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Must say I'm very excited for 3pm in Saturday to arrive. I can feel it in my water that Cheltenham will be given a hiding they'll never forget, but the intriguing question is who will deliver it?

Presumably Messrs Gornell and Stanley Fletcher have played their way into contention? Boco is playing well, O'Sullivan back hopefully, Clark too good to drop (in my opinion), Seamus returning to form, Brown almost irreplaceable because we need a hard man. McConville doing ok..... I wonder if Cheltenham wouldn't mind if we make this one 13-a-side?

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Think Mconvilles banned?

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You're right Cashy, both Sean & Donacien have collected the required no. of yellows to receive a one match ban so neither will be in contention for this one

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The Don is out??? Jesus, how could one so noble and fair ever find his way into even the most zealous of referee's notebook?

11-a-side it is. Bring it on.

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With the standard of referees we usually get, Jesus himself would more than likely be booked if he played for Stanley . . . . . after all, even Paul Mullin did not escape their eagle eyes :rolleyes:

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I cant see Coley changing his usual formation but in lieu of Donacien being absent I'd be tempted with a 3-5-2

Chapman
Pearson Hughes Beckles

Hewitt Conneely Brown
Boco Ronnie

Gornell Fletcher


Nowt against Billy but a rest would do him good as he gets battered every week

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Am I being thick - who's Ronnie??

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I'd say O'Sullivan....

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Last time we tried 3 at the back Vyner ended up as a right winger.Who is Ronnie by the way?

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Deffo Rocket Ronnie O'Sullivan. I dont think he suits John. By the way, if you ever hear me refer to Luke it is Jordan Clark, I dont think he suits Jordan :-)

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Fair enough Macca, you're not the only one who re-names players - Michael Liddle was always Billy to my mum, apparently he didn't look like a Michael :)

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can,t say what i used to call craig lindfield in public.

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That's a bit naughty - Craig had his moments, he was one of the best make-do right backs we've had :rolleyes:

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I'll wager a bet on it being similar to what many have called Sean McConville.;):D

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I'll bet that the only moments Craig had in public were when Monkey Hanger called him those names!!!!:gooddog:

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The squad can really show us what there made of tomorrow, with 2 regulars missing.

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I always turn up too late to see or find the "fanzone, I was told it was at the Clayton End but the car park is still empty?

Any update on the Wall of Honour and Memorial Arch either?

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^^ lol ^^

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Cheltenham have conceded 999 league goals:
999 not out: Will Cheltenham Town history be made at Accrington Stanley? | Gloucestershire Live

The 700th (Phil Edwards) and 800th (Bobby Grant) were scored by Stanley. Who's going to score the 1,000th?

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Not fussy who scores it as long as somebody does the honours tomorrow :)

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I'm fussy, we score more than them. :D

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Hope the info on the reduced ticket prices has been put out there & it boosts the gate a bit but have only seen it advertised on our fishy site - has anyone seen it anywhere else? Not much use having a promotion that's not being promoted :rolleyes:

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only seen it on fishy and by e-mail which i get wi being a season ticket holder.:rolleyes:

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It has been on the club's and supporters' Facebook and Twitter sites but don't know how it has been put over to those who are 'internetless.'

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Thats really the question sherry, many older people never use the net that i know.:eek:

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I know fans of other clubs who have loyalty cards who were looking forward to today, so promotions like this mean they are less likely to get one next season needing more games to break even. They should have extended it to loyalty card holders, it is a no brainer.

Nowt can done for ST holders though, but I wouldn't count Season Tickets and Loyalty Cards as ongoing 'promotions' as the advert says, the club really needs to think about these things more including the wording. Obviously we are lucky to have Season Tickets and Loyalty cards due to some 'promotion' and it isn't a two way thing where fans have paid up front to support the club also.

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Personally i'm all in favour of promotions to try to increase gates, but it needs doing right in my view.

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I've spoken to a couple of people in town this morning who aren't regulars but still follow Stanley's fortunes & get to games when they can, they didn't know anything about the reduction as they said it hadn't been in the local paper or on radio lancs but would probably have come if they had known prior to today - only a couple I know but surely every extra person counts, that's thirty quid at least missing from today's takings

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We need a really massive ROAR today from the Stanley faithful in order to help the players get the three points available!
Coley and Jimmy have got the team playing some lovely passing football again this season similar to last season. If we can convert more of the chances that we make I think that there is no reason why we can't get into the play offs again!
It will be interesting to see the starting eleven today but also the subs list too as a few of the squad have not played a lot recently and Donacien and McConville are suspended.

