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Issued a winding up order to be heard on 20th March, owing £250,000 to HMRC

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Sounds familiar . . . . . . . .

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Very familiar, not good fer the fans.:(

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Chairman refuses to pay bills as he wants them sold

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Just been on sky sports, as well as the amount they owe the taxman they also have debts of £5 million!! Ouch!

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Sadly that looks like knackered to me.:eek:

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Very sad to see a grand old club like Orient in such difficulties.
We've been so close to the same abyss and so we can empathise.
I really hope that they can work their way out of this fix.:sad8:

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Sad news for decent fans of a decent club ruined by another 'fit and proper' owner.
But if the players react as have Morecambe's after their recent ownership fracas, there may be some interesting results for teams playing the Os.

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It may be bad but it can also be good for us, hey it's one less relagation spot, and with scumbag westleys Newport firmly in the other could mean safetyy

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Relegation has NEVER been on the cards to me this season at all.

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Their Fan's Forum is overflowing with concern ...they tend to agree with you Cashy !.

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Not only have we been close to the abyss, we've actually been over it, so we should have more empathy than most with their fans. Hope they can find a way out of it.

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how many of these winding up orders have there been in football over the years. a miracle usually happens and gets paid at the last minuit. we all have to pay taxes even if we don,t want to do so they should do on time as well. i,ve nothing agains leyton orient at all but i do think the authorities have to take action against some club one day.

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This is orient, their chairman doesn't want to pay as he wants the club gone

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Leyton Orient Holdings Limited 09090146 company information

They really don't have a pot to **** in

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Accrington Stanley Football Club Limited 01287721 company information

Jesus ours is even worse, we're not even worth 1p according to that

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Considering that the map of the ground has been rotated 180 degrees I don't give much credence to the site.

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i don,t want to pay council tax either but i,ve got a legal obligation to do so. surely he,s got some legal obligation also. the fans should not suffer just the owner.

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He might not even understands British Laws, his flat on Mayfair is up for sale so looks like he's doing a runner

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great win for orient on saturday putting another nail into westleys career as well as newports relagation plight.

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Read Newports site Westley, says hes tried everything but nothings worked.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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Oh dear, how sad, never mind - couldn't happen to a nicer fella, bet he quits before too long :rolleyes::)

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Good article in todays Mail covering the plight of Orient & Newport
Newport County teetering on the edge of oblivion | Daily Mail Online

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westley teetering on the edge of oblivion would have made a better headline.

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Newport Board meeting today to "discuss his future"

With a bit of luck, it'll be a short discussion! :D

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I hope he stays!! Last thing we want is a new manager... Look at Notts. County and Leicester City :eek:

:) :) :)

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Can't see him staying Joe, what's that saying about rats & sinking ships? And let's face it, there's no bigger rat than Westley!

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I really think that's a totally unfair and offensive statement. Rats do not deserve to be bracketed with Westley.

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Quite true. Rats are only Vermin.

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I apologise to the entire population of rats, he's more like a flea on a rat - no, less - an amoeba on a flea on a rat . . . . . . & needs stamping out, asap!!

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Seems that he has the next two games (Crewe away and Morecambe away) to save his job .......... :o

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and yet again we cheer for Morecambe ...

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......and the Alex :p

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wouldn,t go that far wanting a club to win who had a fanzine called super darioland.

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Next two games? Academic now -- Westley's been sacked!

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sad day for all in football. never thought i would ever read such a statement. managers are not given enough time these days but i,m sure he will come back stronger for all that has happened to him over the last few months. the players at newport should really look at themselves in the mirror for how they,ve let the great ambassedor to the beautiful game down.

in other words there,re thousands who won,t see your weazle sides or yourselves till you con someone else for a job. good riddance.

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Leyton Orient owe £500 to programme printer and the caterers for there functions are refusing to work for them Over unpaid bills

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Never happy to read someone's lost their job . . . . . . . . except in this case :D :D :D:theband: - wonder where the con artist will turn up next???

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oh so there is a god after all.:D

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The sad thing is...unlike most clubs where this happens due to financial shortfalls or over spending....the chap CAN actually easily afford to pay the bills.

Seems they protested against him once and he threw his toys out of the pram. Its a but like owning a restaurant and refusing to pay for any ingredients. Madness.

As ex owner Barry Hearn says...if you've been through so many managers in a short space of time...perhaps the manager isn't the problem!!

