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Its very poor in my view if the "Full Price" is not given,:( i certainly wouldn't go in not knowing the price of stuff.

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At the top right of the screen under the checkout box there is an option for you to set prices with or without vat. For a retail website that should be set as vat inclusive by default by the retailer.

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The only items that have VAT added properly are socks and bearded lady doll (?).

The black polo shirt but the vat is only 1.5%, and 3 training tops 10.5%.

Shirts are £29.99 with or without VAT according to the site no matter what size, surely list adults and children's separately for VAT reasons?

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£29.99 is a good price compared to some premier league clubs who are asking for £50+

Think arsenal might be charging £60

Do people not realise these shirts cost the manufacturer less than £1 to make for premier league clubs due to the scale of the operation?

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That could be kids sizes which are vat exempt

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The price from will always be the lowest price which will be the childs price, I think if you click on the actual size required it will then bring up the correct price with correct vat

All childrens clothing up to the age of 12/13 is vat free. Strange quirk on Mitre sizing is that the XS Adult shirt is actually vat free product.

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Yep Dave it does are £39.99, I missed the from on the main page, but on the product page there is no from mentioned.

So up to 32/34" chest £29.99 and 34/36" plus is £39.99 or the same as last season.

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Yes they are. I noticed the polos are cheaper £21.99 compared to £25 last season. Shorts are dearer though, I must not have added enough on last season :)

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Strictly speaking those prices are correct as they relate to children's sizes which are vat exempt. They will not relate to the size you quoted as it is not a child size.

It's a typical marketing ploy which hooks you in at the lower price. That doesn't mean it's not a daft way of doing it since I doubt anybody will be able to reclaim the vat.

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totally confused. back off to bed.

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Confusing people is certainly NOT the right way to go.imho

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I must be in a minority here. I do not find it confusing in the slightest. Firstly select whether you want the price to be shown with or ex VAT. Then you simply select the item you want and then select the size. Correct price shown. Simples.

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Thats fine outback but if quite a few people are confused i dont regard that as good marketing, do you?:rolleyes:

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What a fuss about nothing. You go online, select your shirt / shorts size and pay the price indicated. What could be simpler? Surely we al know the the universally used" price from" covers a range of sizes. "Ain't rocket science"!:D

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I dont buy online from stanley store i go in the store, which i will not be doing now, nowt simpler than that.:rolleyes:

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I heard the stock is all up at Plastic Box Shop HQ, presuming all the deliveries will be sent out from there so probably quicker to use their website...

Not a problem for me that it says from £29.99, most online shops do say this these days!

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Funny that, i do buy many things online, not one of those i use does that!!:rolleyes:

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If its a massive online shop then you would select from childrens clothing, womens and mens - prices would be shown accordingly. Now, all shirts are under one tag and must show 'from'. It's acceptable, normal and perfectly proper.

Move along, nothing to see here.

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From what I've read about Andy Holt, I don't think there's any need to worry about this. There may be some change in future but, for the present, I'm sure that these arrangements are the best for the club

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I can understand people being wary of change because of owners at other clubs running the club into the ground for their own gains but...

So far Andy Holt has wiped 1.2 mill debt, completely bulldozed the back of the Clayton End and re building it from scratch, building a brand new stand on the Cow Shed, new drainage on the pitch, not to mention his money in the 2 months when we didn't have any income with postponed games, could we have survived without that money?

Whether you agree or disagree with some things that he's done, he has put his money where his mouth is and doing everything he said he would do!

Keep The Faith.

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Aye, Owen Oyston the second!

If there was any dishonourable intentions I'm sure he would have bought a more profitable local club like Clitheroe or Chorley perhaps :-).

As a slight aside - what many owners do in multiple businesses is run one business under the umbrella of a parent company. One business can make a loss and it is offset against the profits of the parent company. In laymans terms for us it would mean that if we made a million pound loss it would be a million pound less profit for Wham (for example), that would be a million pound less that they have to pay tax on (20% I think). To the parent company they would have saved 200k but still made an overall loss of 800k. Could the offset company be made to be worth 800k per year via advertising etc?

Not applicable to us particularly, as that hasn't happened - but it could, and it does happen.

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not uneasy at all, on the contrary

a professional company is now ensuring merchandise ordered is being processed properly with an easy to use website.

