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Surprised a thread has not been started, however, having just got back, it could be a long hard season if the standard of refereeing is as today. What is also plainly obvious is we need a target man up front to combat the aerial power of the away teams defence.
Otherwise, I don't think Stanley played badly, just the 3 officials against us. The 2 penalties were a joke. every time a Southend player fell over it was a free kick and the penalties were just the same.
My man of the match was hard, in fact I would pick 2, Josh Windass and Luke Simpson both had excellent games. Here's looking forward to Tuesday against the mighty Leeds United!

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Agree with your comments about the refereeing and the need for a target man. Thought Aldred had a good game also.

Actually thought we were a bit unlucky today and certainly looked ok against one of the League favourites!

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The Ref was the knob that gave Burton a penalty that never was, at their place last season, So i expected no less from this dickhead today.:mad: that apart felt we deserved summat from the game against a good Southend team, Agree we were very light up front, Mr Naismith in particular had a bad day at the office.:eek:

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Again I was watching a different game from everyone else, including JB, who says Southend never looked like scoring. They should have won 3-0 with the 2 penalties and a horrible miss from one of their black front men who shot straight at our keeper when it was easier to score. The ref had no option other than to award the penalties which were both down to clumsy, naive defending IMHO. In possession, we didn't look a bit like the team that was showing promotion form at the back end of last season, with crosses and free kicks continually over hit or floated straight down their keeper's throat. As for individual performances, I'm saying nowt, so as not to provoke an early season disagreement with a certain poster on here!

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I didn't see the 1st penalty incident clearly enough to make a judgement; I did see the 2nd penalty incident and it was a penalty.


Simpson - MOM
Liddle - played ok. did get skinned but worked hard. his distribution was not the best. Both his crossing and passing was poor. Should not have been booked despite the refs attempt to make out he had caused numerous fouls.
Winnard - did well, kept their strike force quiet, did hit it direct a few times without any accuracy.
Aldred - did well, only got caught wrong side once and was fortunate the striker didnt take advantage.
Buxton - did ok, it was clear he is still learning the game, needs to work on crossing
Mingoia - did not impress, worked hard but with no end product. Allowed Southend to pressure him out the game.
Joyce - did ok. Decent passing, our most creative midfielder.
Hunt - did ok. Was 2nd to a few balls with slower pace, but did his job fine, as expected he had nothing to offer going forward.
Naismith - very poor. Except for the odd dribble, went missing for long periods, when he did have the ball he lacked vision. The game passed him by.
Gray - started game well, some nice touches, doesnt look like the type of striker who can play up front by himself. He was increasingly isolated in the 2nd half and didnt get any service from the rubbish wingers.
Windass - poor, started game ok, but was soon worked out by Southend, went missing for long periods of the game

McCartan - didnt have long enough to make an impact. Why bring him on at 87 mins? Why not try and win the game instead of waiting to go behind?
Alabi - looks a handful but a bit rusty with his touch. Ironically, he looks the type of striker who can play the lone striker role.

Overall, though Southend where the better team but didnt do a lot to win the game. They had a few chances, certainly more than Stanley.
Stanley gave the ball away to easily, Southend's high pressing game worked well to nullify Stanley from building an attack.
Which resulted in Stanley spending far to much energy, and to much of time chasing the ball trying to regain possession.

The biggest dissapointment was Beattie's inability or refusal to change it when it was clear after 30 minutes Southend had worked us out. It was clear he had settled for a point.
There was no plan B, nothing in the formation, game plan or substitutes suggested he knew how to and/or wanted to change it.

One observation - was it me, or was the home end not as full as normal?
Expected it to be busy with it being the 1st game of the season.
I also expect Southend to bring more fans.

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Havnt seen JB interview yet, I'll upset some people if you don't want to Redraine. We were poor today, Southend much the better side. I thought the ref was a Pratt but I did think they were penalties - very bad decisions to make a challenge in those positions especially the 2nd one.

Individual performances: thought back 4 were solid as usual, epecially Buxton very good in his normal position. Thought Joyce battled away as usual but must be pulling his hair out at having to play in there with Hunt (there's a reason he's played 15 years at the back - that's his position) and Windass (one spectacular effort which was never going in when he should have played Gray in and one closer in which he should have hit the target with, otherwise flatters to deceive by giving the ball away time after time).

Gray battled away but what chance has he got playing against 2 giants when everything was just humped forward but tbf worked his socks off. Mingoia works hard but absolutely no end product

Finally how long is JB going persevere with Naismith, I'd rather see someone with less ability than someone who plays once every 4 games if we're lucky.

We need a keeper!

Mini rant over haha bring on Leeds

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Forgot to add, nice touch by the club to hold the minutes silence for Eric.
It was impeccably observed.

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Well my two pence worth........

I thought the game really was a game of two halves, literally. Yes the ref had a shocker, but Deano gave him the chance to award the pens. The second looked a very tired tackle.

The first 45 minutes I thought we did pretty good. Windass and Hunt looked half decent in the middle of the park and played some decent stuff. Buxton and Aldred where absolute rocks at the back as expected. Thought Deano looked abit off the pace, especially in the second 45.

