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Once more McConville's Ali Shuffle served only to put himself off instead of the goalie. He shouldn't be allowed anywhere near another Stanley penalty. Mind you, we would never have got through a penalty shootout in any case with Barry, Billy Kee and our hero already having missed penalties this season. Bury always looked a division ahead of us throughout, with neat approach play and superb movement off the ball having us chasing shadows. Bruna looked our only hope of hitting the net with a good cameo performance but Morgan failed completely to take his best chance yet of impressing, with he and Billy looking unable to burst a paper bag between them, although Billy did wake up for the last 15 minutes.

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Kee took pens at Burton so at least is used to it, Bruna looks capable, so why super sean was let take it,is beyond comprehension.:rolleyes:

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Davies and Kee were the best players on the pitch by a long way, they were the only 2 who seemed like they were good enough to compete tonight. As for the penalty, why did Coleman let a player who missed a penalty in a pressure situation only a few weeks ago, take another penalty in a pressure situation? Did anybody really expect him to score?

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Load of Bury fans sat next to me in stand and as soon as Shaun picked the ball up to take it I said to them he,ll miss this sadly proved right never looked like scoring it, the keeper had already moved to his right he only had to place it in. A few of our players disapointing tonight Mingoia, Morgan,Kee all had poor games although I thought young Phillips played a peach of a pass for Bruna to take a well executed goal concentrate on league now untill FA Cup.

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Agree with most of the above post, we weren't in it for long stretches - men v boys I'm afraid, I think Flitcroft & his lads wanted the win much more than we did - I understand switching the team around for games like this but they needed more instructions /direction from our dug-out, & I'm not sure throwing young Jack Phillips in at the deep end like that was really fair on the kid.

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Was there a bad injury to Conneely, subbed after 2 minutes!

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No injury as far as I could see, could possibly have had something to do with the rules of the competition??

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FA 19.....Who always knows all about the minutiae making up the complicated game we know as Soccer ! , reliably informed me that Seamus only took the field to satisfy the rules relating to t'Paint Trophy That being that at least five of the starting eleven must have played in the previous League game...hence his brief appearance !.
Then Andy appeared and,I feel did all that could be expected of him on his return !
Thrilled to once again be there when our prima ballerina minced up to the ball on the penalty spot...sheer class !. Shame about the resultant kick though !....still one cannot have everything in life, and I will have to be content with the memory of Sean and the delicacy of his en pointe efforts !.
Bury are, in my opinion a very efficient and fit outfit, and should do well this season !

KTF.

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Enjoyed the game tonight and Burys pass and move football played with one,two touches was good to watch.
Just too quick for us,and they worked hard so players always had three options .
The positives were our keeper wasn't really tested and we made them play in front of us and our defensive shape was good.
They played with a false number nine,but switched it at half time and brought Pope on and this gave them a focal point and we were done time and time again with runners from midfield.
The penalty was a poor effort,but generally thought Sean had a reasonable game,showing a good first touch.
Good runout for our defenders as they will not play against anything better this season.
Lack of genuine pace is a concern in central areas,but I thought Billy did ok against decent centre backs

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Our number 9 is nowhere near league level yet imho. thought he had a very poor game, the young un that came on deserves great credit, did very well and in my view this cameo can only do him good. we thought seamus had done a hamstring or summat, he was clutching after that tackle.

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I have to agree with many posters tonight. I don't think Mingoia had a bad game it seemed he was to good for the players supporting him. it seemed a weak team and the communication was terrible. I was relieved to see our Spanish player come on and score. Why he does not get a lot more games is err puzzling!! we have all the ingredients of the best squad we have had for a long time and we are in danger of turning into an average bunch of also rans. It seems to have gone downhill since the Hull defeat. if we don't stop the rot now, we will end up selling our supporters pure disappointment and that will be disastrous for the club.

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It's so we didn't get fined Cashy !!
Morgan isn't a number ten type of player,he probably needed a new set of lungs at half time :)

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Sorry Morgan aint a league player at this stage of his career as far as i can see,

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Just heard coley's interview about the Bury game. I don't believe he watched the same game as I saw. But the reasons/ excuses were exactly the same as last week and the week before. Sorry John but the time has come for action, Some of your signings will not make the grade, I respectfully suggest you axe some now. Teach some communication skills as the teams I have seen don't seem to have any. we have some quality players that put us in the play offs at least, we have to be able to change our game when needed. Failure to make the play offs, I think you would have to consider your position. it is up to you to change something before it is too late.

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Failure to make the playoffs is a bad season? Mental. So if we came tenth that would be a poor season? We've lost one league game and everybody has lost their heads. In terms of the league we are playing some silky stuff...just need to find our shooting boots.

In terms of tonight..Poor tonight and Bury deserved the win. 1300 gate showed the pricing was right. Good to see Proc back and he showed some nice touches on the edge of the area to make chances. Young lads showed endeavour and Etheridge looked solid.

If take two points from two tough trips to Pompey and Brizzle. Owt else would be a bonus.

