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Watchdog 23-02-2023 06:43

Bolton Post Match
 
Well, at least we can now concentrate keeping in EFL League 1 and, avoid paying £16 for a pie and a pint when down Sarf.

Chimer 23-02-2023 07:01

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To travel hopefully is better than to arrive …

yonmon 23-02-2023 07:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chimer (Post 1271217)
To travel hopefully is better than to arrive …

Amen !! ..

Exile on Spencer St 23-02-2023 08:42

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Difficult tie made more difficult when 10 men had to play against 12 for 70 minutes.
But all ten, plus the four (too-late) subs, gave their all.
Thought some the Bolton fans were scummy - just hope it’s not Stanley that gets fined for smoke bombs, and pitch invasions.

choirboy 23-02-2023 09:04

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Have you seen the latest film release?:lamer:
Could have been nominated for a BAFTA award?


“WIPE OUT!” Starring…..James Trafford!:s_fart:

Firstly, I hope that Liam Coyle is ok and makes a speedy recovery from the assault that he suffered during the match.

Secondly, the referee was wrong to only give Trafford a Yellow Card. I have never seen a more blatant Red Card situation before!

The detail;
a) Coyle was always going to be first to the high ball.
b) Coyle had a run and leap to get high above the more static Bolton defender.
c) Trafford accelerated towards the incident and clearly had time to assess and decide what he was going to do.
d) Trafford decided to ‘Wipe Out’ both players knowing that he was committing a professional foul.
e) The Bolton defender hardly got off the ground so Trafford’s challenge did not pose too much danger to him.
f) Coyle was high above the ground having made a great leap in trying to head the ball.
g) Trafford’s action caused Coyle to cartwheel and fall head and upper body towards the ground first.
h) Trafford’s action was endangering the safety of Liam Coyle and caused his injury.

The only option open for the referee should have been to have given Trafford a straight RED CARD!

I always stand behind the right hand side of the Clayton End goal in line with the six yard box. Trafford started his run right in front of me and I was seeing exactly the same view as he was. As soon as he started his acceleration, I said to myself, ‘Trafford is never going to get there!’
The referee simply got it wrong!


TRAFFORD SHOULD HAVE BEEN SENT OFF…..

Just to repeat….I hope that Coyle recovers well.

choirboy 23-02-2023 09:19

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Regarding the rest of the game…..
I thought the game was fairly even up to Sean Mac’s poor decision to make the tackle in their half. Some would say the red card was harsh and others that the red card was deserved. Nevertheless it was IMHO a poor piece of play by Sean. The Stanley ‘ten’ set up a defensive system which Bolton found very difficult to pierce. Once again Jensen was superb. All of our outfield players ran themselves into the ground!
The two Bolton goals had an inevitability about them but for the first goal ….was Longelo fouled by the Bolton scorer? For the second goal I think Jensen’s view was blocked by one of our defenders and he saw the ball too late.
Our players who stayed on the pitch tonight were magnificent as was the vocal and colorful support from the Stanley faithful.
Lots of Cup Finals to come in the remaining League matches so……
KEEP THE FAITH:theband:
ON STANLEY ON
:mosher::jimbo::jimbo::jimbo:

coley1957 23-02-2023 12:16

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What disappointed me most about the collision was Trafford’s undoubted attempt at persuading the referee to be more lenient with his inevitable decision. He knew what he had done and to buy himself more time he stayed down for a prolonged period of treatment. During this time, the referee had ample opportunity to confirm with his officials about what the punishment should be, however he held a yellow card in his hand for a long time until the keeper got to his feet. This was was a major decision that could well have influenced the game in our favour, as a red card would have meant them having to withdraw an outfield player. The added disappointment was seeing the “injured” Trafford racing the length of the pitch to join in the pile on for the second goal celebration. In spite of all this, the important factor is Liam’s health and I just hope he is back playing soon.

Exile on Spencer St 23-02-2023 12:25

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Nothing like sport to reveal the true character of a person.
Trafford has plummeted in my estimation after last night.

