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Time to discuss Coleman
As you may be aware, I am a huge Coleman fan but this season in the league it has been a disaster despite the manager having good funds compared to many previous years and the club putting players previously on 2 year deals.
There is little to no excuse this season about having to re-build an entire squad, and the players who moved on did so at the start of the new season leaving time to find replacements. here are my 3 criticisms of Coleman 1. fitness we appear to have the least fit squad in the league, we always have done. quite a few of our players are nowhere near their physical peak. Sports science and diet is huge in football and can make the difference, why is there no evidence of the manager utilising the available technology and dietary understanding. 2. no plan B we have one way of playing and small variations on that same way, but no genuine plan B or C. We are predictable, it rarely if ever changes. As the pitches deteriorate at this time of year, so have our results in past seasons - we must have a plan B and a plan C and be able to adapt to the conditions 3. team selection the manager has always been and remains to loyal to players who aren't performing (doesn't mean they aren't good enough, just not performing) and to quickly to fall out with others resulting in good players not getting a look in. In colemans defence, the cup runs this season have been tremendous, he lost his best player matt crooks last season and has been let down by players getting themselves sent of needlessly although he does pick them. |
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Could always bring Beattie back? . . . . . . . . I'll get me coat :hidewall:
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Oh p**s off Dave with your pointless threads, we had worse than this, ganging up on the manager is doing nothing, we have to rally behind the team and try get them through this rough patch not form a lynch mob against coley you a**e
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The message from Johns own mouth is crisis and relegation battle. I did ask a little while ago had the management team taken the club as far as they can, Dav007 was quick of the mark in defence of John Coleman and there is nothing wrong in that. For the record I am not nor ever have been a cole hater as I don't believe in that nonsense, I do ask why these players who on paper are a lot better than their performance indicates are not doing the business. I and others have discussed the problems from a fans eye view which at times seem obvious but the Manager makes the decision who plays. Davo points out in point 3 about team selection how some players never get a look in. This was also discussed at length. The time has now come to ask out loud what the problem is behind the scenes. Last season we had two academy players available to the first team who never got to kick a ball as such, This season more academy players have come through and still not had the chance to kick a ball in anger. not to mention other players who can do a good job for us. Something drastic has to change and John needs to know how we feel. I know he is deeply gutted at this season's performances which leads to the lack of a plan B. We all realised very early into the season that teams knew how to neutralise our game plan easily. This can only be down to the managers tactics and team selection. All obvious so far. What is the answer? Simply sacking a manager is not the answer. The board nd management have to sit down and have the conversation about the lack of consistent play. we raise our game to play big teams in the cup yet lose to poorer teams than us in the league. We can't afford to think the unthinkable about relegation. Action needs to be taken very soon. Perhaps a clear out in January is not to be ruled out. A lot to contemplate.
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sorry chris, i doubt very much if any clear out would include the few that need clearing.
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1. i know we have had worse than this, but this season in the league (so far) has been a disaster. Its commonly accepted you dont judge a team until after 10 league games, well after 20 games we are 3rd bottom 2. I am not ganging up on the manager, its right that we praise and criticise when the time is right. 3. i am still fully behind the team and manager, i will rally with the best of them 4. there is no lynch mob, i am not calling for the manager to be sacked , merely discussing their performance after 20 league games 5. my a**e is only for the ladies |
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Dav007. I'm your no 1 fan but I think you've lost it.
No slightest indication the players are not fit. A stupendous defence (that has, not coincidentally been decimated by injury during this losing streak). They have actually been playing well of late - just going down 1-0 whilst having some careless ****** getting sent off plus plenty of bad luck. Our ace centre forward has sadly been injured. Coleman is working it all out, but alas he only has 90 mins every week to make the changes, and experiment til he gets it right. He's getting there. Keep the faith, for god's sake. |
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Brilliant. No need to read any further! |
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Dav !
