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Any team news?

Are the 2 new lads playing?

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Are you coming to this one Dav?.......Coley said
they are available.....Would expect a place on the bench for both....??

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Normally 45 mins before kick off!

My team...
Chapman

Donecian
Beckles
Hughes
Pearson

Brown
Seamus

Jonno
Rommy
Shay

Billy

Debated starting the new bloke Edwards just behind Billy but presuming he's not trained with us yet...

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No concerns about dusting of frost on small areas of the @ASFCofficial pitch. Ref is happy, kick off v @Official_HUFC is 3pm @BBCLancsSport

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Announcement in ground is usually 30 minutes before kick-off.

Has Johno recovered from his injury on Saturday?

I am uneasy about a 1-up-front formation at home. I thought McCartan was wasteful at Crewe - I would much prefer to see Jordan Clark in there.

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Thats the side but McConvile instead of Rommy

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Yeah, still option to go 4-4-2 if it's not working out though........I think there is too much competition in the wastefully department. I prefer Jordan to Shay as he is more industrious but, they both struggle scoring goals.

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Yet another MASSIVE MATCH for The STANLEY.
.......They are ALL BIG MATCHES these days it seems!
That "TWELFTH MAN" on the terraces is really needed today!:wave8::drink:

COME ON THE REDS
ON STANLEY ON.:theband::mosher:

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2-1 kee, Pearson

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2-2 ����������

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Why does it feel like someones knocked into me and made me spill half my beer?

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Ggrrrr .. would like to see the decision against Hughes for the second goal. Was he pushed?
I like Hughes but he does seem to be at fault for a lot of crucial goals. Can't work out whether he is unlucky or a liability?

Anyway, team played half decent. Created more chances and skirmishes I thought.

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Played 2 up front today and fer me it made a BIG difference, much better, we should have won the game defo. but 2 goals in the first time fer along while,will do fer starters. onwards @ Upwards Reds K.T.F.:)

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A poor draw. We were good for the three points just. sadly Goalkeeping on our side was abysmal at times. again poor communication was evident. Dan Jewel said it all in his commentary that the less said about the first half the better. The second half did see some improvement. Sadly the whole game was badly Officiated to the point of ruination. The loanee who came on in the second half was very lively. The class difference was noticeable immediately. The big question is now, Can the managers get the best out of the players we have here, I somehow have my doubts, We can't seem to get away from the one up front nonsense we keep playing. Hartlepool were the better team for decent periods of the game but they couldn't finish any better either, We can and should be beating teams like Hartlepool or we are just going to be less than also rans. Chorley played Fylde a few days ago and the crowd was around 4000 today we managed 1500. We are not doing something right. Even at our best last season we did not break 5000 at our best. Overall it was better than a loss but there is so much to put right. I am afraid Coley has his work cut out. If we perform like this against Luton in the cup we will struggle terribly. But that is two games without loss so that just might be the saviour at the end of the season.

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Blimey Chris - funny how people see matches differently. Reckon I disagree with pretty much everything you've written. E.g., Ref was reasonable in my opinion.

Would like to see Chapman come off his line more - if that's your complaint about keeping?

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I don't know what angle you saw the game from but the ref and liner on our patch were terrible. The decisions they gave against us in the first half were just downright bad. McConnville booking was shocking, He got the whole of the ball and then both players came together, No one claimed a foul, The linesman changed his mind. I am afraid Chapman is not the keeper he was and was responsible for not commanding his area much better for a keeper his size. He should have cleared the lines for the second goal. He could have easily put the ball out of play. The problem is we should never have been under so much pressure at that point in the match. we just backed off everything. On the Bright side the Don did have a decent game.

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Have to disagree also with chris, the ref did try to keep the game flowing, made a couple of bad ricks though, Pools 2nd goal the ball should NEVER have been crossed but super sean declined to put the tackle in.:rolleyes: the fact he didn't dont detract from poor defending.

