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So what Stanley are going to turn up tonight. Hopefully a classic of last couple of seasons away performance. Although we are going to have to deal with the wet and wild north east conditions. Need a good result for confidence. Who will fill the void of no super Matt.

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Certainly won't be easy but then no games are, I'd imagine Mark Hughes will fill in for Matty?

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Think they might win tonight Di......if they all 'turn up ' and shake off their current state of mediocrity that is !

ps..You'd better get your skates on or you won't be there for the kick-off !

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A result of some sort fer us is definitely needed tonight.and if its against Stellings troopers then thats fine wi me.:D

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Radio Hartlepool say they are lucky not to be down at half time and reckon Kee missed 4 good chances.

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Following the match on both the Fishy site and on the BBC site....
Sounds like we have had lots of chances!!!!
We just need a 'Predator' in front of goal!!!:cool:

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Yeah, I missed the bus - flippin work got in the way :rolleyes:

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12 shots only two on target. Hartlepools have had one.

Dreading the second half.

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Sounds omiously like last sat.:eek:hope not.

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Hughes sent off, Penalty to Hartlepool saved but rebound goes in 1-0 them:eek:

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B@llucks. Hughes off as well.

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15 shots to 5 and we're a clucking goal down and sown to 10.

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Same old problems can,t score cost us last season and this season is even worse.

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"@gibby9790: This ref has lost his f@#king mind. Never seen the like. Absolute disgrace."

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Kee off Lacey on

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Radio Hartlepool don't know what pen was for and say Stanley playing well with 10 men.

I'm beginning to think the Jam Butty houses may have cursed us.

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Can't score, need to score, take off Kee - so do we presume GF-T is being ferried around the country in Stanley's bus for sight-seeing purposes ?:confused:

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We have 2 main problems this season,

We don't have a clinical striker and Hughes can't play 3 games a week, the manager needs to find a proper finisher and get rid of some of the tried and tested but not good enough players like Gornell while rotating the defence.

I still firmly believe we have the most unfit squad in the league and this is and always has been the biggest weakness under Coleman , some may call it something different such as professionalism but to me it's a lack of proper fitness throughout the team at a time in football when fitness is absolutely key and it's giving other lesser teams an advantage over us.

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Five to go...staring another defeat in the face

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Two down now....not good enough ??

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Game sounds bloody cruel.

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2 down going to be a struggle this season Saturday could be a big day.

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Down to 18th 3 points off bottom.

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Coleman out...... Andy holt out....... conference bound! Last one out switch off the lights :rolleyes:

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All over.

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Don,t think Andy Holt will put up with this for long.

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Touch of deja vu!! All those shots & pressure, they get a penalty & it all unravels??? What the chuff is going on - where's the fighting spirit that saw us beat Burnley, Bradford (twice) & take West Ham to the wire.
Dan said tonight he was baffled - aren't we all!!!

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worrying,,,,, very worrying!

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Demotion is only 2 points and a one nil defeat to Cheltenham away! :eek:

Forget any talk of play-offs, Stanley are in a fight for league survival for the next three months at least.
I don't expect to hear anymore about the "potential" of players when it's guts that will be needed now.

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Unfit squad? Would a unfit squad beat Bradford on penaltys? Would an unfit squad take burnley to extra time and win? Would an unfit squad nearly take West Ham to extra time? We're just in a bad spell we need to rally behind the team and push them through it

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We where better side uptil the penalty. Luck wasn't with us one minute billy gets shoved over in box no pen and then it was hard to see what their penalty was for. It looked like a shove by Hughes?after that we still had a couple of chances. If we can keep confident enough and put away some of our chances are luck will change.

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Really strange division this year,anybody can beat anybody.
Two wins your in playoffs,two defeats relegation zone !!
Acci are a top ten team and have no doubt they will ride out this sticky spell.
Just need a bit of luck in front of goal.

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These games are the exceptions and not the norm. Bad spell started in August we're now leaving November.

Agree we need to rally. These next games are massive.

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Why do we love this cruel game?
We lose games we deserve to win & win games we've no right to.
If we repeat this again on Saturday against Yeovil, then the brown stuff will really hit the fan!
Our next match could prove to be the most important home game of the season.

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Just seen the video. Looks like Hughes grabs their man. looked a foolish thing to do yet again from him.

No point panicking. We are starting to play well and create chances. Need some goals and our back four back in place. We'll climb this table faster than we've slid down it.

