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Will this be a damage limitation exercise, bearing in mind the 3 home games coming up which are "must wins", or do we go all out for the 3 points we really need on the board?

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Don't reckon we can afford a damage limitation wi our goal difference.? Got to go fer it simple as i think.

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It's quite common for football management teams to break the season down into banks of 6 or 8 games and treat each bank as a mini league with points targets for each game as part of a wider approach to game management over the season. The training and tactical routines can then be focused on the way to approach specific games e.g set pieces, certain tactical subtleties etc

Would be interesting to know if our management team adopt this approach as if they did, I would suspect that they would have this down as a nil return. They would never divulge the targets to the players as would always outwardly motivate the players to win games. If they did have it as a nil return, they may then view the game as an opportunity to try one or two things out. For example, start Linganzi, experiment with Gray and Boco upfront as a pair etc. in what they see as small risk as part of a bigger games management plan.

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Agree with previous post, definitely start Linganzi, and we definitely need to get Boco further up the field where he is most dangerous, and rather than an experiment I think Boco and Gray could be a really mobile, lively and formidable partnership.

Saturday is going to be really tough but it's not going to make or break our season, there's plenty of points to play for.

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Think everyone reckons Linganzi is worth a shot Frank, Lets hope Leam does also.

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Come-on you know Leam will not be treating any of our remaining games as a lost cause, and anyway the recent Northampton wins have been by the odd goal over our rivals at the bottom the league, we are due a bit of luck going our way after the debacle by the officials on Saturday,

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Quite confident we can get something from the game on Saturday. A point will feel like three. A bit like a cup-tie where they will be overwhelming favourites, but it's all about the eleven on the field (and a decent ref for once).

They may be on a run of 7 straight wins at home, but we also have an impressive statistic..................

We have NEVER lost a game, when Redraine has started the thread :D

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Points are in the bag then smobile:D

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No pressure then .............

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They are very dangerous from corners/free kicks/long throws,and have some good ariel presence.
For me its key we hold an high line and limit corners etc..as i am not convinced our keeper will come and help out.
If we start 4-4-2 i will be holding my breath,i would have gone similar to Torquay on saturday with two holding players and Linganzi in front of them.
They are powerful down the middle so i would force them to go around us,and our fullbacks are playing well,so it would create a bit of a problem for them.
Bocco/moly and Linganzi in the three (tucked in) and Gray or Beattie up top.
Murph and Joycy holding for me

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I would take a draw now, with the the way they have been playing at home.

My XI

...................Rachubka..............
Hunt...Winnard.....Aldred......Wilson
....................Murphy..............
Boco.........Linganzi............Molyneux
...........Gray.............Beattie........

Subs
Dawber
Hatfield
Carver
Miller
Clarke
Barnett
Joyce



Ive been watching this club since 1995, and honestly football19 you really must be watching a different game to me if you think Joyce should play.

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I agree captain or not, he was dreadful on sat. and as not been playing that well fer awhile in my view.

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But F19 doesn't say holding what ! ;)

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Smudgie I have watched a bit of football in my time!,and as you say it's about opinions,yours varies from mine(although your latest team is very similar).Take Joycy,he's a good player,but since Proccy left his role in the team has changed.
Don't think the captains arm band as done in any favours,and he will admit he's not the most vocal.
He is a link type player,comfortable in possession and plays better in a three.
I did say in earlier posts most younger players run out of steam in there first season and that's what happen to Miller(really rate him).
Joycy has had to cope with all this chopping and changing around him as well as trying to set an example.
I think in one of Cookys games ,we had five loanees,which again didn't help him.
All players have poor games,but he's a good player,and a strong character,and that's what we need at the moment.
Most supporters judge players when we have the ball and fail to recognise the work they do when the opposition have it ( excluding shaker!!)and Joycy does work hard.
Linganzi(who I rate),tried to dribble out of defence,gave the ball away in a bad area,only for Hunt to get him out of jail,nobody has commented on that!!!,

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Was that just once? And Joyce never does? Ho ho ho!

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Done get me wrong,he looks a good prospect,but Joyce has played more games this season than minutes he's been on the pitch !!!