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Don't know whether to laugh or cry?
Laugh, because we scored two goals and cry because we conspired to throw away our lead twice and two precious points.
Their first equaliser was a pinpoint cross onto the head of their forward, no more than one yard from our goal line, while Chapman stood frozen to the spot.
He could and should have either gathered or punched the ball before it landed but his indecision cost us a goal.
Their second was another shambles by the defence, with Chapman again floundering on the deck.
Hartlepool were only average but respect to them for coming back twice to earn a draw.
This season has proved there are no poor teams in league two and we are no better than any of them.
The only good thing you can say about today is that we didn't lose. :o

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The keeper parried for the second goal instead of holding or pushing over the bar. The ref allowed some awful fouls, He booked our players for nothing more than a decent tackle. yet it took two rough fouls on Jonno before he gave a yellow. he blew up inappropriately for fouls. He was in two minds whether to give the blatant penalty against Matty Pearson, He looked to the liner and who looked away and then awarded the penalty. The linesman on our side missed more offsides than were debatable. The officials were poor I am not the only one in the main stand who saw that. I don't usually berate Officials but we do seem to get more than our fair share of poor ones, maybe we are a secret training ground for them. But you are right the position we allowed ourselves to be put in is the problem.

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Just goes to show how bad a player McConville is. He was to blame for a goal conceded in the 88th minute when he'd been subbed on 70mins.

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Once again THAT thought crossed my mind as I left the Crown at 5.00 pm....not one which I particularly enjoyed at the time and one that has niggles at me since !.
This being that watching the teams efforts for 90 + minutes, they are on today's showing, as a unit, just not good enough to rank as a League team !.
Now I know that this evaluation will receive a broadside or two from those whose opinions I respect, and perhaps as a simple statement which contains no analysis whatsoever, it might deserve them !....AND I do hope that this feeling is totally unfounded, but there it is !.

My wish is that at the end of next Saturday's Cup clash, I will have to reappraise my opinion,
I hope so !...and I am keeping the faith...just !.

QUO VADIS STANLEY ?.

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First half fairly even although we looked more likely to score than of late, second we got joy down the right-hand side (O'Sullivan and Pearson) and looked dangerous. After our first goal they penned us in for a few minutes got their goal. Felt keeper could of claimed the looping cross for goal. It felt it should have been stopped somehow! The second equaliser felt like luck was against us with the free kick given on Hughes. From Clayton end can see why Sean was booked as he appeared to jump into the tackle. We benefitted from people getting up to use kee's knock downs.

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Hughes was pushed, but the ref chose to only see that as a result of said push our lad touched the ball with his hand hence the free kick that should never have been given resulted in their equaliser - not that it should've been a surprise, the ref had a nightmare game, don't think he was biased just inept!

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[QUOTE=yonmon;1184296]Once again THAT thought crossed my mind as I left the Crown at 5.00 pm....not one which I particularly enjoyed at the time and one that has niggles at me since !.
This being that watching the teams efforts for 90 + minutes, they are on today's showing, as a unit, just not good enough to rank as a League team !.
Now I know that this evaluation will receive a broadside or two from those whose opinions I respect, and perhaps as a simple statement which contains no analysis whatsoever, it might deserve them !....AND I do hope that this feeling is totally unfounded, but there it is !.

My wish is that at the end of next Saturday's Cup clash, I will have to reappraise my opinion,
I hope so !...and I am keeping the faith...just !.

QUO VADIS STANLEY ?.[/QUOT

I have to agree with you today we were 2 poor sides and we go in front twice and then totally lose all our shape and just can,t defend Coleman has a big job on if he is to bring any quality in during the window because we just have,nt replaced the quality that left in the summer, just hope their are 2 sides poorer than us and we manage to stay up because it,s going to be a long struggle you have got to win your home games but we just don,t look like can but 2017 is a New year let,s hope we see some improvement.

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😂

This forum in a nutshell.

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I was wrong was referring to the first goal, but still everyone can't be as clever as you.:rolleyes:

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Very cruel Shaker......but...Explains why you don't post on here very often anymore. As for the game......... Stanley continue to be good until the final third......As to league 2 this year, it's the poorest standard I can remember in recent years. Carlisle probably best of a bad bunch. The best footballing side are Portsmouth who continue to under perform against the poor sides they play each week. I think there are at least 2 poorer sides than Stanley this year, but our inability to convert chances is my biggest worry and surely our bad luck can't go on forever?

