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New powers to come into place next year to tackle divers

‪ http://www.thefa.com/home/news/2017/...-180517‬

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About time summat was done, won't change a result though.

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Will be a 2 match ban for anybody caught Diving

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It should be a 3 game ban and a large fine, diving can ruin a football game

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Thought I heard on the radio that, before it can be enforced, it has to be accepted by the PL, EFL, and even, for some reason, the PFA.
Almost as much bureaucracy in football as the EU.:rolleyes:

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Sure the FA had said they'd voted for it and it will happen

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Yes, the FA have voted for it but before it can come into force those three other 'stakeholders' have also to agree. They may do so, or have said that they will, but I don't know if it's entirely within the FA's powers to impose it against the will of the other parties.

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They are also talking of retrospective action by viewing the incident after the match has finished.
If that is the case, what will they do when a player has been booked, and possibly sent off, for diving when it later becomes evident that the player was indeed fouled. Do they rescind the card and any punishment that followed - what if a penalty was awarded (foul play in the penalty area), will they change the result? This could turn into an absolute screw up, even if the match is stopped to review the incident as in R.U. then we can look forward to extended match time. Look what happened when they changed the offside laws.
Of course the TV pundits don't help the current situation, not very often that two of them agree.

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Of Blackpool complained the the FA panel would revue the footage and if found guilty of diving would be banned

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in a perfect world there would be no diving but once its there its hard to get rid of. a lot of it is me its just more pressure on officialsabout the angle the ref sees the incident. seen games myself when an incident looks like a dive from where i,ve been sat but others have said contact was made when they were in another part of the ground. then the slow motion replays you get are not 100 per cent for a decision. just more problems for officials and we know what,ll happen for stanley players don,t we.

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Last night it wouldn't have mattered but what if Hylton's penalty had won the match for Luton? That's the difficulty of retrospective refereeing. The cheater's team could still win. But if the incident can be reviewed immediately, the resulting penalty would not have been given.
Sam Allardyce is asking what happens, retrospectively, to to the player who gets booked for diving but was genuinely fouled. Perhaps they'll introduce an appeal process for every referee's decision. That'll suit much the media, of course, as it'll give them more to endlessly blather about.
What it reveals is the growing disparity between watching live football (played in the here and now, in real time, refereed by human beings with human imperfections) and watching what may as well be virtual football (played on a screen, in slow-motion, endlessly replayed, from ten different angles, 'refereed ' by 'experts' who can pontificate as if they have the wisdom of Solomon).

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If the FA are to use any 'Teaching Videos' then they must surely watch some of the famous......
RORY PRENDERGAST........:eek:
Diver extraordinaire!:D:jimbo:

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More importantly would the penalty be declared void and perhaps change the result?

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If someone is running flat out the slightest nudge on one of his legs, at a particular moment, can result in him falling. If the referee, and possibly the linesman, don't get a clear view of the nudge then the player is accused of diving.
Of course all the panel pundits will love the situation - they will get even more chance of telling us how a player cheated and should therefore be banned - and the bias from their playing days kicks in once again.

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But Barrie, I don't believe "the slightest nudge" is a foul.
The way some players appear to talk is that they feel fully justified in falling down if a defender even so much as brushes a finger against them. Such peripheral contact, in what remains a game that allows 'fair' contact (shoulder charge, anyone?), should not be used as an excuse for a full length, arms outstretched, mouth-gaping dive. That's cheating, and pathetic in grown children.

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Ha, ha - yeah bless him, Rory did it so well & (as Kenny Everett would say), always in the best possible taste :D

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Don't matter to me WHO does it, its cheating end of.

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The problem is the refs very rarely give free kicks for penal fouls if a player doesn't go to ground, if they stay on their feet off balance and lose the ball due to someone kicking lumps out of them the ref tens to play on.

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So, if we can just get refs to distinguish between "kicking lumps out of someone" and "the slightest nudge" things should be OK.:rolleyes:

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I assume if there is any contact at all then it's not a dive.

if there is none then it's a dive? BUT Even if the ref thinks there was no contact (i.e. Gives benefit of doubt to defender) he can still give benefit of doubt to attacker re sending off? "Beyond reasonable doubt"?

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[QUOTE=Chewbacca;1194675]The problem is the refs very rarely give free kicks for penal fouls if a player doesn't go to ground,

probebly due to the fact if you do give a penalty without the player going to the ground after a trip or foul tackle you get so much grief in all levels of football you,re loathed to do it again. done it on occasions but usually end up with a few cautioned for dissent.

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It surely depends on the definition of "contact".
I've heard professional players on the radio appearing to justify going to ground if they so much as feel any touch anywhere on their bodies. A brush against their arms, a "slight nudge" as someone else suggested.
Having been tripped up many a time on the hallowed turf that was Highams, my unscientific acid test is that any player who has time to stretch out his arms and scream in false agony is, more than likely, play-acting.

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that,s totally true exile. just tripped up over a stone this morning on the moors with my dog and only he knew what happened. no screaming and used my left hand to break my fall. apart from franny lee years ago all this diving and going down easy seems a fairly modern import from the continent.

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And I bet your dog 'played on'? ;)

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but the stone got a retrospective 6 game ban.

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There's no such thing as "diving", if a player lays down because he's tired, just leave him there and get on with it, if he has a broken leg I suppose the game should stop. I remember playing in the 60s, if a player went down for nothing you just notified him that next time he would would have a reason to go down.

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Sounds like the Dog could make a better referee than some of those we have seen in League Two over the last couple of seasons!
Or is that a bit "wough" on referees?:eek:

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Now you really are barking, Choirboy.;)

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more bite than some ex players though.

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Watched a good programme about Celtic's European victory 50 :eek: years ago. Inter got a very early goal thanks to a penalty from....a dive. Didn't do 'em any good in the end, but it's amazing to remember just how long that particular form of cheating, as regarded by most British fans, has been practiced in some parts of the world.

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yeh i watched it also, its always happened, but these days its become a epidemic.

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Yeah, in the olden days you knew who the divers were: Francis Lee, Stuart Pearson.

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Brian Phelps.

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[QUOTE= but it's amazing to remember just how long that particular form of cheating, as regarded by most British fans, has been practiced in some parts of the world.[/QUOTE]

problem is they don,t see it as something wrong. its just like we don,t with the full blooded tackle that takes the ball first then the man. called being over aggressive nowadays but would rather see this than some guy with fancy coloured boots on taking the dive in the box or any other part of the pitch. different age and cultures i,m afraid. bring back div.3 north.