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How far away in your opinion, are Stanley from building the club to a level where we could be competitive in a national cup and regulars in the premier league?

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Wigan were similar to acci in the late nineties , then along came Dave whelan,rest is history,never stop dreaming !!!:)

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True, Dave Whelan helped them grow beyond recognition.

But surely its a model, an example, a story we can aspire to?

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But it was or still is a predominantly rugby town.
Where Accy is a football town.

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Little Accy was a football town until 1962 happened, Generations of support were lost cos of no team,fact, As fer how far away, its a case of how nears a multi-millionaire thats willing? no-one can answer that un i think?

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Yeah.:wave8:

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I think your right, but its good the club has a long term ambition to win those potential fans back by its new ticket pricing policy for next season.

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Attendances won't increase a great deal even if you half the price, unless the team are winning.

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A 37,000 population town with a club in the Premier League and playing at Wembley in the FA Cup? Dream on, Davo! ;)

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37,000 of which the vast majority aren't interested for various reasons. Lost generations, a much changed demographic, recession ?

The harsh fact is Stanley are not going to get anywhere on gate money, the revenue has to come from other sources.

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The Wigans come along once in a lifetime in football terms, Wimbledon were probably the only club of recent times to get to the top and win the cup, without multi millionaire backing although there was a guy with a few quid behind them, Sam somebody, forget his last name, but football is about dreams of supporters, but even supports don't matter these days, hence a 5-15pm kick of on a Saturday a week before the end of the season

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It would be interesting to know how much percentage of revenue gate money is for all clubs. I'd be fairly certain few clubs would have it on the list as 'main' revenue

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I saw Northern Premier League Wigan Athletic play a few times at Great Harwood's Showground in the 1970's,then yesterday they were beating the multi billionaires in the FA Cup Final!! :eek: I for one wouldn't like to see our club turned into a Wigan Athletic. I think that most of us on here would have our noses pushed out if we became that successful. We'd be sat in plastic seats in a plastic ground, behind face painted plastic fans who's claim that they'd always supported Stanley even though they only started watching when promotion to the Premiership or Championship was virtually guaranteed.
Our new ground would be near Altham which from my point of view would be bad as i wouldn't be able to walk to the match again. Our players would all be foreigners on stupid salaries and we'd probably end up being sponsored by one of those spiv money lenders or some dodgy gambling firm. I'm not saying some sugar daddy would not be welcome but giving us enough money to flirt with the odd promotion to league 1, even the Championship should be our limit as anything above that would mean us losing our identity!

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Think it will be no clubs Dave

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I think you could be in a minority there winstanley, most football fans would love to wake up on matchday knowing they were going to watch their team playing on their own ground against United, Liverpool. Arsenal or Chelsea that afternoon

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I probably am Jaysay! But when you say PLAYING AGAINST United, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea i think it'd be more like GETTING BEAT BY United, Liverpool,Arsenal or Chelsea!;) I guess i'm just not a fan of Premiership football, if i were i'd have watched Blackburn for all those years they spent in the top flight. :rolleyes:

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Ya but the thing is winstanley I've watched the Rovers from the early 50s, so I've had the full gamut of emotions, from promotion to the 1st division in 58 to relegation in 67, then the ups and downs until Jack Walker came in and changed everything in the early 90s, I can remember the Spurs chairman threatening to report Rovers to the FA because they made a million pound bid to buy Gary Lineker, saying its was frivolous bid, he was just a little red faced when 4 years later Rovers were top of the pile, and far from watch watching the team get beaten by the top teams, they all suffered a bloody nose at the hands of Rovers, I may not have been a fan of the prem if my team hadn't played in it, but if Stanley were to make it, and it ain't imposible, you would be there with bells on:D

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Yes it's true that BRFC enjoyed great days under the ownership of Mr Walker Jaysay, but those days soon vanished when he died in August 2000. His family had no affiliation or connection with Blackburn Rovers, they couldn't wait to offload the club and business that Jack had built up! Which goes to show that if your sugar daddy dies then so does your income to fund "The happy days"!
Would i be there to watch Stanley in the Premiership? Probably yes, but i'd leave the bells at home!;)

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The days ended before 2000 winstanley, Walker hadn't the overall finances to keep it going, but he did leave a huge legacy, he rebuilt the stadium and the training facilities are probably some of the best in the country, and the club was stable under steward ship of John Williams, until the dreaded V word came on the scene, who quite frankly hadn't a clue about how to run a football club and were hood winked into doing things just for a third persons personal gain. The day John Williams left was one of the darkest days in Rovers history, now we're left with a circus and the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing, If they appoint Gary Bowyer as full time manager it will be the most sensible thing they've done, but I'm not holding my breath:rolleyes:

