Paul Crichton
 

According to the official site Crichton's already signed for us. He'll be available to play tomorrow at Barnet.

Good luck to him, but I can't help wondering what Danny Allcock's done wrong? :confused:

Re: Paul Crichton
 

Allcock hasn't done anything wrong, but Coley's right in signing another goalie just to be on the safe side. Supposing Allcock broke his leg? Also, the fact that's he "available" to play at Barnet doesn't necessarily mean that he will be playing tomorrow.

Re: Paul Crichton
 

According to this week's Observer, Crichton has been offered a contract until the end of the season. Where does that leave Danny Allcock when JK returns from injury? At Droylsden on loan? I'm sure we can neither afford three keepers nor keep them all happy when only one plays each week.


Coley obviously believes that this will be the season that we go up or at least get into the playoffs else he would not be trading our 'players for the future' with these incoming experienced pros.

Re: Paul Crichton
 

What's it got to do with what allcock's done wrong? the fact of the matter is:

a: he's good backup, and
b: he's played over 400 league games.

Re: Paul Crichton
 

a) I very much doubt Crichton has come to us to sit on the bench. If he'd been a young lad, then maybe, but I very much doubt your 'back-up' claim.

b) JK will be out for around 5 more weeks, so like Whalley Red I find myself thinking, what happens to Danny when JK and Crichton are both available too?

c) I doubt whether we can afford 3 full-time goalkeepers, so something will have to give.

Re: Paul Crichton
 

Having spoke to Paul briefly after the FA Cup game, you will find out that he lives and communtes from Norwich.

I'm guessing he has been signed on a match day only basis to provide cover for Danny.

As Paul has no current club making him a permenant signing also means that the club are not using any more of the loan quota.

Smart work by the management team!

Re: Paul Crichton
 

If that's the case SouthernRed, then fair enough. :)

Re: Paul Crichton
 

Including his numerous loan periods, Paul has played for no less than 18 clubs over the last 18 years. So I can't see him being much of a threat to Danny Allcock's tenure at Stanley in the long term.

Re: Paul Crichton
 

well if that is the case southern red, then fair enough.

i agree that danny hasnt done nethin wrong, but this match day cover, how will we go on when jk comes back well still have 3 keepers still wantin a game and so i think that it maybe good night vienna by the end of the season for one of are keepers . Although having 3 would create competition :)

s-s-c

Re: Paul Crichton
 

i think its a good signin by JC.

when he was at burnley i realy rated him he was a good keeper.

Re: Paul Crichton
 

start of the seaon we had no keepers now we have 3 we just cant win can we


hehehehhe

Re: Paul Crichton
 

We will tomorrow......

Re: Paul Crichton
 

I hope the end-of-season thing is incorrect as I like Danny Alcock and dolnt think he's a bad player so it would be wrong to keep him out of the squad alltogether

Re: Paul Crichton
 

crichton was sacked by york city after he told some of his own fans that he didn't care about the club and he was just after the money. he protested his innocence but the club found him guilty and sacked him

Re: Paul Crichton
 

Seems like Crichton played today.

I'm still asking my original question. :rolleyes:

Re: Paul Crichton
 

yeah danny hasnt put a foot wrong but i supose jc and jb see in day in day out and are in a better positon to judge than we are so like you i would like to see allcock back but lets leave it to the pros

Re: Paul Crichton
 

Crichton didn't impress me at all yesterday he was at fault for two of their goals...

Re: Paul Crichton
 

Ultimately we have no say in how JC runs the team, but it doesn't stop us from discussing team selection.

If what you say is true, then what's the point of a fans' forum?

Re: Paul Crichton
 

yeah true but im just saying that we probably dont see everything in a player that jc and jb does

But form what ive heard of crichton i would also love to see allcock back

Re: Paul Crichton
 

Theres Only One Danny Alcock, One Danny Alcock...

Re: Paul Crichton
 

totaly agree with smiffy crichton was at fault for two goals and two quick to come of his line, id like to know how many times he has been chipped in his carear

Re: Paul Crichton
 

To me he just looked very dodgy and his decision making when to come off his line etc was very poor, the first goal he should of delt with the lo, long range shot and the last he was chipped when he was way off his line,

I'll give him one more game to prove to us that he's a good addition..