Second 45 was the polar opposite really. They had worked us out as others have said however I will be amazed if they aren't in or around the top 6 come May.

Gray looked back to his usual tricks of winding up the oppostion and throwing himself on the deck. If only he would quit with the bloody theatrics he could be a good striker in this division. But as others have said, I have no doubt he should have been replaced.

A little disappointed yes, but make no mistake, we are ALOT better than the same period last year, those that travelled to Newport away last August im sure will agree.

Oh a special mention for young Simpson in goal, who I thought at 19 years of age making his League debut was absolutely magnificent throughout.

Roll on Elland Road :)

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Try to keep it real,they were the better team today and we got bullied all over the field ( and on the touch line )
They have had us watched and simply were too big and fast,indeed at one point they were playing four upfront ,and still dominating us in the middle.
They were hitting diagonal balls over our fullbacks time after time,getting crosses in at will and Naismith and Piero just never got in the game.
I mentioned it against Burnley,Windass is not a "in the hole/number10" player,he was lost and again never seen him win a tackle or header.
When was the last time we never had a shot on target at home?.
Their tempo/pressing game worked a treat and for long periods we were chasing shadows.
We struggled to hold a high line in defence,which was a combination of giving the ball away and the keepers starting position being on his line !
Now the positives,we were always in the game,which is a good thing,thought Grey took the fight to them at times,Tom gave his usual committed performance and Buxton did ok against a very good player.
Lots to work on,but we look a far better team than the first game 12 months ago at Newport.
NB - replacing Murphys goals from midfield needs addressing

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Lot of sense talked there F19, lots of positives to be taken from the game & honestly didn't think we deserved to lose it. Young Mr.Simpson did very well under a lot of pressure & was unfortunate not to keep a clean sheet - I'll skim over the ref's performance which was at best average, hope he didn't miss his lift back to Southend as I imagine the trains aren't that often. Still optimistic about the season ahead - come on Stanley, lets show the rest of the league we ain't no pushover!

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F19, whilst I agree, Southend were the better team (the better team at diving if a Stanley player even attempted a tackle, anywhere on the pitch!), they did seem a yard faster than our players. Cannot agree with others who thought that Windass was only average, he played his socks off for me, but then again, I don't expect everyone to agree with me, everyone is entitled to their opinions. Even Dav007 makes some sense in what he says. Certainly I agree with not leaving it too late to change the team around. Do hope Alabi is not going to be a lone striker but at his height, we have a target man albeit for one month at this time. Onwards and upwards, see you at Leeds Tuesday night and hope we can do another championship team though not holding my breath.

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Have to agree about Windass difference today was Southend used their wlde men to full effect so putting pressure into our box we defended very well on the whole but the penalties were just that. We failed down our flanks yet again Naismith was awful.

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Yeh certainly musta been mate.:confused: At 0-0 Gray hit the post wi a good effort, which could have been 1-0 Stanley, Whilst football is all "What Ifs" that could have put a whole different look to the game.:rolleyes: so where yeh dug 3-0 from beats the hell outa me.

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I thought we (Southend) were the better team yesterday but while it was 0-0 it could have gone either way. The goalie Simpson had an excellent game but it seemed that Beattie was more interested in containing us than going for a win especially as Simpson was playing for time at the end of first half. He was telling the photographers to keep the ball rather than throw when he had a goal kick. As both pens were at the far end, it was difficult to see their merit but nevertheless we should have scored both. We usually find it difficult here so we'll gladly take the 3 points. Our defence is the strongest part our team so hopefully you'll get more chances against other teams. Good luck for the season, a long way to go. We were looking forward to coming back to Accy, we always have a good and friendly time in the pubs. It's just a shame the M6 delayed our arrival until 2.30. It was also good to see the minute silence was impeccably observed by all fans. All the best.

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Agree with smudge two penalties a definate, you cannot dive in to a tackle in especially in a non dangerous area, close down quicker or hold or crowd out, very poor defending in my eyes, apart from that we did ok , we will win at leeds on tuesday , with naismith turning on the style but he needs to man up quickly

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Don't think yeh will be too far away from the business end of the table this season ozzer, on the pens thought the second was a sure thing, the first didn't think it was, but would like to see it again fer sure. good luck fer the season.

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It was a good game spoilt with a bad ref. From where I sit the two penalties were dives, we all got splashed in the main stand.
Why do we get ref after ref giving everything to the opposition , they make us look like a dirty team. I hope we get a fair unbiased ref for rest of season , but I'm not holding my breathe. I was impressed with Luke Simpson. Good luck on Tues at Leeds.

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I was talking to the Southend scout before the Chorley game. Despite the oppositon being of different quality I don't think Sunbeds Brown will have had to change the plan from the report too much.



The key word there 'better'. A certain Stanley forward is awful at it, despite trying it for 99% of the time he spends on the pitch. :(

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He does himself no favours wi his pathetic falls, in fact hes that bad it, word will no doubt soon get round the refs circle of his stupid habit.:(

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Stats say that we had 6 shots, none on target, and they had 10 with 7 of them accurate .....