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Shocker of a penalty from Sean, just heard colemans thaughts after the game an he should shoulder some of the blame because he told the players whoever made the pen would take it, surely a designated penalty taker would have been better, credit to bury they looked a really good side who passed the ball very well, under performers tonight for me were Morgan , Barry an pierro , I like pierro but the last few games for me he has looked poor, stand outs for tonight were tom Davies, Pearson an Sean mac although his penalty has not landed yet.

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I agree that Sean Mac was one of our better players, apart from his appalling penalty miss. Not many positives to take forward to Saturday, so what are the chances that we can equal the Shrimps recent 3 goals down there? They suddenly can't stop scoring after their fans were moaning about a lack of fire power, so stranger things have happened. I see James Gray scored again last night. Just saying!

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nothing much in it first half but they changed their formation for the second half. by doing this they looked a division above us. we seem to move the ball too slowly and that is probably why piero hasn,t looked as good this season . seems to be crowded out all the time. as for super sean enough has been said already and young morgan looks like a lot who have been here before not quite up to it yet at this level. they wanted it more than us and when was the last time we won a jpt game, even Morecambe beat us. don't worry though come November we can concentrate on the league.

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It is the manner of our play is poor, I can assure you the way we played last night, we are saying to the world we are not interested in the JPT. We have been in league 2 long enough, Failure to progress at least to the play offs is in this case a terrible season. You were right about the pricing but we were always assured that Bury would bring a good crowd. Until we start winning with some conviction we will struggle again.

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We have never been above the bottom league since we were one of the founder clubs, above half way is a good achievement with our resources, sure we all would like better, but most of us can smell the coffee.:rolleyes:

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I thought that was one of the best Bury sides I have seen in a long while should cope well with league 1 to our credit we played ourselves back into the game and really should have been 2-2, I thought Bruna gave us something different last night looking to come inside the full back and looking to shoot and create took his goal well and for me has to get more game time on that kind of form on a different topic can anyone tell me why their were only 100 programmes available for sale last night hardly inspires any commercial nous, heard guite a few people complaining about this.

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Quite how a proven bottler was allowed to take a penalty in the last minute of a cup competition absolutely defies belief.

Ridiculous.

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Well listening to our magnificent manager,it seems he decided,who won a penalty should take it!! that says to me no practice of em, which i find absolutely crazy, very poor decision imho. yeh could also wonder,behind all the bullshine, hes not that bothered.

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Does seem a bit crackers, especially when that's the way each round could be decided if it's a draw at full time??? :rolleyes:

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Although it was a bad penalty, Who else would you have fancied taking it?

Billy Kee, missed his penalty against Hull, didn't Barry miss against Nelson in Pre Season?

Does seem strange though that we don't have a chosen penalty taker if Windass isn't playing!

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I was sat along side a couple of Bury fans last night, they didn't think Bury were playing that well ,when they were 2 0 up they also "predicted" that a player will now go down injured to slow the pace and time waste and just like magic that is what happened.

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It's fine cash.... HE IS THE MESSIAH after all !!!!

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Why they actually paid a transfer fee to Chester for him defies belief. A gent sat quite near to me in the main stand boasting a natty line in Australian headgear described him as a Prima Ballerina, which just about sums him up.

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How can you blame a manager for a player missing a penalty is beyond me I played the game and I think any player on the pitch including the goalie should be able to take and score a penalty if you miss it,s either unlucky or a bad take can,t blame anyone for that,certain " Stanley fans " I know are not coming because Coleman is the manager that,s their choice but to me they are,nt true fans a true fan goes through thick and thin.

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The top clubs use the League Cup to give the fringe players a run out and see how they perform, the lower clubs use the JPT trophy. Yes it's the best chance of getting to Wembley but have any of those who made it before gone out and spent millions on new players from the winnings ?

Personally I doubt if the world has any interest in the JPT :)

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I dont blame the manager for a player missing a penalty, I blame a manager fer having NO tactics for taking them, is that so difficult to grasp? whoever earns it takes it, was what he says, that is pathetic in my view.

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What would happen if, in the dying minutes, the goalie punts a ball into their box and a defender handles it? Guess the goalie has to take the penalty.
Having said that, when they're coming up through the ranks keepers spend a lot of their their time taking shots during the warm up and I've seen some keepers with better shooting ability than many outfield players.

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I must admit Baldy,I was unsure who would take it,there didn't seem to many wanting the ball.

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Perhaps cos there had been NO discussion or practice about it?:rolleyes: no-one would want the ball if the instruction was as our manager said,why would anyone else be after taking it?:confused:

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Come on this is Accrington Stanley we are talking about penalties are usually against us not in our favour.

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As that decides after the 90 mins, then i reckon well worth bothering about.

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Imagine the following hypothetical scenario......

Last minute of the last game of the season, home to Stevenage, game delicately poised at 0-0 and needing a win to either :

a) get us promoted automatically

b) secure a place in the play-offs

c) secure our place in League 2 for another season....

any player (of your choice) wanders in to the Stevenage area....goes down under a challenge and the penalty duly awarded.