By keep persisting with this one, you must have realised by the posted replies that once again, if you're not careful, you are likely to once again alienate those who recently have shown a surprising degree of tolerance to your ramblings. My advice, as one who really cares for your well-being is, let it drop before it's too late !. |
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Keep the faith, YES, Support the team YES. Bad Luck does not wash at all. Too many tactical errors and wrong choices. As much as we want to get behind the club and team we have to face some football realities like we are not good enough in the league. The league must take priority over any cup games as these are the bonus. Again we have to ask why these same players can take on the bigger teams and raise their game as needed. Yet in the league at home sometimes I feel we have picked 11 strangers from the stand and said go and have a game. why can the manager not inspire them to respond when at home and usually this season a goal down? The questions have been asked and need to be answered.
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I keep hearing all this innuendo about "certain" players being favorites or not good enough / have a clear out.
I've only watched the team for the last two seasons and attended most games home and away. If you're brave enough to question the Manager as a keyboard warrior name the players and say constructively who could come in and do a better job. Just remember you don't see what happens in training Monday to Friday. Be careful what you wish for ......... Coleman is a good fit for Accrington. |
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A certain player has been named many times by quite a few,which yeh would be aware of if yeh read the forum regular Twenty Eight.;)
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The thread is not intended as a witch hunt against any individual player as such, We all have our opinions about the quality of some players. But it is blindingly obvious that something is not right behind the scenes in training. Why are players brought through from the academy never given a chance at Stanley? why are players like GTF just left on the bench, Brought on as a last 10 minutes to try and nick a goal. What has happened to Chris Eagles ? I know he is supposed to off dealing with family matters but even prior to that he hardly featured, Too many players are not getting a fair chance in the first team, Is the moral low among the players? If I was a player who kept getting overlooked I would be asking why. This team has not clicked in the league games, maybe some of them think they are too god for this league. We can not keep ignoring the indefensible. I know 3 or 4 wins will push us up the table butI can't see where these wins are coming from. The team lacks a killer instinct.
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Rarely ever happens these days, it is almost the opposite. Coleman has given countless young players a chance and turned their careers around. |
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Even Connor Mahoney left at 16 or so. |
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Put the question the other way - how many of our now-released youth team products have gone on to better things? None that I can think of. If they're good enough, they play. See Bobby Grant, Peter Murphy and Connor Mahoney.
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Unfortunately Shakers right,and it will only get worse !!,
If a 1st year YTS shows real quality,then the top academy teams will start circling. It's a saying in football you want to be at a top teams academy as if/when your released,there's more branches to grab hold of as you fall down the tree !! Hence,when we release young lads they tend to end up in non-league |
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When is Ross Sykes going to get his chance? Sitting on the bench week after week, which prevents him from even getting a game with the youth team. How can this help with his development as a young 17 year old professional?
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The logic seems to be that the good ones go to a "top academy" while the less good ones go to non-league. And we gain nothing.:confused::confused: |
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This is why a lot of clubs don't have a reserve team and the top teams are under 21/23s That's why taking lads on loan at 18/19 is key,as normally when released,they are the first clubs they talk to. |
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'I watched young Nathan Webb play last season and he has shown great promise and he has never featured in a senior game yet. This lad can go a long way if he gets a chance, Young Connor Mahoney hardly got a game and was sold. He is still developing at Blackburn but will be a great player. Why can't we do this at Stanley? There is so much that I feel the management could do better.'
I think he played against Crewe in the Check-a Trade. Small guy with big hair. If he's the one he looked out of his depth and barely touched the ball. Not to say he won't develop but looked a long way off first-team material. |
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I sort of understand what your saying RR,
Normally,teams with a youngster, who shows potential is given a "taster",then sent out on loan for game time/experience. Some impress,most dont. I still maintain,a lot is in between a players ears,especially when your getting paid peanuts and your mates are getting more money,you soon become disillusioned. Our last good youngster,Connor,played a few games,but the team weren't getting many points,and in league two,its all about points,not development ---unfortunately :( |
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F19, Spot on as usual!