Let's all get right behind the team and make ......
LOTS OF NOISE!!!:jimbo::theband::jimbo:

KEEP THE FAITH!!!:cheers::s_gupjump:s_gupjump

ON STANLEY ON!!!:theband::mosher:

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:) Josh windass is in the mainstand :)

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Another two points lost at home, another result lost in the dying minutes..:mad:

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our form over the last three (very winnable) league games hasn't even reached the height of mid-table mediocrity.

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Why when a game looks 50/50 does a defender get substituted for a forward? A ridiculous thing to do in my eyes.:mad:

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Ggrrrrrrr!!!!!

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Ps, Eagles = sold a pup
Pps, great game from the ref
Ppps, what a strange mix of shapes and sizes they were. Three Giants and two midgets.

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The people making these decisions are qualified to do so. Are You?:D:D

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No but i'm qualified to see stupidity.:D

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The first 15/20 minutes were hopeful. But why not go with the team who won at Chesterfield?? If the game looks poor you can change personnel or tactics at half time or during the game. Chris Eagles needs several games on the run to get anywhere near his best, The communication amongst our players is still a big problem. We should have won that game by at least two goals. I am afraid the Manager must look to his tactics and plan B as this is poor. we left the substitutions until it was too late to turn the game. I am also disappointed at the marketing strategy of the club. The lack of a proper promotion and publicity person is so obvious it is an embarrassment. The gate seem to be getting a little less and watching today it is easy to see why.

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Onwards and upwards

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Well, onwards, anyway.

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Coley and Bell need to take a long hard look at their tactics this afternoon. We were forced to watch an absolute shambles. I can't blame the players on the pitch they didn't pick themselves, it was purely a case of poor selection and bizarre substitutions. I could go on!!!!!!

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It's normally November when the top few teams break away (there is a regular pattern of this over the past 8 out of 10 years). If we have any hope of being close to that group, we must win the next 2.

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Agree, Davo, November has usually been an early benchmark.
Didn't see the game today but, until the 89th minute, Stanley were occupying the last play-off spot. But the front runners are starting to pull away with their consistency. Draws are not good enough to keep up in the long run.
Was very hopeful when I saw the team selection before kick-off, but am really disappointed if they again failed to live up to expectations.
However, whenever Rovers and Burnley are not playing, it seems inevitable that Stanley have a less than inspiring result.

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My memory is a bit ****e but I thought he took Hughes off before the goal and it seemed to make sense at that point. What made less sense was the later subs. But i suppose Coleman had his reasons.

Cheltenham looked a poor team but they gave us little time on the ball and we seemed to stop trying to move after a while. I feel that Clark and O'Sullivan should be unlocking defences but don't seem to get the sort of service that Piero got. It all comes back to the centre of midfield for me. Cheltenham seemed to pick up all the loose balls.

Vyner is an enigma. Very comfortable, can beat a man but his passing is shocking. Halliday has not been replaced with his surging runs and linking with Piero. I think he's got it in him though.

Anyway, at least I think it's just a case of things coming together rather than it being a lost cause this season. We can still surge up that table.

I agree Eagles probably needs more of a run of games, but he really really looks a poor player to me.

Saw Josh at half time. (Which was nice). He kindly held the door of the clubhouse open for Er Indoors. I was going to strike up some conversation but then remembered the embarrassing occasion I tried to chat to Morrissey on a flight back from Cork and decided better of it.

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To me to take Hughes off and replace him with a striker, when the game could have gone either way, was very poor judgement imho.

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Having watched coley's after match interview I have to say he took responsibility. He was fair in his assessment of the game all round, I hope he does have a long hard look at his tactics and selections. The timing of unenforced substitutions is critical. All round there needs to be a session on communication, I noticed the looks on players faces when there was no outlet for them to pass to. we persist in playing one striker up front for long periods which is too much of an ask for a player. We don't get up to support the lone striker anywhere near quick enough. I just hope we can get it right. We have enough talent in the squad to beat any team in this division.

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Whilst he took responsibility, he also said Cheltenham played ever so well !!! I certainly didn't and neither did anyone around our bunch, In fact i would go so far as to say, i thought they were one of the worst Div2 sides ive seen this season.

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Absolute cock of a comment Cashy. It was 0-0 and they had just gone down to ten men, and took a striker off. We reacted correctly to that and went 3 at the back. It led directly to our goal.