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Why not make shebi Singh the manager?*

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:D:D:DYour having a laugh, nobodies seen him since Appleton went nor Jerome Anderson either, and his son Miles, who Kean signed on saying he was a late starter like Chris Samba now plays for Exeter

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Just back from an unbelievable weekend watching wigan beat city.Loads of debate and banter in the pubs and respect to city fans who have also tasted lower league football not long ago.
Like to make a point on Steve Kean,he is a very knowledgable coach and most of the rubbish posted about him is simply not true.
He was in charge when they got relegated,but Wigan will go the same way this season,is there coach useless ??.
When he got sacked,what was blackburn s league position?,top six I recall.
His biggest mistake was trying to pacify Venkys,but then again they were the owners,so it's catch 22.

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Keans mistake was to publicly slag Sam, after he took us from a place of top half comfort to relegation, they may have been sixth in the league but that was more good luck than management, they were totally in a false position, Steve Kean was a legend in his own lunchtime nothing more nothing less

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Jaysay,your right in one sense that Kean should have kept his thoughts to himself,but I could write a book about big Sam and his lad.

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Was it Steve kean who said David Godwille was the next Wayne Rooney?

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Was it Fergie who said Bebe was the next Ronaldo ! :)Kean,to be fair,gave youth a chance,but eventually paid for it,you don't win anything with kids !!!!

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Nothing wrong with aspiration or inspiration so long as it is treated with realisation

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Revived Red,always respect your posts,but there was a lot of good went on behind the scenes,Like resis's team,who went to old trafford and won league,youth team,etc..,big Sam wasn't interested until Phil Jones popped up.(that was Keans call,believe me).The problem with the first team was caused by senior players not giving a toss about the club,easy to blame the manager.
It's hard to get rid of players that are on big contracts,and they can disrupt everything that's trying to be built,maybe showing some loyalty to Big Sam who made many deals !!!.
Ask people who played under Kean,he knew his football,even Fergie rated him,but players can get the manager sacked,look at Samber,100k a week,all about money and no loyalty

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First of all...
CONGRATUALATIONS TO WIGAN FC ON WINNING THE FA CUP 2012/13.:mosher:
Secondly....
Compare populations, ie possible size of fan base.
2011 Census figures;
Wigan = 317,800 * This could be population of the larger "Urban" area.
Accy = 37,000 * I think Hyndburn larger "Urban" area is about 70,000.
so Wigan do have a much larger possible fan base.
My conclusions;
a) Wigan have done well to be in the Premier League / Nationwide. They have done superbly to win the FA Cup!!
b) Stanley have done well to rebuild and get back into and stay in The Football League.
I hope both clubs continue to be successful
ON STANLEY ON:mosher:

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The simple fact is, with our size of town and catchment area, Div 2 is our "Premier League". Enjoy it!

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If he was such a wonderful coach why hasn't he been snapped up by anybody, in fact he has disappeared from view since he departed Rovers, his post match interviews were pathetic as were his press conferences, as for no loyalty and problems caused by senior players, load of tosh, very few top class player stay around after relegation, but there are money mercenaries, like Samba who no doubt will be off again if somebody comes along with a similar offer from the top flight, Hoilett was already leaving come what may. Kean was out of his depth in management, pushed forward by one mans greed to line his own pockets at the expense of the team, he seems to have disappear also along with the Global Advisor, Barcelona don't even have one of those, Venky's, Kean and Anderson made Rovers a laughing stock, once Venky's go we can start to get back on an even keel, if Venky's stay around they'll have to learn fast that its totally different running a football club than any other business, its call listening to the right football people who have the club at heart

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The senior players played a big part in them getting relegated,and your right they didn't hang around,so surely kean did well to re-built in such a short period,and get them around the top three.Easy to blame the manager,ask Wolves fans and most relegated teams

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As I said you obviously didn't watch Rovers play early season they were abysmal to say the least, how they were ever in the top 6 is a total mystery, Kean was a poor manager fueled my the greed of his agent nothing more nothing less, doubt if he'll ever be a manager again he was well and truly rumbled, There is a big difference between a manager and a coach, you acquire your coaching badges by taking exams, there are no such exams to become a manager, that's why most top managers were not top of the tree as players, Fergie and Wenger are just two of note, not sure Wenger ever played league football at all

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Well most of yer views are normally sensible football19, but this view of Kean the manager,who was a complete useless git fer all the general public to note, is very skewed to put it nicely.:rolleyes: Why on earth do yeh assume the Dingles adopted him?

