems strange that with a player with his work rate that we leave him on the bench, especially for an away game. He played well when playing in front of Hunt in the Chesterfield game.

Redraine 12-01-2013 16:24

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According to the BBC we had 3 shots, none of which were on target. Our opponents will be able to field 11 outfield players at this rate.

Outback Ozzy 12-01-2013 17:54

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From what I have read and what I have heard, seems to me Leam needs help NOW, or alternatively a new manager before the situation gets too dire. I have said this before and I will say it again, we need the likes of Keith Hill to either a. assist Leam or b. replace Leam. If we can have 3 shots with 74% possession then that says something of the strikers playing or the possession not coming to the strikers to be able to have a decent shot at goal. I fear that £5 entrance fee to grab support from the locals will not be enough against the Dons on Saturday. We need wins and we need them fast. All I can say is come and help Stanley next week, we need it badly.

smobile 12-01-2013 18:03

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I said it after the Wycombe game and will say it again now.

This team and this manager are not enough to keep us in this division. People will say, "get behind the team", but facts are facts - we are heading down.

I will expand on this later..............

My Chinese has arrived. :)

smobile 12-01-2013 18:35

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Every time we have been in this position before, teams below us have either been on points deducted or not picking up points.

I think it will require 50 points to stay up this season and I can't see us getting another 20 points.

Before anyone says I am being negative, I'm not. I'm being realistic. I know we have financial constraints and this is why we have what we have.

But the truth is - THIS team, THIS manager is not enough.

stewthered 12-01-2013 18:44

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i don't think we'll go down - there are 2 worse sides in this division- one of them is the wombles. if we loose against them i might get twitchy

i don't post often- it is at this stage that the team needs vocal support at home

if it's a fiver for wimbledon- the town needs to get behind them and put 3-400 extra on the gate

a home match for me is 70 miles round trip- for a fiver every one in accy should get atleast one mate or family to get the spare change from down the back of the sofa and watch the reds!

Redraine 12-01-2013 19:07

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Originally Posted by Outback Ozzy (Post 1036765)
If we can have 3 shots with 74% possession then that says something of the strikers playing or the possession not coming to the strikers to be able to have a decent shot at goal.

To be fair, that figure of 74% which was quoted must have been for a short period of play only, as the figure for the whole game, again according to the BBC, was 38% possession for us. Nevertheless, 3 shots, none on target, must be some sort of horrible record, mustn't it?

Redraine 12-01-2013 19:47

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Good sense talked by Paul Stephenson on fishy site post Aldershot. Someone on an earlier thread was asking who he is:-

http://www.thefullwiki.org/Paul_Stephenson_(footballer)

We need him to repeat his influence with manager Lee Clark at Huddersfield when they went on that record unbeaten run!

football19 12-01-2013 20:43

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Just got back from the game and a 450 mile round trip !!.Been on holiday for three weeks and I wish I had stayed there lol
Poor game,poor teams and poor conditions.
They had three attempts on target,us none.
From last season,it looks like they have made the pitch smaller and turned into a long ball team,indeed apart from corners and set pieces,we dealt with there general play easily.
Our major problem is earning the right to play,and we were second in every challenge in midfield.
In Joyce,miller,Hatfield and Molly,who's the tough tackling ball winners?,
They played with a 6-3 holding player,who just screened the back four and the result was no shots--simple but effective tactics.
We were still in the game when we made our subs,but in carver,Clark and bohan, not one has had any league experience upto this season,whilst Linney and Charlie remained on the bench.
These young lads may turn out to be league players,but they won't keep us in the league this season.
All the basics seem to have gone out of our game,like movement off the ball,taking a player on,through balls,taking a chance on flick ons,winning your individual battles etc etc....
It is really time now for getting the basics right and putting a shift in to get a result

Revived Red 12-01-2013 21:09

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I'm afraid that I have to disagree with Paul Stephenson and football19. To my mind, we were NEVER in the game. We have to thank Belford for two superb saves and a referee who denied a certain Aldershot penalty; otherwise it could have been worse.