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Orient match day announcer unpaid and club photography not been paid since October, lofc staff are having too pay the match day officials, could we become the final club to play against them

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Sad state of affairs

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We were preparing a chant for Westley "Sacked in the morning , your getting sacked in the morning" !!

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Trust him to spoil everyone's fun :D

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Leyton Orient cancelling functions that are booked from April onwards

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surely something could be done by the sweet fa on a short term basis till the end of the season. not exactly a cash strapped organisation then something could be done over the summer. is the owner breaking any laws of the land by doing what he,s doing, if so prosecute him. don,t know anything about company law but i,m sure someone on here has a better insight than i do. interested to read any replies.

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He isn't breaking any laws with what he's doing, all he's doing is not paying bills, he paid players wages hence why the FA and PFA are staying out of it

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i might be wrong but if you don,t pay your own bills can,t you be taken to the high court and your assets taken off you to pay them. seems to work on the tele for call in the bailiffs or am i being a bit nieve.

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That is one option for the creditors but in this case they decided too go down the winding up route, this has frozen all bank accounts and assets which will stop the club been sold until the bill is paid off

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Orients programme Tomorow has been cut down from 68 pages to just 24 pages due to the unpaid bill

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No sky sports in any stands today, rumours they havnt paid the electric bill either

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we thought things were bad at morecambe but surely this is another low in football.

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Monkey Hanger - been thinking about this. Why doesn't the FA have some rules on funding and also, along the lines of your comment, have an emergency fund in case clubs fall into difficulty.
Obviously this means clubs/fans will end up paying into this fund but if it acts as a safety net for all then it's probably worth it.
This means, say, a club will have to work within some guidelines on overall investment and debt. Different guidelines as you move up the divisions. If the guidelines are exceeded the club is relegated. If the club needs to call on the emergency fund they are relegated two divisions.

Fans would no doubt me annoyed at relegation but it's better than going bust and it also could level the playing field a bit.

Probably this is just financial fair play rehashed, or things much discussed before and maybe it's just not possible to implement something like this?

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More something for the EFL than the FA. The FA is concerned with the administration and laws of the game at all levels, but it's the League that should be putting its house in order as regards 'fit and proper' ownership, etc.
Only problem is that the EFL represents 82 competing businesses who don't really mind if their competitors sink or swim. Below those 82 are another hundred or so clubs who'd happily take their place.
Only the fans cling to (sentimental) notions of fairness and loyalty. Twas ever and, I fear, will be thus.

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Only the fans cling to (sentimental) notions of fairness and loyalty. Twas ever and, I fear, will be thus.[/QUOTE]

without fans to attend games football would be dead in the water. t.v. companies might disagree but the game would really have a luckwarm feeling about it. try a non league game where there,s about 100 there and you,d see what i,m getting at. the thing with leyton orient is that its a friedly type of club, if stevenage or crawley were in this mess i think we might have a lttle smirk on our faces.

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fans are generally happy when a new owner comes in and gives them some dosh.
The owner is actually putting money in instead of fans to HELP buy success.
When it goes wrong (and the owner is a crook, or just an inept businessman) in a bizarre way the fans do then have a responsibility to raise money to rescue the club - since they enjoyed the good times and if they don't their club will go under.

Since this could happen to any club it would almost be a good idea that each fan pays, say, a 10p levy on each ticket that goes into a big rescue pot. Can't be bothered working it out but I bet across the leagues that's a large enough amount to bail out the occasional club that hits the ropes. Like a big insurance policy.

Would that make an owner abdicate their responsibilities? Maybe there's ways and means to apply it?

Would it be possible to apply the levy? To collect the money from the gate receipts? (maybe it's only done on season tickets and electronic sales)

Beats having to rattle collection buckets though.

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Orient unpaid still the club says it still needs afew more days, players threatening to strike

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..Think they already were on March 14....:o

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What good would going on strike do them, if the money's not there it's not there for goodness,sake.
I know it must be really hard for them, they've got families to look after & bills to pay etc but they're not the first club to be in such difficulties - I don't remember our lads talking about striking when we were in the same position or Morecambe for that matter.
And what if they did go on strike, would the opposition automatically be handed the points or would their fixtures be postponed?

