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cashman 06-09-2013 09:19

Stanley are one of 7 clubs.
 
To spend sod all on agents fees, it says on fishy. personally i reckon its about time all clubs banished these vultures from the game, To me its insulting to players saying they can't sort own wages out, pity some can't see that.:(

Gremlin 06-09-2013 09:31

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Maybe a lot of the players can't sort out their own wages Cashman.
To hear some of the muttering they speak in TV interviews its no wonder they need agents to rip them off.
The agents are only there to line their own pockets and its the paying public who foot the bill.
I once heard an ex Stanley player say on a radio interview "if I didn't get in the first team I couldn't pay my Council house rent".
How things have changed. I saw in the papers recently one player had changed hands for million euros. The agent will be laughing all the way to the bank.

Sky dictates who plays when now. Take their money out of the equation and the game would collapse.
That's my view for what it's worth.

Aussie Irene 06-09-2013 09:32

Re: Stanley are one of 7 clubs.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1074615)
To spend sod all on agents fees, it says on fishy. personally i reckon its about time all clubs banished these vultures from the game, To me its insulting to players saying they can't sort own wages out, pity some can't see that.:(

Hubby says you're spot on Cashey. Every sport not just football, then maybe the clubman will come back and the mercenary kicked out.

cashman 06-09-2013 09:38

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Originally Posted by Gremlin (Post 1074617)
Maybe a lot of the players can't sort out their own wages Cashman.

possibly. I think some,not a lot though. But if thats the case that they are as thick as 2 short planks, Then much better i think to get a family member or good friend to help em, not pay a vulture? Surely even those players must be aware of someone wi an I.Q.?

shakermaker 06-09-2013 10:30

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The PFA do a great deal for players at every level of the game. I see no reason why an in-house 'advocacy' service couldn't be set up to support players' transition between clubs. This would help not only the amount of players searching for clubs each close season but also clubs being held to ransom because an agent wants a quick pay-day.

The FA will never exercise a decisive movement with regards to agents but if by some miracle the day came I would wholly support a full ban on their activities.

Gremlin 06-09-2013 10:32

Re: Stanley are one of 7 clubs.
 
I should have re read my post about transfer fees and edited it.
The figure was a hundred million euros not a million.

What % are these vultures (sorry agents) on?
Makes no wonder they want to hang onto their job and encourage players to move around.

accytom101 06-09-2013 15:40

Re: Stanley are one of 7 clubs.
 
Perhaps Jeffers never returned on a full contract because of his agent.

jaysay 06-09-2013 17:25

Re: Stanley are one of 7 clubs.
 
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Originally Posted by accytom101 (Post 1074671)
Perhaps Jeffers never returned on a full contract because of his agent.

You would think that Jeffers would jump at a chance of a full contract, lets face it there hasn't been too many reports of him being inundated with other offers has there;)

shadsworthcloud 06-09-2013 17:37

Re: Stanley are one of 7 clubs.
 
in other words we are spending double this year what we spent last year
:cool:

cashman 06-09-2013 21:55

Re: Stanley are one of 7 clubs.
 
Funny those few in favour, aint got the balls to say why.:rolleyes:

KiTChener 07-09-2013 12:15

Re: Stanley are one of 7 clubs.
 
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1074749)
Funny those few in favour, aint got the balls to say why.:rolleyes:

Wasn't me!!
I'm one of the 23 so far.

jaysay 07-09-2013 13:18

Re: Stanley are one of 7 clubs.
 
Me neither

JIMSLAD 07-09-2013 14:07

Re: Stanley are one of 7 clubs.
 
If players want to employ agents they should pay them not the clubs

DAV007 07-09-2013 21:27

Re: Stanley are one of 7 clubs.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by accytom101 (Post 1074671)
Perhaps Jeffers never returned on a full contract because of his agent.

don't think he has one anymore, hasnt had one for a while.

Exile on Spencer St 07-09-2013 21:29

Re: Stanley are one of 7 clubs.
 
It doesn't matter whether they're paid by the players or the clubs, ultimately it comes out of the fans' pockets.

shadsworthcloud 08-09-2013 06:33

Re: Stanley are one of 7 clubs.
 
well, for what it's worth, I am one of the (so far) 2 to have voted No. It's not that I don't have "the balls", rather that I have a life outside AccyWeb unlike some on here ;)

Like it or not, in a lot of cases these players are young kids a bit starry eyed about playing football for a living. The clubs (not ASFC) are multi-million pound business run by very sharp businessmen.
Would you know how to negotiate a contract to best advantage? Would you buy a house (for example) without taking legal advice, when buying a house is a fraction of the worth of a premier league players wages?

So why should you expect someone like David Beckham or Wayne Rooney to operate without an agent?

And whether the club pay or the player pays, is a moot point. If the player pays, then the charge just gets added to the signing on fee, wages. Like someone says: ultimately the public pays.

If ASFC choose not to pay agents fees, that is our right. But then don't come on complaining that we haven't signed a big goalscorer

£0.03 supplied

cashman 08-09-2013 07:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shadsworthcloud (Post 1074958)
well, for what it's worth, I am one of the (so far) 2 to have voted No. It's not that I don't have "the balls", rather that I have a life outside AccyWeb unlike some on here ;)

Like it or not, in a lot of cases these players are young kids a bit starry eyed about playing football for a living. The clubs (not ASFC) are multi-million pound business run by very sharp businessmen.
Would you know how to negotiate a contract to best advantage? Would you buy a house (for example) without taking legal advice, when buying a house is a fraction of the worth of a premier league players wages?

Well funnily enough i would be able to negotiate a satisfactory deal, Have been doing so since i was 15, but then whilst not claiming to be a genius, ive never been stupid.unlike some on here.:rolleyes: Buying a house, summat i'm doing at the moment, is a very poor comparison its something that must be done legally by most people, can only assume yeh have never done this? Most people have lives, Some have more time than others, due to ill health/retirement. n various things, But never mind oh arrogant one, yeh will get there some day.:rolleyes:

jaysay 12-09-2013 17:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1074961)
Well funnily enough i would be able to negotiate a satisfactory deal, Have been doing so since i was 15, but then whilst not claiming to be a genius, ive never been stupid.unlike some on here.:rolleyes: Buying a house, summat i'm doing at the moment, is a very poor comparison its something that must be done legally by most people, can only assume yeh have never done this? Most people have lives, Some have more time than others, due to ill health/retirement. n various things, But never mind oh arrogant one, yeh will get there some day.:rolleyes:

The problem with a lot of young footballers is that they aren't the sharpest tools in the box and do need help negotiating contracts, but instead of engaging one of the vultures they can go through the PFA who are always ready to help in any way they can ;)

maccawozzagod 13-09-2013 10:22

Re: Stanley are one of 7 clubs.
 
I understand big league players might need an agent to negotiate signing on fee's, image rights, job fer t'bird in t'canteen etc but surely at league 2 level its a case of

"we'll give you £500 a week, you might play you might not"

"ok/get stuffed (delete as applicable)"

DAV007 13-09-2013 16:04

Re: Stanley are one of 7 clubs.
 
On what planet does paying agents guarantee a player being a success?

Alvin the chipmunk 16-09-2013 22:00

Re: Stanley are one of 7 clubs.
 
I don't think they are ALL vultures. In fact some do an excellent job for their clients...which is especially important in the lower leagues where an extra £50 can make all the difference. Most Prem agents however are thieving mercenaries.

However to me they are still a waste of money...if you have half a brain cell you can compare your worth to others and negotiate a suitable deal yourself. Or as jaysay says go to the PFA. Trouble is...too many today don't have that half a brain cell. :)


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