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Dav1d 20-12-2022 10:14
V hbc
 
I don't know if many on here have Twitter and follow andy holt, our chairman, the person putting his own money into Accrington Stanley and the community. Of which he does not get it back. Spent on the pitch, coleys bar, ASFC community hub which does great things for kids. Changing rooms, pays bills on time. Yet it seem HBC have been against him the full time. A noise abatement order has been put on coleys meaning it can make no noise after few residents complaint and a guy with a noise monitor has been outside coleys since March. Instead of working with Andy. So he's had to cancel the bands, functions, community events all gone with a lost to the club. They had people complain when they held the fireworks and fun fair event, they had to change the colour red on the out building of the community hub as resident complain about the colour

Kings George's the training pitch, Andy had purchased land in read and got planning permission of ribble valley for the training ground. As he was getting nowhere with hyndburn, but they wanted it to be kept in Accrington so suggested king George's which is a field in trust so used be public to dog walks, play on, cars have been on there and everything. So in order to become a training pitch they needed it to be changed which HBC agreed too. So Andy spent £70k to fence around it which locals now Chuck dog poo over and put bags on the fence. And £550k for 100 year lease of the fields as the training ground, the council decided not to take king George's of the field of trust. As can't have a training ground and the public use to for dog walks and everything else. While this was going on the planning in read lapsed and the council is looking at other uses for the fields in read. So he's £500k in of his own money and nothing has come of it.

HBC will not be happy until Stanley is closed down like the rest of the town, run down, empty, lifeless.

I think Andy holy will leave I really do. I wouldn't
Blame him at all. I really wouldn't. When he's trying his best, putting money in and not getting the support to help the community and Accrington look at how many away fans used coleys and said how good it was, and great away day. The money being spent on wider town from the away fans and people coming to an event at coleys. Now that all has to stop.

Sign this petition please

https://www.change.org/p/accrington-...ncil-abatement

We shook buckets up and down the country, walked miles, put blood, sweat and tears, lighted candles outside the club. It will not die.

cashman 20-12-2022 12:33
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signed it, 3 STUPID PEOPLE have complained.

duckworth 20-12-2022 13:02
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Signed it----It's ridiculous that a few petty people can force the issue,after everything Andy Holt has done for the town.

andyd 20-12-2022 13:24
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Signed

Exile on Spencer St 20-12-2022 14:13
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Signed, and passed on.

VALAIRIAN 20-12-2022 15:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dav1d (Post 1269984)
I don't know if many on here have Twitter and follow andy holt, our chairman, the person putting his own money into Accrington Stanley and the community. Of which he does not get it back. Spent on the pitch, coleys bar, ASFC community hub which does great things for kids. Changing rooms, pays bills on time. Yet it seem HBC have been against him the full time. A noise abatement order has been put on coleys meaning it can make no noise after few residents complaint and a guy with a noise monitor has been outside coleys since March. Instead of working with Andy. So he's had to cancel the bands, functions, community events all gone with a lost to the club. They had people complain when they held the fireworks and fun fair event, they had to change the colour red on the out building of the community hub as resident complain about the colour

Kings George's the training pitch, Andy had purchased land in read and got planning permission of ribble valley for the training ground. As he was getting nowhere with hyndburn, but they wanted it to be kept in Accrington so suggested king George's which is a field in trust so used be public to dog walks, play on, cars have been on there and everything. So in order to become a training pitch they needed it to be changed which HBC agreed too. So Andy spent £70k to fence around it which locals now Chuck dog poo over and put bags on the fence. And £550k for 100 year lease of the fields as the training ground, the council decided not to take king George's of the field of trust. As can't have a training ground and the public use to for dog walks and everything else. While this was going on the planning in read lapsed and the council is looking at other uses for the fields in read. So he's £500k in of his own money and nothing has come of it.

HBC will not be happy until Stanley is closed down like the rest of the town, run down, empty, lifeless.

I think Andy holy will leave I really do. I wouldn't
Blame him at all. I really wouldn't. When he's trying his best, putting money in and not getting the support to help the community and Accrington look at how many away fans used coleys and said how good it was, and great away day. The money being spent on wider town from the away fans and people coming to an event at coleys. Now that all has to stop.

Sign this petition please

https://www.change.org/p/accrington-...ncil-abatement

We shook buckets up and down the country, walked miles, put blood, sweat and tears, lighted candles outside the club. It will not die.
Nothing you have stated on here surprises me....

I know first-hand the issues Andy faces and am surprised it has taken this long..........

VALAIRIAN 20-12-2022 16:02
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Signed also :)

anmc 20-12-2022 16:43
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Signed

choirboy 20-12-2022 17:35
HBC action!!!!!!
 
Signed, which is highly unusual for me!
However, this is simply the most ridiculous decision that HBC has ever made IMHO!:dflam:
Accrington Stanley FC is, by a country mile, the biggest asset in our Borough!
Two issues are raised here:
1) The selfish, petty mindedness of a handful of people who have made complaints. People know what to expect if you live near a football ground!
2) The ridiculous action taken by HBC. The Council is weak and by all accounts includes a number of councillors intent on infighting and in making personal attacks on their fellow members! They do seem to be unfit to do the job!:stop:

Having said all that……compromise has to be the way forward.
For example, there was a complaint to Stanley about the exterior colour of some of the facilities…….Andy Holt and the club compromised and made some changes! Problem solved.
If the music is considered to be really too loud, then surely slightly toning it down is the way forward. Being an old geezer, I am not keen on very loud disco stuff but to place a total ban like this is simply not correct!
Andy Holt has brought real pride back to our town and if HBC is prepared to risk losing what has been achieved since 2008 then they should be held to account!
HBC ………..Not fit for purpose IMHO!:bangh8:

Shurm 20-12-2022 19:30
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No help from HBC they gave him Highams !!

cashman 20-12-2022 19:45
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agree100 per cent with choirboy.

