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If Butcher and Rodgers available this would be my preferred line up:-
Baxter.
Nottingham. Hughes. Burgess.
Rodgers. McConville. Conneelly. Butcher. Pritchard.
Bishop. Charles.

Subs :- Savin. Sama. Barclay. Sykes. Uwakawe. Fenlon. Cassidy.

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Ross for Harvey as far as I can see :)

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Let us hope that Ross plays in the correct position......

:)

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Same starting 11 Fenlon for Cassidy on bench.

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KC Stadium looks stunning on ifollow.

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is it boothferry park with a different name or a new stadium?

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Its a new stadium

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cheers thats how much notice i take of other clubs lol it does look great though.

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I'm worried about this game,,,or more specifically, the result.

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This is a proper test.
Hope we pass.
Quality ground - we like surfaces we can knock it around on.
Fingers crossed.

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How we going-improvement on the last 2 games? Stats look even enough.

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*(&%^$&^$#$*(*&%&%#^&^*()*^$^#*&(*^(*&^$&*. ******

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It just had to be WILKS!:mad:

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Not particularly impressed if Hull are one of the better sides then this is a poor league 1 we are nowhere near our flowing game their keeper has had it easy got to step up a gear second half.

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Hull deserve to be in front half time. More quality in and around the box. Stronger midfield. We're going to have to play a lot better to get anything out of this game. Come On Stanley!

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*(&^%$^&%%&$%@^^%&^$&^!!!!!! x2

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oh crap

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Hull find space and move the ball a lot quicker than us. A lot to do now.

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2-0 we aren't at the races front 2 having a mare shape gone subs needed

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Outclassed.......2 down...

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Get Gary on!

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Two nil on 55 minutes. White assisted by WILKS.:eek:

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man off thats it knackered

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Oh dear

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Coley furious why blatant Penalty second yellow off, we are way second best

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OH &^%$%%^^&%...everytime I leave the room they score. :(

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Terrible performance, totally outclassed by Hull. Emerdale will be more entertaining.

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Alas we have to play em again next match

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Oh deary deary me, think that's definitely game over - let's hope we can get our own back on them next week

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THREE now! Burgess OFF and will get banned!:eek:

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Next Tuesday KJ, please don't leave the room - get a commode if necessary :)

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Bloody hell, a triple substitution?!? Never been known . . . . .

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WARNING-I'm leaving the room.

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2nd half we been very poor, why put subs on when the game is over? beats me.

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Saves a post match warm down so they can get on the bus a bit quicker?;)

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Dam, got my prediction right (well nearly).

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Poor all game to me Cashy outplayed in midfield Richie Smallwood had all the room in the world to pull Hull,s strings what as happened with our pressing game, Bishop and Charles waiting for passes that never came they need to get involved worry tonight though unlike Saturday we created nothing big wake up call we were totally outplayed, no striker on the bench is a poor sign.

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the poorest sign of all to me is NOT putting subs on until the game is lost was after it was 3-0 j.c. has been a manager long enough to have learnt that :mad:first sub was in the 77th min.

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Another grumpy moan from my lethargic lockdown lounge.. very short !.

I certainly can't see this squad getting anywhere if, after JC's in depth training, tonight's performance is going to be the norm !.
Plus, after seeing and appreciating the gap between themselves and Hull City, the team must be of the same opinion.

Moan over... back to Eastenders !..

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50 points is the target so 6 wins needed if John manages to bring anyone in if it's upfront pace would be beneficial and we definitely need a playmaker in the centre McConville not the answer in their but I,m sure we will win a few more and hopefully cement our place in league 1 for next season when hopefully we can all be back watching.

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As Coleman says don't get carried away by winning runs or defeats, I for one don't.

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In some respects Im pleased. Time for reality to kick in. Hull are a far better side / squad and so they should be.
Stop looking up start looking over our shoulders and be honest.
If we finish two or three places above relegation slots we’ve done brilliant.

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Who do you really support in an earlier reply I said Hull weren't that good I stick by that we made them look better than they were, no excuses we were poor but we have done amazingly well a big squad on the money they are on is beyond us but hopefully Tuesday night Stanley rub your comments were they belong.

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think this season has now reached a crossroads. can go either way now. just hope the stanley inverted snobbery does not come to the fore where we should be just happy to be playing teams like hull city and should not be beating em anyway looking at the budgets available. remember it was only a couple of weeks back we were working out how we could catch them and lincoln in the forthcoming weeks.

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Last 2 games we have been beaten by our own tactics, we have been out pressed when that happens our midfield looks to play backwards nothing wrong with that if you retain possession, but the back 3 more often than not just pumped the ball upfield to nobody in particular, Bishop can win headers but Charles prefers the ball to run at. Think Rodgers has been a miss he was playing well defensively and overlapping well. A break Saturday could be a blessing especially if we manage to bring in a couple of new faces.

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Good point about Rodgers, i also thought he's been missed and we seem to have lost our shape since he's been left out.