Would it be the best to chuck a youth player in when confidence is low? Are they any better than what we have now? I've only seen Webb a handful of times and doesn't look ready for first team just yet! Impressed with Sykes from what I've seen of him, Also Liam Goulding seems to be getting rave reviews down at Wealdstone!...Doesn't mean they're ready for League 2 football just yet though! I've said it for a few weeks, We just look shot of confidence and just we need to belief back that we showed at the start of the season and in the cup games against Bradford, Burnley and West Ham! |
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Would it not be sensible to vary our tactics? cos we certainly dont seem to be doing.
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A thought but why not play Connelly and Pearson at full back, Brown and Lacey in midfield, McConville rightwing, Clark on the left with Gornell up front and O'sullivan in the hole- hopefully causing mayhem. McConville can tuck in when needed so we're not light in midfield and O Sullivan should naturally drift to the right to compensate. |
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Thats what i fail to make sense of Inspector morse, if summat aint working at a particular time, then anyone sensible surely has a plan B?:confused:
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Depends on what position the young lad plays.
Goalkeeper/defender-no chance !! Baldy,went watching Liam Goulding a few times last season (played for Sean Hessey-Marine),and i was sure he would get a chance this season when the departures occured. My lad rated him as well,nothing flash,just a good defender |
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If you don't mind me saying, I think you are being a bit negative in this thread, f19.;) As I said before, it's not worth us having an academy and youth team if it's as depressing as you say!! ;) Insufficient money from community funding, better youngsters poached by top academies, less good youngsters off to non-league, insufficient financial reward at Accy. Where do we go from here?? |
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I do sound negative!!!,just trying to Keep it real.
Think we should concentrate on getting rough diamonds and polishing them rather than making them or buying them !! One of Coleys strengths is to pick a player, Beckles is the latest. Let the academy system pay for their education and we just take over when their 18/19 :) |
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I certainly wouldnt pick a youthy if the squad is full, but it annoys me when we already have a guy sat there patiently waiting for his chance ... and the we loan someone in instead. Fair enough Coley mightnt think him ready, but often we rent in untested players from elsewhere. Zak Vyner has done alright but he didnt uproot any trees in his first couple of games, maybe Sykes and Goulding would have benefitted a short run of games as well?
We got GTF and Eagles in at a time when attacking options were depleted, but had Webb and Hazeldine chomping at the bit for a shot. McCarten and Gornell were short term injured so giving either of them a half chance would have been ideal. No offence to either Eagles nor GTF but neither have anything to offer us so we shouldnt be paying them. |
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ladies and gents,
once again, let me make this clear for those who struggle to read and understand the English language At no point have I suggested sacking Coleman nor do I support such a position, but just as I have been his number 1 fan for years (remember who was calling for Colemans return before we had Richardson, Beattie and for his comeback not to mention all the coleman flags I have made and the support i always give him when i see him at the match), its right that we not only praise but also criticise when the time is required. sacking coleman would be madness but we as fans must also be critical, especially when we are in such a bad place in terms of the league. again, just in case you didnt read my posts, we have done excellent in the cups again, we have some good players again, no one gets behind the club and manager as much as I have or do but we must discuss all the pros and cons of are current situation. and also, there is nothing i have stated that i wouldn't talk to coley about if i bumped into him at the game the guy is a stanley legend and a top manager at this level with lots more to give, I am sure he would have no problem discussing and disagreeing with any of my comments |
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Why? because as fans we are stakeholders in the club and have a right to vent frustration when we feel it neccessary. Fans and their views are more important than any owner good bad or indifferent regardless as to who actually wields executive power.
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[QUOTE= I personally believe they will pull it around and pray that they will. Yes they are Legends in the Stanley family and long may they reign.[/QUOTE]
to those coley haters on here be careful what you wish for. |
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When Mr Coleman & Mr Bell asks you to attend a meeting in his office how many of you will turn up to discuss the current situation,
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One of the great things about Stanley fans as a collective is that we dont get at the playing staff all too often. Managers are allowed to manage and players allowed to play. You go to other grounds and they are after blood within a few games - we dont. We understand our restrictions and we allow mistakes.