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Hi Cashy !!....Apart from 'Good to see you back'... A little thought !!..do you think that relieving Luke Joyce of the Captain's armband might just be the catalyst for more inspired and effective performances from a midfield player who is as good a footballer as any at The Store First Stadium ??.
In my opinion he doesn't really have the stature to fulfill the 'Skipper' role,,,but does have the skill and nous to win and distribute the ball to good effect !....perhaps in Luke's case the two just don't gel !...who can say ?.

Better he leads by skill than by example at this stage of the season would you think ??...:cool:

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I dont like repeating what I said on the Torquay thread, but a point would be an ok result.
Never a fan of any team under any circumstance going into a game for anything less than 3 points, but if we have to settle for a point, then it keeps our total creeping upto 50 and it keeps a load of other teams still in the relegation dogfight.

I really hope he changes the midfield, its more than justified.

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I agree Davo,,but not the personnel ,but playing three in the central area not two !!

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If we use Beattie as an out and out target man, we have got to have a strike partner and and some of the midfielders running beyond him.
Otherwise, football19 is right, we may as well go 3 in the centre of midfield and try to pass our way up the field.

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How can Beattie be used as a target man when he never wins a header outside the box??

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With more numbers in central areas we stand a better chance of passing it up field and therefore more chance of getting it to beatties feet

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A target man is a predator in my book, n his main task is in the box.

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I have to agree. What about passing the armband back to the original captain, Dean Winnard? This does what you want by freeing Luke to do what he does best and be a skilful centre midfielder without the pressure of captaining the team. Thoughts anyone?

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Its worth a try hes doing very little as captain n fer me Dino did nowt wrong in the job. but think joyce needs a rest first.

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The Stanley Spirit ( Part two!)....
Per ardua ad Astra !!.

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Get yourself booked on the coach ;)

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Not sure how this may affect the outcome but, according to FL stats, it's the 'dirtiest' against the 'cleanest' teams on Saturday. Let's hope the officials are up to it.

The Football League | Stats | Club Discipline

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Agree wi yonmon, the standard of officials is very poor imho, we had 2/3 good uns all season at the Crown.:eek:

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A Mean, Moody, and total Hatrack !!.

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Isn't really strange how all referees are knobs -world wide??? :)

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anyone know if the international clearance required for Jeffers to play has been granted yet

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Well it aint normally granted during the night.:D

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I guess thats a no then Cashy but with the dfferent time zone the tranfer document will be probably sent in the middle of the night

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Think its up to a certain time today to be valid fer the game?:confused:

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Originally Posted by accybeme http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...s/viewpost.gif
I guess thats a no then Cashy but with the dfferent time zone the tranfer document will be probably sent in the middle of the night

The plot thickens as Cashy responds thus...
"Think its up to a certain time today to be valid fer the game?:confused:".....

Now I wonder why would Cashy want to hide this vital data from Accybeme and the rest of us ??.... Don't you just love a good mystery !!.;)

( ps. For the more sensitive amongst us this query is purely rhetorical and must not be seen as a slur on Cashman's impeachable character !)

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Hiding sod all, i aint sure just think thats the case.:D

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;) !!.

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jeffers on bench, lindfield and lingazi in, joyce and beattie miss out!! big decisions.

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Today's 11.......

Accrington Stanley

:) :)

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Good, clearance has obviously come through fer jeffers, Will probably start against Fleetwood? Going off last sat, can't disgree wi the omissions, well pleased Lingazis in the frame today. cheers TomD.

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Is Beattie injured or just dropped, sorry rested?

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My guess is rested fer Tuesday?

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well suited dinos back as captain n billy bunters on the bench fer northants.

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Sorry Cashy, I would not have started Amine today. I think that we need to be hard to beat today and Amine is best placed to play at home, against the teams around us, that we need to beat - just my opinion and come full time, you will be right ;) :D

:) :) :)

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Maybe he is not eligible until after 16:00 hrs :D

:) :) :)

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1 down and Hunt booked already, I'm off.......... :(

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Atwell is at it again it seems.:(

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Had a great game for Fulham against us !! once Danny Murphy got in his ear.