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Went to the game today, after an absence due to work commitments and took my very knowledgeable footballing son, well he's far brighter than his Dad! We both thought Stanley played well although the goal keeper does worry me due to his indecision, were far better than Hartlepool and deserved to win. Thought the ref made a mistake which cost the Hartlepool equaliser. Overall I think we will be ok

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Speaking of keepers anyone know where parish has disappeared too?

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I fully agree on both counts AccyMad.
I said to my daughter and son in law after twenty minutes that I thought the ref was poor and he certainly went on to prove so!:pph34r::dummy2: Hughes was clearly pushed sideways and the ball struck his arm. There was no intent whatsoever from Hughes to handle the ball because it was just dropping to his feet for him to belt it into Row Z. All afternoon the Pools players got away with a lot of pushing and leaning.....they weren't a dirty side but were well coached in the use of 'spoiling tactics' that the referee did not seem to see!
Their first goal was a late Christmas Present.......enough said!
However, having been in front twice, we should have been able to close the game down and come away with all three points.
The new lad looked lively in the closing minutes!

KEEP THE FAITH:theband:

ON STANLEY ON:wave8::mosher:

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Bad luck , is for sure an indefinable and elusive element ,, but whatever it is it can in no way be connected with, or used as an excuse for the under-performance of a Football team !.
How it can possibly be linked to abysmal defending and the lack of the most basic skills needed to control, pass and strike a ball so apparent in our team of the moment is surely a futile exercise !.
Attention to these elements and not whether good fortune is smiling on our Club or not would
surely be of more value to their future efforts ?.
It grieves me to see that my opinions seem to mirror those of a Jeremiah...and I hope that I never come across as a prophet of doom ....

KTF....I'm trying to!.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but we've been the better team in (almost) all the last 10-12 games we've played, as our form has steadily improved? Had an awful problem creating and scoring goals which also appears to be getting a little better. Been on the wrong end of lucky breaks.
We've got a couple of loan players in, and no-one is out injured. Got a great chance of being in the cup 4th round too.

I'm still very optimistic about the rest of the season.

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Lord D !,......Are you able to define further the lucky breaks you mention ?..today the Reds lost two points because of poor application when it was most needed, and on many occasions a demonstration of an alarming ineptitude where basic Soccer skills were concerned !.
Those elements which you describe as lucky breaks, I would argue, don't really exist where the game we have both come to love is concerned !.
As for the contest with Luton Town, I wish that I could share your confidence !.
But I KTF...although being extremely concerned about the lack of quality existing in our current squad .

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We all know we've had a problem scoring, but we've also got one keeping them out.
Some of the 'unlucky' odd goal defeats we've suffered have been due to errors that a keeper the likes of Marcus Bettinelli would have had no trouble stopping.
Parish is capable of making some superb saves but then commits the odd blunder. Despite his size & presence, Chapman flatters to deceive. He's seems massively insecure & needs an experienced goalkeeping coach to build up his confidence.
Do we still have one?

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:) yes we Doo :)

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The silence is deafening, if Sean had missed the SITTER Mcarten missed early on the lynch mob's would have been all over these pages.

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you,re right there. best chance of the game never mind the first half. bright spot was the new lad looked lively when he came on but again another goal conceded from a free kick. overall a fair result for me against my hometown lads. wanted a draw with some goals in it before the game and i got it. same ref who we had at bradford in the cup where he was excellent but some major decisions went against us. thought sean had a decent game and was surprised when he went off. when he,s having a nightmare he usually plays the full 90. as for the goalkeeping situation chapman looked like he did against doncaster but the problem is parrish is no better. can,t see us getting another as they,re both on contract unless we can ship one out to bring a new one in.

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Go catch a ferret, S.M. is consistently poor FACT.

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Do not know if you heard the post match from Coley on Radio Lancs. but Coley mentioned this chance, Coley said that Shay did not think it was a chance...??