Watchdog 21-12-2022 07:07
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Who are these people at
HBC... can the ones being
un-helpful be named.

cashman 21-12-2022 08:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchdog (Post 1270006)
Who are these people at
HBC... can the ones being
un-helpful be named.
that would be a good idea.

Exile on Spencer St 21-12-2022 11:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchdog (Post 1270006)
Who are these people at HBC... can the ones being un-helpful be named.
Steady on, let’s keep some perspective before we erect the guillotine.

The Council have to respond to complaints about noise, it often involves months of the complainants recording incidences, times and duration etc.
Then an Environmental Health officer will take a reading on a noise meter. Based on what is regarded as acceptable and unacceptable (from experience of other cases) then a decision has to be made as to whether, on balance, the noise equates to a nuisance.

Once that decision is made, I would have expected the officer to inform the club and to discuss with the club what could be done to mitigate the nuisance. But we don’t know if there has been any discussion with EH about what might be done to ‘insulate’ the noise.

One common issue is that bands who provide their own PA are notorious for turning their amps up to 11. It’s not difficult to imagine that any amplified sound inside Coleys would reverberate off all the hard surfaces, and easily pass through the metal skin of the roof. Venues that provide their own sound system can control sound levels, and sometimes have to.

If this noise abatement order has literally come out of the blue, with no previous discussions with the club, then the Council can rightly be criticised.
But the club needs to resolve this matter amicably with the Council officials.
I’m sure there’s a reasonable solution and would hope there are councillors who can ask their officers to find it.
So, if you live in Hyndburn, let your local councillor know your concerns, they’re easily enough found online these days and are all ‘named’.

Watchdog 21-12-2022 15:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St (Post 1270008)
Steady on, let’s keep some perspective before we erect the guillotine.

The Council have to respond to complaints about noise, it often involves months of the complainants recording incidences, times and duration etc.
Then an Environmental Health officer will take a reading on a noise meter. Based on what is regarded as acceptable and unacceptable (from experience of other cases) then a decision has to be made as to whether, on balance, the noise equates to a nuisance.

Once that decision is made, I would have expected the officer to inform the club and to discuss with the club what could be done to mitigate the nuisance. But we don’t know if there has been any discussion with EH about what might be done to ‘insulate’ the noise.

One common issue is that bands who provide their own PA are notorious for turning their amps up to 11. It’s not difficult to imagine that any amplified sound inside Coleys would reverberate off all the hard surfaces, and easily pass through the metal skin of the roof. Venues that provide their own sound system can control sound levels, and sometimes have to.

If this noise abatement order has literally come out of the blue, with no previous discussions with the club, then the Council can rightly be criticised.
But the club needs to resolve this matter amicably with the Council officials.
I’m sure there’s a reasonable solution and would hope there are councillors who can ask their officers to find it.
So, if you live in Hyndburn, let your local councillor know your concerns, they’re easily enough found online these days and are all ‘named’.
I am not suggesting for one minute the council should be hung out to dry and importantly, i don't reside in Accrington, i reside in Bury so what happens in Accrington with regards the council should really be of no business' of mine other than i support the Accrington Football Team and also my fellow supporters. With not living locally, i couldn't grasp who and what was the obstacle so thought i would ask, hence me asking the question within my post.

Exile on Spencer St 21-12-2022 20:28
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Sorry, Watchdog, my initial comment was meant to be partly tongue in cheek not, as it may read, foot in mouth! ;)

Chewbacca 22-12-2022 19:21
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I serious doubt KG V playing fields were bought, the value was agreed, and would be subject to gaining planning permission and removal of the land charge or under-enforcement of the charge. The charge is held by Fields in Trust, not the Council, and therefore out of HBC's hands.

I'm positive that HBC would have wanted to sell the land, and probably thought the use complied with the charge at the outset.

The Council has duties to deal with noise nuisances and shouldn't apply different rules to rich people like Holt or the Issa brothers, but taking an informal case work approach to come to a solution is always preferred rather than going straight to enforcement, however we only hear one side.

Bob Dobson 22-12-2022 20:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chewbacca (Post 1270011)
I serious doubt KG V playing fields were bought, the value was agreed, and would be subject to gaining planning permission and removal of the land charge or under-enforcement of the charge. The charge is held by Fields in Trust, not the Council, and therefore out of HBC's hands.

I'm positive that HBC would have wanted to sell the land, and probably thought the use complied with the charge at the outset.

The Council has duties to deal with noise nuisances and shouldn't apply different rules to rich people like Holt or the Issa brothers, but taking an informal case work approach to come to a solution is always preferred rather than going straight to enforcement, however we only hear one side.
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I find it offensive that Chewbacca rerers to the Stanley owner as 'Holt'

NORTHERNSOUL 23-12-2022 04:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchdog (Post 1270006)
Who are these people at
HBC... can the ones being
un-helpful be named.
The ones who should be named are the people who complained then maybe they.ll think twice about doing so in future when 3000 people know exactly who they are,

cashman 23-12-2022 10:50
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I agree with watchdog, they SHOULD be named,they are supporting 3 complainents is that not perspective ?

Exile on Spencer St 29-12-2022 09:04
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Didn’t see this at the time….

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-64039198

Does it suggest this ban came out of the blue?
Was noise insulation part of the building regs and planning approvals for Coleys?

P.S. can someone at the club send the BBC a new photo of the ground?


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