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2-0 :eek:

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looks like I'll win the correct score then 2-1 to northhampton:D

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Looks like i am first back,so here's my slant on today's game.Firstly,apologies to Exile and RR for my moaning,I am not usually like that.
We started again 4-4-2,with grey leading the line and Bocco off him,moly and Linney out wide,murph and Linganzi in the middle.
The first half was crap,with both teams unable to string any passes together,but in the second half,Acci were by far the better team.
Main differences were they had a 6-5 centre forward,who was good in the air,we had a centre forward who never won a challenge or header !.
They had a keeper who caught everything when under pressure,we had a keeper-------,I will leave it at that.
The defence worked hard,and they never really got goal side of us resulting in our keeper not having to make a save.
The two goals conceded were once again a joke.
First one,a free kick.normally the keeper sets a wall to protect one half of the goal and he covers the other half.
Not ours,he stands in the middle and the lad justs blasts it in the keepers side.
The second,the keeper has the ball in hand and just drop kicks it against there forward!,un-believable,as both teams and the ref turned away and were running up field!!!,
So people don't think I am getting paranoid about the keeper,has anybody seen him make a save since getting in the team?,I have seen him get sent off,mis-kick and drop balls,but I can't recall any wonder,point saving saves.
Rant over,positives,Back four contained them andWilson wax excellent.
Linganzi,after a slow start,grew into the game and looked good and Jeffers looked up for it,bring on Tuesday.
Ps,Bavo was on the bench----please get those gloves on.

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Does anyone know what sorta injury the young lad Dawber has got?:confused: By the way do yeh think young carvers effort was oer the line? Dan couldn't tell he said.

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Couldn't really tell cashy,although I thought we should have scored.Beattie and Jeffers up top for me,Joycy in for Murph,lids at fullback(if fit) and Wilson in midfield------ and Bavs in goal !!!

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I can go wi Beattie n Jeffers, Liddle also at full back, aint convinced Joyce, who fer me has been way off form lately, unless captaincy is too much fer him, though can't expect yeh to comment on that aspect,:) If Bav is fit n Rabs aint doin it then fair enough.

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change to 3-5-2 with jeffers and beattie up front;) get them chances they will score.

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No doubt at all about that, But all strikers need good service n thats our problem at the moment imho.

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It was noticeable how difficult Gray found it to make any impact on the game. But since its well known how physically imposing Northampton are, you have to question why we play such a slight lad up front by himself, he was on a hiding to nothing. Might as well have started with Carver, at least he has a bit more muscle to him. That said (and this is an observation made from very limited evidence) Jeffers showed Gray how to do it when he came on, some very sharp runs that started to pull their back line around, a pity that no-one could put him through. If Jeffers does start to play regularly, we have to maximise his strengths, no good just pumping high balls up to him.

As for their goals, the first was just blasted in with embarassing ease, and then Rachubka makes a poor clearance, but was definitely barged off the ball, other refs would have given that in an instant. It's true that we did start to come into it in the second half, but this in part was down to them dropping deeper and defending what they had. Only late in the game did our full-backs get into a position to cross the ball. We barely won a header in their box all afternoon, hardly surprising given they were all half a foot taller.

The pitch was very poor, but that only partly excuses our inability to keep possession. I noticed that we did try to improvise later in the second half by going through the centre a bit more, but this worthy strategy was undermined by poor passing. Gray got a sniff once but was hustled off the ball, and Moly at least got a shot away towards the end that Nicholls (who commanded his box superbly) got a fingertip on.

There was no denying the workrate, but it seems to me that we are letting ourselves down with the basics. On the upside, in Wilson, Deano and Aldred we have the makings of a decent defensive line, and Linganzi does look like a talent if we can again harness the strengths that he brings to the team. It did look also as if Carver was unlucky not to be awarded a goal, if it wasn't over the line it was extremely marginal.

Have a good evening everyone

Phil

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I struggle to make these long trips any more and wasn't there today, but I must echo Football 19's reservations about our keeper, whom I have been uneasy about from the time he came in. I think it is a great pity that we didn't manage to hang on to Belford who looked in a different league ( Oh, he is of course!), but am really hoping Bavs is ready to resume on Tuesday. 12 months ago I couldn't have believed that I could ever say that but he has been a different player this season!

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Even i can't dispute that redraine.:D

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I am honestly of the opinion Jeffers will make the difference on our run in.