:) :) :)

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Watched Darren Randolph on t'Beeb last night and remembered the commitment which he, and that excellent lad Rob Elliott gave to the team when supreme efforts were really needed !.
....and sighed for a return to those halcyon days !.
This position is a difficult one to fill though, even the very best make errors which really cost their team dearly...as Herr Klopp has discovered with his two keepers this season !.
But having two who perform well only on occasion and who do little to give confidence and inspiration to the defenders around them for most of the time surely makes for consistent failure ?.
As for our diminutive Irish striker who seldom strikes, it is the considered opinion in our coven that he has made little in the way of development since leaving Turf Moor, and has, after being given every chance to do otherwise, has become little more than mediocre !.
The other Mac, who shall not be vilified at any cost on our forum, or so it seems, was in spite of what others say, at the best inept in ball control, passing, crossing, finishing, and actually turned his back on two tackles !. His contribution was negligible !.
( and AccyMad, Monkey hanger, etc al will be after my blood no doubt ! )
Incidentally, it was not one of my New Year resolutions to morph into a grumpy old whinger
about the team I love. But the lack of quality on show, and worst of all the bewildered and sad look on our players faces as they left the pitch yesterday is causing me some concern .

As I said.....QUO VADIS STANLEY ?.

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balderdash !.

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he must be the only one who didn,t. miss of the game.

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What is fact to some is opinion to others - that's football :rolleyes::)

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Did he not say that with regards to the miss, Shay did not think?? :rolleyes:

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Bullshine he should have walloped the ball,instead he tried to place it, WRONG Decision.:(Also if yeh cant hold yer hand up when yeh drop one that suggests to me bad attitude?

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So do you honestly think he plays more good than bad?

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Spot on :)

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If thats the case should be only 1 outcome as far as i'm concerned.;)

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I just don't think he's anywhere near as bad as he's painted by some folk & doesn't deserve the constant criticism no matter what & I don't think those who voice the opinion that he's only in the team because of bias shown by the management team realise that they're just as biased in the other direction, basically he's damned if he does & damned if he doesn't, just my opinion of course

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Go catch a Ferret. Such a churlish remark I would expect from a 5 year old, but I will not get into a childish argument, get dragged down to your level, you know the rest.

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McConville seems pretty good to me.

Yonmon - ok, it can be said you make your own luck in sport. Maybe it's usually true, but my impression has been that every bloody free kick outside the box has been scored against us, been on the wrong end of sendings off, have lost countless games 1-0 against teams that have only had one attack.
I know that you can argue that's because we are defending badly, but I just don't see that we are. We could replay those games, play as we did and get a lot more points.
But yes, I accept it's just an opinion backed up by zero evidence!

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Never heard Cashy described as 'churlish' before !. This adjective which you so unkindly cast in his direction is often construed as 'one being mean-spirited and surly !'. Now if you really knew Cashman you would know him to be an extremely generous and cheerful gentleman and never the Churl that your ill- mannered outburst suggests !
Of course one could paste many criticising labels upon him, and believe me many on this forum have done just that !, but one who thoughtlessly makes churlish remarks...never !.
It also pleases me to see that you are one who is au fait with remarks passed by five-year-olds, does not get into childish arguments and does not get dragged down easily to the level of a person you are so obviously not acquainted with !.
Your final barb...'you know the rest', is really intriguing. I only wish that I knew the rest so that I could prepare my future behaviour for the task of achieving a settled and ordered life ,.
If then you happen to know 'the rest', then perhaps you might oblige us with a short dissertation on the matter !.
Like the tom-cat who ate Gorgonzola Cheese and then blew into a Mousehole...I await with
'bated breath !

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I say you chaps!
We've been whinging all season about the lack of stature in our attack.
About how we need a big strong striker to bully the opposition.
Well, perhaps the answer has been staring us in the face all along.
This is my cunning plan!
Put the man mountain that is Aaron Chapman up front. At six foot eight, defenders would just bounce off him. Think of the corners he would head in without jumping. I think professor Coleman should give him the no.9 shirt in the next practise match & see what happens.
Who knows, he could become our very own Akinfenwa!
:D:D:D:D:D

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Please yerself i really could not give a stuff.:rolleyes:

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See Ferret-man ! ...or perhaps you are of the opposite gender who can tell ?..

Not a churl to be seen !.

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Venturing into 2017 with a pleasing bit of levity !... I love it !

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A case in point highlighted my thoughts about luck having any effect whatsoever during a soccer match . A fan sitting by me bemoaned the fact that Mark Hughes was so unlucky to concede the free kick which resulted in a Hartlepool goal .
But in reality Mark slipped, the ball being in close proximity to his hand struck the same, Graham Salisbury, a poor excuse for a Referee and a poser to boot, saw this and decided it was a free kick, and the rest we know.
Now this, as with every element occurring during every match was merely a chain of unfortunate events and whatever 'luck' happens to be had nothing to do with it whatsoever !.