I do agree with football19 when he says that the basics have gone out of our game. His list is spot on.

Among the basic we really MUST get right are dead ball situations. For goodness sake, let's stop the stupid "routines" of short corners and free kicks. Get the ball into the opposition penalty area where it matters. Why is it so difficult to take a conventional corner? We seem to find it almost impossible.

Although football19 queries the use of Bohan Dixon, I felt he did well enough today to earn a start. When he first came on, he played up front and was direct and dangerous.

As for Hunt and Wilson, I just cannot see why we have signed them. They are certainly no better than players we have already.

And another thing! At goal kicks, why do all the players gather in such a confined section of the pitch? I did note that snake always used to have a winger out wide on the opposite side from the bunch. That always provided an outlet for a breakaway.

Redraine 12-01-2013 21:27

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Originally Posted by Revived Red (Post 1036789)

And another thing! At goal kicks, why do all the players gather in such a confined section of the pitch? I did note that snake always used to have a winger out wide on the opposite side from the bunch. That always provided an outlet for a breakaway.

Careful, RR. Football 19 chastised me for being naive in bringing up this very point a few games ago. Apparently only Barcelona spread their players around the whole pitch!

VALAIRIAN 12-01-2013 21:29

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Must have watched a different game to F19!! Long ball they are not, most teams in this league pump it forward, but I saw at least five moves by The Shots, which were nice one touch moves, four or five passes in a row, which took them from their 18yd area to ours.

We were poor again today, in a match we needed not to lose.

Bring on A.F.C. next week, the season starts then!!!!!!! :) :) :)

smobile 12-01-2013 22:58

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Something is seriously wrong when our goalkeeper, either dunbavin, rachuba or belford is our best player. Week in, week out. Think of some of the games this season and we are probably 10 points better off than we might be. We need a change at the top.

Bentley5 12-01-2013 23:18

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maybe my loyalty is getting the better of me. I was, as ever, there today and again found myself thinking that Leam isn't up to the job BUT HE IS STANLEY THROUGH AND THROUGH. he may need to move to an assistant position to an experienced manager but he must stay with the club.

carpon 12-01-2013 23:36

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Originally Posted by football19 (Post 1036788)
These young lads may turn out to be league players,but they won't keep us in the league this season.

Nail...Head...Hit !!!!

We signed too many inexperienced lads under Cook, Leam can only work with what he's been left with and the resources available to him.:(

Leam has tried to change that by bringing in the likes of Beattie, Hunt & Wilson, though he's probably got the smallest wage budget in the League to work with.:mad:

To put it into another perspective....If you put OUR wage budget into comparison with the Conference ? BSP whatever they're calling it now....OUR budget would be down among the bottom teams in that league.:(

Leam has my full support.

For me the board of this club now have to take a gamble.

The fiver for the Wimbledon game may get a few more thro the turnstiles next Saturday, but for me, we've got to try and raise the gates for the rest of the home games...

Drop admission to a tenner, give kids free tickets. Be adventurous and offer multi deals....playing in front of these gates is not only hurting the club in the pocket but it must be really demoralising to run out to play at the Crown with a little other a thousand in attendance !!:mad:

Secondly, they've got to back Leam with some money to get players in ( and fast ) who can get us away from this mire. The next two games are probably the biggest games we've had since returning to the league.

Win them both and we get breathing space in the fight to stay in the league.....lose them...and for me....we're down.

Either way...if we don't address the slide that is 7 defeats from 9 and we don't start putting points on the board....we can look forward (if you can put it that way ) to playing conference football next year.