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all in all a good take on the game but I do not agree with you that the ball had crossed the line, I was sitting in the bottom corner of the stand nearest to the goal line and no way did the whole of the ball cross the goal line

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Well my two pence worth.

First 45 minutes was pretty much a disaster with the exception of Linganzi who I thought had a very good full debut (Northampton fans didnt stop asking me about him in the pub afterwards). He looked great on the ball and im hoping he is up for the fight to keep us up.

As others have said Rachubka had a shocker and the defence seem to have zero confidence in the lad which is quite surprising considering how many games and clubs he has played for. I take it Dawber is injured which is why Bav's was on the bench yesterday??? As much as Bav's is an absolute clown, this season was his best by a country mile and im hoping he maybe back to galvanise the lads for the last few games.

Gray up front didnt have a chance on his own against the likes of Clarke Carlisle, and he seemed to spend most of the time on the floor. It was the only the introduction of Jeffers and Hatfield in the last 10 minutes did the game really change, with both making some great runs and showing some touches. I would start them both Tuesday.

Linfield was nowhere near fit, so I really dont have clue why he started, he looked knackered after 10 minutes. ! Very poor decision by Leam.

Oh another shocking ex premier league ref in Atwell, no wonder he got binned off the elite list, absolute clown. All in all, I didnt expect much, and we got nothing. But make no mistake this week will make or break not only our season, but our future as a club.

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The one area that's not been mentioned was the pitch,it was in terrible condition and really suited there direct approach.Only Linganzi looked comfortable in possession and both teams seemed wary of the bounce.
Jeffers movement ,in the short time on looked good(and by movement,I mean NOT running round like a chicken with no head!!!).
Thought at times we missed Joyce's link play and hope he comes back fired up on Tuesday

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Staggering, Absolutely Staggering !!!

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(Missed Joyce’s link play)
I’ve also missed it for just about a full season

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Make that two season's !

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Go on then smudgie,who linked play yesterday?,

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Linganzi was twice the player yesterday Joyce has been all season.

You are in the minority if you think Joyce should be starting in that side im afraid.

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It makes me wonder. If referees are demoted from the elite list, why are they still considered to be good enough for the likes of us?

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The clue was in my question Smudgie.You don't have a link player in a 4-4-2(two wide men set up).
Didn't say Joyce's recent performances warranted a place (debatable tho).
If you have read my previous posts,I would play 4-3-3 with the link man in the central three.
Going back to what I said "at times we missed Joyce's link play",and as he performed that role in our best ever season,he can obviously play that role.
To be successful at 4-4-2,you need a very good defensive midfielder and two over-lapping/attacking fullbacks,so if play breaks down the defensive mid is disciplined to allow one cb to fill in.
We just do not have any top wingers IMHO so if we still want two up top,then it's 4-1-3-2 for me,with Joycy the link !

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His decision sent our younger fans from full voiced vocal euphoric support to a crowd of non-stop blaspheming dunderheads

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Stop to think WHY Joyce was great in our best ever season 2 years ago????

He had Proccy and that half decent player Jimmy Ryan alongside him thats why!! He is a good Stopper and breaks up play and nothing more. If you look back at my blog's a while back I was a big Joyce fan a couple of years ago, I think I even said he was our Claude Makalele, high praise if there ever was. I dont have a one man vendetta against him, everybody that stands on the Clayton End or travels to away games says the same.

But the simple facts are, he has not been good enough this season and deserves to be benched. SIMPLE.

Rooney doesn't perform for Man U, what happens?? Fergie drops him, Done, and im not just referring to the Madrid game last week.

We are in the fight of our lives, not only for the season, but the club's future and we simply cannot afford to keep picking players who are not performing. Agreed 100% with Leam to play Linganzi yesterday, who it turns out was our best player by some distance.

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Yep smudgie,
wouldn’t it be great to have a player with the ball striking ability of Ryan

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Smudgie,I think we will agree to disagree.If you think Joycy is a ball winning midfielder,then we will leave it at that.(known him from being a lad at wigan,and he's never been that !)
Jimmy Ryan made him look good?,think it was the system we played suited his game,along with jimmy s.
Remember on a few occasions,Ryan being asked to play wing/stay wide,and he wasn't half as effective as he was in the three.
Your right,I don't watch the game from behind the goals as you see a different
slant on the game(see the width as against the length)
As normal it's all about opinions,and ours seem to differ.