Can I suggest that all the happenings which you describe are events of a similar nature ?..and that which we call luck be it good, bad, or indifferent is merely what we feel when an outcome
to an action or event doesn't turn out the way we expect or want it to ?.

Good luck for 2017 ! ( What am I saying ! ).

KTF.

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As I sit here in the depressingly hot Tenerife weather,I recall my and Redraines many discussions about the game,and I would have being on moaning about clean sheets!!!
Sense of perspective has ensured and I am off to the bar to reminisce our many
Discussions,great memories!!

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I am so tempted to say "get lost " or words to that effect !...But I'll wish you the happiest of New Year's instead !....Give 'er indoors my very good wishes!....Have fun!...Keep swinging !..
Hurry back !

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Chapman should have come for the first goal but lets get things into perspective the leaping like a salmon full back called Pearson never left the ground. Bad defending all round.
McConville's yellow card was exactly the right decision.
Average performance by all at best.
Strange isn't it ? 4 points from 6 in two poor performances.
As said earlier maybe that summarises League 2 this year.
I expect Donny to walk it.
Liked the cameo from the new lad though looks like hes a bit of devil about him - but why oh why didn't he put the chance away from Clark's great cross ?

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Yonmon, Hughes did not 'slip' as you describe. He was pushed from the side and as he wobbled sideways his arm contacted the ball........
I agree that it was not 'Bad Luck'....
It was BAD REFEREEING!
It should clearly have been a free kick to Stanley!
As you say the Ref was very poor.

Whilst out cycling today I was pondering on the 'bad refereeing' on display almost every time I watch Stanley and when I watch highlights on TV of matches from the Premier League down to the lower divisions.
Now, while I am prepared to be critical of referees when it is justified, I do wonder how much more difficult their job has been made in recent years by two elements of the game;

1) The almost annual strange directives given to them from above to focus on one 'new' element of play at the start of a new season! A few seasons ago it was 'The tackle from behind'. Then it was the messing up of the 'Offside Rule'. This last couple of seasons it has been 'Studs showing' in a tackle! Hopefully, next year I'd really like to see that they stop players from 'shirt pulling' and 'opponent hugging' and that they apply the 'obstruction rule' properly.

2) The other element which makes problems for the referees is player behaviour. Two items so obvious here to me are;
a) Players constantly berating the referees with false claims for free kicks, hand ball, corners etc.
b) The other is my utter dislike for players who act as if they have been brought down by 'machine gun fire' and then try to get fellow professionals booked or sent off. (See Phil Jones last night for Man Utd v West Ham! What an actor!)

The big question is....Who would be a referee?

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Yesterday Mike Dean was considerably worse than Graham Salisbury was at the Crown !..
His, and his Assistant's decisions cost West Ham at least 2 points,. Seems then that Refs who make errors in judgement are scattered throughout the game, worse than this are the 'posers' who seem to think that they, and not the players on view, are the big attraction ,

Would you be a Referee ?....perhaps one or more of the Refs who post on the forum will provide us with the answer ?.

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I have always been of the opinion "Anyone can make a mistake" but was Deans? he was looking straight at the incident, with a clear view, from approx 6/8 foot away, how that could be a genuine error is beyond me. stuff like that cost clubs fortunes and managers jobs, totally unacceptable in my view.

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Refs and Linespersons these days are a million times better than, say, the 70s/80s/90s.

My former team (Super Leeds) were not just on the end of crucial, bad decisions, they were often blatantly cheated out of winning trophies. So badly that two of them were banned from reffing again.

Refs may be inconsistent with the way they administer punishment but they seem very good with getting decisions right in the first place. They seem a lot less whistlehappy than they used to be. They are better at spotting diving.

Lines people particularly are excellent these days - having also to deal with more complex laws.

All this and the game is a hell of a lot faster.

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The linesman on the cowshed, flagged for an obvious corner yesterday, the ref pointed for a goalkick, so he then flagged a goalkick and you say better LordD? not from where any of us were standing, he hadn't the guts to stick to his guns, cos the ref is sacrosanct these days:rolleyes:

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Tut, tut! You'll have our religious affairs expert/fans rep on your case with remarks like that!