Betts was on the bench for Fulham.

First manager already gone - Mark Robins at Huddersfield after a 4-0 drubbing by the Cherries.

Football. Lovely Football :o

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From my viewpoint it looked as though both penalty decisions were soft at best. The first decision was bought as Shaquille (really?) Coulthirst was just waiting to get into the box before running into Adam Buxton's leg. Very cheap, very unfair. After seeing the second decision again it looks as though Dean was trying to play the ball and unfortunately caught his man. Again - soft.

I thought a draw would have been fair despite Southend being physically stronger. Yes, Myles Weston fired straight at Luke Simpson a couple of times - but James Gray ballooned our best chance in the first half after a great move, all because he tried a futsal finish instead of prioritising the target.

We are weak in central midfield. Nicky Hunt was absent aside from covering Buxton's full back position. Had he imposed himself more on the opposition in central areas, Josh Windass might have got on the ball more and created chances.

I'm not too worried about the overall quality of the team because, as was mentioned earlier in the thread, we look a whole lot better than at this time last year. Lots of room for improvement though. Hope we can bring in a first team standard midfield player and not just a kid on loan from the Prem.

One last grumble: There are too many yellow boots and Alice bands in the side for the level of performance at the moment. Certain players need to realise their level, get their work ethic sorted and actually achieve something before acting like accomplished pro's!

On a more positive note, congratulations to Buzzer on making the best pitch I've ever seen at the Crown. Well done.

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Trip people up in the box and penalties will be given. Stanley had plenty of warnings with both full backs being exposed badly in the first half.

Southend were a much better team, Stanley may need a few emergency loans in September to find their feet against such teams.

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Must agree with shaker,the penalties were soft,although the first was bought as Dean held the lad up whilst Adam got back and he knew what he was doing when Adam got across him,down he went.
The second was the same,started with giving a cheap free kick away ,allowing their big lads to get forward who out jumped Hunty and although Dean seemed to have got in a good position to clear,the lad got across him with a toe tackle and was on his way down before contact was made.
Both were penalties although we have to learn don't give cheap free kicks and corners when the opposition are loaded with height and good headers of the ball.
Agree about the pitch,excellent,no complaints there

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Could do with a good referee like that one when we play you

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The only thing you will need when you play us, mate, is passion, which you always seem to lack in spades.

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Feel really sorry fer Simpson, The kid had a sparkling debut n deserved to keep a clean sheet.

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League 2 Round-Up - 9th August | Video | Watch TV Show | Sky Sports Shows only the second pen, very soft pen.not a pen imho

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Got to agree Mab, looks like he never got touched and the ref got conned, big style. One point though, I thought Luke Simpson should possibly have stood still instead of telegraphing he was diving to his right! But can't complain overall, he was one of the best Stanley players on the pitch.

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We're at 01:59; and there's a Peter Murphy goal at 00:55!

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Just watched the Football League Show. Thought the first penalty was soft and the second one nearly has me as baffled as the one the same muppet gave against Deano at Burton last season.

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S'funny old game. Don't recall Mr.Brown complaining about the ref after the Stanley game, but what goes around, comes around, I guess;).
BBC Sport - Phil Brown: Southend United boss wants freedom to criticise referees

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Far from complaining about the ref on Saturday the Southend players seemed to be celebrating with him when the second 'penalty' went in - guess Mr. Brown doesn't like it much when the boots on the other foot so to speak :rolleyes:

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Its whats commonly known as Hypocritical.:rolleyes:

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I agree with Phil Brown, if a manager thinks a match official has had a stinker of a match, then he should be allowed to voice his opinions without risk of FA punishment, after all the bad decisions at the Store First Stadium J B's tongue must be full of bite marks

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I'm all for it but only after matches where a player never miskicks a ball, misses a sitter, doesn't get sent off for stupidity or the manager hasn't made a tactical cock-up or failed to pick the correct team to win the game ;)

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that's exactly the point Dave,
everyone makes mistakes, players & managers make errors and are openly criticised for doing so, but when a match official makes an error, managers are prevented from saying the official had a bad game, I fail too see what harm would be done by a manager saying a official had a bad game

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What a plonker Brown is.

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Referees don't have an option to speak out in public about the performance of players and managers ;)

Lets face it, if the players and managers actually set an example of fair play, most referees wouldn't even get noticed.

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In fairness Dave How many referees enforce fair play? theres countless unpunished incidents by many players in ALL games, many of which are blatant, Diving is one instance n stanley have one of those who could win gold in the Olympics.:eek:

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As I said, if players don't dive the referee doesn't need to enforce fair play :)

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I doubt it, Cashey. He's nowhere near achieving the gold medal standard of the Premier League diver-divas. He's not that good at diving which is why he should stick to what he is good at....putting the ball in the net.

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I was always under the impression the refs job was to ensure the rules were kept too?:rolleyes: its the same principal with the law, break it n the cops will do yeh, unless yeh happen to be parking down Blackburn Rd.:D;)