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Just for your reference smudgie,Rooney had a blinder the game before Madrid!!

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Did I say, im not talking about the Madrid saga???!

Your constant disagreement with my posts over the the last few years has become boring.

Enjoy wearing your Joyce is god shirt with red tinted specs.


Goodbye.

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Point I was making about Rooney was against Madrid,it was about shape and tactics,not who's the best player,and wellbeck did a decent job on Alonso.Just because I don't agree with a lot of your posts doesn't mean I am right or wrong,it's called debating,which is key to good forums.

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You are obviously an intelligent bloke, Football19, but I really can't understand your support for Joyce. For longer than I can remember his contribution has almost wholly consisted of passing the ball sideways and backwards, and even I could manage that! He can't beat a man, gives the ball away a lot, and snatches at his scoring chances. Oh yes,he gets in his share of headers, but they hardly ever find a team mate. Apparently, apart from all that, he's not bad playing in a system which suits him, whatever that may be.

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I have to agree Joyce aint done a great deal all season from what i have seen, in fact hes been dire, if its the captaincy weighing heavy on him,i don't know,:confused:I would like to think thats the case, cos i aint anti joyce , But i won't sulk at yeh football19.:D

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Joycy is a decent player,but has struggled this season to make a impression in a two man midfield (central).Generally,these type of players are tough uncompromising types,with a good work ethic(doggers),as playing with two wide men,you tend to go down the channels via the fullbacks.
You normally need these types as your generally out-numbered in central areas.
To be fair,he has good technique and generally likes to play one-two touch,but our two up top,direct approach,just doesn't suit him IMHO.
He's definitely our best link player,and suits a 4-3-3(my preferred set up)
He is also one of the fittest players on the books.
If his replacement has a worldy,then I will hold my hands up!!!,but for now,I would have him in,and tinker with our set up,say 4-1-3-2

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As you yerself say football19, He has struggled this season, So we agree on summat.:D I am not knocking his fitness, But fer whatever reason he aint been suitable fer the system this term, So that leaves just 2 options as i see it, (1) Leave him out, or (2) Change the team play to suit 1 player.:rolleyes:

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Luke Joyce is the type of player that either goes unnoticed in a good team or gets victimised in a team playing poorly, such is his position and natural style. Manchester United were referenced earlier in this thread and continuing the metaphor - Joyce is to us as Carrick is to them. He does not battle and tackle, nor does he burst into the opposition 18 yard box; rather he mops up loose balls and turns play over to the forward-advancing players.
I believe he is unfairly criticised for failing to do a job he is not employed to do. In my opinion, the lack of forward movement in our team this year is the main reason for the seeming saturation of sideways and backwards passes by LJ. The reason for the lack of movement is that we have no real widemen with pace, another contributory factor is that one of our most creative players (Rommy Boco) has oft been plonked on the wing to make up for the lack in width.
With a ball winning midfield player alongside him (which Murphy can become but isn't the finished article yet) and attacking midfield players in front of him who move smartly, Joyce would be seen at the start of every positive move, I'm sure of it. In the absence of these all-too-valuable commodities, Leam Richardson has tried his best to employ one of our most reliable midfielders in a way which benefits the team but this has been difficult.
I'm not saying LJ should start every game; indeed I called for Linganzi to start in his place at Northampton as LJ's performance against Torquay was that of a jaded player. I'd be interested to see how Joyce, Linganzi and Murphy worked together in a midfield three with Beatts, Gray and Wing-nut (Jeffers) up top.

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As always Shaker,a great post and your points are spot on,good read

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datAgree with that F19...But I don't know if you'll agree with me when I repeat my opinion that whatever the system he's been asked to play in, plus the fact that he never appears to be made of what is loosely described as 'Captain material' , LJ has attempted to give of his best as possibly the best equipped footballer at the Club and this has recently drained him to the point where he has been unable to keep up with the contributions which we all know he is capable of !.

I hope that he soon recovers from his obvious dip in form because one thing is for sure, a fit and able Luke Joyce WILL be needed before the drama of Stanley's 2013 is finally played out.