Somebody said earlier that 50 points may be enough....I disagree. I think we'll need 53 to be safe for sure....the way results are going at the moment. Like another poster has said...if things don't change ...and fast....I struggle to see where we'll get another 10-15 points never mind 20 or 23!!!!!

nige b 13-01-2013 01:06

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Good post fella for the first time since we came up I am seriously scared about going back down there and we need to move pretty quickly because we can't score and we can't defend whilst others around us can do both............as you say next 2 games are vital with no room for manoeuvre to me 4 points max or..............

football19 13-01-2013 09:30

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Some good posts,but I have to disagree with Val about them being a footballing team.In 90 mins,how many times did there keeper throw the ball out?,they played two up front,went long,but the key was they won the second balls in midfield,which allowed them to get on the ball and play a little.
To be fair they closed us down when we had possession,and at one point,it was like a training session of attack and defence.
Although I cant recall our keeper making a save(they only had three shots on target),he was at fault for there second goal,as he came for a cross and didn't get there(aka joe hart!!).
Think leam,is trying to rebuild the team,starting from the back,but I don't know if we have the time or money for this to happen.
In truth,we are young, and in the main,inexperienced squad,and the next month or so will define if we are good enough to stay in the league

VALAIRIAN 13-01-2013 09:39

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Not saying they are a footballing team F19, just that they are not all about long ball :) Crossed wires :)
But we do both agree that we were poor and did not cause them any trouble. Yes it was made easy when they got a goal from nothing, from there, it was always going to be hard.

A.F.C. up next, this is where we have to stand up and be counted.

:) :) :)

maccawozzagod 13-01-2013 11:39

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Peter Murphy is our least experienced defender with around 87 Football League appearances, and has been with the club through 'relegation fights' before. Belford, Hunt, Wilson and Winnard all have over 100 Football League games each. I'm not having it that they are inexperienced. Its time they and the others further forward started to put in a shift and get us out of this trouble.

Much of this current squad need to realise that if they are employed by Accrington Stanley its because few other clubs want them ... we are their meal tickets and if they don't keep us in the Football League this season then they'll need to start looking for postman jobs.

Sort it now or sod off whilst we can still replace you.

yonmon 13-01-2013 11:51

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In his post-match summary Paul Stephenson stressed on a couple of occasions the possibility that a 'fragile mentality' exists within the Squad....If this is the case, can I suggest that a reversal of this situation and the instilling of more self-belief in his players might well be a task beyond our Manager's experience, and will require more specialist intervention ?.
Is it not also true that a lack of self-belief in one's abilities quickly diminishes the motivation and will to achieve one's goals ?.
Are we therefore doomed to watch the gradual demise of The Reds due to something deeper than a mere lack of 'basic' footballing skills ?...or is there a 'someone' who can and will recognize where the true problems lie and breathe new life into our ailing team ?..
Like all true Stanley Fans.... I sincerely hope so !.


football19 13-01-2013 13:54

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Macca I understand what you are saying and yesterday the defence wasn't the problem,indeed they looked ok,there goals were mistakes,the first was a near post corner that Wilson,under no pressure, headed it back to the taker , instead of heading clear and the second was a lucky flick on from beatties man The inexperience was in central areas,were normally games are won/lost,
Joyce and miller are doing the same job and Molly has been an attacking fullback all his life,he's not a winger,along with Hatfield,who's not a winger,more of an attacking central mid.
Saying that,the squad we have,we may have to adopt this policy,and don't mind losing as long as the players give there all,yesterday some,in my opinion,went missing.
Ps sorry to the bloke who had to listen to my observations all game,I just get carried away !!!

maccawozzagod 13-01-2013 14:12

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Originally Posted by football19 (Post 1036867)
Macca I understand what you are saying and yesterday the defence wasn't the problem,indeed they looked ok,there goals were mistakes...


same every week though F19, not many teams are beating us by scoring great goals.

Revived Red 13-01-2013 14:35

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Originally Posted by football19 (Post 1036839)
Although I cant recall our keeper making a save(they only had three shots on target),he was at fault for there second goal,as he came for a cross and didn't get there(aka joe hart!!).

Well I can recall him making two superb saves. The first was a superb tip over the bar in the first half; the second was a courageous dive at the near post in the second half.

Quote:

Originally Posted by football19 (Post 1036839)
Think leam,is trying to rebuild the team,starting from the back

Why? I thought we had a reasonable team, starting from the back. The only problem area was right back.

