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...in Accy Mads absence.. C'mon you REDS

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^%^$$%&^#@y$u^o*&^i .
Feck!!!!

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I'm here Kiwi & keeping an eye on you :)

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:(

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I let it slip de this week KJ but seriously, please stay away from your keyboard next Saturday - pretty please, it's going from bad to worse :(

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Silly Sean...bloody refs' a useless t***

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...I can't-its an affliction... :(

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I would concur on that :mad:

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Another GRUMPY Sunday coming up. :(

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Consider yourself lucky your Saturday is already over! :rolleyes:

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:d:d

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Dire.
Country roads take me home.

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very poor today distribution was Abysmal. S.M. should have learnt by now NOT to retaliate.

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He should try to rise above being wound up, but on the other hand it was Ched Evans - if anyone deserves a slap it's him

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Fleetwoods midfielder that got MoM sure deserved it hes a class act. though second half i thought the Ref earned MoM.:rolleyes:

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Is that M for Muppet? :rolleyes:

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well the Ref certainly was but thats NO excuse to me for that performance.;)

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I know I’m in a ****ed off mood but if you’re going to do an interview with the Manager can we please have a recording we can bloody hear. Jesus wept kit can’t be that expensive.

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From the Fishy site 29th July 2019 Sean McConville talking about his role at Stanley this season:

Sean is one of the older members of the squad and he says that reflects in his more professional approach to football.

“I think Mark (Hughes) was saying, when we came back, that I was the second oldest which is scary.

“I enjoy it, I am at that age where I have got to set examples day in and day out in the way I conduct myself on and off the pitch and on the training ground to these young players.

Fleetwood?:bingobang:

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well he was not very professional this afternoon.

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Finley best player in a Stanley shirt by a country mile.
Clark yet again vanished into thin air.
Johnson needs to man up.
Conneely was far too sloppy considering his role.
Sykes and Hughes were average at best although at least Sykes looked like he cared and is definitely a future captain.
Francis-Angol played okay - seems a better option than Maguire.
Bishop won nothing in the air - yes it’s frustrating that he seems to be just missing simple tap ins however it’s a big step up and you can train agility.

Surprised no Sousa/Carvalho on bench.
Need to be far more direct. Too much nice football was played in our own half.

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Jings, the ‘highlights’ are horrendous.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/vide...2-0-accrington

Surely McConville’s ‘shot’ wasn’t Stanley’s best attacking effort?
The first goal came from Sykes neither controlling nor clearing a ball.
Johnson heads the ball back towards his goal into the path of their forward.
Conneely loses control of the ball in the box that results in the penalty.
And then McConville gets himself sent off after the ref had blown for a free kick in his favour.
Back to King George’s, methinks, on Monday.

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I reckon our keeper musta been instructed to short pass the ball out? i fail to understand why if thats the case? it puts us in danger many times as i see it if ball is lost in our half, surely its better to boot the ball long? at least if its then lost its in the opponents half as i see it.

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we’d be just giving them possession if we did that, won nothing in the air today.
Playing out from the back is effective, if you have the off the ball moment. I saw a snail move quicker than our lads today.

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oh i agree but to me its less danger to us if its lost in there half surely.

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No, he wasn't but if you look at the photo Kipax has posted on Facebook it clearly shows Evans also raised his hands to Sean so how come he only got a yellow?
Not in any way condoning Sean's actions but it looks like six of them be & half a dozen of the other so both should have received the same punishment.

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Then sign the snail, no worse than the panic punts taken so far. Absolutely pafetic, with a capital F!
As for money spent on longer term contracts, is anyone seeing a return on the investment?
You don’t manage at this level by splitting the camp , looking after an inner circle and betting on signings that together hadn’t reached double figures in league appearances ( I think the first 3 hadn’t from memory).

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Just watching EFL on Quest, I know it wasn't a good game but talk about blink & you'll miss it! Was hardly worth watching for the couple of seconds mention we got & what there was was so one sided the commentator must've been wearing blinkers

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You won’t get any solace from the die hards mate.
The gambles are numerous and huge.
Not the boys fault (I use the word boys because we are short of men).
Something radical has to change before the rot sets in but for the life of me I have no idea what radical is.
Can’t see another foray into the market and still a risk of departures.

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Much has been said previously about ' The Coley Magic ' and how, given time, he can take a bunch of apparent novices and create a situation where eleven men ( boys if you prefer ! ) somehow cohere into a unit which provides the expected success !.
Now, although being a lifelong admirer of the lads who are, and have been performers making up the Magic Circle, I go along with the word ' illusion ' but shy away from anything described as ' Magic ' . But what I do believe that as far as Football ( OK Di ? ) is concerned, that there are Managers who really do have more acumen than others where developing and maintaining the skills of individual players and their team/squad ..and JC is one of these !.
Another word, this time one I can give credence to, is patience, and now I feel is not the time to doubt the management skills of JC but to allow a little time for change to happen !.
In my mind the key to everything is patience. You get the chicken by hatching the egg, not by smashing it !.
I feel that as far as this this season goes there won't be any magic... just the sort of honest graft and application which has led our club to the wonderful situation we can witness as we enter its gates !.