However, even a legend cant be allowed to rest on his laurels. Nobody on here would honestly think that Coley plays a player for any reason other than he believes the player to be his best option. But someone posted earlier that one of Coley's best qualities is his weakness - loyalty. Whilst I dont believe McConville to be the anti-christ that others do, and whilst I do think that Coley believes him to be performing the duties required of him, I also believe that a replacement would bring more to the team than the loss of him. Last year we had nothing more than a decent team with 4 good players in Windass, Crooks, Mingoia and Kee. Coley pulled masterstrokes in January by bringing in 2 veterans who we werent sure about (Boco and Hughes) and an unknown in Fosu. All 3 made important contributions and bolstered the squad at an important time. We improved. There's nothing to suggest he cant do it again, and he will certainly know what needs improving. Andy Holt has twittered his public backing of the duo and suggested funds will be available. Job done. On a further note, bug if but if we went down I wouldnt want anyone other than Coley in the Conference trenches. On another even further note please play Boco, Clark and Ronnie as an attacking 3 behind Kee or GTF. All 3 with the freedom of the borough to move and roam and drag the back 4 wherever they want. Attack attack attack |
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'to those coley haters on here be careful what you wish for.'
Not sure what I'm missing but is anyone saying Coley should go? |
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Atleast were better off than we were under Beattie
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....Whilst I dont believe McConville to be the anti-christ that others do, and whilst I do think that Coley believes him to be performing the duties required of him, I also believe that a replacement would bring more to the team than the loss of him. ... Last year we had nothing more than a decent team with 4 good players in Windass, Crooks, Mingoia and Kee. Coley pulled masterstrokes in January by bringing in 2 veterans who we werent sure about (Boco and Hughes) and an unknown in Fosu. All 3 made important contributions and bolstered the squad at an important time. We improved. ....On a further note, but if we went down I wouldnt want anyone other than Coley in the Conference trenches. .....On another even further note please play Boco, Clark and Ronnie as an attacking 3 behind Kee or GTF. All 3 with the freedom of the borough to move and roam and drag the back 4 wherever they want. Attack attack attack[/QUOTE] Agree with and like all these points: 1. Left sided attacking players are like "gold-dust" in any league and I believe he's improved a great deal this season. Not good as a left back, but plays where he's asked. 2. Our team last year, was one of the best I can remember. Full of goals (in most games! let's not go there!), Your right on the FAB four.... 3. Agree with this 100%. 4. Yes I'd like to see this set up maybe against Luton? But doubt it will happen.... with two in midfield and four at the back. You can easily add the names..........no one playing out of place mind-you, so we'd have our left sided winger on the bench for back-up. |
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Dav007 - reckon you've summed it up right. Talk like you would to Coleman's face and you can't go far wrong. (I'd love to be there when you ask him why we've got the most unfit team in the league though.)
If I was talking to him I would acknowledge that my knowledge of football is but a smidgeon of what his is but would humbly like to know why Boco doesn't start very often when he looks like a really good player to me. Whatever his answer was I'd accept it. At the same time I'd ask how in god's name did he get a player like Beckles to sign for us. What's it like competing whilst being the smallest club in the league etc,and could he please sign my new bobble hat? |
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Agreed Lord Didsbury
There is no one on this forum or within the Stanley fan base who is a bigger Coleman fan than me, if anyone cares for a duel of Coley love then I accept your challenge |
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What have you bought him for Xmas? I'm thinking of £200 gift vouchers as a small token of my appreciation.