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didn,t think rodgers played particularly that well but we had a much better shape and looked more of a team with him there. have we gone to create a problem of playing the best 11 and not the best team.

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He wasn't left out he is injured.

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Think he goes under the radar the defencive headers he got in in his last few games have been a joy plus he has had to mark some decent opponents.

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Yes you're right about his opponents.....much better than League 2. Also because his background is defensive....he is a better defender and does the simple stuff going forward. Definately a miss. We have better balance with him in. This may be controvertial...but I also like it when Charles plays wing-back on the right, usually to fill in......he's the opposite of Rogers......naturally better going forward...plays excellent crosses into the box, has pace...but not as good defensively......if he could work on this side of his game...I would play jhim there. Of course we just need to stumble accross a 20 goal striker in the window that we can afford......we would only need one player then ...never mind the 2 or 3 that Coley is after.......::D.....anythoughts Stanley Josh? or Twenty Eight?

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Strikers not scoring enough goals has been magnified by our Midfielders not contributing as much as usual. Would normally expect Pritchard and Sean to be hitting close to 10-15 between them for the season.
A 20 goal a season striker, gold dust across the world for football clubs!
I'd rather have a non league prospect on a permanent deal than a Premier League academy loan.
Harvey is hit and miss but has improved over the last few games he was involved with... sometimes he does the simple stuff poorly but the hard stuff well.
I'm not a fan of the system we are playing with the 5-3-2 , I love a good old 4-4-2 and it has served us well over the years.
To give you an idea of our creativity, Cameron Burgess has made over 900 passes but only just over 500 have been succesful. (under 60%)
I'd much rather see a 4 man midfield of McConville, Conneely, Butcher and Pritchard, with Sean and Pritch as widemen.
I also don't have 4 promotions and over 20 years of management to my name.

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Good point on systems played 3 at the back is good when you have possession and retain the ball if committed forward a decent counter attacking side can expose you, wing backs have to be fit up and down Rodgers and Pritchard have done this. Playing 4-4-2 you need a couple of top midfielder,s Conneelly fits the present system better to me than 4-4-2 don't think Coley will panic much and hope to get a fully fit squad and a couple of decent incoming, I,m with you on a permanent striker rather than loaned but they are gold dust as you say.

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Impossible question Crown Grounder.
Budget for fee and wages ?
That will narrow it.
I'm sure Coley has his little list.

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No need to panic, we have some of the best players we have ever had as well as good young prospects getting opportunities.
A friend mentioned to me recently that we never seemed to change systems or formations against the better teams. I remembered what my old football coach told me when I was at Norwich;
"We don't want to be a team trying to match other teams. We want to be the team that other teams try and adapt to and match"

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Wonder if we could revive Will Grigg,s carreer on less money of course gone horribly wrong at Sunderland but so have a lot of others thier.

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not a bad un but doubt if we could revive his wages.

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Coming back to systems we have played 18 of the 23 teams in league 1 games this season and only 2 employed 4-4-2 Swindon who we beat 3-0 and Blackpool which ended up 0-0 seems to be a bit out of fashion, plus these days most keepers play like a sweeper using thier feet a lot more becoming the extra defender.

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Gentlemen,
There seems little point dreaming of signing a proven striker if he's going to get the same service our existing 2 boys receive... which is pretty much nothing!
I doubt even Harry Kane would hit the net playing for Stanley.
Eight goals conceded & zero scored in the last 3 games sums it up.
I'm no expert, nor do I possess any coaching badges, but I can see the difference between good & bad.
Every player has his own role to perform in the team.
The keeper's job is to stop goals, the strikers to bang them in the other end.
The crucial element that prevents the former and enables the latter, is the midfield.
In simple terms, their role is to a: stop the opposition reaching our last line of defence,
b: create opportunities for the strikers to score.
Is our current 5 man midfield achieving either of these essential roles?
andyd referred earlier to the midfield's tendency to pass back & this is where I feel our problem lies.
Teams have learned that if they press us, we will PANIC!.
It's unfair to blame the back 3 for long balls to nobody when they're put under intense pressure by our own players.
If all we can expect of our 5-man midfield is negative backward play then the future looks bleak.
Personally, I hate the back-pass. It's the last resort of the fearful. The panic stricken act of the artless.
You see it all the time from the also-rans in the PL. The constant sideways passing between midfield & defence, followed by the back-pass to the goalie at the slightest hint of an opponent coming within 5 yards.
It often goes on for minutes on end - Yawn! & it's killing the game.
The best form of defence - ATTACK! becomes sacrificed to the dogma that possession is everything.
Successful teams are those with a positive attitude. Who's players first & only thought is forward movement - and the quicker the better.
Please, let's not be too quick to blame our 2 forwards for our lack of goals, both of whom are more than capable.
Neither should we criticise our back 3, or keeper, for the rising goals against tally.
We don't need a million pound striker or a flat-back four. Ye Gods! Just give me a midfield playmaker.
Someone who's got an eye for the main chance & can place an accurate forward pass to Prince Charles or a cross onto the noggin of the Bishop of Wham.
Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?