Lets be honest, until Lancs Dave got involved, merchandise customer service was poor.
I can recall articles on here of fans from around the world complaining about why their order still had not turned up 2 months later and no one from the club was taking ownership of the issues.

Lancs Dave turned merchandise around and now the Andy Holt is getting his company to take it forward.

All positive

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I tend to agree as well. One of the attractions of Stanley was that it seemed like you were contributing to the club and it was appreciated unlike some of the plastic clubs higher up the leagues where you were a customer not a fan. It was a struggle against the odds each season which made every season we stayed in the league more of a success.

Now we are backed by Andy Holt so the threat of the wolf at the door has receded. In effect we will be just another League 2 club once all the work is finished. Will that still attract curious casual fans? Who knows. I don't think Andy is here to damage the club but neither is he here to throw money away. As macca says it can be used for tax purposes, to attract grants etc and at the end of the day sold on to someone else to recoup some of the money if not all.

I haven't really looked at the online store much as I've been abroad and using my phone but from what I've saw nothing much appeals to me especially since the new shirt is so similar to the old one.

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Adults and kids would normally be listed or advertised separately by a clothing retailer, whether it is Asda or a football club. It is unique to do it the way Stanley have done it, and is more likely to **** people off an cost sales than if the prices were clear up front.

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Before the arrival of Andy Holt we were a club that was everybody's idea of a joke apart from the die hard fans that were below 900 one Tuesday night game not so long ago the only thing that would have been lost was our fantastic little club if Andy had,nt stepped in I for one think we are only going to go from strength to strength both on and off the playing field.:alright:

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Of course the club need our/your money, We can't just rely on a shareholder to bank roll us forever.

We're just now fortunate that we have Andy is putting things in place like our own catering facilities, toilet facilities etc so we can hopefully become a sustainable football club that won't need money pumping in!

If people want to sponsor a player or a matchday programme then why would you stop them?

The last thing we want to be doing is being reliant on Andy Holt putting money in because one day we may not have that money being put in, then what happens?

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I hope you are right but I was one of those 900 odd against Hartlepool but I doubt I will be again in midweek. It doesn't mean I have given up on Stanley but I can't see me putting in the same effort now.


Chances are I'll use my season ticket at ibrox more and take in some Stanley away fixtures especially at grounds I've not been to yet and home games against clubs I've not seen.

Just my opinion but the magic just doesn't seem to be there now compared to the early days in the league. Hopefully it's onwards and upwards for Stanley but nothing can be taken for granted these days

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I don't think he is trying to stop anyone doing it he just feels that it is no longer as important as the club is relatively safe these days. I tend to agree with that perception but that is just my feeling too. Stanley were never my first team as anyone who knows me is aware of but I still cared when the buckets were rattled. Hopefully those days are long gone but it doesn't change the fact that the club is far different these days.

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Dont expect owt else, after all its baldy.:D

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Stanley has been constantly changing, if we hadn't we would just have stayed in the NWCL. No one dreamed we would ever get out of the NPL, it seemed an impossibility for 2 decades, never mind league football. Lots of money was pumped in to achieve the two promotions, and even turning pro which had an initial setback.

Someone comes in to try and improve the club and fans moan and give up at at time very little has changed, only we are not the bookies relegation favourites. The ground is a **** hole and needs improvement, crowds were getting smaller by the season before Holt came in, and the club can't even provide water in the toilets and 'Mr T' thought that was an okay way to treat fans. The improvement are more than welcome and Stanley still need every penny from any source possible.

I assume the plastic industry could be hit thanks to the pound/dollar fall after the brexit :)

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You are right, Stanley are no longer the tinpot club who joined the league, they are just another league two club. That's where people lose interest because there are another 23 of those. If Stanley are successful and move on that's great for the fans but if they don't then how many diehards will be left. As many unknowns as brexit perhaps :-D

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I can't quite believe what I'm reading here, have I missed something and we've become an overnight highroller club?

Of course the club still needs our money, for a start every pound spent is another pound further away from Andy pulling out ...

The money currently being spent is the £600k that Andy put in at the start of his tenure, the other 600k being what was used to wipe out the debt if I remember rightly. He has probably put more in as well to ensure that jobs are done properly and in a timely fashion. This is all work that should have been done years ago but we never had enough money coming in to get it done and Eric had spent his lot getting us out of non-league.