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"here are my 3 criticisms of Coleman
1. fitness we appear to have the least fit squad in the league, we always have done. quite a few of our players are nowhere near their physical peak. Sports science and diet is huge in football and can make the difference, why is there no evidence of the manager utilising the available technology and dietary understanding. 2. no plan B we have one way of playing and small variations on that same way, but no genuine plan B or C. We are predictable, it rarely if ever changes. As the pitches deteriorate at this time of year, so have our results in past seasons - we must have a plan B and a plan C and be able to adapt to the conditions 3. team selection the manager has always been and remains to loyal to players who aren't performing (doesn't mean they aren't good enough, just not performing) and to quickly to fall out with others resulting in good players not getting a look in." And you're his number one fan ? Gonna keep away when the posters aren't fans then. |
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dont question my credentials. If anything, this thread I have started has demonstrated the support, belief and good will that Coleman will turn it around is stronger than ever. |
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Why would you suggest a fellow fan is taking drugs?
Please get behind the club. |
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��������since when does saying that mean I'm not behind the club you really are on something
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why would any real fan within the stanley family make such hurtful comments to suggest a fellow fan was smoking drugs? please, lets stay united and get behind the club |
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Are you questioning my credentials or is it a case that if everyone doesn't bow down to you then you throw your doll out of the pram ?
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there is no bigger Coleman fan than i |
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We are....... where we are...... for one reason alone......we ain't hitting the net....:(
I'd go along with other suggestions.... as in why we don't seem to have a plan "B" ( "C" or even "D" ) and the management seems to have some sort of mental block as into leaving substitutions until they have little or no time to impact.....:confused: If....(and it is an "IF" ) we get past Luton in the cup in early January.....I'd sincerely hope that Mr. Holt grants Coleman licence to spend some real money on a couple of players..... We made some good money on the League Cup run......getting past Luton would make us at least another £75k without even thinking who we hypothetically draw in the 4th round !!!:o If certain players ( a.l.a. Eagles & G.T.F. ) are surplus to requirements....contractual arrangements permitting .......they need to be released.:( That would free up some of the wages.... We also need to utilise the loan market by bringing in some players who will help achieve the objective.......MID TABLE !!!:o Forget surging for the play-offs.....this season is now about surviving. The league table don't lie. We are where we are for a reason.:( |
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This is simply not true - please stop this mud slinging I did not claim to be a huge James Beattie fan I gave him 10 games before I made a judgement Carpon is right, we are now in a relegation battle |
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Haha - only you could accuse others of mud slinging.
Read the start of this thread. Don't care how you try and twist this your intention was to put the boot into Coley. I also don't care what your credentials are and what you perceive them to be. Have the last word - you always do - but then suggest this thread is closed down and everyone moves on. |
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It is hard being the smallest club with emergency loans being scrapped. It was likely to be a struggle, like most seasons staying up is success.
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Sod the big screen let's put the money towards bringing in a decent striker to keep us in the football league rather than watching non league on a shiny new tele
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If I was a striker I'd love to come to Stanley just to see my wonder goals repeated on the big screen.
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Complete lies Please show me one example of "putting the boot in" To be ignorant of my credentials is to be ignorant of reality Please stop trying to silence people you don't agree with by closing down threads, it's helping no one |
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To Dav and Twenty Eight !...Again you are proving that now and then our Forum throws up a couple of crashing bores with little or nothing to say !. |
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Coleman is doing a good job.
No evidence this side is unfit. No evidence Coleman favours certain players. We need a centre forward. We also need a fox in the box. Achieve those signings in January and mid table or above will be achieved. There you go in response to nothing to say. So what you got to say Yonmon ? |
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No evidence Coleman favours certain players, playing a guy that cant tackle to save his life as a stopper? are you him or what?
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No mate.
I'm older, have a full head of hair albeit grey, weigh 4 stone less, and can't manage for toffee. I assume you're referring to McConville the marmite of League 2. Jut say it. |
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So that is what I have to say, which I hope you can view with a temperate and level headed demeanour. Keep up the good work, My felicitations for the festive season !. ON STANLEY....ON TO GREATER THINGS !. |
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