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personally i think mlord has got it in one. our 2 strikers have had very little this season for some reason and it dont take a degree to see it.

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I think this goes back to the system we are playing.
We have creative midfielders in McConville & Pritchard and to some extent Uwakwe, Sangare (injure) and Roberts.

Personally I’d play a flat 4 at the back, Seamus and Butcher as holding midfielders with a 3 behind Colby of Sean and Dion out wide and Pritchard in the middle.

Baxter
Rodgers Sykes Hughes Burgess
Butcher Conneely
Charles Pritchard McConville
Bishop

Players can be interchanged in the sense that Nottingham could replace either Rodgers or Sykes, Uwakwe or Gary Roberts could fill in any of the 3 A/M rolls, Russell for Butcher, Conneely or Pritchard, Barclay for either holding midfielder etc etc.

So in that sense we really need cover at LB (possibly looking ahead when Hughes not a starter slot Cam into CB) and a striker.

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playing system or not sean and joe have not been doing it of late for whatever reason imho.

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Cashy !

1. Very little ball-winning or meaningful passing !.
2. Little or no effort to play attacking football alongside the forwards.
3. No on-field leadership apparent from the one chosen to provide this !.
4. Carrying little no threat to their opponents.

A brief pen-picture of Stanley's current midfield who are guiding the team to
a situation of wondering where the next point is going to come from !.

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have to slightly disagree with that Yonmon Sir but you make good points.
Excluding whoever plays at RWB as they have been more ‘defensive minded’ than our LWB.

Pritchard Conneely Butcher McConville.
Clark Conneely Finley McConville.

In my view I’d rather have the top 4 than bottom 4.
Does that mean the system isn’t working. On viewing I’d say maybe not but this is a system that has got us 12 points from safety with 3 games in hand and 3 points from play offs with 4 games in hand.

Much rather be in our position than most of the league.
Ipswich 8th and fans not happy. Burton bottom and fans not happy.

We are doing alright. Also, all 10 of our usual outfield starters are our players. Not loans.

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Heck we lose a couple and suddenly we are relegation material, get a grip I think we have looked a bit tired last 2 games maybe because the same players have played a lot of back to back games, Coley doesn't use subs regularly. But whose good enough to force a way into a losing side, keeper position is a positive, defence Sama undecided looks ok in patches but then becomes lack luster, Maguire looks out of favour Zehn, Harry, Jack the younger ones aren't ready. Midfield Roberts has the experience and class but looks short of match time Russell too inconsistent Uwakawe has it in the locker but hit and miss young Fenlon looks a talent and has pace maybe time to give him a start, upfront no options Mansell gone on loan others young untried so our squad of " 33 " isn't really that big need injured back and 2-3 new signings to get back with finishing top half that would be a marvelous season.

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Josh !.. Merely stating my opinion based on what I am currently seeing laid out before me, particularly in the last three games, which is that our weaknesses in midfield allow opposing midfielders to easily overwhelm their efforts and by their penchant for constantly passing back to an already overworked back three or four create persistent and unwanted pressure on these defenders causing them to make hurried and non-productive clearances.

Hopefully, players returning from injury ,the signing of new players and a diminishing of the current emergency will reverse this worrying status quo,
and in turn diminish this state of high-anxiiety which is in danger of turning me into the grumpy old man of our Forum !.

ON STANLEY !.. ON TO GREATER THINGS !

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[QUOTE=Lord Stiffupperlip;1249411][
It's unfair to blame the back 3 for long balls to nobody when they're put under intense pressure by our own players.

You see it all the time from the also-rans in the PL. The constant sideways passing between midfield & defence, followed by the back-pass to the goalie at the slightest hint of an opponent coming within 5 yards.
It often goes on for minutes on end - Yawn! & it's killing the game.

do not forget the other one. the team who likes to play from the back. this usually means the keeper plays it short to a defender who then pass it around the back, goes to a mid fielder who then passes it back to a defender who lumps it over the half way line. the keeper could have done this in the first place without all this pointless passing with the defence then being higher up the pitch.

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[QUOTE=andyd;1249417], defence Sama undecided looks ok in patches but then becomes lack luster,

first time i saw him i was really impressed but has certainly gone off the boil. another player who seems to be wasted is michael nottingham. someone who has played the majority of his career as a right sided defender usually in a back 4 who now seems to be playing more centrally. with this you lose the attacking side of his game. then we have sean. for me he just aint the same player yet as he was before his injury.

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doubt if anyone thinks we are relegation material, what happening at the moment is just common sense to many fans we aint managers but we aint blind either.

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Baxter.
Sykes. Hughes. Burgess.
Nottingham. Butcher. Conneelly. McConville. Pritchard.
Charles. Bishop.