Had the work been done ten years ago, we may have been able to retain some of our increased crowds over the years, but leaking stands and boggy bogs ensured that the allure of our tinpottedness retained as few as possible. The work being done now gets us back onto an even keel and gives us only a fighting chance of increasing crowds. No more, no less. I don't think it would be unkind to suggest that Andy may be deluded if he believes in the 'build it and they will come' mantra.

When all is said and done, we will still be in the bottom two or three with regards to crowd size, budget and crappy small ground (only Morecambe can really challenge us on crowds and budget). Andy will not be putting half a million plus into the club every season, so the money needed to get us off the foot of those various tables will come from paying a pound for team sheets, 50/50 tickets and various other tinpotteries. JC also went on record as saying that he will not be seeing any money coming into the playing squad, and wouldn't want it as it spoils his ethos. So we're still tinpot there as well. The only difference is we have the stability to offer 2 year contracts now and may start to see some profit on player sales in future, instead of being grateful for £30k and a set of tracksuits for our best players.

The fact that the clubstore is utilising another webstore is neither here nor there. Fair do's if you don't like the pricing structure on there, it's not perfect - but 12 months ago nothing at all was perfect.

People spent half of last season (our greatest ever?) moaning about the fayre on offer at the pie stalls, well this year we'll be selling our own stuff and be in a position to correct anything. Let's take our small victories and roll with them.

I hardly read this forum anymore because some people seem to think if nothing has been posted for a day or two then they need to have a moan about something or nothing. You don't. Find something positive to say instead.

:hidewall:

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So yeh aint to comment about summat yeh dont happen to like then, may suit you, but sure as hell dont suit me, ive never been an arse kisser and too owd to start now.:rolleyes:

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what a surprise that you're the first to comment :rolleyes:

who mentioned arse kissing. I really think that you, above all else, are one who should think that it's sometimes better to say nowt.

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I mentioned arse kissing, as for the other yeh got no chance.:rolleyes:

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Nowt to say so you say summat

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You asked the question i answered it simple as. better to say few words than loads of crap imho,

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You're a clown. You proved it with your statement that you dont like the online store so now you wont even go in the shop.

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I can't believe that people on here who want us still to have rubbish facilities, tin pot stands etc all because it might apply to the casual walk on fan. Well it can't of been that appealing as it was as I don't see us getting 3000 plus every week. Some people are never happy with change, we have got a chairman, who's putting money into the club, better pitch, stands etc which hopefully will attract more walk on fans because they won't be standing under a leaking roof for 90mins on a cold wet Tuesday night in December. i agree with macca. I think I would rather be just another league two team, than wondering if we are going survive year on year money wise.

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Spot on Macca, You said what I was trying to say but worded it better!

So what do we want to be, Tinpot with sh*te facilities or another league two club that can offer basic facilities that can attract families, like running water and our own catering facilities which all money goes back into the club to spend on other things?

I hope Andy Holt doesn't read this thread, He must be scratching his head wondering why he's even bothering!

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Because i like the price i pay to be displayed, you should know all about clowns you n baldy yer authorities on the subject.:rolleyes:

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My God, I see cashman is still moaning. If we got promoted, he would say it wasn't done the correct way.

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The price you see on the online store is shown ex VAT and plus VAT. So an adult home or away shirt is £33 odd plus the VAT taking it to £39.99. It is as clear as daylight on the online store. :D

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Then dont be a div and go in the shop where it will have a correct price ticket attached. You're that humbug that you probably stopped buying humbugs when we went metric as you didnt like how the weight was displayed

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Oh dear yer back, sorry didn't realize i was upsetting royalty.:rolleyes: yeh got a very high opinion of yerself, i dont share it.:rolleyes:

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Share it? I never thought any different, you have such an odd view of everything you post about, that I am delighted you dont share my view, otherwise I would have an issue, ha ha

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agree 100%

support the club with your attendance, your mouth, your money

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he said he would stop coming if Coleman was re-appointed, he said the attendances would halve (still waiting for the mass exodus), he said Coleman played long ball (unlike his beloved james long ball beattie) and coleman would be a disaster.

i suppose the last 2 seasons have been a fluke!

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First the Tories, then Labour, and now the Accyweb has started a civil war. It must be why they call this time of the year the off-season.:rolleyes:

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Please find and highlight were i said these things,I never once said coleman would be a disaster as i recall, i dont particularly like him, thats well known but hes a damn good manager for stanley without question, all those that really know me will tell yeh ive always said that, but still if it amuse yeh.