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Not sure which refs & liners you're watching these days to come to that conclusion?
As for bring blatantly cheated out of things, I only need to refer you back to Mr. Kettle's behaviour last season & yes, he was 'asked to retire' from being an official after the Wimbledon debacle but somehow he's clawed his way back in & is still plying his trade

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Life would be a whole lot better and easier for the officials if they abolished offside - a stupid pointless rule which puts large chunks of the pitch out of bounds, so compresses the players into a smaller area than necessary, takes up far too much of the officials' attention, and can apparently be interpreted in as many ways as there are officials and pundits. Hockey did away with it years ago and it improved the game enormously.

Rant over .....

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Agree 100% summat ive always advocated.

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Would you be a Referee ?....perhaps one or more of the Refs who post on the forum will provide us with the answer ?.[/QUOTE]

i still am but would i start doing it again now the answer is no. players always only know laws of the game when it suits them but now its so confusing for them and officials. you get things like so and so sent someone off last week for that or the opposite being said. there,s a big difference between how older refs carry on to the new up and coming ones. still enjoy it though as if you,ve had a good game its very satisfacting and has given me chance to perform at villa park. the old filbert street, sixfields, carrow road and others where i would never got to as a player.

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Agree completely with both..., will never happen, but would be a massive step if it did :)

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i still am but would i start doing it again now the answer is no. players always only know laws of the game when it suits them but now its so confusing for them and officials. you get things like so and so sent someone off last week for that or the opposite being said. there,s a big difference between how older refs carry on to the new up and coming ones. still enjoy it though as if you,ve had a good game its very satisfacting and has given me chance to perform at villa park. the old filbert street, sixfields, carrow road and others where i would never got to as a player.[/QUOTE]

I like the 'chance to perform' MH , did you actually feel that you were giving a performance at the time ?..this is not one of my critical posts incidentally !...the reason I ask is that I seem to see both on TV ( Mike Dean at Old Trafford !) , and on Tuesday at the Crown where Graham Salisbury's strutting around and posturing disturbed me a lot, 'performances' which are not always aimed at controlling a game but rather seeking to elevate their own importance to it !.

I only attempted to Referee one game a long, long time ago now !, where no Officials had turned up although both teams had and we're champing at the bit, so it was suggested that as a neutral onlooker , who someone quite mistakenly thought new something about the laws of Football, I should ' officiate' !.
Now my ego being what it was in those days, persuaded me to take up the cudgel, thinking that there would be nowt to it !.
All I can remember really is that after following 11 young lads around the field for ten minutes waving my handkerchief to enforce a decision ( I didn't own a whistle you see !)..and becoming increasingly bored with the whole thing. When this strapping youth took umbrage as I suggested that a tackle which he made almost decapitated his opponent,and disagreed with my decision to award a penalty , his words were ( F... off you blind B...ard! )....I handed in my handkerchief and effed off towards Rishton as quickly as my little legs could carry me !...

So who would be a Referee ?..

I value your comments and admire anyone brave enough to take control of a Soccer match...as long as they don't overdo the Dramatics !.

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I like the 'chance to perform' MH , did you actually feel that you were giving a performance at the time ?..



I value your comments and admire anyone brave enough to take control of a Soccer match...as long as they don't overdo the Dramatics !.[/QUOTE]

performance i mean was more to do with how i performed as a ref. or lino. i hate the word assistant, and not as someone who treats the field of play as their stage. i always tell any new starter to refereeing that you,re there for the game and not the otherway round. you could play a game of football without a referee but not referee without players involved. that may sound like common sense but there,s a lot of my colleagues past and present who do hold themselves in very high asteem, overdo the dramatics and wish they could look in a mirror for 90 mins. a little bit of common sense and humility are needed by all in the game.

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Good post but I wouldn't wish that on him! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Mike A
Good post but I wouldn't wish that on him!

Oh I don't know Mike? According to Transfermarket;
Chapman - value 21k
Akinfenwa- value 149k
My original post was tongue-in-cheek. However, football has a long history of players who have started their careers in one position and found success in another.
If I changed my quote to - 'Who knows, he could become our very own Lukaku' - would it sound a more tempting prospect.

