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Where is money come in from “We heard weeks ago where the Premier League said: ‘we will donate £125m to the EFL and National League.’ But what has happened? They have had meeting after meeting.
if no money is forth coming from the EPL I can see many clubs going into administration, I did read on Andy Holts twitter he is looking to separate the club from the stadium as protection if the club is forced into administration, hope some help comes quickly but its very worrying

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BBC Sport covered that yesterday https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52590065

I don't pretend to understand the logic of how such a separation protects either the club or the ground :confused:, but given past performance I am prepared to assume AH knows what he's doing :)

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That £125 million was only an advance on money's due from broadcasting rites and once used it's gone nothing been offered in the way of a financial package from either EFL or premiership, but wouldn't hold my breath on that lot helping out they will look after therselfs first, this is why I firmly believe the season in leagues 1 and 2 will finish this week because most clubs want to hibernate shed out of contract players and hopefully agree wage reductions possibly to be refunded, but where is Graham Taylor and is PFA stance protect players wages with what he is out of touch, you don't as a coal miner ask for a rise when the coal face is drying up but then again.

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I'm haven't a law degree either but would assume if the club & stadium are separated and the club goes into administration then the stadium would not be able to be sold to recover the clubs debt

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I think you are probably close to the truth there Andy Holt I think is doing what I would do looking at best, middle and worst case scenarios across his business including Accy Stanley, take the players budget for example correct me someone if I,m way off, but was led to believe around£1,2 million presumably this counts loanees of which we had 8 out of contract and again I could be wrong here about 7. Squad last year was including youngsters was about 38 so minus 15 leaves 23. Alright everyone on different money but for easy reckoning I,ll average them out 23 players leaves a wage bill of £725 thousand roughly, with no gate and hospitality,drinks etc income administration has to be equated in worst case scenario.

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What's included in your £1.2 million figure

And what's your £725m figure ?? next season's budget ??

That would be the lowest in the EFL ( as of today) and yes things will change

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Just hazarding a guess at figures but trying to paint possible scenarios for readers on here with the worst one administration being the one I presume we all want to avoid, but Stanley is a business at the end of the day as well as being part of the community hopefully for many years to come.

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Na liquidation is worse. With on costs considered your figures mean Stanley players would only get 20 odd grand. Okay for semi-pro if that happens.

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That would be the lowest in the EFL ( as of today) and yes things will change[/QUOTE]

things will really change as the tunnel we are in seems to get longer and longer without a chink of light being seen. its all this not knowing what and when anything can happen is hampering clubs futures. as with everything in life at the moment somebody will need to make some brave and sensible decisions regarding the future of lower league football. just locking down and living in fear is no answer.

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Maybe after everyone hears what Boris says later today about the road map out of lockdown decisions not just in football will start to happen next week, but it's clear to me that a lot of tough moves will have to be made and the bottom line is in every walk of life unfortunately money does the talking. Without some credible large financial aid football clubs will shed any cost they can legally get away with, players staff management even, let's hope some money is forthcoming but I ain't holding my breath.

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what do think to the efl weighted PPG system, the table would use the average number of points each side has picked up per home game this season and the average number of points picked up at each away game this season, it does seem a very complicated system

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I think it’s a waste of time and effort trying to concoct some clever mathematical formula. No formula can take account of form, conditions, injuries, sending-offs, etc, etc. So just because it’s complicated won’t make it any fairer.
That’s why I suggested just declaring all outstanding games 0-0 draws.
OK, in reality, the top teams would probably do better and the bottom teams MAY do worse, but none would be unfairly treated over any other and the current positions would barely change.
Then the only games needing to be played would be play-off semis and final (4 teams, 3 games max).

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Having seen the results of this, I personally do not care if this is used, or any other tool that has been suggested. Stanley will remain a League 1 team if the season is ended this week!

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and of second importance, will stevenage be relagated to the national league.