Re: Paul Crichton
 

i was talking to a york fan last night and he said that he loved coming off his line too many times

atleast jamo made sure they went over the cowshed

Re: Paul Crichton
 

yeh i cant understand what alcock has done wrong?? i cant remember stanley losing when he bin playin?

Re: Paul Crichton
 

Stanley 0 Leigh RMI 2

Re: Paul Crichton
 

he came off his line a lot at burnley and got lobbed quite a few times.
does anyone think paul cook had a say in the signing as they where together at burnley, he might have told JC to sign him, just a thought.

Re: Paul Crichton
 

yeah god piont fearon maybe this is an extentiont the scouse rule and maybe it is just sign ur mates as well


lol

Re: Paul Crichton
 

Well on paper you can't argue with the signing as his vast experience of over 400 league games must help the team. Yes, he was poor yesterday as I have stated before, but I still believe that he can still do a good job for us.

Re: Paul Crichton
 

And he only met the four defenders in front of him on Friday. We now finally have the back four settled, it will take a little more time for the five of them to work together as a unit.

No disrespect to Danny Allcock, but the lad was only signed in emergency circumstances when two weeks before the season started we had no keepers signed on at all. Had JK stayed with us all summer, it would have been clear to everyone, including Danny, that any young keeper that we signed was backup only.

Re: Paul Crichton
 

Would that include 19 year old Ikeme? ;)

The point I was making was that Alcock is our number 2 'keeper and when JK is out of the team you'd expect him to fill in the gap. However, as soon as JK is unavailable we sign Ikeme on loan and then this Crichton character, rather than giving Alcock a fair crack of the whip.

I could understand it if Alcock had let people down, but for me he's given better performances than either of his replacements. As you say Whalley Red, it takes time for a back four and 'keeper to gel, but how can Alcock and the defence gel if he's only drafted in for the odd game or two?

Perhaps we should be asking why Alcock is being paid to be a full-time member of our squad if Coley doesn't think he's good enough to play more than a game or two? Personally I'd play Alcock and look for stability in the team, rather than chopping and changing the set-up all the time.

We'll probably see a load of posts now saying, "Coley picks the team, you've got to respect his decision, etc", but as I said before, what's the point of a forum if we can't discuss these things? :)

Re: Paul Crichton
 

No, because he was signed on loan with a commitment to be played every match.

The point is that most professional teams have an experienced, first-choice keeper and a young protege, who is largely nothing more than a reserve-team goalie. You can do this for this position, as opposed to an outfield position, because the first-choice keeper is unlikely to miss more than a couple of games in a season due to suspension or injury. In an outfield position, a back-up centre-half or striker or whatever will be expceted to start a number of games in a season in his regular position due to injuries/suspensions, he will most likely also start a few games of the season out of his preferred position (and there are plenty of examples of this at Stanley) and he will also feature in some matches when he has been brought on as a substitute. Goalies are very rarely brought on as a substitute other than when the first-choice goalie has been sent off (though I'm sure you also remember a Lancashire Cup final a decade ago!) and they are never played out of position, so your second-choice keeper can be much younger and much more-inexperienced than your second-choice outfield players.

We were very lucky last year to have two very good keepers, but had Jamo not been sent off in the first match of the season, JK would probably have remained the young understudy and not have earned his England caps. The difference between JK last season and Allcock this season is experience and the fact that Jamo would only have been suspended for three games anyway so it was worth taking a chance on JK. Allcock looks a solid keeper, but one who will develop into a really good one - he is some way behind David Stockdale who was York City's young trainee keeper who came on to play against us. Points are at too much of a premium given our league position to take a chance on a young, inexperienced, though promising goalie.

Re: Paul Crichton
 

If you're good enough you're old enough.
It stinks. My Burnley FC mate at work warned me about Crighton, and seems to have got it right.

Re: Paul Crichton
 

Crichton dropped the ball twice from crosses - nothing to do with the defenders in front of him. Barnet's first goal was a weak, speculative shot from about 25 yards which Crichton dived for and missed - nothing to do with the defenders in front of him. Barnet's third goal would not have been if he hadn't been so far off is line. Crichton did not impress me at all in spite of all his experience. Let's hope that he improves against Canvey Island.

Re: Paul Crichton
 

Hmmmm Jeff... both questions, whilst obviously being questions, were both tongue in cheek and I didn't actually expect answers to them.