No defending the shambles of a goal coceded but it wasnt because of a crap substitution

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So all those that thought the same made a cock of a comment. and there was quite a few around us.:rolleyes:

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After the heroics at Chesterfield on Tuesday, I think we all thought this would be a walk in the park. How wrong can you be. Cheltenham defied their lowly league position and the odds to come back from 1-0 down to frustrate Stanley with only 10 men!
I can't agree they were a poor team. They were lively and passed the ball quickly and effectively. If they were poor, I've seen worse at the Wham. To keep 45% possession away from home is no mean feat. Even after Stanley scored and they lost a man, they continued to press our defence.
Must admit I too was surprised at the team selection thinking Coleman would play the same team that thrashed Chesterfield. Why no GTF?
Some of the later substitutions seemed illogical. Another frustrating performance in front of our own supporters, but perhaps no more than we deserved.
:mad:

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Been out all evening at a superb Beer Festival at The Fort's Arms in Clayton le Moors, 'twas the centre of the whole Universe tonight!
Bitterly disappointed with our performance today against a very ordinary looking Cheltenham side!
I cannot understand why we started with three players wide on the right who are all of similar styles...O'Sullivan, Clarke and Boco could all play the same position but O'Sullivan did start wide on the right, with Boco on the left and Clarke buzzing around behind O'Sullivan! We didn't start with a single left sided player! Also Pearson was playing left back, (He is clearly right footed!) but did his job well as he always does!
The defence looked quite solid but we were sadly lacking in midfield. Seamus was coming back from injury but sadly rediscovered his early season mediocre form and contributed little. Scotty Brown buzzed about but lots of passes went astray and we always seemed to be beaten to the second ball in midfield today!
Up front Terry just does not do enough physically for me, although he took his header really well when he found himself unmarked!
After about twenty minutes I remarked that we were making a very ordinary Cheltenham team look good!
Free kicks for us ...OMG....two players running over the ball and the third kicking it way over the crossbar........must take a lot of practice to achieve that guys!
Refereering? ...pathetic! Although it was by no means a dirty match, Cheltenham could/should have had three players sent off! No 7 and No 28 both booked early on got away with a number of professional fouls later and should have both gone before the one sending off. Amazingly the Ref branded a second yellow for the professional foul on Terry when he was clean through on goal which did result in a red card but surely it should have been a straight red card anyway!
I took my youngest Grandson on for his first Stanley experience and after half time we moved from the Clayton End to the Whinney Hill 'Grandstand' to get a better view from four feet off the ground!. We sat about a third of the way down the pitch in the classic 'offside' zone behind the referee's assistant. I could not believe the lack of input from him at one incident where Beckles was going for a clearing header and got the right side of Cheltenham's centre forward to get his header in and had his shirt clearly pulled!. He still got his header away but as it happened I called for the foul to the liner shouting..."Liner, you must have seen the shirt pull because I saw it! You are supposed to 'Assist' the referee man! Do your job!"
Overall a fairly poor performance from us with an imbalanced side lacking in midfield and up front!
Must do better IMHO!:hidewall:

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Choirboy- it was the best referee performance I've seen at the Wham. A lesser man could have sent Boco off for a slightly late challenge but instead had the awareness to know there was no malice. This bloke played on at every opportunity. He was a breath of fresh air.
In my humble opinion of course!

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Cashy - Cheltenham were poor individually, but played well as a team I thought. They definitely knew how to contain us.

Whilst Coleman's interview was not entirely consistent I think he knows he has a good squad of players and ultimately the success (or lack of it) rests with him.

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Best referee performance? Really - were we at The same game? He should've sent off their player for that terrible tackle in the first half on Rommy which sent him clattering into the railings near the dugout - he bottled it & ended up dithering through the rest of the game, maybe him not booking Rommy was his way of compensating for his earlier mistake but their players took their cue from that & subsequently got away with murder as Mr. Miller lost his grip on the game

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a few observations from a very forgettable game. i found the game to be a total bore. poor passes abounding and certain players always looking to pass backwards when they receive the ball. our free kicks in goal scoring positions are on par with a poor sunday league side and why do other sides look more dangerous than we do when they get a corner. do we practice either, if not we should really spend a lot of time on both as points have been dropped with other sides getting their set pieces right. neither side deserved a win yesterday. as for the ref. well where do you start. still playing to last years laws regarding goal scoring opportunity decisions. as we saw a few weeks ago hughes sent off correctly, yesterday their guy got a yellow then the red as he was previously cautioned. as for the romy incident he continued to follow up on his challenge which to me was excessive force as they call it. a day to forget, can,t be any worse next week against afc oyston unfortunatly i wont be their to witness it.