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not sure that's true Jay, pretty sure you have to have European Coaching Qualifications in order to be a FL manager - although not sure what level you need.

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Managers in League 2 are supposed to have UEFA B Licence and be working towards UEFA Pro Licence ( A&B ) You need UEFA Pro to manage in the Premier League although you can get dispensation to be given time.

Strangely enough I had this conversation with a UEFA coach last week :)

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Everyones entitled to there opinion,and no rumours/forums/fans gossip will ever change my mind.
The problems at Blackburn started way before Venkys/Kean come on the scene,even before Paul Ince.
Yes they probably made some mistakes(all clubs do inc. man utd),but to lay all the blame on them isnt right.
If the club was such a well run machine,why sell it to Venkys ?,and dont mention the Walkers,I know them !!

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Its hardly a secret the Walker family have wanted to get rid of Rovers for years, virtually since Jack died, it was Jacks baby, nobody else's, compared with other clubs Rovers were quite well run, especially comparing them to teams like Leeds and Portsmouth, John Williams ran a very tidy ship and the fans appreciated him, I know somebody who has worked at Ewood for ages and from what I've been told compared to pre Venkys it's an utter shambles, excuse the pun but there are lots of headless chickens running round without a clue what they are doing.

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Ya Mac I worded my post on the post very badly they need coaching badges before going into management, but the best of coaches certainly don't make good managers Ray Harford was a good example, he was a great coach as Kenny's right hand man but when he took the reins he was a total flop

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It's the curse of Blackburn !!! :), what I do know is Gary Bowyer is a top bloke and first class coach,hope he gets a chance to stabilise the club,which may take a few years.

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A few years with Foreign Owners doesn't exist today, ask Roberto:D

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Any chance of us playing Blackburn or Burnley in a pre season friendly?

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Think they did last year if I remember rightly played both

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Burnley looks unlikely, they are fairly well booked up

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Would have been good, but the dates both clubs had available were sadly not good at the Storefirst.

Capital One Cup perhaps??

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Shame Wigan got relegated tonight. I would have liked them to stay up.

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Pity,probably the first time the F.A.Cup winners been relegated?

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Yes I think they said after the match that Wigan are the first team to win FA Cup and be relegated the same season.

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Ya its the first time, but honestly I watched the game and but for a few flashes in the first half they weren't at the races last night, if anything 4-1 flattered them it could have been more

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It was always on the cards Jaysay,they had ten days to prepare,we didnt,
They paid more for Walcott,than we paid for all our team !!(sounds like Acci)
Getting ready for our european adventure (six games),and parading the FA Cup :D

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Wigan's problem's started long before Tuesday night, the league table doesn't lie, when they failed to beat Swansea last week the writing was on the wall then, the fact that the Gooners still had something to play for didn't help either, the problem is will they be able to keep the manager.

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Dave Whelan seems to agree with you yonmon, He was asked on Sky News this aft if Martinez would be allowd to leave if a big club came in for him, yes he knows that I wouldn't stand in his way. say Everton came in for him, He can leave to join a big club I said:D

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I have read that Roberto Martinez four seasons in charge of Wigan have been the worst from coming up to the Premier League.
Paul Jewell won promotion and finished 10th and 17th. Steve Bruce finished 14th and 11th. Martinez 16th, 16th, 15th, 18th, This season they have been in the bottom four ever week save one since December.

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On the face of it, it doesn't look good does it, but a lot of people like the way he puts his teams out and the football they play, but at the end of the day the league doesn't lie

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Would doubt if that many of em were Wigan fans?:D

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Steady on Cashy !, Wigan operate within there means,and ultimately has cost them.We would never spend money like,say QPR,who paid Samber 100k a week.
We are at best a championship club,but have managed to stay in the prem league,unlike Burnleys,Blackburn,Bolton and Blackpool to name a few.
Did I mention we are the current FA cup holders :)

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Rovers were in the premier for all but 3 years since its inception, hell we even won it would you believe and not forgetting the League cup too Blackpool and Burnley only skated with, one season wonders, Bolton were there a few more seasons than the pie eaters :)