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With still no clear evidence of whether crowds will be considered safe at football should the promotion relegation argument be more important than the June 30th contract date. Because just because you as a player with a ongoing contract doesn't mean necessarily your jobs safe clubs with no incomes may want wage cuts, deferrals or worst still contracts ripped up. Also if clubs start missing monthly wage payments will they still be subject to points deductions seems a bit pointless if a large number of clubs are all missing payments.

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There can be no evidence of something that doesn’t exist.

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This afternoon the government are expected to announce that until a vaccine is available there is no start date for the resumption of mass gatherings if announced this is bad news for a lot of business's as well as football.

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No elite sport until June 1st and then only if considered safe and certainly behind closed doors, premiership still falling out between themselves about how to proceed this again doing nothing for clubs further down the pryamid.

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Lot of negotiations are happening Andy.

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Yes there is and you can bet not a lot are about handing large amounts of money towards helping the lower leagues out, they will look out for themselves first after all they are the elite and they want to stay that way.

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Project restart for the premiership could be project destruct for EFL clubs if made to play behind closed doors not just this season next one as well, somebody soon has too grow some balls and stick up to them dictating the show.

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doubt very much if enough people will andy, hope im wrong.

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Quote

The regulations and agreements dictate that the Premier League cannot unilaterally void a season without the agreement of the Football Association and the English Football League. ... And the EFL's position is unequivocal: they are determined to finish the season, no matter when that may be"

Why are you blaming the Premiership ?

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As things stand, according to these, Stevenage will only have two players after 30 June:
https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/footbal...ms_397762.html
https://www.thecomet.net/stevenage-f...lace-1-6626146

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How many will we have ?

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I,m not I,m blaming the virus and unfortunately rules and regulations quite frankly might mean Jack **** way this is playing out as usual money will be the decision maker.

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Really ?
Thats not how I read your post #21.

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Excluding loans - ZFA, Seamus, Dimi, Clicker, Maguire, Edwards, Sousa,Barclay, Ozzy , Carvalho , Zehn and Lewis Doyle I think are all out of contract - poss that some have 1+1 deals in clubs favour (Wilson and joe maguire I think - maybe Phil Edwards??);
Yosser out of contract but option in clubs favour...
Not 100% on Rodgers, Ogle, Matty Williams, Gilboy, Harry Perritt
Leaves Savin, Ross Sykes, LKS, McConville, Finley, Pritchard, Dion, Colby, Andy Scott

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Callum Johnson ?

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This is where Im confused. We’ve made it clear no contract extensions so you have to assume the club wont exercise one year options ?

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Think Callum is also out of contract, don’t think we have option but I could be wrong.
Can’t see Callum or Clicker agreeing.
I’d offer Yosser, Seamus, Maguire/Barclay (just!) and Zehn Mohammed extensions.
Also Perritt and Regan Ogle if they were out of contract
Dimi I’d understand wanting a move back closer to home. (Walsall interested??)

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Johnson is out of contract I believe will be going along with the rest out of contract unfortunately unless something changes dramatically when the game does return it will be a vastly different Stanley side.

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Could be a heck of a lot of talent available on free transfers elsewhere.
I wouldn’t view our situation as a complete negative.

Realistically how many of those out of contract would we be keeping if Covid-19 didn’t happen.
My guess is very few anyway.

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Andy d, You might consider the role of the Championship.

In normal circumstances, any EFL regulation change requires the majority of the 24 clubs in the Championship to vote in favour, plus the majority of the whole 71-club structure.

This system places significant power with the Championship. However, it could be argued that it should not be so strong in determining the future direction of the leagues below.

Hopefully by close of business today League One and Two over ....... with terms for promotion / relegation to be resolved.

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Josh,

I might have misunderstood this or even interpreted it wrong but didn't Andy say no contract extensions will be offered and 30/6 plus a month's notice and that's it for pay ?

On that basis can't see any options being exercised either.

I'm assuming Sean's recovery is nearly complete.

However of the retained Finlay wont be doing a much .......... for a quarter of the season.