Revived Red 13-01-2013 14:46

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Originally Posted by football19 (Post 1036867)
Macca I understand what you are saying and yesterday the defence wasn't the problem,indeed they looked ok,there goals were mistakes,the first was a near post corner that Wilson,under no pressure, headed it back to the taker , instead of heading clear and the second was a lucky flick on from beatties man The inexperience was in central areas,were normally games are won/lost,
Joyce and miller are doing the same job and Molly has been an attacking fullback all his life,he's not a winger,along with Hatfield,who's not a winger,more of an attacking central mid.
Saying that,the squad we have,we may have to adopt this policy,and don't mind losing as long as the players give there all,yesterday some,in my opinion,went missing.
Ps sorry to the bloke who had to listen to my observations all game,I just get carried away !!!

This latest post makes me wonder even more why Leam wants to "rebuild from the back". The management team should decide how they want ASFC to play, and then try to find players to suit that system if we do not already have them. It seems to me that we have only one winger and he never gets a game - Chippendale. In the meantime we put players on the wing who are simply not wingers - you have named Moly and Hatfield; but the same applies to Charlie Barnett and Rommy.

I agree with Macca - I just don't buy into this "inexperience" excuse.

football19 13-01-2013 15:07

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RR I would imagine, in my opinion, a sensible way forward is to get the foundations (defence), solid and clean sheets will follow.We just are not scoring enough goals to think otherwise.
Regarding the keepers top saves,one he helped over the bar instead of risking catching it !,and the other was a block,which is what he gets paid for.
Seeing as we were the away team,I wouldn't call that over worked !!!.
It makes a mockery of people dismissing mcconvilles efforts the other season,I bet we haven't had 13 shots from midfield,let alone 13 goals!!,opps,should have posted that on another thread lol

maccawozzagod 13-01-2013 15:17

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the difference was that McCon-vile was playing in a good attacking team that was built to play to its strengths. A non-lazy arsed, non-nephew sort of a player could have scored 20-30 from that position

accybeme 13-01-2013 15:51

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a lot of good posts made
but enough of his unlucky this and unlucky that, the position we now find us in, is one we have all secretly anticipated from midway through the season we have the lowest attendances in the league,
hence as has been made clear time & time again our manager which at the present time is Leam is doing his best with limited resources, I can’t see whoever was our manager they would be doing more to achieve greater success for our club, with the money we have to offer players and the prospect of our future success who can we reasonably expect to attract, chicken before egg, egg before chicken is irrelevant we cannot expect any manager to exceed to a promotion challenge with such limited resources,
indeed to stay in the football league itself presents a big challenge, although I like most other fans have at times found thing to criticise decisions that Leam have been made, we do so mainly without the full Knowledge & implications known by our manager, personally I’ve found Beatie’s influence on the team a negative factor and admit to shouting rubbish when he not subbed in the match against Dagenham.
to make a start on building for the future we need to attract more supporters, and with the older supporters dying out, we need to attract the youngsters, would it not pay in the long term interests of the club to extend the under 12’s entrance fee of a £1 to all those under seventeen, keeping a regular volume of young attenders vital for the long time survival of our club

DaveinGermany 13-01-2013 16:00

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Catch 22 - reduce prices to encourage support - less money available for players - less money players go elsewhere - less prolific players more defeats - no one wants to see a side constantly showing poorly / losing, fans walk ! - Club back to lack of money. :( And the process goes on anon !

It's difficult to call or see a solution to the ongoing problems & better men than me are trying.

football19 13-01-2013 16:32

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Must admit,in a funny sort of way, I am looking forward to the rest of the season,something to play for,a lot of twists and turns,highs and lows,at least it will be interesting right upto the last game !!!

smobile 13-01-2013 18:45

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The board need to back Leam now and invest in the team. If we go down, I can't see us ever getting back in the League. Staying up this year, will only equal winning the conference - It's the same prize!!

Staying up is easier than winning the conference.

I am sure the powers that be read this forum, so lets have some answers.

Brian Hughes has said he is still looking for a club

Have we asked him?

