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According to JC he will tell the players this week who is being offered a contract or the door,who do you think he should keep from this list:-
Buxton.
Liddle.
Joyce.
McCartan.
Naismith.
Carver.
Mingoia been offered.
Hunt.
Jenkins.
Goulding.
Bruna.
Atkinson.
Bowerman.

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I think it was said at the Fans Forum that Joyce had been offered and more or less accepted a new deal

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Joyce, Liddle and McCarten for me.

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joyce Naismith Atkinson for me maybe a 3month deal for bruna, but replacements must be better than the ones that go. the devil you know etc.

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Whichever have an L postcode would be more accurate!

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We are interested I understand in Lee Molineaux at relegated Tranmere.

Is he worth a punt ?

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Depends on a whole load of things, including travel and how much he feels "wanted".

Had a rubbish 12 months including some challenging family times:(

A top guy:)

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Buxton,Hunt, Bruna,Naismith. I would seriosly consider if we should not sell some people like Gornell, Atkinson, Windass, which would release some capital to buy some better players. 73 goals conceded so far shows where the weak area is. I would hope Buxton will be injury free for all of next season. He is totally committed and perhaps should play a more attacking role. he goes in full bore where perhaps he shouldn't. on paper we had the quality of players to be in the play off's but we just did not get the mixture right. I don't see a future for james gray or Marcus carver under the current management structure and would be perhaps better off sold on. But it all depends on money.

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Linganzi currently a free agent.

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He may have appeared to be injured a lot but his long spell out was more infected than injured, which probably makes him less injury prone than what we all think :)

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When will we know for sure who is going? I don't expect to know about arrivals yet.

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There's a skip being delivered about 5.30pm on Saturday :)

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[QUOTE=andyd;1139656]According to JC he will tell the players this week who is being offered a contract or the door,who do you think he should keep from this list:-
Buxton.
Liddle. Released.
Joyce.
McCartan.
Naismith.
Carver.
Mingoia been offered.
Hunt.
Jenkins. Released.
Goulding.
Bruna.
Atkinson.
Bowerman. Released.
Whitehead.

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Gutted about Lids being released - when he's been given the chance on the pitch he's never given less than 110%, good luck Michael wherever you end up - big mistake letting you go IMHO

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You are so right! :eek:

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Good luck for the future to the lads who have been released :) Always liked Lidds.. :)

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I was disappointed that Liddle was released, when he plays he always seems committed. He is also fairly quick, which is always an asset!

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Very disappointing to see Lidds going, not shocked though, after all he aint a scouser.:rolleyes:

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As Joe said Wish all the released players the best in their future careers.
Did like Lids,so I presume Coley has something up his sleeve!!.

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Maybe something from Corals or the like?:D

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Typical cashman, focuses on bitter pathetic negative rubbish such as which region the lad is from.

Plase give me 5 names, just 5 names of players during Coleman's time in charge that he has released that have gone on to bigger and better things?

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Who ever he brings in I would suggest we bolster the defence. It is always sad to see players go, especially when you know they have contributed to the club. But the reality is we finished 17th in the league which is just not good enough. If we want to increase revenue through the gates we need to be battling at the top. we also need a good cup run. If you look at the squad we had, on paper we should have been in the play off's at least. JC seems to know what is needed. whether he can afford it or not is another matter.As a supporter you can do your bit by joining the supporters club, buy a share. help out at a stall or event. this will just reinforce the feeling that together we are Stanley.

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This got me thinking!

3 names I can remember are Alan Navarro (MK Dons, Brighton and Swindon) Will Buckley was in our youth team (Watford, Brighton and Sunderland) also seem to remember Keiran Westwood had trials with us but was unsuccessful (Coventry, Sunderland and Sheff Weds)

Always going to be players that slip the net with the amount of players that come through a club and I think Coley has found more gems than the players that have slipped the net!

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just a thought - maybe the gaffer wants more height at the back to defend corners. Liked what little I saw of Lidds - but wasn't a tall'n. Good luck Michael.

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joel byrom springs to mind,

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Some interesting choices and comments, pity we can't keep the personal comments out after all, we are all Stanley.

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James gray comes to mind also!

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I think there was a issue with Kieran Westwood's wage demands which made it a none starter.

Can someone provide more infomation on why Westwood didnt sign for us?

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Billy Kee a free agent.

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Whoever we sign fer next term, it needs to be players wi heart not attitude, in my view.:)

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100% agree with that Cashy.

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are you sure?
I thought Billy Kee priced himself out of a new deal?

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Matt Duke released by Northampton. Starred in Bradford's cup run last season and could solve our keeper crisis. Though at 37 may be a little long in the tooth. That said keepers peak in their mid to late 30's.

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billy kee would be out of our price range even if we wanted him seems a bit up and down over the last couple of seasons, probably believed all the hype about him. as for matt duke his high spot of a long career was bradfords cup run always seemed to me as a keeper who would save a penalty and a minuit later push a cross into his goal. not for me.

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Podge released by Morecambe

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No Grass is Greener than Buzzers Hallowed Turf.

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Podge was a good lad, but certainly no better n what we have already imho.

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They never did appreciate a good 'un ;)

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Really ? Not got a full team to play next season yet :)

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Anybody know who else has gone or signed?

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Its looking like another "Next Weeker":D

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Rumours here of Peter Murphy ending his Wycombe stay and signing for Morecambe.

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Another "Podge" a good lad,but not consistent.

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He started well at Wycombe but hasn't been starting for some months.

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Yeh i heard podge started well fer you?

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Aye, 7 goals in his first 2 months, then none after Nov 1st. Strange!