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Would take everything Andy tweets with a pinch of salt.
Presume waiting for decisions to be made - players will be informed of situation - reckon it could go down to last minute.
Next few weeks will be massive.

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But yes - my comments were meant more in an ideal world scenario.
Yes the situation is no where near ideal - however in reply to the negative comments about the situation leaving us with no players - realistically I could only see us keeping a small number of the out of contract players anyway.

Completely my view however - no connection to the club in this sense etc.

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What you reckon to this Josh ?

"Wycombe have most to gain. If the play-offs were scrapped and points-per-game average implemented, they would move from eighth to third and be heading for the Championship for the first time in their history"

Some big clubs might have something to say !!!

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Not a fan of PPG (even weighted for home/away etc)
HOWEVER, if that was agreed - good luck to Wycombe! well run club.

I think efforts will be made to finish the season , if finances/contracts issue can be sorted.

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Just shows how ridiculous it would be to use some concocted formula like PPG.
If you look at the most recent form over 8 games, Wycombe (I have no gripe against them, I’ve always enjoyed trips there, good club) are barely above mid-table.
Hope the EFL has a good lawyer if they do impose PPG.

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Take everything that Andy Holt says on twitter with a pinch of salt at least Andy had thoughts similar to mine at the beginning of this pandemic when pre Portsmouth game he was tweeting about not sending the team down to play. Take what the premiership and government say about lower leagues with a large pinch of salt is more the norm.They seem to think that the public would be boosted by showing games like we have nothing else to think about, shot down in a survey only 19% agreed, they should have cancelled the lot at the beginning and start again when we can all start together.

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I’d look at the demographics of that survey before making any judgment on it.
It’s easy to manipulate something like that to get the answer you (the media in this case) want.

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Not manipating anything just passing on a comment my own wish in all of this is that the welfare of all football is looked after as much as it is possible to do so, not risking it's future concentrating on short term risks to certain clubs personal,s health and the long term health of the game as an whole.

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Sorry Andy, I wasn’t implementing yourself to be manipulating the outcome. More so the YouGov poll. Look at the demographics of who was asked.

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I agree Josh.
Regardless of covid-19 we have to accept that some departures maybe we'd prefer not to happen.
It's players such as Yosser and Seamus that I cant understand us not keeping for another year.
Solid pros such as these two are a Godsend if again we will be taking chances with kids.
Just my opinion.

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As nobody has a clue when Stanley will have crowds back and nobody on here apart from Mr.T perhaps has any idea apart from trying to guess as I did potential new contracts I fear just won't be there unless something from outside or health guidelines significantly improve earlier than anticipated sadly I think the very survival of the club comes before any player however experienced or talented. This won't only be the case at Stanley but at most clubs in this league and below even maybe above who knows but it is an interesting debate sadly at the cost of a lot of people's livelihoods.

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You know what is ironic in all this ? One club that now does have a solid base is Bolton Wanderers.
Watch them buy their way to the League Two title.

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Have they decided who,s being relegated must have missed something.

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Nothing set in stone, however, the current bottom 3 are favourites for the drop to league 2. I think a number of owners would be miffed if Bolton were allowed to stay in League 1 (along with Southend and Tranmere (who I have nothing against), but it would mean that the points deduction they got at the beginning of the season would be for nothing and mean they have effectively 'got away with it'. My personal hope is for the PPG option or even current standings, either way, it means Stanley continue in League 1 when football eventually returns.

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Tranmere on a cracking run of form, game in hand plus extra home game.
If it’s done on weighted PPG it will be close.

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On weighted PPG Coventry champions Rotherham and Wycombe promoted, relegation Tranmere, Southend and Bolton.

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Think it’s Oxford promoted instead of Wycombe.
Peterborough, Portsmouth, Ipswich & Sunderland all remaining in League 1 for another season. Wouldn’t of thought that at the start of the season!

Big week ahead next week. EFL hampered by wanting to make fresh discussions and start from beginning but some clubs have already have discussions and a lot further along with ideas than others.

