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VALAIRIAN 21-11-2021 08:55
Re: Sheffield Wednesday home game.
 
Not for the first time this season, I thought the officials were poor - for both sides!!

The treatment of our players in the box and going forwards was terrible, but then I have just finished watching Burnley -v- Palace and Wood was wrestled to the floor and did not even get the decision????

If the so called best/better cannot get it right, what chance have we?????

:)

VALAIRIAN 21-11-2021 08:59
Re: Sheffield Wednesday home game.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Stiffupperlip (Post 1259780)
Dear Mr Coleman,
I'm no expert on the technicalities of football coaching but I do know, to quote Albert Einstein, that -
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
That if you're prepared to play with only one forward up-front at home, you've already lost credibility as an attacking force.
That if you retreat into your own half as soon as opponents win back the ball, you allow them to attack in force.
That if you fail to press opponents at every opportunity, they will eventually overcome you.
That games are won & lost by what players do without the ball, as much as what they do with it.
After our recent results, perhaps it's time to get back to basics.
Some very, very good points your Lordship :)

:) :)

monkey hanger 21-11-2021 10:08
Re: Sheffield Wednesday home game.
 
did not see the game but no side can give the opposition at home a 3 goal start and really expect to get something out of it. at the end of the day it sounded as if they nearly did but nearly never won anything.

Shurm 21-11-2021 11:02
Re: Sheffield Wednesday home game.
 
I was walking to the ground with some Sheffield fans and they said if you score first you won’t lose we haven’t come back from being behind for something like 5 years !! Anyway we didn’t and the rest is history.

andyd 21-11-2021 12:52
Re: Sheffield Wednesday home game.
 
Having watched the goals again and again I don't usually have a go at official,s has its the same for both sides and even,s up over a season but no way on earth should their first goal have stood Trafford clearly wrestled to the ground nine out of ten would have awarded a free kick very surprised John hasn't had a whinge.

Twenty Eight 21-11-2021 16:34
Re: Sheffield Wednesday home game.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andyd (Post 1259770)
Mumbongo,s first touch will improve with game time Butcher on the commentary mentioned Mumbongo has all the touches, strength and pace and a fierce shot on him in training has played seven premiership games for Burnley nothing to lose a must start for me at Burton Tuesday with the instructions to run and harrass their defenders it's called defending from the front.
Seven games .... but how many minutes on the pitch Andy ?

MikeA 21-11-2021 17:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1259798)
Seven games .... but how many minutes on the pitch Andy ?
Ignoring added minutes, 24 in the Cup, including an injury-time assist at MKD, and 36 in the League.

Exile on Spencer St 21-11-2021 18:04
Re: Sheffield Wednesday home game.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1259798)
Seven games .... but how many minutes on the pitch Andy ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeA (Post 1259801)
Ignoring added minutes, 24 in the Cup, including an injury-time assist at MKD, and 36 in the League.
The relevant question isn’t minutes, it’s what’s the alternative?

Charles has committed hari-kiri, Bishop banned for one more game. Hardy, who isn’t exactly living up to his name, has had 8+ minutes of ‘men’s’ football. And, however impressive are the youth squad strikers, neither are yet ready.
At least Mansell is doing his best, but is barely out of the ‘reserves’, and he and Mumbongo and Malcolm look keen and willing to chase.
In other words, there is no obvious alternative.

Btw, talking of willing, one thing that’s been really bugging me from the Wednesday game was watching O’Sullivan in the warm up. He could barely be bothered to lift his feet, slacking at the back of his line chatting away to McConville. If he’s not fit and frightened of getting a strain what’s he doing on the pitch! If he’s just lazy, which it certainly looked like, what’s he doing on the pitch?

andyd 22-11-2021 07:45
Re: Sheffield Wednesday home game.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St (Post 1259805)
The relevant question isn’t minutes, it’s what’s the alternative?

Charles has committed hari-kiri, Bishop banned for one more game. Hardy, who isn’t exactly living up to his name, has had 8+ minutes of ‘men’s’ football. And, however impressive are the youth squad strikers, neither are yet ready.
At least Mansell is doing his best, but is barely out of the ‘reserves’, and he and Mumbongo and Malcolm look keen and willing to chase.
In other words, there is no obvious alternative.