End of novelette!.

ON STANLEY ON !.. TO GREATER THINGS !! .

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certainly they should, but look at the picture the ref can easy say he never saw evans do it. you cant rely on refs decisions.

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Wise words Alan, wise words :)

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Watching todays game was a case of Groundhog Day for the last two matches. No shape to the play leaving wide gaps on the wings.everybody wanting to play in midfield and not being able to hang onto the ball once in possession.

As for the goalie throwing or passing short balls in the penalty area I think we are playing russian roulette every match and we will suffer for it eventually.

The team does need to gel as every season lately Coley has had to build a new team from scratch but the man marking and tighter play should not be seen as rocket science. Get the ball keep the ball pass the ball!

It's early days yet and one good win will lift the team but let's not leave it too much longer.

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Build a new team from scratch?
Evtimov Johnson Sykes Hughes Clark Finlay Conneely McConville - all started.
Hardly a new team.

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Senior/Experienced players are more of a concern for me at the moment than the new signings.

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Long way to go; tough game on Saturday against MK.

Not sure Saturdays tactics will work against MK based on how they set up last season; haven’t watched MK this season.

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[QUOTE=Icarus;1230844

As for the goalie throwing or passing short balls in the penalty area I think we are playing russian roulette every match and we will suffer for it eventually.


with the keeper doing this short throw or kick routine the opposition are further up in our half than they should be. cannot see the difference in the keeper kicking it long than him throwing out to a defender who eventually does the same. the first option stops any mistakes happening.

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right infront of the 4th official and near the linesman also. you,d think they could have got that decision spot on really.

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1230862][QUOTE=Icarus;1230844

As for the goalie throwing or passing short balls in the penalty area I think we are playing russian roulette every match and we will suffer for it eventually.


with the keeper doing this short throw or kick routine the opposition are further up in our half than they should be. cannot see the difference in the keeper kicking it long than him throwing out to a defender who eventually does the same. the first option stops any mistakes happening.[/QUOTE]





It is all based on possession - though you know that - and comes from Spain, Barca and now City/Liverpool :)

The opposition cannot score, if you have the ball :)

Coley has played like this for years, we were best at it when we have Sean Hessey, Proccy and Luke Joyce :)

I do not have any problem with the way we play, what I would like to see, is a variation :)

We have a couple of big(ger) lads up front this season, so kicking it long occasionally should be an option! :)

:) :) :)

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aye but we frequently dont have the ball with poor distribution, its a damn site less risky to lose it in oppositions half surely?

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Somebody wake me up!
For a moment I thought I'd wandered into another dimension, or is this the Fantasy Football thread????
Let's get back to reality.
There are NO football professionals - from any league, proven or not, beating a path to John Coleman's door for the privilege of playing for peanuts in front of the lowest gates in the EFL.
Panic punts? Huge gambles? Really????
When it comes to gambling Stanley aren't sitting at the casino table with the high-rollers.
They're in the penny arcade trying to drop that elusive fiver temptingly perched on the edge of the tuppenny waterfall.
Stanley will never inhabit the world of fantasy football. For us it is & will always remain the Hunger Games.
Pardon me for disagreeing, but aren't we already living the dream!
Thanks to Coleman & Bell, we're playing football in League 1. Flyweights punching above our weight in the Middleweight division.
Now & then we'll suffer a k.o! The odd black eye is par for the course.
Thanks to Andy Holt, we're debt free & actually made a profit last year. Rarer than a winding up order from HMRC.
Of course, we could always take a massive gamble by spending millions we haven't got on players we can't afford, in the hope of achieving success.
Bolton & Bury followed that road - it leads to the edge of oblivion.
That would be pafetic, sorry I meant p-a-t-h-e-t-i-c !
With a capital P.

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[QUOTE=VALAIRIAN;1230872]Ah, possession! The most meaningless statistic of many meaningless statistics in today’s football world.
It’s an example of using one of the business world’s more stupid activities, which is to place a spurious value only on the things you can count, not the things that matter but you can’t count.

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What a good post :)

Sensible and level headed :)

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Yet again you miss the point sir. Do you think we’ve got these players and are paying them nothing ?
Let’s assume a grand a week x 12
How about two grand a week x 6 and get some experience ?

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Fair enough! But tell me this?
How much would it cost the club to buy these experienced players who are worth £2k a week?
Or are they available on a free transfer?

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With on costs it would cost £850k a year just to pay them, pretty deluded isn't it?

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Id sooner get relegated with the overdraft intact than get relegated with it blown. 2k a week then tear a hamstring and be out for 3 months my arse.

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Although the truth and reality is somewhere between both those extremes; you can both survive and pick up good players for lesser wages.