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No it's definitely Wycombe just double checked Oxford 4th and Peterborough about 7th this is why their chairman is threatening legal action really to stop any legal challenges IMHO best way is either continue which is looking unlikely or null and void.

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What, you really think there would be no legal challenges if the whole season was declared null and void so runaway leaders didn't get promoted? :confused:

Winners and losers either way, losers always likely to be sore!

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On a weighted PPG I’ve got Oxford 3rd on 75.92 points and then Wycombe in 6th on 74.71 points. Definitely Oxford in top 3 then play offs made up of Fleetwood, Peterborough, Wycombe, Portsmouth.

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It would all depend on how the ‘Weighting’ is applied? I would say that Wycombe would go up by ‘Weighting’ because they’ve got AKINFENWA!:s_lol:

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Your quite right Chimer no easy answers like I said finishing the season is the fairest way but very unlikely whenever we do restart squads across the game will likely be decimated teams looking very different voiding the season isn't ideal but neither are any other way just having a club still solvent will be the biggest issue for a lot, EFL need to be setting some plan out for clubs to try and follow but it appears from the outside they are waiting for the premiership,s lead even Andy Holt has commented on lack of steering from authorities.

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Trust you :D

:) :) :)

Hope you are keeping well my friend :)

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You can apply any methodology - finish the season average points blah blah - they’re down.

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nothing against bolton really but they need to be relagated if only to show that points deductions are seen as a deterant for all clubs in the future.

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They would have likely been relegated anyway even if point deduction didn’t occur.

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Well due to this virus and no offer of financial aid as yet a lot of clubs will struggle to pay monthly wages on time are they all going to get 6 point deductions say for example a dozen clubs default in the same month.

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John Barnes on BBC Sport this morning suggested......Whenever Football restarts play the matches left and finish the season then just start the new season. He based this on the fact that players will have had on off season, be it weeks or months and will be ready to play.:idunno:

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Josh,

With no points deduction better players would have signed for the club. I thought they were decent anyway but on level terms they'd have stayed up because the squad would have been stronger.

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I think even with the players they have they’ve underperformed.
You reckon points deduction (and not money issues) had that much of an impact on players joining?

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"Null and void" would presumably mean no promotion, no relegation - and maybe Bolton starting the new season on -10 again!

I thought they would gallop up the table once they got their finances semi-sorted and were able to replace their U-18s with grown ups, but they never really got started.

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Yes.
They wanted league one players and offered decent money (better than us) but certain players saw the future in League Two.

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Surprised at that.
Whilst a 12 point deduction is 4 games minimum to get back to 0, I’d have still thought with a decent enough squad a mid table finish even flirting with play offs wouldn’t be out of reach.

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looks like we may get an answer on how to end this season today
https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-...season-sources

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Don't hold your breath.

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Shame they can’t get facts right - Coventry have 10 games left not 12.
Journalism at it’s finest.

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think the only teams wh will vote for a return are those who have a realistic chance for the play offs or promotion. anyone in or around the relegation zone will votr the season to finish and be no relagation or promotion.

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Also remember the time they had to construct a squad. Very little. All of their targets - Keith and Ficker had their list - had taken up other offers by the time Bolton knew their fate.

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Great point. That was the key.

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According to a report in the Guardian the premiership,s TV deal is worth £2.65 billion of which only 3.4% is given to the entire EFL and the same to grassroots and community,s and the EFL is grovelling and nodding to them it makes you sick I question myself now is football worth bothering about.

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i,m slowly getting that way myself. had reached the point last season where if stanley were away and my lad wasn,t coming up to stockport i just gave it a miss. the last couple of months has certainly not got me excited about the return of football as i thought it would. daily updates from some club or player about its return to action when businesses are closed down and we are in a type of house arrest has left a dirty taste in my mouth.

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Swindon Town saying after league 2 finished the season that starting the next one will be a far more difficult decision, without financial aid from somewhere having had discussions with fellow chairman fears we could lose 30 to 40% of clubs at lower level.