Lord Stiffupperlip 23-02-2023 13:10

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I imagine the cup sponsors & EFL are breathing a huge sigh of relief after Bolton's victory last night.
After all, the last thing they want turning up at their flagship final is a minnow like Accrington Stanley.
No! Two big city clubs, both with a substantial fanbase, will do nicely thankyou.
In fact, I'd bet they'd love to see nothing better than Stanley back in non-league, where they think we belong.
After recent events, you could be forgiven for thinking they're determined to make it happen.
The ludicrous number of yellow & red cards we've received, often for trivial offences; whilst opponents get away scot-free.
The retrospective trawling for offences of any kind, so they can issue yet another fine against the club.
Anyone with a cynical mind would be certain there's a conspiracy theory at work here.
Our dream of a trip to Wembley is over. No one can deny the best team won, so good luck to Bolton against Plymouth.
We have a bigger battle ahead - to make sure we stay in L1 and cock-a-snoop at those who think we don't deserve to be there.

choirboy 23-02-2023 13:31

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Quote from FA Laws of the Game, Rule1:
“Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off.”
In my honest opinion James Trafford’s ‘wipe out’ of Coyle last night clearly broke this law.:eek:

Twenty Eight 23-02-2023 14:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by choirboy (Post 1271221)
Have you seen the latest film release?:lamer:
Could have been nominated for a BAFTA award?


“WIPE OUT!” Starring…..James Trafford!:s_fart:

Firstly, I hope that Liam Coyle is ok and makes a speedy recovery from the assault that he suffered during the match.

Secondly, the referee was wrong to only give Trafford a Yellow Card. I have never seen a more blatant Red Card situation before!

The detail;
a) Coyle was always going to be first to the high ball.
b) Coyle had a run and leap to get high above the more static Bolton defender.
c) Trafford accelerated towards the incident and clearly had time to assess and decide what he was going to do.
d) Trafford decided to ‘Wipe Out’ both players knowing that he was committing a professional foul.
e) The Bolton defender hardly got off the ground so Trafford’s challenge did not pose too much danger to him.
f) Coyle was high above the ground having made a great leap in trying to head the ball.
g) Trafford’s action caused Coyle to cartwheel and fall head and upper body towards the ground first.
h) Trafford’s action was endangering the safety of Liam Coyle and caused his injury.

The only option open for the referee should have been to have given Trafford a straight RED CARD!

I always stand behind the right hand side of the Clayton End goal in line with the six yard box. Trafford started his run right in front of me and I was seeing exactly the same view as he was. As soon as he started his acceleration, I said to myself, ‘Trafford is never going to get there!’
The referee simply got it wrong!


TRAFFORD SHOULD HAVE BEEN SENT OFF…..

Just to repeat….I hope that Coyle recovers well.

Anyone have a link to the incident ?
Want to see it from a camera angle ........ rather than what I saw first hand.

Exile on Spencer St 23-02-2023 15:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1271234)
Anyone have a link to the incident ?
Want to see it from a camera angle ........ rather than what I saw first hand.

Interestingly, the “highlights” on the Stanley web show McConville’s “tackle” at various angles.
But there’s no replay of Trafford’s “tackle”.
Sign into the Stanley web site, click on iFollow then look for last night’s highlights (or the entire match if you have the time and stomach for it).

choirboy 23-02-2023 16:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1271234)
Anyone have a link to the incident ?
Want to see it from a camera angle ........ rather than what I saw first hand.

I am only going off what I saw. Still images can give a false impression I feel. Although as you suggest it would be interesting to see the incident from different angles as videos.:s_cool:

anmc 23-02-2023 16:37

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I agree that there seems to be an element of bias toward Stanley, see the fine for failure to control the crowd in the earlier game against Bolton. By implication this was for homophobic language, what , this has never happened at any other ground only ours? Additionally the reports about a murderer getting sentenced almost make it sound like he's a player of ours rather than a guy who appeared in an old advert!

Exile on Spencer St 23-02-2023 19:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by anmc (Post 1271240)
I agree that there seems to be an element of bias toward Stanley, see the fine for failure to control the crowd in the earlier game against Bolton….!

So don’t be surprised if Stanley get another fine for Bolton fans behaviour last night.

Morecambe_Red 23-02-2023 22:03

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The Bolton fans are horrendous. We have them a week on Saturday and after the problems last year the game has been changed to a 12-30 ko.
They invaded the pitch here at The Mazuma and turned a disabled man out of his shop-rider among other things.