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I just wish he would be postive and get behind everything thats trying to be achieved at the club. Everyone wants success and all that comes with it.

As for the club web shop, I think it a great start, you do have to weigh up the cost of creating a stand alone club web shop against the sales revenue. The current one is a great start and allows those supporters who cant get to the ground to buy. It appears to me Andy holts company is bearing the cost of setting this up and the adminastration that goes with it.

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Cashy - Why would you boycott the Stanley Store just because the way they're selling online isn't to your liking? I'm assuming the store itself will still sell these items? You could still go in and buy merchandise if that's how you've always done it??

Also, purely out of curiosity, do you buy a shirt every season (or at all)? Just wondering how much this situation affects you?

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Yeh got a couple of shirts plus other stuff.also buy occasionally for children. never bought one last season stripes plus that big square just aint for me.

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come on lads lets calm down a bit. this is a thread about the stanley store and not a slagging off forum for people who see the club in different ways. at the end of the day if you purchase something on line the price you see plus postage is the price you pay. you don,t have to read carefully to see if its there. its not a club rip off but to me its a mistake that should be rectified.

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I go to the store and find them really helpful every time. Thank you Stanley staff!

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So do i, but thats not an option for some fans, which is my point. some only consider themselves, for that i blame Thatcher.

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What's the mistake with the online store? Some people may be able to purchase items excluding VAT, hence the reason items are shown VAT free, however, the amount of VAT is also listed and the full price plus VAT is also shown, I do not see the problem. eg if you go to Costco shopping, they also list items VAT free, with the small print showing how much the VAT is, which if you are not VAT registered you will have to pay. Same thing really.

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:biggrin8::biggrin8::biggrin8::biggrin8::biggrin8: :biggrin8:

Now its all Thatchers fault!

Makes a nice change from Sean McConville

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sorry outback i can,t agree. for a start who are these people who can purchase items vat free as i,d like to join them all. just looked at a random 5 clubs that sell online through their shop and all adult shirts is pay the price shown which will include vat. never been to Costco but where i have purchased items vat is not mentioned, just the price you have to pay.

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I never even heard of Costco, but wherever i been just the price yeh pay is displayed,

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Website is misleading. Not normal for non-trade websites to show price ex vat.

Still not as misleading as my optimism after last season's game against Wycombe.

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If you look on the O.A.S.S.C twitter page it says home and away shirts available from tomorrow in the Accrington market shop and displays the prices you pay presume you know where it is and have been in their Cashy?

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you presume right have been in and used it last season.

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What do people not get, the shirts are been sold on a business/consumer platform, hence the vat is shown separately, when you buy a shirt in any sports store or on the web you get a receipt and they show the vat broken out. That’s the law in the UK.



By selling these on this web site, one assumes there is cost savings to be made, not having to have a stand-alone web shop. Never mind the time of setting one up at this early stage.

It appears to me some on here, think the money is flowing in and there are no cash issues. One assumes the club is still trying to break even, so why add extra costs, when you can save cash using the web platform. I would say, it pretty good for the owner Andy (major shareholder that is) to be prepared to deal with the complexity of the issues in his own business, when it comes to buying and selling for a third party. (If that’s how it may be set up)


Buy your shirt and move on....:mad::mad::mad:

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Atleast we don't have to see this kit week in week out!

https://twitter.com/stevenagefc/stat...08141389475840

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No, but we still have to play the b*****s twice a season :(

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We will have to agree to disagree. Corporate business's that are VAT registered can buy items free of VAT through retail outlets. However, the ordinary guy or gal on the street cannot and must pay VAT at the going rate. Costco, by the way,is a large retail warehouse store where you can bulk buy. Mainly used by shop owners and businesses, but can be used by the general public.

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we can,t agree on everything, but thanks for the vat explanation and Costco stuff.

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It would seem the Wham are pushing Stanley gear to their customers as well, so if the 'confusing' addition of vat gets us a few dozen more sales it is a worthy sacrificie

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This thread gets my vote for the most ridiculous in 12 years of the forum!

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I think the one about the hot dog sausages being too long clinched that title last season :)

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Personally would like to vote for last year's kit launch thread that at one point mentioned "Mitre Stanley playing in Claret and Pink". That one got very stupid, very quickly.