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Mixed messages all over the place. Mansfield for instance sorted their retained list and have kept every player they had one year options upon.

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Probably can't shed bad habits and still gambling with little or no budget or the owners pockets.

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Nigel Clough apparently being replaced at Burton Albion due to financial uncertainty.

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eventually we will find out how much wolf crying and how much truth there is from statements from clubs about their finances.

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I very much doubt that given the recent appointment of Dave Sharpe as Director of Football. He ran a very tight ship at Wigan.

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Latest idea from the EFL for next season?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52738597

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Salary cap not a bad idea not sure about 20 man squads how do you cope with injuries and suspensions?

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Agree with you on that Andy, would you gamble on 2 keepers or take up 1 of the 2 spots outside match day 18 with one.
Interesting it mentions 8 home grown academy players within that.
Savin, Perritt, Sykes, Mohammed, Williams, Ogle, Gilboy, Martin have all had 1st team exposure of some sort; although does it really imply only a further 12 players are permitted?!?

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Yes it doesn't make it clear is it a 20 or 28 man squad if it's only 12 a lot of players out of work by the way don't think Gilboy came through our academy.

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Stand corrected Gilboy did.

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Agreed not clear at all. Alex O’Neill another one, although Andy Scott came in and signed pro contract so he wouldn’t count which is a shame.

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Massive jump up from current rule of having 1 in match day 18.

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Scott still under contract I believe, problem with everyone having small squads match day 18,s would become predictable.

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Yeah he’s still contracted for another year until 2021 - problem is though he wouldn’t count as an academy player.

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Just done a bit of reckoning up counting the 8 you mentioned plus who I think are in contract we have 19 plus excersise Hughes option that me thinks is 20 if that becomes a rule next season that's our squad sorted.

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I’m fairly confident this is situation at moment ....

Under Contract - Savin, Sykes, Ogle,LKS, Finley, Pritchard, McConville, Bishop, Charles, Scott
Club has option - Edwards, Johnson, Hughes, Maguire, Carvalho, Barclay, Mohammed, Doyle
Out of Contract - Evtimov, Clark, Zanzala, ZFA, Sousa, Conneely, Watson, Rodgers


Unsure about youth players but imagine apart from ones above all expire this summer.
Perritt, Williams, Bolton, Martin, O’Neill, Gilboy

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I would say get promoted, as Bournemouth did ;)

I read it - not saying it is correct - as a 20 man squad, 12+8 :)

:) :) :)

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We've got options on everybody Clicker and Seamus

No idea where this "home grown" rule come from!!

The "home grown" EFL uses is any player from any English pro club qualifies;

Colby is fine he came through Notts system; Joe B is fine via AFC W

Fairly sure that's the plan going forward; but "our developed" players will become vital in the future.

also counts if you sell them; eg Connor M

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Sorry ?
Did you miss out the word except ?
No one year options for Clark and Conneely.
The only option you have is to make an offer that is acceptable to the lads.

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Sir;

How does anybody know other than JC that this isn't happening?

Also very difficult to offer anybody anything ( other than the lads already with contacts past June 30th) when we don't know, central funding, cup prize funds and most importantly when we can start generating income from crowds

Yes missed the word except; please accept my apologies.

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Thanks Mr.T what I stated in earlier posts ain,t rocket science whatever business you are in with no charted further income staff unfortunately are let go in East lancs alone home of aircraft industry lots of well paid jobs are going fact but back to football clubs need a decision soon to plan as best they can in very uncharted difficult times.

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[QUOTE=andyd football clubs need a decision soon to plan as best they can in very uncharted difficult times.[/QUOTE]

fixtures would normally be out in about 4 weeks time. is that going to be put back. they have a lot of work to do in sorting out next season from its starting date with fans. the only light is that a lot has changed in the last 3 months so a lot can change in the next 3.

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Will we get the necessary 12 clubs voting to end this season tomorrow, I think it would be madness not to end the season tomorrow?