When the lock-down was on in 2020/21 and no fans allowed in grounds , hundreds of them travelled illegally to Morecambe and stood on the land by the road only for Evatt and his team to reward them by coming across and applauding them !

Be nice to see them miss out on promotion.

Exile on Spencer St 24-02-2023 07:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Morecambe_Red (Post 1271244)
The Bolton fans are horrendous.
Be nice to see them miss out on promotion.

Tbh, if both Stanley and Morecambe were to stay in L1, I’d rather see Bolton promoted so we never have to host that bunch of yobs again.

Twenty Eight 24-02-2023 09:07

Re: Bolton Post Match
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by choirboy (Post 1271237)
I am only going off what I saw. Still images can give a false impression I feel. Although as you suggest it would be interesting to see the incident from different angles as videos.:s_cool:

There's a clip doing the rounds on Twitter that a fan has put up. Hearing that Liam has "multiple facial fractures" - not good.

MikeA 24-02-2023 09:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1271246)
There's a clip doing the rounds on Twitter that a fan has put up. Hearing that Liam has "multiple facial fractures" - not good.

This is what the club has posted on Twitter:
Coley has confirmed that@LiamCoyle_99 suffered multiple facial fractures and will be monitored by the #asfc medical staff over the next couple of days. Everyone at the club wishes Liam a safe and successful recovery.

MikeA 24-02-2023 10:06

Re: Bolton Post Match
 
Club statement about 'incidents' at the end of the match:
https://www.accringtonstanley.co.uk/...ton-wanderers/

choirboy 24-02-2023 10:07

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Seems like my evaluation of Trafford’s dangerous challenge was correct and also my assessment of the failure of the referee to apply FA Laws Rule 1……….
Quote my earlier post……

Robert Mitchell
In my honest opinion James Trafford used “excessive force” in wiping out Coyle last night. Which is a Red Card offence according to FA Laws of the Game, Rule 1. Quote. “Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off“.

There should be a retrospective disciplinary action to ban Trafford and to consider the referee’s failure to apply the Laws of the game. Shocking, but nothing will change……..this referee will be officiating at a League match somewhere on Saturday no doubt!:idunno:

Get fit soon Liam. Best wishes.:wub8:

choirboy 24-02-2023 10:22

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Tommy Leigh has been ‘Retrospectively Cited’ for the relatively mild use of an elbow. Compare that with the excessive force used by James Trafford on Liam Coyle which was far far worse IMHO! If Tommy Leigh get as a three match ban then Trafford should be banned for a much larger number of matches.:mad:

Twenty Eight 24-02-2023 10:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by choirboy (Post 1271252)
Tommy Leigh has been ‘Retrospectively Cited’ for the relatively mild use of an elbow. Compare that with the excessive force used by James Trafford on Liam Coyle which was far far worse IMHO! If Tommy Leigh get as a three match ban then Trafford should be banned for a much larger number of matches.:mad:

Problem is that ref didn't see the Leigh incident therefore retrospective punishment can be given out.

No recourse for Trafford because ref saw it and booked him.

Exile on Spencer St 24-02-2023 11:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeA (Post 1271250)
Club statement about 'incidents' at the end of the match:
https://www.accringtonstanley.co.uk/...ton-wanderers/

We’ve had several (almost) full houses this season, with very passionate and vociferous fans, from much ‘bigger’ clubs.
But none other Bolton showed such thuggish and infantile behaviour.

Should we ever have the ‘pleasure’ of hosting Bolton again I’d be happy if the club limited their tickets to the absolute minimum*, confined them to the Coppice Terrace (except for a few spaces and seats for less able), and took a hit on the gate receipts. I’d even be willing to chip in a fiver to offset the loss.
Who needs a house full of morons?
If that’s how they behave when they’ve won….?

* even @ 10%, 500 Bolton fans could be too many.

anmc 24-02-2023 18:46

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So a load of yobs can go to someone else's ground, cause trouble and it's not their fault? Do stadium bans still stand for entering the playing area?

anmc 24-02-2023 18:47

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Bolton boss thinks even the yellow card was harsh, words fail me!


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