I don't want to harp on about the same old thing, but I really don't see what we've gained from not playing Danny Allcock and from replacing him with (arguably less talented) alternatives.

Re: Paul Crichton
 

We do need two keepers and if we make Danny the number one keeper then we will have to sign a back up keeper. What decent keeper is going to sign for Stanley to sit on the bench every week ? The only alternative I can see is that we have a youngster on the bench for emergencies. It was reported in the paper that Crichton had signed on a non-contract basis so he may not be here very long. On the other hand he was wearing the number one shirt on Saturday but I didn't notice whether it had his name on the back or Kennedy's.

Re: Paul Crichton
 

Kennedy number 1 on the back

Re: Paul Crichton
 

yeha but why cant we keep allock as the first team keeper whilst JK is injured and then when JK come back he is put in first team and Allcok on the bench

At the moment i will give critchon a chance as ive not seen him with my own eyes but he better be better than allcock

Re: Paul Crichton
 

I think there maybe two explanations for Paul Crichton wearing JK's shirt on Saturday.

1) There was not enough time to make up a shirt for him, bear in mind the team coach left at 9am, before the shop opened.

2) The club were hopeful that Barnet may have been able to help out (with the screen printing) but the shirt would have clashed with Barnet's colours so the JK green shirt had to be used.

Re: Paul Crichton
 

or eric is a tight get and didnt want to buy a shirt for him to wear for a few games


LOL

Re: Paul Crichton
 

or they might not have any keeper shirts in his size at the moment.

Re: Paul Crichton
 

Or whats the point of buying a new shirt if Paul is only on a short term deal.

Re: Paul Crichton
 

No he will wear JK's shirt probably all the time just as Ikeme did

Re: Paul Crichton
 

if the situation with last years goalie shirt is anything to go by, he could be waiting a long while for his own shirt. I ordered the grey one from the club shop last year at the end of september and recieved it in march!!! He will be wearing JK's shirt while he is with us i would think.

Re: Paul Crichton
 

dont think danny will be here much longer

no faith shown in him

a mercenary and a kid whos played less 1st team games than himself come on!

shows how much faith jc has in him

danny will leave stanley very soon,watch this space

Re: Paul Crichton
 

An interesting observation, Puzzler.

I'm bound to say that there is no evidence to contradict your rather imaginative (but probably correct) prognostications.

If Danny goes, could anyone please explain how we might have a continuity between now and the new year ?

For what it's worth, I think that Danny Alcock has the potential to be Accrington Stanley's joint No.1 Goalkeeper.

Danny has been a fine representative of Accrington Stanley Football Club in the short time he's been in the first team. He has shown great acumen, expert judgment in most of his appearances, and he's displayed a remarkably well-adjusted personality considering the ridiculous way in which he's been treated.

Of all the players in the current Stanley squad, I believe that Danny possesses the greatest self-discipline, always doing what's best for Accrington Stanley.

He has fully earned a permanent place in the squad.

Re: Paul Crichton
 

Hear Hear! Very well said Henry!

Re: Paul Crichton
 

yep totaly agree henry

Danny for stanley the new cry we could hear around The IES

Re: Paul Crichton
 

I'm praying Danny is in the nets tomorrow especially after reading in the Observer that Canvey put 3 goals past Crichton when he was playing for Horwich!!

Re: Paul Crichton
 

Crichton in the goals today but hes still needs a training lesson how to catch a ball
without dropping it

Re: Paul Crichton
 

Cricthon did nothing wrong today and nothing right.

He had about 2 touches all the game and never had a testing save to make.

Re: Paul Crichton
 

Make that 3 touches. He came to the edge of the area and punched a ball at waist level without any good direction on it when it would have been easier to catch it!

Re: Paul Crichton
 

I think that was one of the daftest attempts at a save that I have ever seen. When he punched the ball I just looked in amazement then burst out laughing. I am sorry but Mr. Crichton does not fill me with confidence.

Re: Paul Crichton
 

Kennedy is missed but alcock is my choice, not some mercenery who looks at the supporters and can't remember which team he is playing for

Re: Paul Crichton
 

GET THIS KEEPER SIGNED!!!!!!!

http://tinyurl.com/3n9oj

Re: Paul Crichton
 

Crichton needs to get his act together if he wants to make good things happen for this club and if he manages then all the better

Re: Paul Crichton
 

He played well today made 3/4 good saves, his kicks were good too.....