Btw, talking of willing, one thing that’s been really bugging me from the Wednesday game was watching O’Sullivan in the warm up. He could barely be bothered to lift his feet, slacking at the back of his line chatting away to McConville. If he’s not fit and frightened of getting a strain what’s he doing on the pitch! If he’s just lazy, which it certainly looked like, what’s he doing on the pitch?
O, Sullivan hasn't been anywhere near the player we first saw on loan all those years ago IMHO in reply to Twenty eight who would you play up front has exile says not much of a choice and playing hopefully will improve the lad otherwise just send them back all the point of loanees is to play them and bring them on its irrelevant how many actual minutes on the pitch for Burnley that's nit picking

cashman 22-11-2021 11:31
Re: Sheffield Wednesday home game.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Stiffupperlip (Post 1259780)
Dear Mr Coleman,
I'm no expert on the technicalities of football coaching but I do know, to quote Albert Einstein, that -
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
That if you're prepared to play with only one forward up-front at home, you've already lost credibility as an attacking force.
That if you retreat into your own half as soon as opponents win back the ball, you allow them to attack in force.
That if you fail to press opponents at every opportunity, they will eventually overcome you.
That games are won & lost by what players do without the ball, as much as what they do with it.
After our recent results, perhaps it's time to get back to basics.
I know sod all about coaching but by anybodys common sense 1 up front IS NOT attacking football.also if a defender gives away a goal then how the hell is it easyier to get it back?

Twenty Eight 22-11-2021 14:44
Re: Sheffield Wednesday home game.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andyd (Post 1259811)
O, Sullivan hasn't been anywhere near the player we first saw on loan all those years ago IMHO in reply to Twenty eight who would you play up front has exile says not much of a choice and playing hopefully will improve the lad otherwise just send them back all the point of loanees is to play them and bring them on its irrelevant how many actual minutes on the pitch for Burnley that's nit picking
You're comment not misleading then ?
He hasn't played 7 times.
For the avoidance of doubt he should start.

My comment was to protect the lad from the assumption he's seen regular action at Premier level which is nonsense.

Crown Grounder 22-11-2021 14:54
Re: Sheffield Wednesday home game.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1259820)
I know sod all about coaching but by anybodys common sense 1 up front IS NOT attacking football.also if a defender gives away a goal then how the hell is it easyier to get it back?
Cashy, in his interview pre Burton....Coley said he started with 2 up front against Sheff Wed. Mansell and Pell. He said it wasn't ideal and that Pell wasn't a striker, but he had agreed to play as one in the game.

andyd 22-11-2021 15:23
Re: Sheffield Wednesday home game.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crown Grounder (Post 1259833)
Cashy, in his interview pre Burton....Coley said he started with 2 up front against Sheff Wed. Mansell and Pell. He said it wasn't ideal and that Pell wasn't a striker, but he had agreed to play as one in the game.
Why play Pell when there are Mumbongo and Malcolm on the bench and Hardy who has yet to see any appearance,s in the 18 to me that says do you really rate them are they doing enough in training strange one.

VALAIRIAN 22-11-2021 15:39
Re: Sheffield Wednesday home game.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crown Grounder (Post 1259833)
Cashy, in his interview pre Burton....Coley said he started with 2 up front against Sheff Wed. Mansell and Pell. He said it wasn't ideal and that Pell wasn't a striker, but he had agreed to play as one in the game.
I have heard the interview and hear what Coley says, but Pell is not a striker, whereas Joel and Jovan are :)

I have been saying for a while now, square pegs and triangular holes.......

Coley is shoehorning players in - at a cost.

Appreciate fully the issues around Dion, Colby, Joe Etc. but this is a separate issue :)

:) :) :)

VALAIRIAN 22-11-2021 15:39
Re: Sheffield Wednesday home game.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andyd (Post 1259836)
Why play Pell when there are Mumbongo and Malcolm on the bench and Hardy who has yet to see any appearance,s in the 18 to me that says do you really rate them are they doing enough in training strange one.
Agree about the first bit Andy :)


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