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Podge did very well. 11 goals first season and 10 in his 2nd.

I am sorry to see him leave.

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To be honest me n most stanley fans were sorry he left, but have to say i dont think hes any better than what we got now.

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Trouble is Cashy we don't yet know who we've got apart from the 7 still in contract & I for one would welcome Podge back if he wanted to return

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stay calm accymad, over 2 months until the start of the next season.

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I'm perfectly calm thank you - was just saying how can we know that Podge or any player come to that isn't better than the ones we have before we know who's staying, going or being drafted in?

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Leave it to Coleman, he knows what he is doing.

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Shaun Wright-Phillips is available now.

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Didn't Coley give them a week to decide, surely that weeks over

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Perhaps he gave them an Accy week :D

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To my way of thinking, those who aint signed up now, should be told - Thanks for yer services Goodbye, I can't blame any player wanting the best for him self, fair enough, But the club comes first its that simple to me.

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After sleeping on this,i'm beginning to wonder? Were the offers LESS than they were on last season?:eek:

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Cashy, off experience the club will only pay what they can afford so I am sure it will be less !!!

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If thats the case, then WHY only give em a week to consider? I'm near sure thats not a proper contract offer?:(

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I remember Cooky doing this too, Isn't it they have a week to sign until Coley starts looking elsewhere, but the offer is there until Coley signs a player in that position?

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That's correct Baldy!!,
It's the only industry that you get paid less for having more experience :).
Seriously tho,to start building a squad the manager needs to know who's signing and that works both ways and protects the club from being used as a bargaining tool.
All contracts are based on an offer and acceptance,but in football,nothing is guaranteed until the inks dry on the signature .
I know of numerous cases of people saying they are definatley signing only to go elsewhere .
It's a brave stance,but in my opinion the right one

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still being payed to june so if an offer is not what a player expects then his agent can look around and if nothing better turns up then can go back to initial offer at end of present contract. remember most of us move or in my case moved jobs for more money its simple.

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If your contract is expiring at the end of the season I think I'm right in saying you are effectively a free agent from the previous January where somebody can offer you a contract for the next season.

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The position with out of contract players is as follows.

Contracts usually expire on 30th June. If a player has not been offered a new contract then the club have to pay the player his July salary if he has not signed for another club by 30th June. This is why some deals don't get announced until very near the start of the new season as their new club doesn't want to pay them their July salary and leave it to their previous club to pay it.

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I know that's the payment one, just pointing out that players whose contracts are ending can also sign a pre-agreement for next season from January 1st. I think Stanley possibly lost a good player this season because of that ruling. I also suspect that's why Ings at Burnley refuses to discuss his situation until the end of the season, already a done deal with Liverpool by all accounts.

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The deadline this year for the club is 16th May to make the offer and the player get a month to respond from the date of the offer.

If Stanley were in the play-offs they would get longer. The rules are more acute for the U24 players and compo.

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The week is utter bullshine as far as i'm aware.

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From when Cooky had this rule, The players have a week from when the new contract is offered before he looked elsewhere, even then the offer is still there until a player is signed as a replacement. That could be 1 week after the 1 week deadline or it could be 1 week before the start of the season, providing a replacement hasn't been found.

I think it helps Coleman know where he stands with what positions he needs to replace early on rather than wasting 2 months hoping a player signs and then tells you he is off elsewhere and more importantly helps get players who want to play for the club rather than letting a players agent tout his player round getting a better deal all summer!

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He can't know for certain what positions need replacing, hence the deadline for a current player to sign before such a date then he has something to work off!

Money always plays a part but to me, if a player signs early on it shows an indication he wants to play for the club, rather than waiting around hoping for a better deal elsewhere.

Obviously players will go if they can get a better deal somewhere else which you can't blame them but Stanley aren't in a position to offer a lot of money compared to most clubs so there would be no point waiting for a player to wait a month or so then come back to Coley and say "this club have offered me £****, I'll sign for you if you offer me £200 more"

And as Lancsdave has said, a player can start looking for a new club in January for the following season, so they have a "opportunity to secure the best deal while they can"

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Money is always the factor, given our poor resources,but the fact our wages are probably lowest in league, yeh cant expect a lad to sign within 1 week.? sadly this will always be the case with us,unless someone really gets hold of our commercial side, its the only way,

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This isn't an ordinary business though, the players will have had some idea if they want to stay or go, it's how it works. Doesn't take them a week to decide if a bigger club comes in with an offer ;) A week at Stanley usually means any time later, so it may not actually have been 7 days in the normal sense of the word 'week' :D

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Hey dave, theres more than bigger clubs make offers, in fact many non leaguers can offer more.;) thats the way of the world.

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True :)

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Update on official website!

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Cheers baldy, i thought the week was bullshine, it says 1 month according to F.A. rules, perhaps our boss didn't know.:D

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Of course he knew, he's got qualifications you haven't. What do fans know about football? :D:rolleyes:

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Like Baldy says :)

Retained list ? Accrington Stanley FC

:) :) :)

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What a piece of lazy me'ja crap.
Could equally have entitled it "Joyce would like to play for Barcelona".

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They were not FA rules, but Football League, I stated the deadline and time scales earlier in this thread.

Google; Football League Rules; download PDF :)

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I stand corrected, cheers Chewbacca.:D;) me memorys crap though.:D

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There's a lot of interest for Marcus Carvers from the none league world! But he's one of our own and is going no where ;) so a little birds told me :)

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Wasn't meant at you chief. I was just pointing out how easy it is to know the rules when "reengaging" players as they call it. I know the club have an extremely difficult job also.