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Well my first game in a few weeks and I have to say my word it was poor. I almost nodded off in the 2nd half.

The ONLY bright sparks for me where O Sullivan and Gornell who scored a great header. As for the rest, massively average at best. Cheltenham bossed the game for large period's and I thought their number 7 in particular bossed the Midfield.

Massively forgettable afternoon out.

Will be interesting to see how many Tangerine's make the trip next Saturday. One thing is for sure, we need to improve.

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No League 2 team is so poor that they haven't figured out how to frustrate Stanley by pressing them constantly. Cambridge looked pretty average.

From watching yesterday's 'highlights' (sic) one of the questions would be why did Mr. Chapman choose to parry the header that lead to their goal? I know all about light balls moving in the air and all that stuff, but the header wasn't that hard. The Cheltenham keeper simply caught an equally good header from Rommy. Chapman is a giant, he could touch the bar standing still. Why can't keepers hold onto balls that are headed more or less straight at them? An example of panic, as Professor Coleman mentioned?

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Lord D....
Whilst I applaud our referees general attempts to maintain the flow of matches, yesterday was an example where the referee should have pulled play up occasionally after twenty minutes or so to warn players that the yellow card would be next.
Cheltenham had more than an average number of tall players who used their height to 'Barge' into our two centre backs. Beckles deservedly got the MOM award because his strength enabled him to cope better than Hughes who was substituted. It was a 'Barge' by the Cheltenham lad that caused the incident where Boco was assaulted! Their lad was trying to win a throw in by 'sheilding' the ball to let it go out of play. Boco tried, as he always does, to get around his opponent only to be shoved unceremoniously into the dug out wall! It was indeed highly dangerous play and really compromised the safety of a fellow professional. Had this happened on the street, the Cheltenham lad could well have been on a charge of attempting to cause GBH! If the referee had blown straight away for the initial 'Barge' then the second offence could have been avoided. Actually the referee, who was very close to the incident, didn't even blow his whistle or signal for an offence. He was going to give a throw in and only took action as a result of the fracas that ensued! Good refereeing Lord D?....not in my book!
Having said all of the above it was not IMHO a particulalry 'dirty' match but the referee got several decisions wrong by not punishing the barging or the professional fouls enough and yes .....Romy should have been booked late on for that foul from behind which occured right under my nose on the Whinney Hill side!

To say..."This bloke played on at every opportunity."....does not necessarily make for a good performance by a referee ...IMHO!

ps Stanley need to do better!

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Positive from yesterday - over 1500 Stanley fans on, so the trend is on the up, however, if we serve up this tripe then that trend will quickly be on a downward spiral.

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Personally I prefer the other forward Danny Webber who was in the stand.

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Sorry not a hope in hell,The guy who was sent off (24) should have gone in the first half,He commited a foul,directly in front of us , corner of clayton end cowshed, was a booking all day no doubt at all, the ref bottled it completely.no doubt cos he had just booked him 6/7 mins previously.

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It was Pearson's aimless punt down the middle at chest height leading to the free kick which lead to the corner which cost the goal. Playing against ten we needed to keep possession better than that, and if not clear it further into the channels where there is no immediate danger of a counter attack. Poor game and result all round considering.

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I didn't think Cheltenham were a poor side Morecambe were worse and beat us in the first 10 minutes we were all over them score then and it is a different game I just think that at home we are,nt playing with the swagger a confident team brings with it we just need to keep the passing game going don't,t lose the ball and give silly free kicks away with a minute to go which led to their goal, some positive performance,s for me yesterday think Vyner,s looking better every game and he,s only 19 O,Sullivan starting to go past people and a strong bench Taylor - Fletcher probably needs a game or two but hopefully signs for the season and pops a few in the net hopefully against his former club next week.

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Busby babes they always did me proud

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I agree. Quite a few around me thought Chapman should have either punched it away properly or tipped it over the bar.

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I guess you're asking for trouble if you miss three headers in and around your own 18 yrd line.

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I was too far away from the Boco shove incident to comment and will accept the ref got it horribly wrong, even though I didn't think pushing a player over was a sending off offence.

But, that apart, give me a ref like him any day in preference to the shocking one from the previous match. That the football hardly flowed this Saturday was no fault of the ref.