Do we want him?

Does he want too much money?

There must be someone out there to give Leam some help.

Keith Hill / Stan Ternent - management advice
Paul Mullin - helping to show the strikers where the onion bag is

yonmon 13-01-2013 18:51

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Originally Posted by football19 (Post 1036884)
Must admit,in a funny sort of way, I am looking forward to the rest of the season,something to play for,a lot of twists and turns,highs and lows,at least it will be interesting right upto the last game !!!

Don't know whether or not my nervous disposition will actually allow me to 'look forward' to the rest of the Roller Coaster ride !....but YES it will be vairy interestink !!.

Wynonie Harris 13-01-2013 19:04

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Originally Posted by football19 (Post 1036884)
Must admit,in a funny sort of way, I am looking forward to the rest of the season,something to play for,a lot of twists and turns,highs and lows,at least it will be interesting right upto the last game !!!

That's the sort of "interesting" I could without! I would much, much prefer to be in a boring mid-table position with nothing much to play for for the rest of the season. It's all very well having "something to play for", but the consequences of not achieving that "something" do not bear thinking about. As smobile says, if we do go out, we'll never get back. :eek:

lancsdave 13-01-2013 19:10

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Originally Posted by football19 (Post 1036877)
It makes a mockery of people dismissing mcconvilles efforts the other season,I bet we haven't had 13 shots from midfield,let alone 13 goals!!,opps,should have posted that on another thread lol


You never know, he could be available in a few days ;)

football19 15-01-2013 12:10

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Just trying to pick the bones out of our recent form and went back 12 months ago when we played Aldershot away(coleys last game and proccy didnt travel/signed for preston).
We played a 4-2-3-1 system then,but on saturday went 4-4-2.
Are we playing two up top to assist Beattie?,therefore sacrificing a defensive central midfielder.
Aldershot on saturday played a young 6-4 centre back in a midfield holding role,
despite it only being his second game,did a good job(no shots on target)
Twelve months ago,we got a 0-0 draw,and murph did the same job for us (replacing proccy).
My point is,especially away from home,we need to be hard to beat,as the onus is on the home side to force the pace.
I am stuck a little on this,as i dont feel we can play Beattie up top on his own(not as mobile as he use to be!!)
I cant see us doing much playing 4-4-2,as we havent real width,and now we have got two experienced fullbacks,we could go a bit narrower and get around Beattie,what do others think??

Fourth official 15-01-2013 12:29

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Been saying for a while,Miller and Joyce can't play together,unfortunately Miller seems to be the scapegoat at times,due to the armband!!.And would give Dixon a go in front of back four until we get a centre half sorted,to possibly free Murphy to play the role in front of the back four.

shakermaker 15-01-2013 12:55

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We just need to be more smart tactically; knowing our limitations and playing to our strengths.

We have experienced full backs signed on now in Hunt and Wilson as well as wide players who know how to defend in Linny and Moly. Joyce is good at mopping up and ought to be employed to do just that - his limitations have been found in conjuring play out of nothing. Boco is creative and difficult to play against when given a free role so stick him behind the front two - I can't say he's best used on the wing. Hatfield is a clever forward who gets in the right areas (there was a reason for his series of late goals last season, it wasn't coincidence). Podge will run all day and is good in the air for a smaller chap. Him and Will caused Fylde no end of problems and regardless of the 'lesser' oppo, a good partnership is something to develop.


Belford
Hunt Winnard Murphy Wilson
Joyce
Lindfield ______________ Molyneux
Boco
Hatfield Amond
Dixon has been impressive as an impact sub but I'm not sure on his credentials for a starting place. Let's face it, as captain Joyce will not be dropped. Rightly or wrongly.