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If they went on strike the club would be fined hurting the owner abit more, not sure on the exact answer but I believe the game would be postponed and played at a later date, if they strike they can be fined and sacked, but on final score other day it was mentioned that when the club are relagated most of the players will be released anyway so really they would just be starting their hols early

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The problem with Orient is the money IS there, but the owner has sewn up his pockets

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The owner promised the courts 1 million would be spent on the club to save it from winding up, if he can't pay the wages maybe the guy living in the 22 million pound mansion can't afford to pay the debt, I believe the next court date is 23rd June where they could be wound up

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[QUOTE=AccyMad;1191669]What good would going on strike do them, if the money's not there it's not there for goodness,sake.
if they are not getting paid i,d support em on a strike action. if we didn,t get paid in our jobs i,d be on my way quickly or striking if we had a ballot. as someone else pointed out, the money,s there it,s just not being used.

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I can understand them feeling like going on strike but, in reality, how would that affect the other teams in the league if for instance their strike goes on to the end of the season & they can't complete their fixtures?

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It would be Sod's law if all the O's results are made null and void and Stanley lose 4+ on their GD!

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That would only happen if the club was wound up, failure to field a team would result in game postponement and be played at a later date

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I realise that, but AccyMad was raising a thought about what would happen if the strike carried on beyond 6th May.
The season couldn't then end, the play-offs couldn't take place until Orient rearranged and played six games. If Orient are mathematically doomed by 6 May, and the next winding-up hearing is in June, who's to say the players could be made to finish their outstanding fixtures? Just a mess.

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The FA would force them to play if they still refuse 3 points would be handed to the teams they should of played

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Interesting stat on the BBC Sports web site that, in the last financial year, Pompey paid the most money to agents of any League 2 club (£175K) but the second highest, at £83K, was....Leyton Orient.
This was ten times what Stanley paid, apparently.

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http://www.thefa.com/-/media/thefaco...lish-2017.ashx

All figures there

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wonder which players were involved with that fee, asfc don't usually do agent fees do they

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Leyton Orient's team selection against Cambridge United is likely to feature a minimum of first team regulars (From East London and West Essex Guardian Series)

All of orients first team out injured

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All of orients first team out injured[/QUOTE]

if people believe that well there,s no hope for the human race.

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Who knows, maybe the youngsters of Orient will be up for taking their chance of first team football, do us a favour & beat Cambridge

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The PFA has told Orient players if they are not paid by Friday then they have every right to leave the club due to breach of contract

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Get Cisak on the phone

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The EFL has asked @LOFansTrust to pay Leyton Orient's match-day medical bills for the rest of the season, and the PFA has paid half of the players wages for March

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To clarify - EFL didn't ask LOFT, they instructed the club to ask them.

Can't even do their own dirty work.

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Orient today have hired a new doctor, physio and sports therapist without telling the current staff they're sacked first

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The efl have asked Blackpool not to sell Orient fans any tickets after Saturday's pitch invasion

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Presumably it's being done in fear of Orient fans invading pitch and preventing the game proceeding. In that case Blackpool may need to make sure they don't sell any home tickets too.

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They have already been on sale for 2 weeks, but probably only sold a handful.

I wonder if they will ban away fans or just not sell anymore. It seems that BFC asked the FL not to sell anymore.

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Season ticket holders only is the rumour

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that will make blackpool jealous of our home gates then.

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They are now allowing 1000 but must be st holder of trust member

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Looks like Orient aren't quite out of the woods yet.

Yesterday, they received a 2nd winding up order because their former stewarding company "Centre Circle Events" have said they have no contact from the club and are yet still to be paid. The court hearing is on their deadline day of June 12th to pay off all debts to everyone. I reckon they will be OK though, as the debt is only for £18,600 (unless other companies also come out of the woodwork by then, but imo, I would have thought they would have already done so.)

http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...r-unpaid-debts

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So Tomorow is D-day for Orient, survival doesn't look very likely

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Bechetti needs to stump up atleast 1 million in the next 13 hours

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Best of luck to Orient today, really hope they can come out the other side of this & carry on

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Winding up order dismissed, creditors paid in full

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Thats real good news imho.

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Seemingly good news on the face of it but reading their forum the fans aren't doing cartwheels just yet, they're hoping their present owner has paid the creditors because he has an imminent buyer for the club but they're still very worried.
One poster states they have no players, no kit, no training ground & no word on when season tickets will be on sale & unless the club is sold within the next week fears the NL will not accept them - worrying times indeed

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I'd view as good news when yeh consider the alternative.;)

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NL have said they will accept them in

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Budget has to be approved by National League as being "reasonably financially viable".

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They have a budget of 1.5 mil with an extra 3 mil for contingencies next season

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Was just saying from their fans point of view they're a long way from being out of the woods yet - think some would rather go into administration & have to start all over again than still be saddled with the present owner