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Anecdotes about refs don't help. Research does, and research shows that referees have improved so much since the war that "home advantage" due to poor refs now doesn't exist.
Fitter, more correct with decisions etc.

You'll get former players slagging off the standard of refs but that's just selective memory I'm afraid. I think if people really remember how awful refs were in decades past they wouldn't slag off modern refs.

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Research really helps, it said we would Remain in the E.U. also Clinton would win.:rolleyes:Also opinion polls said the same.

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Oh, I do my research - every flippin Stanley game I do my research & you're right there is no 'home advantage' cos of poor refs - not because the refs are better but because the ones we have at home are usually much worse than the ones we have officiating at away games :rolleyes:

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Ah, a fan of Michael "we've had enough of experts" Gove?

the polls were only 2-3% out in both cases. I reckon that was still better than talking to mates down the pub or whatever less scientific options there are.

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Have to disagree, most research is utter rubbish, Canada have just done some "Proper" Research into Dementia 6 million people oer 10 years, that what i call research.

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just like trevor kettle last season and richard clarke at hartleppol this. i can remember way back into the 50,s as well. they might be physically fitter but very few seem to have a feel for the game or players. told what to do and not to do too much and would be better off left alone to do there own thing. none seem to get kicked off the football league list as they did in the bad old days when at the end of the season a number were always removed if their performances were not up to the standard required.

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I think you might agree with this pearl of wisdom ?..

'" Research is what men do when they don't know what they are doing ! "..

and someone, can't remember who !..remarked :-

" When we research a subject we don't just discover facts about it, we also discover hidden truths about ourselves ! "..

What better place to confirm the latter statement than our Forum ?.

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Just read the bottom line of all Cashy post's

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Yonmon is well aware of my bottom line,yer telling him nowt there.:rolleyes:

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Surely by now you must have realised that many of my posts are sur le ton d ironie ?.

The one you refer to was such a one and not intended to be read or taken in a serious vein !.

One of my New Year Resolutions is to try to lighten up a bit, noticing that I border on the morose on occasions !....If you like you can share in this sentiment, it can't do any harm really .

KTF.

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Not really bothered about Gove or any other politicians way of thinking but the best research ever done is definitely in the pub with your mates after a game - can't beat it :D

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Excellent advice as usual. But I thought I might point out some political diconect from a few weeks ago. A lady MP in the Canadian Parliament used the word Fart, well what a disgrace, people were falling over themselves to be offended on behalf of the nation. Yet I simply pointed out that the Yanks next door had just elected a trump. It was lost on them.

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Good to note that an air of levity pervades the Forum presently !.
The female Canadian MP could not have been much of a lady to describe flatulence in such a vulgar manner !. I am certain that the two members of the nobility who contribute to our pages will be suitably startled and shocked by this revelation !.

Chrisr you will find that it often happens that your best attempts at irony are lost on those you choose to unleash them upon !... but keep trying and success might follow ?.

Now then whatever has flatus and trump got to do with the Stanley/Hartlepool match ?.

KTF.

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Now then whatever has flatus and trump got to do with the Stanley/Hartlepool match ?.

KTF.[/QUOTE]

two new loanees signed after the game from fc crinkley bottom.

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The ref was too unpredictable for players to be just chucking tackles in, they had to be careful as they didn't know whether the ref would punish them

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Chucking tackles in ? Which planet are you on ? All Pearson had to do was at least challenge for it - and all Chapman had to do was come and collect it.
This is football ............................................
So you saying our players are not prepared to do what they're **** paid to do because they're scared of refs ?
Jesus Christ.

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surely we're not picking over the match still? I much preferred it when the conversation descended into lavatory humour.

I was trying to compose some witty words about what I did just prior to the Hartlepool game - where I explored "Ramsbottom" (arf arf, chuckle) and Peel's erection (god, the tears are streaming down my face laughing now).

But now, I won't bother.

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It seems that you don't, but I do take real exception to this non-essential usage of religious references !.
It not only shows some disrespect and disregard of those who hold our Lord's name to be more important than a mild expletive, but also that the user has little or no idea of better language to use when seeking to emphasise a point he or she is making.

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So glad about that Lord Didsbury !.. and perhaps this really is an opportune moment to put this thread to bed !... poetic that last bit eh ?.

KTF.