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What does that mean? You think he'll pull out because we're having a bad spell?
Just supposing he did (not that I think he would) that's suggesting he must've come into this with his eyes closed & only expecting good times & I don't think he's that naive

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There speaks the much needed voice of reason, well said F19 :)

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nothing much in the game until the penalty decision. usual missed chances first half and another free kick aimed at some guy near the back of the stand. didn,t have much luck either second half. great save by carson from a boco shot and a defender heading the ball off the line. every loose ball seamed to fall to a pools defender who had time to clear . can,t comment on the decision to give the penalty as it was the far end of the ground but i do remember we,ve had history with this ref at the crown the last two seasons. totally lost it after that and in the handbags that happened just after the re start he found reasons to caution 2 of ours and none for them. need some belief in front of goal and i think woking will really be looking forward to the game after watching us the last few weeks.

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I really can't understand all the doom mongers? If a team is NOT creating chances then fair enough, but commonsense says if yeh are, then eventually the worm will turn. K.T,F. yeh sad gets.

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don,t think its doom mongers its just facts as they see it. did we really look like scoring first half last saturday even with good build up play and same first half last night. as for our free kicks in goal scoring positions the facts are they are poor to say the least. we might play decent football but it all comes to nothing in the final quarter of the pitch .

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If this is our points return from good performances heaven help us when we hit a bad run.

Hopefully a fit Billy Kee will make a difference goal scoring wise if he 's played off someone.

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We will have to disagree on that,The last post demonstrates what i mean.:rolleyes: Who said good performances?? I said if were creating chances eventually the worm will turn, a simple fact some are unable to grasp imho.

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If this is our points return when we're making chances heaven help us when we don't make chances.

Hopefully a fit Billy Kee will make a difference goal scoring wise if he 's played off someone.

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Billy Kee will no doubt help things along when fully fit.Doubt very much if this side will stop making chances on a regular thing,converting em is a different matter.

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3 goal scoring chances per game converted = certain promotion
10 goal scoring chances per game missed = certain relegation
SIMPLES!

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Only simple if it continues for the season, which i doubt very much it will SIMPLES also.;)

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I am a little worried as to why we are not rotating the squad often enough. We seem to stick to the same players and because one or two may score an odd goal or two they never seem to be moved to suit different games. We have players who should be playing a lot more than they are but for some reason don't get a look in. We should be beating teams like Hartlepool. Newport, etc, to even be considered contenders for a promotion or play off. We lost some great players last season for various reasons and this season with the replacements we are struggling terribly. On Paper we should be battling the top. I still believe the table is far too tight to call at this point as a couple of wins can lift you so far up. But we have to start to deliver the quality of football needed to win at all costs. The manager has to make different choices than of late. It is obvious the tactics are not working. Many of our players have played at higher levels and should be capable of seeing off many of the teams that have beaten us. I will be there on Saturday. If we have not hit a serious winning streak before Christmas I fear nothing short of a clearout will do. We can't allow even the thought of the R word to cross our minds.

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Cash, I respect your opinion & admire your optimism.
Yes, we are creating chances, but we seem unable to convert any.
We can't automatically expect Billy Kee to save us. He played for 70 minutes last night, had 2 or 3 chances, but failed to score any.
This goes back to the latter end of last season, when I remember posts about the general goal drought & Billy Kee in particular 'losing his touch'.
The point is, you can create as many chances as you like in a game, but if you don't score any of em, your in trouble.
I'm sure John, Jimmy & the boys are all smarting after our recent run, the bad luck, lousy refereeing decisions & sucker punches!
Somebody is due a thrashing! Lets all hope its Yeovil.

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Who would your starting XI be for Saturday?

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I'm with Cashy. We'll score if we create enough chances.

With regards to rotation problems. I don't see that at all. No point rotating our goalie, back four, middle two and Billy Kee. They need to perform consistently like they usually do. We just need the others: Boco, Clark, O'Sullivan, Shay, Sean, GTF to be giving us the creativity and cutting edge. These sorts of players are less consistent - so keep them motivated and hungry. Coleman does seem to rotate these players and I think it's starting to work to be honest.

We did lose some class players last season but Windass and Crooks rarely played together, we've got a better defence so in theory shouldn't need as many goals.

If I'm honest my main concern is what happens when the transfer window opens. Beckles and the Don are in great demand by Championship clubs - what happens if some decent money is offered for them. If we are mid-table at that point would you write off this season and sell them?

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[QUOTE=Lord Didsbury;1181903]I'm with Cashy. We'll score if we create enough chances.


We did lose some class players last season but Windass and Crooks rarely played together, we've got a better defence so in theory shouldn't need as many goals.

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Did they not play together Aug - Dec ie half the season.