Exile on Spencer St 15-01-2013 13:04

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I've only just emerged from a darkened room after Stanley's performance, but, regarding your earlier post Football19, I think I may have been the guy sitting behind you, and was more than happy to hear your outbursts. If only we'd seen as much thought and passion on the field!
Aldershot on saturday played a young 6-4 centre back in a midfield holding role, despite it only being his second game,did a good job(no shots on target)
As for Beattie, their young CB had him in his pocket all day but some of his tactics would have been stopped by a different referee. I lost count the number of times he clobbered Beattie with a leading forearm. Paradoxically, had Stanley not had a 'celebrity' striker, we may well have got a few more free kicks. Not that we seem to know what to do with them when we get 'em.
as we haven't real width,and now we have got two experienced fullbacks,we could go a bit narrower and get around Beattie,what do others think??[/QUOTE]
Clearly, Football19, you know more about the tactics of the modern game than I but, for what it's worth, my view is that going narrower is exactly the opposite to what Stanley need to try. We haven't width because we don't make the pitch wide. Both teams were so narrow that Aldershot could have let half the pitch out as allotments.
I can only presume that the players are being told to crowd together like we all had to do in a primary school teams when couldn't kick the ball more than 10 yards.
With professional players I wonder whether that negative approach reveals a greater fear of the what the opposition can do to you if you give them space, rather than a belief in the damage you can do to them if you receive the ball in space.
Stanley have never won a game this season when they've conceded the first goal. The logic of that statistic is they should go all out and attack, not simply try to contain. Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result is one definition of madness.
My non-technical and rather simplistic thoughts are that, if Stanley are to make the most of Beattie's and others' abilities, they need to get behind defences quickly, and cut the ball back in where players can attack the ball whilst also moving in a direction that takes them closer to the opponent's goal.
Even if they lose and go down, I would rather see Stanley be much more attacking, much quicker, and much 'wider' (if that means using the wings) than have to watch another performance like Saturday's.
Is it light outside yet?

football19 15-01-2013 13:56

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Nice to put a face to a name Exile,and yes i do get a little carried away now and again!!.
I understand what your saying about width,but any fullback will tell you,its easier to pick up a man who stays wide,as hes less likely to pop up anywhere else!!.
Quite like shakers team,but a lot of teams now are adopting 4-1-3-2 system,and the width comes from fullbacks joining in.
Man Utd are an example of this,the holding player allows the cbs to split and the fullbacks push on.
this means there still solid in the middle and also have width,with the holding player nearly another cb.
At Wigan they favour 3-4-3 which is how it ends up !!
My only bit of concern on saturday(sorry for bending exiles ears !),was beattie was reluctant to turn bad balls into good ones,at this level your going to get more bad than good!!,were podge and boco to be fare chase everything.
That in mind i would play 4-3-3 with 4-1-4-1 when defending,podge and bocco working hard to get up with beattie

Redraine 15-01-2013 19:05

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All this talk of tactics leaves me cold. Just train and train the guys to shoot with accuracy and/or power when under pressure, or even when not under pressure, as that doesn't seem to make any difference! If they did, perhaps our 3 shots on Saturday would have won us the match.

football19 15-01-2013 19:24

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Unfortunately redraine,it's a big part of the modern game (along with sports science).The game has become like chess, as teams are very similar in terms of fitness,so your looking for any advantage.
The days of thundering sliding tackles are gone,indeed you can win the ball and still get penalised!!!.
I sometimes think it does get boring as teams cancel each other out,and very few chances are created.
Indeed,set pieces and corners are now premium,then again I will leave the corners debate along lol

maccawozzagod 15-01-2013 19:28

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Games that impress me the most are ones when a team will harry and press the instant they lose the ball, giving no time for the opposition to play football. The crap Stanley sides of 2006/07/08 did that reasonably well and were blessed with far less talent than this current side.