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But, that apart, give me a ref like him any day in preference to the shocking one from the previous match. That the football hardly flowed this Saturday was no fault of the ref.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely! We can bicker till the cows come home about the merits of the officials, but they weren't responsible for Stanley poor performance. After all, the ref correctly red carded one of their players and disallowed a goal for offside. Had he chose to ignore the linesman, we would have lost the game 1-2.
We all get frustrated when things don't go to plan & look for scapegoats to blame, referees, poor substitutions etc., but Stanley can only blame themselves for allowing the ten men of Cheltenham to equalise in the dying minutes.

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Except it wasn't just a push, as I think someone else said it was highly dangerous play - it's a wonder Rommy wasn't seriously injured but then as we know the lad will run through brick walls & carry on playing - you only have to remember the horrific injury he received in the Wimbledon play off game.
I suppose the ref was a little better at times than the one in the previous home game but that's hardly the same thing as being a decent one as Darren England is well known for being absolutely pants (& that's being polite!) He's placed highly in the **** Ref's Database on the Morecambe forum :rolleyes:

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Absolutely! We can bicker till the cows come home about the merits of the officials, but they weren't responsible for Stanley poor performance. After all, the ref correctly red carded one of their players and disallowed a goal for offside. Had he chose to ignore the linesman, we would have lost the game 1-2.
We all get frustrated when things don't go to plan & look for scapegoats to blame, referees, poor substitutions etc., but Stanley can only blame themselves for allowing the ten men of Cheltenham to equalise in the dying minutes.[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone has blamed the ref or used him as a scapegoat for our lacklustre performance - we were definitely way under par - but he certainly didn't help matters due to his inept decisions

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The Cheltenham goal was far too much like Donny's second on the opening day for my liking.

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No-one at all has blamed the ref for our inept performance, hard for some to grasp it seems.:rolleyes:

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Whilst I remember, over on that much despised and derided electronic communications media channel known as Twitter, the Cheltenham fans are not entirely happy with our Terry. Claim he dived (and then compounded his sins with over enthusiastic goal celebrations). I must admit that when the ref blew I didn't know if it was for a foul or for simulation. Here's a photograph of the said incident..... with the caption "Who Shot Terry Gornell"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CubAs-4WEAAoqvo.jpg

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He was chopped down and it should have been a straight red.

What is the point of showing that picture on its own? Are you saying his arms should be down by his side an not breaking is fall, or is the criticism that he looked like he was possibly appealing mid air. He was clean through and chopped down with no attempt at the ball.

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They've clearly airbrushed out their players from the photo of Terry being chopped down - looking at that they make it look like he was all on his own on the pitch & fell over fresh air!!
Yeah, ok he went towards their fans when celebrating but it was hardly an over the top celebration - sour grapes more like, if they should've treated him better at Cheltenham Terry might've given them some respect

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I wondered whether it had been airbrushed but here's another one at the point of "contact". Since he was travelling a bit I think the shot with his arms in the air could well have been a couple of yards further on? Anyway, they are not best pleased with Terry but Terry doesn't actually give a monkeys.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuUrcaAW8AA1phG.jpg

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if they aint best pleased,i'm delighted.:Dit was an obvious foul to all but the terminally stupid so says everything to me about yon lot.

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Gornell's post-goal reaction was a bit OTT.

On TV it looks like he's screaming at a solitary old man on the terrace.

Not sure what his beef with Cheltenham is but he doesn't seem to like them much. On the face of it they look like they were pretty loyal to him (5 goals in 60 games).

I'm sure he has his reasons but he did look like a bit of an eejit.

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Apparently he was inviting him into the carpark afterwards to sort out their differences! (According to unofficial Cheltenham sources on, erm, twitter). Surprised me as I thought only ukippers did that.

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Had a peak on Cheltenham's fans forum - they really don't like our Terry do they? Some if 'em are determined to show him how they feel by unfollowing him on Twitter - I bet he'll lose sleep over that :rolleyes:
Seriously though, if he was inciting their fans as is being claimed I doubt it would've gone unnoticed by the officials, bad as they were! Also, surely CTFC themselves would've put in a complaint?

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Seems a case of those who giveth can't taketh.

Like when Kevin Ellison was getting baldy abuse and scored then slapped his head and that obese Stanley fan wanted to kick off with him at their place on the Good Friday game.

Players learn to take it in their stride whilst fans become over emotional cretins.