I agree with the contribution regarding variety - it’s arguably Coleman’s biggest weakness and arguably his strength - he has his way of playing and his preferred 11 to play it and sticks with them; when we win it’s genius and when we lose it’s a failure to mix it up.
We do seem to struggle at the start of each season and then put in a good run of results before Christmas; is this simply the squad adapting to Coleys tactics and formation?


There is another argument this season, with Bolton and Bury effectively already relegated we only need to avoid 2 relegation slots.
Do you play the long game and scrape through this season and save funds to have a proper go next season when the risk of relegation will be greater?
Let’s not forget, survival is success in league 1 for Stanley although Coleman would never settle for mere survival; but if we have a 2 year plan to develop some players this season and keep some funds back to have a better quality and deeper squad next season, it could be a master stroke with the relegation risk considerably diminished.

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Absolute nonsense !!
I’m talking out of contract players or those available free.
Loads of them this pre season but want a decent living.
Example Jon Taylor Rotherham to Doncaster.
Half a mill player two years ago.
What do you think the on cost is for the 12 we’ve signed ?

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So how much do you think we are paying Kee and Zanzala ?

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Pretty cheap shot.

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Why is it ?
Zanzala ?
Pretty petty only quoting half the question.

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Nothing !!!
LOADS have moved this pre season.
Why do you think Clark and Johnson are still with us ?
Because - rightly so - the club wants a fee.
Why pay hundreds of thousands when you can get a player of similar standard for nothing ?
Do the maths.

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You should apply for Coleman’s job if he’s obviously clueless 🤷*♂️

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So English football is awash with LOADS of proven quality players, all looking for a new home & available for nothing?
Except perhaps a £2000 per week salary?
John Coleman has oft said that if Mr Holt gave him £5m pounds, he wouldn't spend it on players, because those players would be coming only for the money.
They would simply be mercenaries who had no loyalty to ASFC.
We can't afford to pay anyone £100,000+ a year, let alone 6 of them.
That's why we sign hungry young players who are looking for a second chance to ignite their careers.
Players who are glad to get that chance & proud to wear our shirt.
That policy has got us where we are today, competing on the same terms against clubs with 10 x our budget.
It will take time, but I predict that this new crop of young bloods will come good & Mr Coleman's judgement will be vindicated.
Bishop will score more goals. Charles will burst the net with more rocket shots.
Let's give these young lads a chance & more important - our support.
If we go down, no one in the game will shed a tear for Accrington Stanley. You know what? Nor will I!
For whether we're in L1 or the Conference North - I'll always be a Stanley fan.
That's about the maths.

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Nobody can argue with Coley or the Stanley Way ... its served us well so far and won at least 2 promotions that we shouldnt have been entitled to

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I called it a cheap shot because YOU chose to mention Kee in your first post.
The fact you try to deflect things by excluding his name and concentrate solely on Zanzala just proves the point.
I’m no relation or agent to either of these players but I suggest that Billy Kee has done more than enough for Stanley to earn respect from keyboard warriors on here.

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[QUOTE=Exile on Spencer St;

Ah, possession! The most meaningless statistic of many meaningless statistics in today’s football world.

totally agree. just something else pointless for the pundits to prattle on about. at the end of the day what matters is shots on target. a couple of years ago burnley were masters of winning games with far less of the ball than the opposition. if you are going to have possession statistics lets have em for the time spent in the opposition half where the game is actually won and not include the ten pass crossfield move on the enge of your own penalty area.

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The introduction of VAR this season has caused quite a stir and does seem to disrupt the flow of matches.......:idunno:
However, the sending off incident on Saturday is a clear example of how video evidence should be used after matches to review incidents, and for action to be taken, that the officials may have missed.:type:
Sean reacted to Evans efforts to wind him up ironically after a free kick had already been awarded to Stanley.:dummy2:
Evans did not need to get involved!:angry:
A retrospective viewing of this incident like they do in rugby would have led to Evans also being cited for violent conduct and therefore getting the same three match ban that McConville received.:ooh:
IMHO Evans action was horrible in the way he grabbed McConville's lips and twisted them! Sean reacted and deserved his red card but Evans should have got red carded too!:confused:

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he would also have got a red if the officials had been honest imho

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I presume Clark and Johnson are with us because they are under contract!!!
If they don’t sign contract extensions offered to them (which normally happens with good players),they can leave for nothing when it expires.

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Who said there’s weren’t ?
Hence if you read my post there would be a fee involved.
Thank you for stating the obvious that players out of contract can move for nothing. Revelations every day.
Contract extensions are signed if the terms are acceptable.
Normally happens ? Only if the terms are acceptable.

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28,you stated “why do you think Clarke and Johnson are still with us”,
Because they are under contract was a reasonable reply!!!
Are you implying they tried to leave in summer?,hence your remark regarding the club wanting a fee ?
Have they been offered or signed a contract extension?,
Apologies if this has been covered in previous posts

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Please........ you are both better than this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Either of you there tomorrow?? :)

:) :) :)

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So that is a no then!!!!!!! :D

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Good to see you an chat :)

Must do the same thing game after game now ;)

:) :) :)