Indeed England used to do this with fair success. The unfortunate semi-final and quarter final defeats of the 90's were much to do with chasing every cause lost or otherwise.

football19 15-01-2013 20:12

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Barcelona (not a bad team),utilise what they call the ten second rule.This is similar to what your saying macca,on the odd occasion they lose possession,at least six players chase and close down the opposition/ball for ten seconds.
If they don't regain possession (which is rare!),they drop back into there defensive formation.
We have played our best football when we make the pitch smaller when we don't have possession , and large when we do.
Easier said that done,and you have to be supremely fit.

maccawozzagod 15-01-2013 20:14

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Originally Posted by football19 (Post 1037145)
and you have to be supremely fit.

well the teaching of tactics and formations doesn't seem to be reaping much dividend, I say get 'em up and down Whinney Hill a few times a day :hesoff:

Revived Red 15-01-2013 21:12

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Originally Posted by football19 (Post 1037136)
Unfortunately redraine,it's a big part of the modern game (along with sports science).The game has become like chess, as teams are very similar in terms of fitness,so your looking for any advantage.
The days of thundering sliding tackles are gone,indeed you can win the ball and still get penalised!!!.
I sometimes think it does get boring as teams cancel each other out,and very few chances are created.
Indeed,set pieces and corners are now premium,then again I will leave the corners debate along lol

I'm definitely with Redraine on this one. I just don't see how the ability to create an extra yard of space (Suarez/van Persie/Hernandez etc) or the ability to weight a pass (Gerrard/Carrick/Scholes etc) has any connection with formation. I would rather know that players are training to improve these individual skills (and shooting!) rather than trying to fit into some imposed formation. Did I mention dribbling?:confused:

Redraine 15-01-2013 21:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by football19 (Post 1037145)
Barcelona (not a bad team),utilise what they call the ten second rule.This is similar to what your saying macca,on the odd occasion they lose possession,at least six players chase and close down the opposition/ball for ten seconds.
If they don't regain possession (which is rare!),they drop back into there defensive formation.
.

Same as what Swansea do - see, I'm not quite the dinosaur you think I am.
You can keep your "modern game", though, with all the cheating, diving, preening and pathetic Twitter posting going on. Maybe I should be banned to the Rochdale Fans Forum where they are all disillusioned by Coley and Jimmy's behaviour on the touchline and the cheating regime they are accused of encouraging, with a certain Mr Grant allegedly to the fore:-
FansNetwork/RochdaleAFC.com - Forum | I bloody hate this lot !! by TalkingSutty

maccawozzagod 15-01-2013 22:22

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seems like Coleys getting a hard time again.

What price for Knill back to Rochdale, Coley back to Accy and a repeat of the 2010/11 season for both clubs next season?

choirboy 16-01-2013 21:33

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Got to agree with Exile on Spencer Street about wingers getting behind full backs...I have said on a variety of threads for months that this is what we need. Wingers who can beat their opposing full backs.....get to the goal line close in to the near post.....then pull the ball back towards the penalty spot for players to run on to.
This neutralises the keeper and big centre backs in the opposing defence. We did it really succesfully a few years ago with the likes of Dean Calcutt, Rory Prendergast and Russ Payne then also Gary Roberts and more recently with Bobby Grant. At the moment we don't have players who try to beat the full back in this way, apart from Rommy and Moly. However, most of our attacks are very predictable and yes...we do not exploit Beatties talent in the box. Podge would certainly do better with this tactic, rather than having him chase hopeful balls out towards the corner flags as he has had to do recently.
Get more ball to Rommy and the likes of Moly, wide down the wings, in order to take the full backs on the outside as well as occasionally on their inside to shoot.
....Aren't we on the terraces all brilliant tactical managers though eh??!!

Chimer 17-01-2013 21:44

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Saturday was a bad loss to a poor team. We didn't look bad for about 10 minutes after half-time, but momentum petered out when we failed to beat the first defender from corners 3 times in 2 minutes.

I thought Beattie won a lot of first touches from the hoofball tactic, but there was no-one anywhere near picking up the flick-ons. He also got the one vaguely hopeful attempt on goal from a Moly cross latish on. But his overall contribution dropped off from about 70 mins on.

Dixon and Carver added a bit of freshness and Dixon even posed a bit of a threat occasionally, but a point looked out of reach well before the second goal went in.

We have a slump like this every season - this one needs to stop pretty soon. After Chesterfield I thought we might be pretty safe by the end of January - shows what I know!


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