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This is actually a pretty average season. After 17 games, we have always had between 19 and 23 points, with 2 exceptions - last season when we had 29, and 13/14 when we had 17 (having recovered from 1 point from 8, 2 from 10, with a 7-match unbeaten run). So 20 this time is not great but not disastrous.

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Nice to have some context. I think it appears worse as no one is cut adrift yet at the bottom.

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In reply to Inspector Morse.
I am not fully aware of the whole situation but assuming all are fit. The GTF would be on at the start along with another of the strikers. Why Chris Eagles can't get a game is beyond comprehension. He is a playmaker and has striking capabilities not to be ignored. I would put beccles, in centre midfield. with O'Sullivan Eagles, and maybe one of the academy players on the wing for their experience with a back up if they become out of their depth. Jordan Clark, Brown, Mark Hughes is always a good defender, This would be a basic eight to be the mainstay of the team, That leaves room for other selections and the ability to change tactics during the game, with substitutes who have strengths to combat the type of team we are playing I am not watching the training sessions so I can't comment on the players who are not being picked even for the squad. It is not easy but we do seem to get in a rut very easily. I think we need to keep our game much wider as we all say the same that we always seem to bunch up on the Whinney Hill side and we rarely win a ball in the air. we play our best football on the floor. Our passing can be very wayward far to often. We need to tighten up and play with some precision. Many more players need to take responsibility for having a shot and stop laying the ball off. We can't do this with some of the teams we play. They are too quick on the ball. a lot to take in. Agree or not we need to do something different.

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Watching the very brief 'highlights' from last night's match two things seemed clearer.
The first was the reason the ref penalised Hughes, although a penalty and yellow would have been punishment enough as there was no certainty that either of the two 'Pool attackers would have a goal scoring opportunity from a hopeful 'howitzer'.
The second was that, despite the hard lesson from Cambridge, the Stanley players, other than Parrish, still don't seem to be awake at penalties.
At Cambridge there wasn't any Stanley forward following up the rebounds from the keeper's two saves. Last night it was the reverse. The Stanley players were left on the starting line by the speed and anticipation of the Hartlepool player who ran onto the parried save.
Looked like a lack of concentration and basic awareness of what is likely to happen.
Maybe that's an example of the 'fitness' problem that DAVO alluded to?

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Under FA rules a player can only sign for one club a season unless it's a free transfer so either way beckles would not be able to leave as for the don wasn't he signed on short term deal till January?

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And under new rules stopping a goal scoring opportunity is now only deemed a yellow card offence unless malice is shown, Hughes should not of been sent off

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If some decent money comes in it will make a ******* change. Mid-table in Jan would be great also.

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Thats what i understand to be the dons position until Jan?

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"Denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity in the penalty area is no longer a straight red card - unless the offence is holding, pulling or pushing; there's no attempt to play or no possibility of making a challenge; or it's an offence which is punishable by a red card, no matter where on the pitch it happens - violent conduct, for example."

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Surely unless he resigns he won't play for us again

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Come on, keep up there at the back. The Don is with us until the end of the season! Hurrah.

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apart from crooks and windass going the problem this season for me is that the players seem to take it in turns to have off days. every game 2 or 3 seem to have off days then play well then another few don,t click. last season they rarely had an off day. when we get it together like at bradford we can beat anyone in this league home or away. its consistancy what,s needed not chopping and changing the side.

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I can agree about consistency is needed, but a couple to me have NEVER been consistent enough simple fact,;)

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Hughes has been successful and the card has been overturned demonstrating once again we have been sh1t on from a great height, must be related to Kettle that swine.:mad:

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Good news that the card's been overturned but unfortunately the fact that it went a long way towards us losing points can't be altered - & you can bet your bottom dollar Mr.Clark won't be facing any questions about the incident

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Raises the question about whether Referees should be subject to disciplinary action for incompetence and for denying clubs points, (and extra revenue in cup matches), and if they should therefore receive bans, get fines etc!:dummy:

Who'd be a referee eh?:oke2:

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No chance; it's more likely they'll impose a fine on us for criticizing the Ref's

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Nah that only happens to normal people in jobs.:rolleyes:

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one of em you,re thinking about has actually played better in some games this season its the ones who normally play well seem to be taking it in turns to have off days. for a start brown had a nightmare at hartlepools tuesday night and he,s one i like to see in the side plus shay seemed to be doing gray impersonations all night.

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Both, i'm thinking about play very well in odd games, and i say so at the time, but for me consistency,comprises of more good than poor, and they fail miserably on that score.imho