Would you :

A) nominate a dedicated penalty taker who regularly practices and scores the penalties;)

or

B) take it on chance that the guy who has just been felled, has the cahunas to handle such a pressure situation. He may have already missed several key penalties in his career but hey...he was the guy who won the penalty !!!!:confused:

Forward your answer to :

The Football genius (& sidekick), Livingstone Rd. Accrington.:rolleyes:

BE SURE to mark your response with " ** I DO / DO NOT hold a recognised F.A. coaching badge" **delete as appropriate

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What an absolute tool. One day they will name an End after Jimmy Bell and they'll reserve the entire stand just for you.

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it sounds like sunday league tactics when a side is 7 nil up in the last minuit and gets a pen.

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Not only did he miss it - he kicked the ball over the bar, missing the goals completely

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While that is true, the defeat can't be laid entirely at Sean's door - in fact he was one who had had a decent game before that. We'd had plenty of time in the previous 88 minutes to score & in truth if that penalty had gone in I think Bury would've had the right to feel hard done by although of course we'd have celebrated like we'd won the fa cup! :)
Just saying there's no point villifying one player for a mistake which I'm sure he felt worse than any of us about

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You are correct up to a point however football is a results driven game and it is his fault we are out.

The way to look at it is could we have done it better. Should he have taken the penalty? Don't look back, look forward and get it right next time with a penalty

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the way I viewed the game wasn't that we played particularly bad, rather that Bury did a number on us defensively. Whilst we were allowed to play a decent amount of possession football we rarely threatened their goal. Bury stood off us but as soon as we attempted to go around the foot went in. They harried and harassed and we had little answer.

Had Sean scored rather than converted his penalty it would have been tough on Bury.

Regards the penalty one or two have asked who could/should have taken it, well Proccy was our designated spotter in the play-off season scoring something along the lines of 9 from 11. Much as I malign those that endlessly mock Coleman I've got to agree that the supposed decision to allow the earner of the penalty to take it is a ridiculous one.

I've also got to agree with those that say Sean was one of our better players. Twas the same against Hull, when he came on he was the one who looked most likely to unlock the defence. Against Bury he was constantly running at them but (again praise to Bury and them knowing how to play us) he was always forced inside and having to lay the ball backwards to restart the moves.

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Although we lost you have to take some positives from the game.
We replaced three of the four "spine of the team" positions and still give a good first division team a game.
It goes to show we have strength in depth and we shouldn't be frightened of any team

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Was just thinking that F19, I think we missed Crooks presence and passing in midfield, Whilst im one of Anthony Barrys biggest fans i think he was at fault for possibly both the goals, first where he lost possession just inside our half and give up chase of his man and for the 2nd goal on the edge of our box he did a little sweep tackle when he should have stayed on his feet and would have won the ball back!

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Well that is a wonderful contribution.

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The man who should have taken the penalty was Gerado. If this lad can get a run of games under his belt he will be a brilliant addition to the first team.
maccawozzagod if you are going to quote me please quote the whole story to express the context in which it was said.

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no problem

It changes nowt, you still claim that Coley would have to consider his position should we fail to make the play-offs. I understand that you think this squad is better than what it is. I understand that you think we are capable of reaching the play offs. And I understand that you think should we not reach the play offs then it is entirely down to the manager.

We have got a better squad than we usually have, and they are probably capable of mounting a bid for the top 7. What you are failing to take into account is that it is largely a squad of talented kids who weren't quite up to it at their previous clubs, and a smattering of possible has-beens who have/had the talent and the chances to progress but haven't taken it for whatever reason.

If Coleman is indeed the messiah then he will get the best out of this ensemble and we will start to get results, should that happen it will because of Coleman and not just because they are a talented group of players

agreed, but is he not in direct competition with Mingoia? player of the year v young and inexperienced who failed to make the grade at Liverpool, then Blackpool, then a relegated Tranmere will only produce one result.

One of the things that I like about Coleman is that when he has seen something in a player he will keep going back to the player time and again trying to unlock whatever it is that is holding him back. Bruna had enough talent to be at Real Madrid and was then stolen off them by the hub-cappers. Something has stopped him from realising that potential, if JC can find what that is then you're right, he will be a brilliant addition followed by a huge wedge of cash.

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I think Bruna is a bit of a hidden gem. He had the defenders back pedalling in disarray when he ran at them with pace, power and control and showed great determination with his finish for the goal under pressure. Close up, he looks bigger than the impression he gave me last season, so maybe he's bulked up a bit. I liked watching him and young Griffiths warming up together pre-match too. Their routine consisted of each taking turns at belting the ball vertically upwards when standing close together and then trying to bring it under control. Bruna finessed every one of his turns superbly but the youngster failed nearly every time. They were having a right laugh and it was great to see. I would love to see Bruna given more game time, but hey, I was saying the same about Morgan recently and he disappointed on Tuesday. What do I know?��